MPs fear Tories could face ‘wipeout’ at election
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- “There’s an interesting discussion among some MPs in Westminster about whether you could have a wipe out moment for the Tories.”
The Conservative Party could learn some lessons from foreign parties that have been wiped out, but Rachel Sylvester thinks this is unlikely in the UK.
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Bye bye the Tories goodbye the Tories Dictatorship
only to be replaced by another dictatorship that will be far far worse.
And may it never return
So you'd welcome countless people talking over the country and us footing the bill?
We need to clean the whole system, torues/labour etc
@@drd6416 How do you talk over a country? English language not your strong point?
TORIES GET IT OVER WITH, YOU ARE FINISHED!!! GENERAL ELECTION NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!!
Brown didn't, stop whinging and wait
he wont as long as he can fill his pockets he doesnt care. he knows he can drag it for as long as he wants till hes kicked out or he drags it to the last moment
@@farmerned6 typical Tory
@@farmerned6Tory apologist. Sunak wasn't elected; he doesn't have a mandate; the public don't want him; many Tories don't want him.
Sunak is squatting in Downing Street - he is time wasting.
You don't remember the last Labour government do you.
Look up what they did
The longer Sunak delays the more seats they will lose
Ha ha ! yes!
Agree
A correction to the title of this video: "The people hope the Tories could face wipeout at election."
Leave out the 'could'.
In psychology should would and could are basic ambivalence
@@agnosticevolutionist3567- Closely followed by those brExiter staples , probably , if and maybe .
"Rats leaving a sinking ship" How disrespectful to rats!
And sinking ships! The tories are something else!
@@multipl3 They are criminals.
Labour needed to set up rat traps to prevent anymore rats getting into their party.
@@TheSuperPsychoKiller Natalie Elphicke!
Zero seats ❤❤
Oh, I do hope so!
If you put YouGov's poll (Con 18%, Lab 48%) from yesterday into the Electoral Calculus calculator, Lab end up with 551 seats and Cons with 13. Hahahaha.
Try ticking the Tactical Voting Fraction option, with 30% for Labour voters, 45% for Lib Dem voters, and 60% for Green voters.
(These are plausible tactical voting percentages for progressive party supporters living in constituencies where their preferred party is less popular than another one.)
Problem is labour is tory just wearing red.
41% of people polled believe labour is divided and only 35 think its united the remaining 24% don't know (also from YouGov), so 8f most feel it's divided they can't have trust in a party that is at war wirh itself, like the tories are. So support for Labour will be reduced. Therefore with the undecided and tactical voter's the chances of labour winning big is marginal at best, the greater likely outcome will be hung, tory support is low however independant and other parties are attracting attention. If labour win this GE it will be their last too, as the alternatives will swell with former tory votes and some of the tactical and the decided voter's. Labour may win this time but it will also be their last victory.
@@HypocrisyLaidBare : No. 2024 Labour = 1997 New Labour. Starmer = Tony Blair.
@@HypocrisyLaidBare : No. There’s no chance of a hung parliament - not even if all the Reform Party supporters vote Conservative in election (which is extremely unlikely).
Why is Rishi dragging the inevitable result out, stop pretending things are going to improve if anything The Tories votes will decline as time goes on. We need an election now.
Why would he give up several months of pay?
@@tashalouise3392 He doesn't need it, the new school year in California starts mid/late August and the pending India trade deal is worth far more to Infosys than a few months MP pay.
It is ego
He wants to be able to say he was Prime minister for 2 years
@@larrygerry985 Bloody narcissists, the lot of them.
No more waiting!!! GENERAL ELECTION NOW NOW NOW!!!!!!
Sunak would actually be in a better position if he just acknowledged that the people now want a say and put country before party and called a GE. It wont save him but the longer he drags this out the worse it will be for the tories - the fact he is unelected and hanging on like this is infuriating the public.
No prime minister is ever elected. Only MPs are (and sunak is an elected MP).
But it is an interesting question. Does Sunak care about the Tory party? Or does he only care about himself? If it is the latter, he may stay in office as long as possible to enjoy the benefits.
He not even elected by his own party.
Get them out ! Election now !
Let's hope so what they've done to this country is a disgrace.
