Great review. Just wanted to add the the pedal set does not use pots but magnetic sensors (Hall). Yes they still use position to see how much we are breaking but its contactless. This is important because it should work without problems for longer. A well known issue with standart pots (like the ones in T3PA) is that because the components "grind" in each other to assert distance traveled in the pedal, after some time they usualy lose precision or even give wrong readings due to wear. This new sensor should fix that. Also the pedal set is sold seperatly (around 115 eur) so its a new option for people with thrustmaster pedals having this issue (instead of going to the load cell that is around 220 euro).
Well the biggest problem for me when choosing this wheel would be you cannot change the steering wheel with any other thrustmaster ecosystem wheel. it comes fixed.
Anybody serious or even semi serious about racing, I would recomend sticking with the t300 over this. More flexibility with the wheel rims and better more precise and more powerful ffb in general. The only thing the t248 package has over any of the t300 packages is the t3pm pedals and the little display. I would highly recommend going with T-LCM's in either case. The t300 is rated around 4nm of torque, 3.9 exactly I beleive and i think the t248 is around 3-3.2nm but even if they were identical in power, the dual belt drive system will be a lot smoother and more precise. For those reasons I think the t300 is the best base to build off of until you can afford to jump to fanatec dd pro or even a ts xw/pc racer. It's like comparing fanatec's csw v2.5 vs csl dd with boost kit, 8.7nm vs 8nm of torque but the fidelity and smoothness of the dd still makes it superior in the end.
you say that, but have you tried the t248? I saw many saying this, even before t248 was launched, but most of the ones that have tried it say it's much better than t150/tmx and is basically as t300 almost, even if its stull a hybrid. And it has better pedals than t300, plus its a bit cheaper. I really don't think that t300 is much smoother and more precise, you should try a t248. T300 is still great tho, and is the better choice if you buy 2nd hand as you can get it cheaper
@@THESHADOW97139 yeah nvm, the t300 is smoother even if t248 is smoother than t150. Also, t248 wheel moves considerably slower than both t300 and t150 sadly.
The problem wqith the pricing is the same problem with all technology atm. Super high demand, not enough FABs. The existing T-300 stock was cheaper and will remain so for a while. This wheel seems comparable in terms of power with the T300 however.
The pedals are NOT using potentiometers they are magnetic according to the advertisement. I have the same setup and they are very different than cheap potentiometers. And it seems like they fixed the slow wheel with the latest firmware.
I'm an happy user from an t300rs. I had an tmx pro before. I will say that I enjoy the t 300 rs 300% more. That force feedback is so strong and smooth. And when u het an thrust master wheel, please get an shifter. That will it make so much more fun
I've been happy with my T-LCM pedals, at the price point they are pretty good after adding a couple of small mods. But TM need to innovate throughout their whole range, they seem to just refit rather than retool their lines.
Most games don’t code for rear wheels. Same thing happens in ATS. You don’t feel trailer going over any bumps. Like say railway tracks. But good video. I got g29 wheel and pedals and TH8a shifter. My only issue is wheel is noisy I wish somebody would make force feed back gear shift and Pedals. So when rev engine. You feel pedal rumble some. Along with gear shift. Especially for truck sims like ATS.
3:05 You were talking about Logitech's wire routing system and stopped. It IS better than T268 as you can round up your excessive wires under your wheel and then plug it in your PC, whereas you need to tie your excessive wires somewhere outside. I don’t know why someone would change something that is working great?
I bought the T248 and it was great! BUT, the T300RS just feels much better. Going to return my T248 lol. The T3PM pedals were great though! Just placed an order for T-LCM’s lol 👌🏻
I’ve been using the t248 wheel for about a week and in my opinion it is no better than the Logitech 923 which I’ve used for about 6 months. It behaves similarly to the 923 only a tad bit stronger force feedback and it’s quieter. The wheel itself feels way cheaper. Plastic and overly clicky. The pedals might be slightly better. I’ll be returning it to Amazon and putting the money towards a fanatic DD Pro.
I’ve been using it for 5 months now. The shifters are loud. And the brake pedal is squeaky too now. Feels cheap. The silver “chrome” paint is already coming off. Since It’s my first wheel I can’t compare it to other wheels. I like it not love it. The price I think is high. Will sell it and get a better one in the future.
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Now the most important question. Does Thrustmaster already use some grease or everything is squeeking again like with their older wheels? I have the T300 GT and basically everything - wheel base and all pedals, everything started squeeking like after 1 or 2 weeks of use. Had to open everything (thus lost the warranty) and lubricate it myself. I am verry happy with the wheel, it works perfect, but this no-grease-issue was just awkward. And from my brief research/googling that time, I was definitely not the only one who had the "squeeky-piece".
I had to do the same. The gas and brake were very squeaky, and it was a little more work than expected to get to the hinges. Still a great wheel though, and ive never had any actual issues with it. Only other thing Id like to do is change out the fan for a quieter unit, but its still not overwhelming at the moment.
Really interested in the growth of the ThrustMaster catalogue but I must say that the nut that you swivel around for attaching the clamp is very easily broken, as the plastic will yield far before the threads or the nut, luckily the plastic sphere around the nut has stayed molded onto the nut and allows the clamp to still work. Otherwise you may have to find your own bolt.
