I legit didn't even realize there was a road connecting Kakariko Village to Lanayru Mountain... I always traveled in straight lines and climbed over what ever was in my path
@@nayuki-rn i’ve played the game twice and the first time i followed the path and got the shrine and stuff, and the second time, i got to kakariko village and i was like, “where’s dueling peaks stable?” because i just climbed over everything lol
I believe a lot of the enemies "missing" from BOTW will be in #2 BECAUSE of Ganondorf's awakening. It would be an interesting way of explaining where the skulltulas (for ex.) were in #1.🤞I'm hoping.🤞
At 5:27 you say the water level has drastically increased. Maybe this has to do with Vah Ruta, who was already seen as the cause of floods, and is right next door, also being in the Lanayru region.
Since Nintendo officially stated that they started making Botw2 mostly because they had too many DLC Ideas. So I think we might get some deeper storylines.
I’m betting on (if there are classic dungeons) Lanayru Promenade being a dungeon. In the event that it is, the dungeon itself may be called the spiders nest or something. And Gohma gonna be the boss. Which excites me.
Maybe spiders actually used to live there but it's so long ago the spiders have already moved on. Or another version of Link came along and killed them all for a Skulltula Token.
What if... The age limit on the Spring of Wisdom was because it was intended to be the first spring a Spirit Maiden would visit? As in, Zelda never should’ve been forced to begin her training until after her 17th birthday. A child doesn’t have much to reflect on for “courage” or “power” same as “wisdom”. Her training actually stunted her from having any true life experiences since...she was so young and literally wasn’t allowed to have a life outside of it. (And literally every time a King’s involved he only hinders the current Zelda with his “King Knows Best” bullshit. I’m not even joking. It’s not subtle or surprising this would follow the same pattern, especially with the Silent Princess metaphor.)
I agree with you 100%! Where are all the videos or commentaries on how much shame and abuse that was heaped on the poor young Zelda. Im not a SWJ or a person who belives in safe space for the emotionally coddled & needy but damn, her story was totally brutal and made me wish Link would turn kingslayer to save her from that wrong headed bastard
@@1ManNamedDan He's meant to be her guardian. Sounds like someone should have guarded her from her father. It's a real shame her mother died early, and then her father wanted to do things exactly the same as they'd been done before. Even though everyone knows people don't usually fall for the exact same trick twice. It irked me when Rhoam is like "The people are belittling you". You know what you say when people belittle your daughter? You tell them to shut the fuck up. Parents, support your children.
Well, I've never known 17 year olds to be particularly wise or experienced. The 17 thing was just a plot convenience for the narrative. It was never practical.
@@SlyBizniz No that's not accurate, that demo was just made to show off what the upcoming Wii U console would be capable of. It was never intended to be developed into a game and had absolutely zero to do with BotW, which didn't even begin development until two years after the demo was made.
Maybe we'll see skulltulas in underground sections of BoTW2, that could definitely add to the dark atmosphere it's going for Hopefully their design is pretty terrifying
Yeah, I hope they add the Deku Baba's as well as like...large, viney, carnivorous plants. Think of a giant venus flytrap and its head is about the size of a kind size bed or a twin size bed. Oohh, that gives me some chills with the Skulltulas! Maybe even more plant based enemies like Peahats or Baku Babas (Wind Waker) can be seen in the underground!
all i hope for in BoTW2 is more structure, and harder puzzles. i found all my anticipation was taken away due to being able to brute force my way into any location i was interested by, rather than having to wait until something further was unlocked
I hope not. There's really no good reason to have spiders, and arachnophobia is very common. At the very least they should go back to the very unrealistic designs from OoT and MM
@@dawsonhelf7922 that could work, and mabe if Hyrule Castle is taken over again, we could see Darknuts, Iron Knuckles, and malice corrupted versions of the two
Alternatively, remember how the guardians went through a design phase where the devs chose between various many-legged designs including spider-like ones? Maybe this is where they would’ve lived if the spider design had been final?
I really hope we get more worldbuilding lore in the form of hyrule's history in the next breath of the wild game. The world is so mysterious and while it worked really well for BotW1, i want BotW2 to focus on relearning history and restoring the kingdom, as well as finally defeating ganondorf.
@@siriuslywastaken they can't they don't know about it and the king of demons is the one who put the gurse on link and the goddess hylia it's going to be hard to break it
@@siriuslywastaken Zelda is the goddess reincarnated for the goddess to put that info the goddess would have to put that information somewhere in skyloft because the goddess only shows up in skyward sword
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"Spider" could also refer to a Gohma that once resided there. We know Gohmas are largely based on arachnids, of which spiders are one. But some designs of Gohma are more spider-like than others, especially the ones in The Legend of Zelda and Twilight Princess.
Speaking of Lanayru's decree of age for the pilgrimage to the Shrine of Wisdom, I wonder if it has to do with being spiritually developed enough to see beings like Naydra. I also wonder if Link was able to see koroks and dragons before his 100 year sleep.