Just look up what the last Labour Party did 😂😂😂😂
Want another 2 years pay freeze to fix the economy they destroyed
@@jeffreyuprichard3754 Get real - you need to wise up on the Sub-prime mortgage debacle in the US that caused the crash, and how Gordon Brown saved the entire western banking system from total collapse. Where were you in 2008? What were you reading? Study your history Jeff. A few pointers: check out what Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan did in deregulating the banking and financial systems to enable them to operate freely in re-packaging customer loans and mortgages by slicing and dicing them into nice little money-earners for overpaid executives and easily boosting bank profits massively without creating anything other than eventual utter mayhem and chaos. Check out Milton Friedman and the Chicago boys and the concept of free-market fundamentalism. Those little loan and mortgage packages were simply a means of selling ordinary folk (as well as larger investors too obviously) bits of paper that were supposed to pay them back plus "guaranteed" interest (property based - what could possibly go wrong?!) They were rated in 3 categories: A, B & C. The poor suckers in the USA who bought over-valued properties and took out loans, only then to find they'd lost their jobs and couldn't pay back, lost everything and the domino effect kicked in. Both C and B rated packets became worthless as folks defaulted on their payments. This was nothing to do with the Labour Government, and everything to do with USA "Reaganomics" and Maggie Tory Thatcher free-market capitalism. Study Economics and History, and avoid right-wing media claptrap from the likes of the Daily Mail, the Torygraph, Sun and Express. Avoid GB bloody News too!! Good luck Jeffrey.....
Jeffrey usual crsp …. Wages under labour went up 16% in real terms , last 14 years they be gone up 1% …. As for the economy debt 3 times what it was and the country’s credit rating DOWNGRADED 4 times since 2014 …. But apart from that you make an excellent point 🤡
It began in the late 90's.
GB sadly seems to be in a terrible way
We are paying record levels of tax for the worst public services ever. Many people haven’t seen their GP in years and can’t access dental care. Time for change.
And people with mortgages are paying hundreds A MONTH more after Liz Truss’s utterly irresponsible uncosted “fiscal event”.
Don’t forget the interest on the debt
@@TheBonsaiGarden the housing market is so bad right now. Rents are really high and availability is so low.
But then you get dinosaur Labour...a busted flush.
@@chesterdonnelly1212tent's are still cheap..... cardboard is mostly free (from supermarket dumpsters)
The longer the Tories wait the worse that it is going to be for them. The electorate are angry, very angry.
I am beyond angry. My ears are bleeding listening to sunaks drivel
The Tories best chance is for Rishi to defect to Labour.
I think Kier would probably take him.
He will accept him for the LOLZ!
Send him back to California & let him try his luck with bringing in his families , Infosys digital currency there, cause we're not interested.
Of course.
Keep your friends close.
And your enemies closer.
And then that will be the end of the conservatives. Zero seats at the election.
Ha! Comment of the day 😂
Sounds bloody brilliant. Zero seats.
Like i said, they belong in a bygone age.
Prime example: Jacob Rees Mogg whose time was up at least 2 centuries ago.
Just get on with it, Wishi Washi is stalling, his party is falling his party is split and fractured even "hard" line Tory MP 's are leaving.
I want the Tories to finish with fewer seats than the LibDems.Then they will not even be the official opposition party,and will fade into insignificance.
That's NOT going to happen, enen reform will beat the libs
Your wish is mine. Reap what they sow
Last poll i saw gave the Tories 1 percent of the vote amoungst the 18-34 age group.This is a staggering situation for a serving government.
For God's sake Rishi, CALL THE ELECTION!.
Its laughable that during the last election certain types of people would wheel out the Dianne Abbott argument about how bad Labour would be in power, then they made Truss PM 😂😂😂😂
She's loving all these big tax cuts!
Exactly
So true
“ get out and don’t come back “ that song keeps going over and over in my head
Quadrophenia mad jimmy🤣 great album
Heh...what that one from The Who??? Yes...its a good one and very apt.
Have they ever considered doing their jobs?
How dare you suggest such a thing!
No they are too busy filling their pockets and touting themselves to Tory donors and friends looking for a new well paid job. So basically eff the country and the voters I'm more important.
I see so much discussion from this iteration of the Tory party about when the election should be to maximise THEIR own benefit and advantage.
Not a single word about What'd be best for this country or the people.
Fortunately the results will be terrible whenever he calls it ,the longer he leaves it the worse it will be
Of course. Party first, donors second, country third, people fourth.