THe T300 rs gt is a stone they layed in their own way imo. It is so good that it is some sort of stopping the sale of other wheels of them. The thing is, that the T300 firstly had an awesome engine and a tech that is in my case unbeatable. The amount of modifications you can do to it is so high, you can change everything. And you basicly dont even have to, because the stock powertrain is huge and the feeling is quiet good too. In my case i changed the Wheel due to an adapter, now i have a 350mm real car wheel. Im also about to change the engine and the gear in the case to some more powerful ones. This T248 is a shame, it has 1 cool feature which isnt even that relevant. and thats this small display. But by taking a look at it i have to say it reminds me on my g920 i had before. It was well made, but it was lacking Power, Had missfunktions, the shifter was to small, the pedals were to small too and the brakepedal was to hard. I sold it for nearly half the price i bought it even tho it was nearly new.
In the US, the T248 is currently on sale for 320, and the G29 is 264. While the better brakes alone might be worth the additional cost, I still went with the G29 because I have a drawer on my desk, and the Logitech mounting system will work while the thrust master's won't.
Seeing as I'm already in the TM ecosystem, I'm interested how their DD wheel is going to perform, and how much it will cost especially. At the end of the day, the only reason I bought the T248 was because the buttons on my T150 gave out after only a year and a half. So if TM doesn't do well on their DD stuff, or price it right (which given how they've been pricing things, let's be honest with ourselves), then I won't be buying it even if I am in their ecosystem. If the DD base is like $600 without a rim, I might as well just go get Fanatec stuff at this point
I expect the Thrustmaster DD base to possibly be even more expensive than that, but considering it's super easy to buy Thrustmaster stuff on special, I'd take that list pricing with a grain of salt, most people will be buying their wheels with minimum 30% off deals shortly after launch. Hell, even the latest F1 rim was on special only a few months after launch. Fanatec rims are also much more expensive than the Thrustmaster ones (before you even take the massive discounts into account), so they end up being fairly uncomparable anyway, Fanatec kind of sits in a far more premium pricing level in terms of end pricing in the real world.
@@bartonez123 I get ya. Definitely a lot to take into consideration at this point. I've not heard of people getting discounts like that on TM gear, but there's no reason why it wouldn't happen as far I can think lol I did just get a coupon through Humble for 20% off a T150 and another for 20% off a T248 that I'm giving away in my racing community along with some game keys and an iRacing 3month membership for a new iRacing account. Can only be used in the US tho which sucks. I can say this: if my T248 breaks in the same amount of time my T150 did, I'll never buy another TM product again
Why i chose the G29 over a T300, even though the feel was superior? Well, so many poeple kept having issues with the T300, i have seen numerous cases of reliability issues, while the G29 just did not seem to have any bad reviews. Going on it for the 5th year, and i have been thinking of swapping for a DD wheel some day. But this wheel... Just does it. Feels rigid, like i could toss it at a wall and it would survive. It actually fell down to the floor once and nothing happened. Maybe i will try the Thrustmaster some day, but the G29 just won't give me any reasons to throw it away
I wouldn't look into Thrustmaster's pricing too much, at least with comparison to Fanatec. RRP's are high, but it's easy to find on discount. My local store is selling them at 40% off. Because it's in basically every store, you can almost always find it on sale somewhere. The counter to that is the T300, T150 and even the Logitech stuff also has massive discounts, and I'd have a T300 over this any day.
Hi, you said that the main issue of this wheel is the lack of informations on the rear of the cars. I'm about to buy this wheel or a wheel in this range of price, coming from a Logitech driving force GT, will it disturb my sensation ? Or is it worth to buy a better wheel that gives informations on the rear? Thx for the video btw.
I got my local currys store to pricematch a website online and got it 2 weeks ago for £253. After around 30 mins of play it starts squeaking a bit. Not sure if it is a problem.
If you're in a country like mine where: 1. A used T248 is ~$200 2. A used T300 rs is ~$350 3. You only want to spend $200 on your beginner wheel. I think this is the best wheel you can get at that price point, nothing beats this here.
No Euro Truck Simulator ? The cable on the back off the pedals platform from the Logitech is braking between the pedals and the wall. This is why i have to buy a new steering wheel. On the Trusmaster is the cable cumming from the left or right side much better.
Hello i just placed an order for this wheel at 274 dollars. I am from India and i have no previous experience of force feedback wheels. I had a very cheap wheel with 270 degrees of rotation and 2 pedal set which i was using for a while in ETS 2. But now i will have a far more experience with the T248. Hope it will not disappoint me. 😊
I don’t know why they didn’t do something about the insanely loud paddle shifters. Every test unit they sent to RUclipsrs, they all said the same thing. “They are too loud”
@@randomcallsign this is the last question I promise, I've seen videos of Logitech wheels producing a "clunky" sound during the force feedback, did you experience these sounds on the t248?
The biggest problem with the CSL DD Pro wheel base on its own is it costs €599.99 that's over €200 over the price of the CSL DD with boost pack. I need a new pedal set and I was looking at the pedals that come with that wheel. But would I be better off getting the TLCM?. I need the pedals to use with my T300. At the moment I'm using my old CSR Elite pedals connected to a basherboards CPX adapter connected to my wheel but the brake pedal is after sinking forward and it's gotten very sensitive. By the waay those pedals you are reviewing here are not potentiometer. They're magnetic hal sensor.