As Im playing BOTW, I was climbing in at area, opened my map and said, " I wish someone would explore into this or expand it in 2" and look what you did!
It is built as part of the Spring of Wisdom and also for the dragon to pass through. In Japanese and Chinese version of Zelda, the Lanayru Road is called "拉聂耳神道" or "ラネール参道" (Lanayru Sandō ), it means a road to a spiritual place, also means a path for the spirits.
They are from the Era before Skyward Sword. Perhaps a City for the Ancient Sheikah ? The "spiders" ? It's Japanese name is ラネール参道中央広場 (Ranēru Sandō Chūō Hiroba) "Lanayru Shrine Road Central Plaza" So, the idea of an ancient city is not farfeitched.
The era before? Do you mean before Hylia lifted the people off the ground? Even then I couldn't see it being before SS because of the Loftwings in the pillars, meaning that Skyward Sword would have had to have happened in order for them to add those to the reliefs on the pillars :0 I... Think so, anyways
@@nonoctoro4933 ah, I was just under the impression they weren't important until then since they're such an airborn species it seems like they'd thrive/evolve up there and not on the ground
Remember the giant spider boss in the first trailer for Breath of the Wild? Maybe Spider Nest Mountain was going to be filled with skultulas and then you would find an old room or building where the giant spider is located
You and Zeltik are my favorite zelda content creators when it comes to this stuff because you both make the history and lore of the series so much more awesome than it already is :)
Another theory suggests that the name is a reference to the BOTW demo at E3 2011. In this demo Link fights a 3D Gohma boss fight, this may be where Gohma was supposed to be implemented before it was scrapped. This may be false due to the MASSIVE time difference; however, it’s been proven this was the precursor to BOTW.
It's crazy how much history and story info you have for breath of the wild it makes you look at the game in a different way not just a game. Breath of the wild is the 1st zelda I ever played I have to say it was worth it.
imo, I think you've got part of it wrong. If it was dubbed spiders nest road, and built during the same time as the forgotten temple, I think it makes more sense that the developers originally were going to have the forgotten temple in that area, but because it's a fairly early game area, it didn't make sense to have it infested with guardians. My first thought when hearing the description of the forgotten temple was "how could it have been forgotten? it's so central" so it would make sense that they initially wanted it to be farther away and behind mountains. Great video though!
Everytime i see people connect SS to BotW, im reminded of the tree on the Great Plateau in BotW with the root tunnel that smaller scale parallels the tree with the root tunnel in SS
That was very interesting, thank you for taking the time to do this. I have the book but the print is so small I get annoyed after reading it for very long. Thanks again.
For those of you who don't know, the first game in the zelda timeline, Skyward Sword, which is the game where hyrule is created, was where the Forgotten Temple was originally created. But, the real name for the temple was the Temple of Hylia, or the Sealed Temple. This temple is so old, that it has been buried by rocks and boulders. But why is the tree on the eall there? Let me tell you why. In Skyward Sword, when you are in the Lanayru Desert province, the Thunder Dragon is dead. To reverse this, you had to go back in time to where he was sick. He tells you that his tree of life isn't growing any fruit that gives you life. To do this, you have to take its seed and take it back to the Sealed Temple in the past. When you go back to the present, Groose would be standing there, shocked to see what had appeared in front of him. It was the tree of life. You bring the fruit back to the thunder dragon, and he would be healed. You probably already figured it out by now but the tree in the wall in the Forgotten Temple, is indeed the Tree of Life, after millennials of growing.
i feel really bad for botw zelda bc her birthday present was the death of her entire family and the fall of her kingdom, as well as another perceived failure on her part
Nice idea! One point I'm not totally sold on though is just this: I'm not so sure about Spider's Nest being swarmed by guardians. If that was the case, like in the forgotten Temple, then wouldn't there be at least a couple guardian stalker remains around? A way around this might be if Spider's Nest/Lanayru Promenade, as opposed to the fortress-like Forgotten Temple, was a challenge to defend and was easily overwhelmed by guardians as a sort of waypoint in pursuit of some other target(s).
there was also a theory, though i can't remember who made it, that the forgotten temple is the tample of hylia because there is the same statue and a tree growing, this could be the tree of life.
In botw, it is mentioned at some point the promenade is part of the pilgrimage to the mountain, the impression being at one point in time everyone of a certain age was meant to walk that path as a right of passage to adulthood. The mountain even has a full path and stairs carved into it. I would've loved if the area was covered in spider webs and swarming with huge skulltulas tho.
Great video as always! A quick note, in masterworks it said that the promenade was destroyed by the calamity but in link’s memory the East gate was already damaged, to the same extent as after the calamity. Thoughts?
The only messed up thing about that area outside of Kakariko Village is that, past the memory you can collect, there's a Lynel that always seemed to manage to kill ME. It's crazy to ME how the game has super- EASY Lynel and extremely tough ones. I especially hate the ones in the snowy regions.
I looked at the artwork for the original designs and thought that the name 'Spiders Nest' might actually come from the many stacked arches that spanned the valley, making it look like a series of webs. The more I see this in the ruins, the more I want BOTW 2 to have time travel or playable flashbacks.