The media are absolutely complicit in my eyes. They have enabled so much of this.
@@robinmcara793 : Yes. Labour need to regulate the media to stop it publishing misinformation.
@@robinmcara793spot on
Bring it on
Vote Tory Vote Labour. The establishment are working on divide and weaken (1 vote makes no difference). So millions don't vote. Get it? So millions, I am talking to you apathetic people, get off your butts and vote. Otherwise we'll have apathy and then DESPAIR!!!!
If you don’t vote, you can’t whine about the result.
@@TheBonsaiGardenThat’s a very Tory strategy. Vote Tory and then whine about it…
[Works for Corbynites as well]
Why do tories FEAR a wipe out? Are they that arrogant, they don't expect it?
Sadly, I think they are that deluded.
Keeping thinking it’s just Sunak. Just get rid of him and Tories will be fine. Keep thinking that 🤣😂🤣
The Tories are finally catching on. :)
Get out now, your finished
Zombie Government. 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Tories out Now !
If Vectron is merciful, we shall no longer have to abide by Michael Fabricant.
Here's hoping!
The Tories were finished after Partygate Justifiable anger from the Public.
Their parents must be so proud. 😂😂 not
It’ll be 1997 all over again. Only this time Labour aren’t riding a wave of optimism around a charismatic leader with a plan. Rather, people feel they’ve got no choice
I don't care either way. We need change so badly. These are criminal rip off merchants, bankrupt our country, pulled us away from our nearest neighbours, culture wars, criminalising benefit cheats whilst allowing their mates to steal PPE contracts and tax avoidance. I am sick of them. Why England votes for them god only knows
Blair was charismatic? I'm not sure about that.
This time there will be a lot of people voting Labour because they're sick of conservatives and aren't convinced by Reform who are mostly ex-coonservatives
Laughs in SNP, Green and Independents.
@@julianshepherd2038haha yeah no.
I disagree. People are beginning to recognise that what they believe is mostly down to the right wing mainstream media's representation of Labour over the years.
How long until the tories bring in PR?
They won't ever.
PR would basically guarantee they will never get complete power ever again, they would have to form coalitions which would mean they couldn't give public money to there mates which is the whole point.
Under PR they would only have been able to form a government twice since WW2, as it stands they have been in power most of the time.
They won't. The constituencies have been set up so that FPTP greatly benefits the conservatives. If we had PR then they'd only have won one election in the last 14 years
They won’t consider PR until they get reduced to being the 3rd largest party in Parliament, IMO.
They won't be bringing anything in for a long time
They already tried that in 2011 when they had to allow a vote on it to keep Clegg and the Lib Dums happy in the coalition. It was rejected by a huge margin by the electorate.
Times up for the Tories, The Republicans in the US and the Liberal Party in Australia. Not surprising given the mess they've made in their respective countries over the years.
Short memory there lad, Labour stuffed this country up pretty bad too and we are still feeling the repercussions from some of their decisions today. Conservatives are toast, and rightly so, but I can almost guarantee in 4 to 8 years we'll be saying exactly the same thing about Labour because they won't have addressed the same issues the Conservatives won't address and like the Conservatives, they are scared to death of social media and the centrist legacy media. They won't be able to affect change without causing a s**tstorm in one direction or the other and will therefore be paralysed - just like the Conservatives.
Conservatism is a zombie movement that causes disaster after disaster.
They can always switch sides to Labour… I believe one of them already has, no shame 😂😂😂😂
There's always some silent tories out there sadly.
I think they'll get less than 100 seats. I might even place a bet
50 to 99 seats 5/2 on Betfair 100 to 150 seats also 5/2
90-110, but you could be right.
If you put YouGov's poll (Con 18%, Lab 48%) from yesterday into the Electoral Calculus calculator, Lab end up with 551 seats and Cons with 13.
@@davidpearson243 I'm going for fewer than 50. What odds are they giving on that?
@@johnmartin7158 I think the 100 to 150 is a good bet (I don’t bet any more) as Basil Fawlty said “that particular avenue of pleasure has been closed off”
I have already placed my bet at the bookies that the seat allocation after the election will be Labour 560, Lib-Dems 40, Others 28, SNP 12, Tories 10.
I would revise upward your SNP figure! the SNP are down but not out by any means, many fail to appreciate how much Scottish independence influences Scottish votes.