I have the TLCM pedals which I bought to replace the standard ones that came with my T300RS GT and the TLCM's have made a huge difference, much better feel and balance all around. Much better experience on my main games of ACC, R3R and AMS2...setup was easy and fine tuning with the additional springs was easy.
It looks like it's a good choice for a newcomer on the driving/Simracing scene but yeah, pricing is too much considering that the T300rs is not much more expensive. My G25 is rocking 13 or so years on its back and still works great, if I had to choose on that budget a new wheel, definitely I'll go for a Logitech wheel or the T300rs. (Although, if I ever have to go for a new wheel, I'll go fanatec I guess).
@@zefloyd1 i love it, i had enough left over in the bank to purchase a stand to screw it into. If your not wanting to be a sim pro, this is more than fine. Im running it on assetto corsa, AC competionale, grid, grid legends, dirt 2.0 , i was on gt7 with i but wont play it now its become trashy pay to win. Dirt 5, and i am having a blast. More than enough for me. I might get the gear stick as flappy paddles are fine until you go round corners. I would not have purchased it a 300, but 250 price point is great.
Seems like a nice replacement of the T150 aimed simracers on budget. However, the "budget" part needs some work as it's cannibalised by older products - T150 itself and the T300 not being far off while being a much greater wheelbase, not to mention logitech fighting for that piece of market cake. It has straight gears for the gear ffb system from what I can see, so like good ol' G25 - it's noisy, as heard on vid. Materials wise it doesn't stand a chance against logitech's proven metal and leather as well. It's not terrible, as it seems it tries to fix problems of T150, but at the same time, it retains some of the problems of it, all it needs is a lower price.
@@Salutifer0usHe's speaking 100% fact. And it's not even a rare opinion. Logitech's notably lower power & gear only systems feel pretty damn ass by comparison. And the T3PM pedals are absolutely MILES beyond Logitech's. On that front it's not even close. Logi chose to spend that money on materials/build quality instead. 🤷 The T248 at its current $300 MSRP is basically THE deal in entry level sim racing setups. $50 more than the T150 Pro while kicking the shit out of it across the board, and utterly drop kicking the price competitive Logi competition unless you HIGHLY prioritize build quality/materials & aesthetics over all else.
I mean you could go for the T248 as your first wheel, then when TM makes a refresh (hopefully) of the TS-XW pedals/upgrades the base T3PAs to the newer T3PMs, or don't use the T3PAs included if TM does not do the former. You could upgrade the T248 base and wheel to the TS-XW P310 Mod, it's pretty worth it. Then, it would seem like a pretty sweeet upgrade path for me. Even better if TM releases a solid DD base, and that would be the next step for me as I don't have Fanatec shipping to my country. Dk about you all, but it seems sweet.
Seeing as I'm already in the TM ecosystem, I'm interested how their DD wheel is going to perform, and how much it will cost especially. At the end of the day, the only reason I bought the T248 was because the buttons on my T150 gave out after only a year and a half. So if TM doesn't do well on their DD stuff, or price it right (which given how they've been pricing things, let's be honest with ourselves), then I won't be buying it even if I am in their ecosystem. If the DD base is like $600 without a rim, I might as well just go get Fanatec stuff at this point
I'd buy neither. Get a T300 on sale instead. More powerful wheel, upgradability with rim choices. I think it has slightly worse pedals, but Thrustmaster pedals are never that great so the difference won't be huge.
I've a question guys.. Now where my kids are a liitle older I wanna try Sim racing again. I've a old T500rs.. I'm looking for a Sim rig and maybe a upgrade to my wheel. There are so many options today. It's crazy! The CSL DD looks nice with the boost kit. I am lost guys..
im really stuck between the g29 and the t248 in my country the g29 is 260 eu and the t248 is 272 eu I really like drifting but because i can not afford a t300rs i got to choose between these two so could anyone recommend which one is better?
I did have that steering wheel for about one week. Did start to rattle during steering. Design and quality are bad. The connectors are located in the worst place
Except Thrustmaster already said their product prices are going to go up... as did Fanatec. Current prices are all gonna change. Also, this wheel is far, far superior to anything Logitech makes. None of the wheels you compare it to have a LCD display on them that allow you to change settings on the fly and in game.
Good wheel but if u wanna use it for other systems " ps4 to xbox or Xbox to ps4 with the drive hub" don't get this wheel. It does not work on the drive hub.
The clamp is trash. It wouldn't grip (and the wheel slipped and all that) It's the same clamp as on the T150. Mine broke the 2nd time I set up the rig on my desk. Really...TRASH. Now I use a metric thread with a wing nut, which I fasten with a set of pliers.
I sent mine back after one day. Not because it was $400. I paid that to get it. But because it looked and felt like a toy. Paddles that are way too loud, pedals that has to be bolted down to something, Thrustmasters own website not serving up drivers. FFB is a little stronger but no more realistic. The rim a whack half wrapped POS.
