NAMM 2023 - Realtime Audio - Real Time Portal
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024
- Real-time collaboration in music production has been a challenge for decades, but a new product unveiled at NAMM 2023 may change that. Taylor Robinson introduced us to The Real-time Portal, developed by Real-time Audio Solutions, which allows musicians to play together with ultra-low latency regardless of their location. The hardware is plug-and-play, allowing users to simply plug their class-compliant USB interface into the Real-time Portal and connect to their router. The app recognizes the hardware and enables users to play within a couple of minutes. The app works on phones, iPads, and browsers.
The Real-time Portal uses cutting-edge technology to compress large audio files and send them quickly over the internet through a UDP connection. The system also uses AI-powered routing to find the fastest routes between users based on ping time. The Real-time Portal does not have a delay compensation feature, but latency is kept low enough to jam, especially for distances up to a thousand miles.
$299 Real-time Portal Price: $299 which includes a one-year subscription to the app.
After that, the app subscription costs $10 per month.
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Thank you for taking us with you to NAMM. I really appreciate that you ask the important questions and don't just let the developers/salespeople talk :D
I hope we see a video from the Zynaptiq booth soon. I'm really interested in that Orange Vocoder.
Nick had ALL the right questions to ask here, and Taylor had all the answers! Cool product.
During the pandemic many friends of mine were using an app called Jamulus to do this kind of thing with live audio streaming. Also, they used separate apps to get a video feed at the same time. You did not require any hardware or subscription to do this, it was free. Some people have their own servers that they run a group with. But there were other music groups that you could join that were there for all created by the people who own the app. Interested in peoples thoughts. Maybe this is far superior to this approach. It was pretty good and in stereo. Sometimes latency could be a problem depending on distance and connection. Occasionally, you might get glitches. This particular Sister would have to be superior to that in every way to justify its cost.
Yep.. A $299 box, with a "FREE" 1 year sub... $10 US per month , there after...
Sometimes ease of use aint worth the money, especially when ease of use requires a dongle.
Sure, it is what it is, but so are also the FREE options.
Jamulus was great during Covid.
Jamulus and others were fun to play around with, but the latency made it non-workable for me. They did not really work, not like this is shown to work. A box like this, if it performs as advertised, could easily be worth it for many professionals collaborating over distance. The money and time saved by travelling will quickly justify the price.
Zoom and Audio Hijack works really well using Logic Pro - with the built in MIDI over Internet available in all Macs. If you can get by without video, Apple’s/Logic’s AUNetSend And AUNetRecieve works great for low latency audio over Internet.
Definitely very interesting. I imagine a network of social media streaming musicians (thinking reddit, twitch) suddenly doing surprise live jams together.
I still can't wrap my head arounds this. First I was thinkin a spin off on the Dante tech. Could be related. I also thought there would be some kind of delay compensation or realtime time alighnment....and Taylor said, "There is not" ....Mind Blown.
That was the best part, in my opinion. Take the signal, do crazy quick data compress, find the fastest path to the other one, send it and play it. I don't want the computer to mess around with timing.
@@KeithGroover Agree, that's why my mind was blown. Amazing!
Latency on UK broadband lines varies so much. It'd be great if it did work but much depends on the BB backbone and loading, many fibre to box circuits are already overloaded
Looks very similar to Elk Live, which has been around for a year or so. It's awesome to see more competitors and advances being made in this field!
That’s amazing!
Is this the 'Holy Grail'? If so, then this is by far the biggest thing of the decade!
its not gonna work you dingus
@@DoesNotInhale do you know what "if so" means?
"If so" won't be til we have 12G, or maybe even 14G... quantum entanglement internet connections, then you could have predelay compensation...
"It seems like you always know what that guy will play next!"
"I do. His -2s cue feed goes into my left ear, and our combined 0ms live feed plays thru the monitors."
Farplay already works like this with 10-50ms latency .
Wish you would have asked if it can connect to daws so that you could collab beyond just jamming together
looks interesting!!!
Very cool.
The lowest latency remote mixing vst I've ever used is reapers reastream. Less than 10ms delay!!!
I'll wait for the open source version that's free.. 🤷🏻♂️
That has to be about the worst spokes person for a product I've ever seen. There is no way to make this work with the current state of internet, period. You can see this dude nervously lie through his teeth and stall for time pretending to not hear Sonicstate's questions. This is a scam for sure 100
'show us the hardware' ... shows nick the cardboard box again
@@env4n3 It's probably based on a raspberry pi and they probably don't have a finished injection molded case. So you show concept art instead. It's not like the guy was going to inspect the circuit board to see if all the resistors were in the correct place or something.
Actually it DOES work, and there's a bunch of companies doing this now - even without requiring hardware! e.g. "Elk Live", and JackTrip, to name the two main alternatives.
@@KeithGroover I did see an older model that looked very much like a raspberry pi'sh build.
I think it works and would definitely look at this and have a use case among musicians within 60-100 miles personally. What I am not thrilled with is the subscription model, yet I get why it exists. I think the spokesperson was fine. Having participated as an exhibitor - it is not an easy task. These are small companies and it is hard to expect slick salesmanship all the time and these rooms are loud! Definitely interested. I like the simplicity of their approach.
Trust me it’s not gonna be usable. Gimmick
So . . . why should we trust you?
@@KeithGroover If you have above a 90 IQ, and have ever made music or even fiddled with electronics, you would understand latency. If you had a few more IQ points than that maybe you'd even Google search average latencies from home to ISP. If you have actual functioning hemispheres you would do some basic math to see that on average and ideally a connection from home to ISP is about 40ms, add then the time of processing for this portal hardware + 40ms + the time to other users ISP + time to users home + time for their portal to process and then you'd probably figure out at that point that you are a moron with no critical thinking skills. Add other people to the mix with different connections, distances from other users and that isn't gonna be time compensated? You have to have played COD at least once in your simple life and might even know about tickrate. But of course you don't because you are a mouth breather. Go read a book, you are dumb, trust that.
@@KeithGroover because it’s reliant on the internet meathead. I can’t even play a game of warzone without lag.
Every body will have to be on a high speed network and other factors that this company can’t control.
So trust me it ain’t gonna work.
only gonna be usable for jamming , the lack of delay compensation sounds like a sync nightmare for daw's etc
@@env4n3 "hmm, it's got a 20ms delay." [nudges it to the left a bit] "WOW WHAT A NIGHTMARE THAT WAS!"