Not happy about labpur getting in, but conservatives deserve a massive lesson! They wrecked this country. Immigration, crime, cost of living, health services etc... terrible!!!
Why is immigration top of your list???? We need immigrants. Please vote Reform and disappear like Farage
It's time to change the whole system. For starters, the 'divide and conquer' which has worked so well over the centuries could be countered by the left voting workers and the right voting reform. That would stir things up a bit.
They just waking up are they?
I hope the Tory party gets what they deserve, for what they have done to NHS, Schools, universities, and many more public sectors.
The country is going homeless, and hungrier by the day, and the Government is more concerned with funding the wars in Ukraine, and the Middle East.
The UK government once was on the humanity side and this is no longer the case, as we have seen the colour of the Tory and The Labour parties.
Could you give me an example of some of the equivalent behaviour of the Labour government? Because that's sounds like right wing gaslighting to me
Oh no…😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
I do hope so
Nice to see two political journalist titans Pienaar and Bolton working together at Times Radio
all the tories had to do was stop being tories and they wouldnt be so unpopular
AkA labour 2.0..
@@MDM1992 Yes. I'm sure they'd love to be as unpopular as Labour.
They stopped being Conservative and became lockdown loving high borrowing big state socialists which is why Conservatives aren't voting for them any more. The good news for you is most will never vote for them again.
They are nothing like tories. Therein lies the problem. To think Labour will do better is delusional.
Time for reform.
@@johndownes3841 Labour has only become popular due to the Tory collapse and by shifting to the centre-right (as opposed to centre-left). There are many issues now on which Labour is to the right of the LibDems. Even the editor of The Spectator (once edited by a certain Boris Johnson) now believes that the UK "has two Conservative parties".
WHO DO WE VOTE FOR . WHAT IS THE BESTPARTY FOR ENGLAND ??
Reform
Vote "i hereby revoke my implied consent to be governed" and stand your ground and get ready to fight for your homeland, your freedom, your culture, and your childrens futures.
@@breadringah yes.. vote reform to rock the boat! Never stop the boats, heavens no, tice wants net zero, 350000 plus a year minimum! 😂
Reform!
@@breadring Reform could not run a Council let alone a country.
No Tories No Labour
I hope rishi drags it out as long as possible, that way there will be absolutely nothing left of them
A hung Parliament? Honestly?? Rishi really believes this??? Pitiful.
Truly 😂
The only hope Sunak has is if the Reform Party decides not to contest Conservative held seats in the election (like the Brexit Party didn’t in 2019), and their supporters vote Tory instead. Even then, it’s a very long shot.
Sunak was never voted in
We wont have to put up with Tory rule until the late 2030's.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Two things wrong with the Tories (we can’t call them, “conservatives,” as they do not fit the definition of that word by any measure) are: 1, No one recognises them anymore. They have lurched so far to the right, they frighten decent people. 2, They don’t stand for ANYTHING. They have no clear policies and cannot agree internally about anything!
I honestly think they could have gotten away with their string of abject policy failures, biblical levels of corruption and fundamental incompetence had they been all singing from the same hymn sheet and not in the early stages of a civil war, which promises to be the most entertaining part of this story, post-election. Voters have never been all that moved by Tory corruption in the past.
But the Americanised radical rightism that has been used to so deliberately divide the voters and the belligerent language we’ve heard from the front benches; Cabinet ministers literally insulting more than half of the electorate with name calling, is just very un-British and has done more to alienate people than anything.
2 seats in Canada?....summing up that is 2 too many!
UK needs 'Bret-In' referendum.
Some day but not yet and besides the EU will not take the UK back for now because the UK cannot fulfill the criteria for joining.
The Tories had so many chances to deal with issues the public were
pointing out/emphasising needed addressing. Like our MP here in Ipswich, no notice was taken and they became arrogant, and lacked any enthusiasm/direction in their role.
Call an election and see what the public teally think
I speak for the people little rikki teally 🤔🤔😊
I cannot see why anybody, except the rich ,would vote for these clueless Tories.
The trouble is ..... Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
Brexit vote won so I think you are mistaken.
@kevinsmarts9953 Not really comparable is it ? most didn't know what they were voting for.
@@johnburrows3385 Sure, but at the time there were a lot of people referring to it as Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Who is Big Rupert going to throw his weight behind ? Remember The Sun does not like to back losers .