@@randomcallsign Im asking because I own T300 and official Thrustmaster reply was that they dont support it (drivers) so I was kinda hoping they might change that with new wheel base. Oh well. Thanks
I don't think anybody does Sim racing on linux does it?It's such a small community compared with windows that its probably doesn't worth looking at in a company perspective. i thought about it a bit after setting eyes on the Steam Deck (and owning a g923 myself) that MAYBE,in the future and with future deck versions and as more people start buying it those companies will start looking at linux while people start using it docked as a computer or game console.
I just bought this wheel today as my first wheel ever and i would highly highly recommend not to buy it! When you turn to sharp there is a horrible vibration and coming out of corners the wheel doesn’t countersteer enough to keep you straight. It is so S***. And the worst part is it was $549 oz dollars!
Thank Goodness i was allowed to exchange my t248 for a t300 RS GT! The difference is night and day! The t300 is far more Quite. Far easier to handle and it rotates back much faster! After only 1 hour practise i’m within a tenth of my best pad time! Don’t buy t248 you will regret it!
Trust me gt7 will get much better as updates come, I’ve driven every version of the gt6 force feedback engine and it vastly vastly improved over each bigger update
PlayStation is shit. Not surprised your going through this this. Gt7 was the only EXCLUSIVE game on ps worth buying. So glad I waited. And so glad I didn’t buy gt7. Don’t buy it. It’s all hype. Even from famous RUclipsrs they all shill out for this game. Check out legit reviews. Gt7 sucks. If you want real sim racing. Go acc or iRacing. Gt7 is going to be pushed aside when forza 8 comes out. I guarantee. You want a good sim Cade, go forza 8. They won’t strip you for money.
You are 100% talking out your ass. The issues with GT7 have nothing to do with its driving and content. Sim racers that play iR and ACC all feel GT7 is as close to a sim as it needs to be, and if anything, is less forgiving than some. If you'd "check out the reviews" youd see people loving the game, and hating MTX/online only. You also cant compare to Forza because they havent even come CLOSE to realism yet, and the game is full of children who dont give a fuck about actual racing. Children like you. Despite SONYs flaws, GT7 is still a legendary game. Forza 8 might be a good game, but nerds like you that concentrate on XBOX vs PS vs PC will never understand any of it, because youll just get confused by your own bias, and spout off dumb shit like what you said above.
The T3PM's definitely don't use potentiometers lol. The "M" literally stands for "magnetic", as in 100% wear free Hall effect sensors. This also means they have lower latency & higher accuracy than the prior potentiometer using T3PA's.
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@@Jarek_iRek no
Those pedals are hall effect senor not potentiometer pedals
Great review. Just wanted to add the the pedal set does not use pots but magnetic sensors (Hall). Yes they still use position to see how much we are breaking but its contactless. This is important because it should work without problems for longer. A well known issue with standart pots (like the ones in T3PA) is that because the components "grind" in each other to assert distance traveled in the pedal, after some time they usualy lose precision or even give wrong readings due to wear. This new sensor should fix that. Also the pedal set is sold seperatly (around 115 eur) so its a new option for people with thrustmaster pedals having this issue (instead of going to the load cell that is around 220 euro).
Well the biggest problem for me when choosing this wheel would be you cannot change the steering wheel with any other thrustmaster ecosystem wheel. it comes fixed.
Thats what i wanted to know so thanks for this
Anybody serious or even semi serious about racing, I would recomend sticking with the t300 over this. More flexibility with the wheel rims and better more precise and more powerful ffb in general. The only thing the t248 package has over any of the t300 packages is the t3pm pedals and the little display. I would highly recommend going with T-LCM's in either case.
The t300 is rated around 4nm of torque, 3.9 exactly I beleive and i think the t248 is around 3-3.2nm but even if they were identical in power, the dual belt drive system will be a lot smoother and more precise. For those reasons I think the t300 is the best base to build off of until you can afford to jump to fanatec dd pro or even a ts xw/pc racer.
It's like comparing fanatec's csw v2.5 vs csl dd with boost kit, 8.7nm vs 8nm of torque but the fidelity and smoothness of the dd still makes it superior in the end.
you say that, but have you tried the t248? I saw many saying this, even before t248 was launched, but most of the ones that have tried it say it's much better than t150/tmx and is basically as t300 almost, even if its stull a hybrid. And it has better pedals than t300, plus its a bit cheaper.
I really don't think that t300 is much smoother and more precise, you should try a t248.
T300 is still great tho, and is the better choice if you buy 2nd hand as you can get it cheaper
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j The t300 is actually smoother...that's the only thing that bothered me.
The t248 is estimated at 3.5 nm
@@THESHADOW97139 yeah nvm, the t300 is smoother even if t248 is smoother than t150.
Also, t248 wheel moves considerably slower than both t300 and t150 sadly.
Spending £200 on a wheel add on that’s purely for aesthetic purposes does not make you a more serious sim racer… like at all.
Btw the T3PM’s are Hall effect sensors, not potentiometer
The problem wqith the pricing is the same problem with all technology atm. Super high demand, not enough FABs. The existing T-300 stock was cheaper and will remain so for a while. This wheel seems comparable in terms of power with the T300 however.
The pedals are NOT using potentiometers they are magnetic according to the advertisement. I have the same setup and they are very different than cheap potentiometers. And it seems like they fixed the slow wheel with the latest firmware.
I'm an happy user from an t300rs. I had an tmx pro before. I will say that I enjoy the t 300 rs 300% more. That force feedback is so strong and smooth. And when u het an thrust master wheel, please get an shifter. That will it make so much more fun
yeah same i love my t300rs. just recently put a 13" wheel on it for drifting and its amazing
@@boo7948 did u loose some ffb from the wheel now there is a bigger wheel on it?
Do u use the normal pedals?
@@tm-rf5nw jes
@@dylandetaeye how r they?
I've been happy with my T-LCM pedals, at the price point they are pretty good after adding a couple of small mods.
But TM need to innovate throughout their whole range, they seem to just refit rather than retool their lines.
Most games don’t code for rear wheels. Same thing happens in ATS. You don’t feel trailer going over any bumps. Like say railway tracks. But good video. I got g29 wheel and pedals and TH8a shifter. My only issue is wheel is noisy
I wish somebody would make force feed back gear shift and Pedals. So when rev engine. You feel pedal rumble some. Along with gear shift. Especially for truck sims like ATS.
3:05 You were talking about Logitech's wire routing system and stopped. It IS better than T268 as you can round up your excessive wires under your wheel and then plug it in your PC, whereas you need to tie your excessive wires somewhere outside. I don’t know why someone would change something that is working great?
I bought the T248 and it was great! BUT, the T300RS just feels much better. Going to return my T248 lol. The T3PM pedals were great though! Just placed an order for T-LCM’s lol 👌🏻
I’ve been using the t248 wheel for about a week and in my opinion it is no better than the Logitech 923 which I’ve used for about 6 months. It behaves similarly to the 923 only a tad bit stronger force feedback and it’s quieter. The wheel itself feels way cheaper. Plastic and overly clicky. The pedals might be slightly better. I’ll be returning it to Amazon and putting the money towards a fanatic DD Pro.
@@Sideways_Singhit’s not a big enough difference imo especially for the price point. If I didn’t have a 923 then maybe.
I'd advise u to NOT. The pedals are overly loud
I’ve been using it for 5 months now. The shifters are loud. And the brake pedal is squeaky too now. Feels cheap. The silver “chrome” paint is already coming off. Since It’s my first wheel I can’t compare it to other wheels. I like it not love it. The price I think is high. Will sell it and get a better one in the future.
Now the most important question. Does Thrustmaster already use some grease or everything is squeeking again like with their older wheels? I have the T300 GT and basically everything - wheel base and all pedals, everything started squeeking like after 1 or 2 weeks of use. Had to open everything (thus lost the warranty) and lubricate it myself. I am verry happy with the wheel, it works perfect, but this no-grease-issue was just awkward. And from my brief research/googling that time, I was definitely not the only one who had the "squeeky-piece".
I had to do the same. The gas and brake were very squeaky, and it was a little more work than expected to get to the hinges. Still a great wheel though, and ive never had any actual issues with it. Only other thing Id like to do is change out the fan for a quieter unit, but its still not overwhelming at the moment.
Putting A piece of paper behind the paddal shifters fixes the noise
Really interested in the growth of the ThrustMaster catalogue but I must say that the nut that you swivel around for attaching the clamp is very easily broken, as the plastic will yield far before the threads or the nut, luckily the plastic sphere around the nut has stayed molded onto the nut and allows the clamp to still work. Otherwise you may have to find your own bolt.
THe T300 rs gt is a stone they layed in their own way imo. It is so good that it is some sort of stopping the sale of other wheels of them.
The thing is, that the T300 firstly had an awesome engine and a tech that is in my case unbeatable. The amount of modifications you can do to it is so high, you can change everything. And you basicly dont even have to, because the stock powertrain is huge and the feeling is quiet good too.
In my case i changed the Wheel due to an adapter, now i have a 350mm real car wheel. Im also about to change the engine and the gear in the case to some more powerful ones.
This T248 is a shame, it has 1 cool feature which isnt even that relevant. and thats this small display.
But by taking a look at it i have to say it reminds me on my g920 i had before. It was well made, but it was lacking Power, Had missfunktions, the shifter was to small, the pedals were to small too and the brakepedal was to hard. I sold it for nearly half the price i bought it even tho it was nearly new.
In the US, the T248 is currently on sale for 320, and the G29 is 264. While the better brakes alone might be worth the additional cost, I still went with the G29 because I have a drawer on my desk, and the Logitech mounting system will work while the thrust master's won't.
Wish I saw that sale price. I can't find it for less then 399.
Seeing as I'm already in the TM ecosystem, I'm interested how their DD wheel is going to perform, and how much it will cost especially. At the end of the day, the only reason I bought the T248 was because the buttons on my T150 gave out after only a year and a half. So if TM doesn't do well on their DD stuff, or price it right (which given how they've been pricing things, let's be honest with ourselves), then I won't be buying it even if I am in their ecosystem. If the DD base is like $600 without a rim, I might as well just go get Fanatec stuff at this point
I expect the Thrustmaster DD base to possibly be even more expensive than that, but considering it's super easy to buy Thrustmaster stuff on special, I'd take that list pricing with a grain of salt, most people will be buying their wheels with minimum 30% off deals shortly after launch. Hell, even the latest F1 rim was on special only a few months after launch. Fanatec rims are also much more expensive than the Thrustmaster ones (before you even take the massive discounts into account), so they end up being fairly uncomparable anyway, Fanatec kind of sits in a far more premium pricing level in terms of end pricing in the real world.