Sunak needs time to pack his bag for California. Oh, it needs time to sell his various houses.
love watching the tories trying to minimise the almost daily terrible news they are getting.
Elphick is NOT a centrist MP. Imagine if someone from the far left (such as there are many of them left) from Labour joined the Tories. This is a bad pairing.
DOESN'T MATTER ITS ONE IN THE EYE FOR SUNAK, PLUS SHE CANT STAND AT NEXT ELECTION
With the weak and incompetent all talk and no trousers Wishi Washi at the helm, a wipeout is indeed inevitable. 😵
2 simple rules for life;
No.1 - Never trust a tory
No.2 - Never forget rule number 1
The blame lies with Boris Johnson. He gamed his office and then nominated so many for honours
Fingers crossed!!
Worst PM ever even worse
Than Miss Truss
Delivered nothing except chaos and denial
The Conservatives have been in power to long and the polls reflect that.
*I wish we had single ring wing party in this country.*
Yep.. all this diversity and inclusion.. yet the majority has zero representation in their own lands.. what did they say over the pond? No taxation without representation.. 🤔 should probably all organise and refuse to pay income tax and grind the nation to a halt until we get our home back.
@@MDM1992 💯
lol that be funny
well, well, well.
Haha the system they wanted with first past the post is going to wipe them out. Too funny.
Sunak won’t care!
He’ll be off to the USA and we’ll have to suffer in the future.
The Tories "DO" face electoral wipeout 😂😂😂
Im sure Keir Starmer will let them all in to the Labour party.
Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
Oh dear how sad never mind.
Keyword; 'could'.
Key numbers: Labour = 48%. Conservative = 18%.
@@baltasarnoreno5973 Neither of which are fit to walk in my dog poo.
the longer they stay in power the more the wef are in control
And that will change under a Labour gov't?
@@stevebird7265take your chances and vote Tory then.
@@yuna-1971 I am voting Reform mate!
@@stevebird7265 of course, I guessed that. Apart from immigration, what else do you like about them. Bet you check their wiki page.
@@yuna-1971 Immigration is enough to win my vote!
He is waiting for the “Plan” to work
1 seat for the vermin party is 1 too many. Many of them should be in jail
Sunak is like that boxer after 10 rounds laying on his back on the canvas, cant see out of either eye, semi concious choking on his own blood exclaiming "It's not over till it's over!"
Not ALL MPs fear it though.
Sunak: The Labour gift that keeps on giving.....
Lemme see . Liz Truss was forced on the people. Sunak stabbed his college in the back and weasled his way into no10. Johnson was throwing parties whilst your relatives were dying alone. Matt Handcock stabbed his own family in the back and was boinking someone else's wife...whilst also keeping you away from dying loved ones. Oh but at least Sunak is (in his own words: 'financiay fortunate'. Make ya mark folks.
"fear a wipeout"?... Everyone with eyes can see it's a rock solid certainly. The only question is how low the turnout will be.
Good Riddance.
Who are these nonentities ?
Sunak is considered by the BJP to be Karma upon the British. I do not think they regard him as capable and Internationally who respects Rishi who likes "detailed model spaceships" Sunak, hello to nerd world type situation. He is a series of accidents leader due to first going Cameron, then May, Johnson,Truss, just a fluke accidental leader not voted in by anyone. Leading the Tories to a major defeat. With an 80 seat majority plus boundary changes estimated to be 90 seat majority, instead turning into a big defeat. If there was a vote of confidence by the public he simply would be gone. Mordant is their only hope for a hung Parliament type situation and she just refuses the challenge preferring opposition leader to being blamed for any defeat. The time is yet to come for Penny Mordant type attitude so putting herself first and party second.
IMO Penny Mordaunt will lose her Portsmouth seat in the election. So she’s not going to be the next Tory leader. Nor is Badenoch or Braverman.
@@timonsolus Unlikely big majority and well liked locally. Not an Edwina Currie figure or Michael Portillo type. Others not going to be so lucky as her.
I'm not sure whether Natalie Elphicke is a loose cannon. She might have been effective in promoting tory message.
If she's a savvy political operative, she might do the same for Starmer. Many politicians have no real values beyond vibes and grift.
What do you mean " they fear a wipeout " they might as well put money on it ( wouldn't fancy the odds though) 😂
Tories have wiped out the British economy 😢
Sweet.