@@bartonez123 I get ya. Definitely a lot to take into consideration at this point. I've not heard of people getting discounts like that on TM gear, but there's no reason why it wouldn't happen as far I can think lol I did just get a coupon through Humble for 20% off a T150 and another for 20% off a T248 that I'm giving away in my racing community along with some game keys and an iRacing 3month membership for a new iRacing account. Can only be used in the US tho which sucks. I can say this: if my T248 breaks in the same amount of time my T150 did, I'll never buy another TM product again
Why i chose the G29 over a T300, even though the feel was superior? Well, so many poeple kept having issues with the T300, i have seen numerous cases of reliability issues, while the G29 just did not seem to have any bad reviews. Going on it for the 5th year, and i have been thinking of swapping for a DD wheel some day. But this wheel... Just does it. Feels rigid, like i could toss it at a wall and it would survive. It actually fell down to the floor once and nothing happened. Maybe i will try the Thrustmaster some day, but the G29 just won't give me any reasons to throw it away
Do you think it’s worth of getting the 3TPM’s instead of the TLCM pedals?
I wouldn't look into Thrustmaster's pricing too much, at least with comparison to Fanatec. RRP's are high, but it's easy to find on discount. My local store is selling them at 40% off. Because it's in basically every store, you can almost always find it on sale somewhere. The counter to that is the T300, T150 and even the Logitech stuff also has massive discounts, and I'd have a T300 over this any day.
Hi, you said that the main issue of this wheel is the lack of informations on the rear of the cars.
I'm about to buy this wheel or a wheel in this range of price, coming from a Logitech driving force GT, will it disturb my sensation ?
Or is it worth to buy a better wheel that gives informations on the rear?
Thx for the video btw.
I got my local currys store to pricematch a website online and got it 2 weeks ago for £253. After around 30 mins of play it starts squeaking a bit. Not sure if it is a problem.
If you're in a country like mine where:
1. A used T248 is ~$200
2. A used T300 rs is ~$350
3. You only want to spend $200 on your beginner wheel.
I think this is the best wheel you can get at that price point, nothing beats this here.
The wheelbase has a hexagonal shape, and the next DD base would have the similiar shape
No Euro Truck Simulator ?
The cable on the back off the pedals platform from the Logitech is braking between the pedals and the wall.
This is why i have to buy a new steering wheel. On the Trusmaster is the cable cumming from the left or right side much better.
Hello i just placed an order for this wheel at 274 dollars. I am from India and i have no previous experience of force feedback wheels. I had a very cheap wheel with 270 degrees of rotation and 2 pedal set which i was using for a while in ETS 2. But now i will have a far more experience with the T248. Hope it will not disappoint me. 😊
Hello I bought the same for 200 dollars hoping it would come soon I am so excited best of luck
T300 is a affordable good wheel. Give it a Shot
I don’t know why they didn’t do something about the insanely loud paddle shifters. Every test unit they sent to RUclipsrs, they all said the same thing. “They are too loud”
Do not buy a high-end steering wheel .... this situation is ridiculous, any magnetic paddle makes noise
@@THESHADOW97139 not true. There are plenty of high end wheels with magnetic paddles that aren’t insanely loud
Rather have loud shifters over a loud wheel in general (Logitech)
Did u ubdate the software on this i have the 1.77v and dont want to ubdate to 2.0v i hade one t300 bricked on me
Does the wheel create any of those loud clicking sounds similar to the logtech wheels, or is it quiet?
They are about as noisy as each other
@@randomcallsign then what would you choose, the g923 or the t248?
G923 for the wheel, t248 for the pedals.
@@randomcallsign thanks for the quick replies btw, I really do appreciate it :)
@@randomcallsign this is the last question I promise, I've seen videos of Logitech wheels producing a "clunky" sound during the force feedback, did you experience these sounds on the t248?
I bought this today at 179 GBP. Was this a good choice?
The biggest problem with the CSL DD Pro wheel base on its own is it costs €599.99 that's over €200 over the price of the CSL DD with boost pack.
I need a new pedal set and I was looking at the pedals that come with that wheel. But would I be better off getting the TLCM?. I need the pedals to use with my T300.
At the moment I'm using my old CSR Elite pedals connected to a basherboards CPX adapter connected to my wheel but the brake pedal is after sinking forward and it's gotten very sensitive.
By the waay those pedals you are reviewing here are not potentiometer. They're magnetic hal sensor.
I have the TLCM pedals which I bought to replace the standard ones that came with my T300RS GT and the TLCM's have made a huge difference, much better feel and balance all around. Much better experience on my main games of ACC, R3R and AMS2...setup was easy and fine tuning with the additional springs was easy.
csl lc
It looks like it's a good choice for a newcomer on the driving/Simracing scene but yeah, pricing is too much considering that the T300rs is not much more expensive.
My G25 is rocking 13 or so years on its back and still works great, if I had to choose on that budget a new wheel, definitely I'll go for a Logitech wheel or the T300rs.
(Although, if I ever have to go for a new wheel, I'll go fanatec I guess).
Picked one up for 280€ today
Its fecking amazing 😍
In uk on amazon its £248, £328.94 (as of todays currency conversion)
Do you think it’s worth at this price?
@@zefloyd1 i love it, i had enough left over in the bank to purchase a stand to screw it into. If your not wanting to be a sim pro, this is more than fine. Im running it on assetto corsa, AC competionale, grid, grid legends, dirt 2.0 , i was on gt7 with i but wont play it now its become trashy pay to win. Dirt 5, and i am having a blast. More than enough for me. I might get the gear stick as flappy paddles are fine until you go round corners. I would not have purchased it a 300, but 250 price point is great.
only watched because you didnt clickbait, doing my part
Seems like a nice replacement of the T150 aimed simracers on budget. However, the "budget" part needs some work as it's cannibalised by older products - T150 itself and the T300 not being far off while being a much greater wheelbase, not to mention logitech fighting for that piece of market cake.
It has straight gears for the gear ffb system from what I can see, so like good ol' G25 - it's noisy, as heard on vid. Materials wise it doesn't stand a chance against logitech's proven metal and leather as well.
It's not terrible, as it seems it tries to fix problems of T150, but at the same time, it retains some of the problems of it, all it needs is a lower price.
Man, G923 is nowhere near the T248 in terms of FFB and pedals.
@@marcobanderas3306 haha
@@Salutifer0usHe's speaking 100% fact. And it's not even a rare opinion. Logitech's notably lower power & gear only systems feel pretty damn ass by comparison. And the T3PM pedals are absolutely MILES beyond Logitech's. On that front it's not even close. Logi chose to spend that money on materials/build quality instead. 🤷
The T248 at its current $300 MSRP is basically THE deal in entry level sim racing setups. $50 more than the T150 Pro while kicking the shit out of it across the board, and utterly drop kicking the price competitive Logi competition unless you HIGHLY prioritize build quality/materials & aesthetics over all else.
I mean you could go for the T248 as your first wheel, then when TM makes a refresh (hopefully) of the TS-XW pedals/upgrades the base T3PAs to the newer T3PMs, or don't use the T3PAs included if TM does not do the former. You could upgrade the T248 base and wheel to the TS-XW P310 Mod, it's pretty worth it. Then, it would seem like a pretty sweeet upgrade path for me. Even better if TM releases a solid DD base, and that would be the next step for me as I don't have Fanatec shipping to my country. Dk about you all, but it seems sweet.
Seeing as I'm already in the TM ecosystem, I'm interested how their DD wheel is going to perform, and how much it will cost especially. At the end of the day, the only reason I bought the T248 was because the buttons on my T150 gave out after only a year and a half. So if TM doesn't do well on their DD stuff, or price it right (which given how they've been pricing things, let's be honest with ourselves), then I won't be buying it even if I am in their ecosystem. If the DD base is like $600 without a rim, I might as well just go get Fanatec stuff at this point
I wonder if the T248 will overheat and break all the time like the T300...
Is it better than g920?
Depends
This is what I’m struggling with, I really can’t choose between the two but don’t want (and not able to) spend more than £300
No not in any way.
I'd buy neither. Get a T300 on sale instead. More powerful wheel, upgradability with rim choices. I think it has slightly worse pedals, but Thrustmaster pedals are never that great so the difference won't be huge.
I bought it per 250€ in November 21, best deal in my life
Is the cat included?
I've a question guys.. Now where my kids are a liitle older I wanna try Sim racing again. I've a old T500rs.. I'm looking for a Sim rig and maybe a upgrade to my wheel. There are so many options today. It's crazy! The CSL DD looks nice with the boost kit. I am lost guys..
The csl dd is nice. Check the reviews.
Had mine just over a month now and today its developed a clonking noise turning left over curbs not great build quality
Look at the flex in the pedals…
My third thrustmaster wheel just bit the dust. Bye forever thrustmaster it’s been…. Well…
im really stuck between the g29 and the t248 in my country the g29 is 260 eu and the t248 is 272 eu I really like drifting but because i can not afford a t300rs i got to choose between these two so could anyone recommend which one is better?
what did you end up getting?
@@drwhulikesyou nothing :D
I did have that steering wheel for about one week. Did start to rattle during steering. Design and quality are bad. The connectors are located in the worst place
Except Thrustmaster already said their product prices are going to go up... as did Fanatec. Current prices are all gonna change.
Also, this wheel is far, far superior to anything Logitech makes. None of the wheels you compare it to have a LCD display on them that allow you to change settings on the fly and in game.
this barely above 300€ now.
i Bought it for 200 euro and very happy with it 😀
Good wheel but if u wanna use it for other systems " ps4 to xbox or Xbox to ps4 with the drive hub" don't get this wheel. It does not work on the drive hub.
The clamp is trash. It wouldn't grip (and the wheel slipped and all that)
It's the same clamp as on the T150.
Mine broke the 2nd time I set up the rig on my desk.
Really...TRASH.
Now I use a metric thread with a wing nut, which I fasten with a set of pliers.
If you’re using Thrustmaster for anything other than a beginning set, you’re screwed.
I got the steering wheel for 50% discount so this the best I could do
I sent mine back after one day. Not because it was $400. I paid that to get it. But because it looked and felt like a toy. Paddles that are way too loud, pedals that has to be bolted down to something, Thrustmasters own website not serving up drivers. FFB is a little stronger but no more realistic. The rim a whack half wrapped POS.
Sh11t wheel , broke down in first hour after receiving it. Completely locked and won’t turn and makes ticking noise
E de facto caro mas justificado em parte pela qualidade dos pedais.
Looks like is was designed in the 80's. 🤣🤣🤣
t300rs or g923?
T300
its 350€ (including tax/tolls) here.
Better choice than logitech imo, even if logitech is more reliable long term from my experience.
It's actually £260. At no point have I seen this for anything more than £300.
Amazon, and a few stores. Values of course fluctuate.
Does it support Linux?
Linux runs in almost everything, but I think this wheel cannot run Linux. Doesnt have enough memory or likely a chipset that is not powerful enough.
@@randomcallsign Im asking because I own T300 and official Thrustmaster reply was that they dont support it (drivers) so I was kinda hoping they might change that with new wheel base. Oh well. Thanks
I don't think anybody does Sim racing on linux does it?It's such a small community compared with windows that its probably doesn't worth looking at in a company perspective. i thought about it a bit after setting eyes on the Steam Deck (and owning a g923 myself) that MAYBE,in the future and with future deck versions and as more people start buying it those companies will start looking at linux while people start using it docked as a computer or game console.
I just bought this wheel today as my first wheel ever and i would highly highly recommend not to buy it!
When you turn to sharp there is a horrible vibration and coming out of corners the wheel doesn’t countersteer enough to keep you straight. It is so S***. And the worst part is it was $549 oz dollars!
Thank Goodness i was allowed to exchange my t248 for a t300 RS GT!
The difference is night and day!
The t300 is far more Quite. Far easier to handle and it rotates back much faster!
After only 1 hour practise i’m within a tenth of my best pad time! Don’t buy t248 you will regret it!
Not a bad looking wheel but I'm sure it feels like a cheap plastic toy like every other tm wheel. Oh well, at least it's not another ferrari wheel
My t300rs 599XX is definitely not some "cheap plastic toy". Lol
I don’t think Thrustmaster is worth investing into.
The who do I buy?
I thought it was the hori wheel XD
Those racing gloves make me laugh. Like seriously? Your hands sweating that much?
Well, the T300 is actually better imo
My thrustmaster TLCM pedals pair well with my CSL elite tbh :) mix and match !
Fanatec is selling DD and they are revamping the T150 for 350Euros... I'll not buy Thrustmaster stock titles....
In India i got it for 166 dollars
Got it for 300. Dont be mad
400 bucks and it looks incredibly cheap and plasticky, the screen looks like it's from an early 2000 Hi-fi system.
Trust me gt7 will get much better as updates come, I’ve driven every version of the gt6 force feedback engine and it vastly vastly improved over each bigger update
Looks to cheap still enjoy using my g29
To me this wheel looks ugly. Like a cheap piece of plastic.
The permanently fixed rim is frankly hideous. Looks like a cheap kids toy.
The ymanaged to make thge wheel look uglier than the Fanatec DD GT..LMAO!
Still a toy...just more expensive. will likely FAIL.
I got a shit setup
why cant they just make a t300 v2, no one really wants a gear driven wheel lets be honest.
If I were a betting man, Id say TX is waiting for the DD wheel to be released and then they would do a V2 with the new QR system.
SO true
this tacho/gear display is such a gimmick, who's going to need it anyway? no-hud gamers maybe
seems like a waste to put it in a budget quality set
On top of that, it´s quite ugly. It looks more like a cheap toy.
PlayStation is shit. Not surprised your going through this this. Gt7 was the only EXCLUSIVE game on ps worth buying. So glad I waited. And so glad I didn’t buy gt7. Don’t buy it. It’s all hype. Even from famous RUclipsrs they all shill out for this game.
Check out legit reviews. Gt7 sucks. If you want real sim racing. Go acc or iRacing. Gt7 is going to be pushed aside when forza 8 comes out. I guarantee. You want a good sim Cade, go forza 8. They won’t strip you for money.
Drop the ghanja
You are 100% talking out your ass. The issues with GT7 have nothing to do with its driving and content. Sim racers that play iR and ACC all feel GT7 is as close to a sim as it needs to be, and if anything, is less forgiving than some. If you'd "check out the reviews" youd see people loving the game, and hating MTX/online only. You also cant compare to Forza because they havent even come CLOSE to realism yet, and the game is full of children who dont give a fuck about actual racing. Children like you.
Despite SONYs flaws, GT7 is still a legendary game. Forza 8 might be a good game, but nerds like you that concentrate on XBOX vs PS vs PC will never understand any of it, because youll just get confused by your own bias, and spout off dumb shit like what you said above.
cool story bro
The T3PM's definitely don't use potentiometers lol. The "M" literally stands for "magnetic", as in 100% wear free Hall effect sensors. This also means they have lower latency & higher accuracy than the prior potentiometer using T3PA's.