Wait I just thought of something. The Spring of Wisdom is located on top of a snow covered mountain in BOTW but in Skyward Sword it is in the middle of a forest. Shouldn't the Spring of Courage match up with that location in Skyward Sword more?
Sound question, but you have to take into consideration the fact that Skyward Sword is the first game in the Zelda timeline, and while we don't know BOTW's exact timeline placement, we can assume that it's at least 10,100 years after. Perhaps over time, the forest turned into a cold mountain over thousands of years THAT and the fact that Hyrule's map is EXTREMELY inconsistent from game to game lol
The Spring of Courage is in the jungle in Faron, and matches up nicely with the Skyview Temple's spring. So really, we're missing a third spring because Zelda went to the Temple of Time in the Lanayru region after the 3rd dungeon, which is on the opposite side of the map, if being luscious and green in the ancient past, compared to Zora's Domain in most other games.
I think this was my ONLY complaint about Breath of the Wild. It would've been great for a lot of these abandoned places, including Mekar Island, to have had more depth and story to them, and upon finding certain or even a few spots, you'd have some neat flashbacks or spirits appearing to give you some info for the place. None of that ever happened in any of them, and being attacked by a mob of enemies or a Lynel just wasn't cutting it. I hope Breath of the Wild 2 explores more of these places, and gives us dungeons this time, because I always found how the dungeons gave us more story to the lands and location. And PLEASE add some more variety of enemies, because I would've LOVED to have seen Skulltulas (one of my favorites), yes, and dragons!
I like the thought that the Spider’s Nest was met to memorialize past princesses the way that the forgotten temple does for previous knights. A place Zelda will go once she achieves her true strength.
Ever heard of a funnel spider, or ever seen an odd shaped spider's web in the shape of a funnel/cone? If so, then you know why the name "Spider's Nest Mountain" was given to this specific location. Also, the name "Spider's Nest Mountain" refers to the arrangement of the steep mountains located on either side of this area, not the walkway that runs through it! The "Lanayru Promenade" is the walkway itself that leads travelers to the base of Lanayru Mountain. As for the structures from LoZ:SS that line the canyon walls, well, the overall path does lead to a Goddess Statue (first introduced in LoZ:SS), and a sacred/impressive statue like that deserves an equally sacred/impressive looking pathway leading to it! (In order to honor and respect the Ancient Goddess Hylia and her "chosen" people, that is.)
Just wanted to say like three years later that this place was probably built during Skyward Sword. Notice the diamond symbols on the archways in the concept art, and, of course, the loftwings. So this mostly likely has something to do with Zelda’s powers in SS or the aftermath of SS. I personally don’t know much about SS, but I know you do :)
The fact this place is one of many to be gorgeous, with intricate designs, and seems to have History behind it, yet holds nothing more than a few koroks, a shrine and monsters, is part of what makes the game so good for me. It's desolation, places that used to have been lively and busy are now quiet, peaceful and mourning. Most games would fill these kinds of locations with events, quests and stuff to do, BotW just leaves it almost empty, and that's the eery beauty of it and what makes the game stand out so much from other games. I fear they will actually make these areas more populated with quests and events in the sequel to catter to the mainstream who you still see complain about the world being "too empty". Hell, people's main complaint about the game is still ( besides the FPS count ) the weapons breaking too fast, while the search for new weapons is obviously one of the things that'll drive you to actually explore. I love exploration in games and never had any issue with weapons in the game, had too many of them most of the time actually. Ah, that escalated into a rant.
lmao i def scaled the side of mt lanayru when going to the spring- i didnt find out about the road until I was specifically looking for that lost memory
You should do a theory on why Ganon gave up on reincarnation even though the game said he was tired of being beat by the hero but what if there was more, because there is going to be another game. So he’s back???
I think this might be the remains from Skyview Temple (SS) terrain is never fully consistent in Zelda games anyway. But think about it: the architecture, the water, relativity to a sacred spring... THE MASSES OF SPIDERS.
I think it’s the ruins of skyview temple, it’s around the same location only being a little out of the Faron woods, the temple had running water and was massive, it ends at a sacred spring.
The Lanayru promenade was most likely built after the Era of the Sky to link the 3 areas together after the Skyloftians returned to the surface. After many centuries of unease between the kingdoms of the surface, the passage fell unused and the new "eight-legged tenants" moves in, giving the area its nickname, The Spiders Nest. Then again, over time, the area filled with water and cleansed the area of its eight-legged evil inhabitants.
The guardians went through many concepts as various many-legged monsters- including spider-like creatures. Maybe this area would’ve been a hub for them, which made the name redundant?
Interesting theory, and possible. But, I feel like the real reason it looks like the forgotten temple is: 3d animation takes a lot of time and effort, especially if you're making detailed patterns and reliefs. So it's normal that things would get recycled from time to time. I feel that the large arches might have supported a roof that has collapsed or was destroyed (otherwise why would they be there?) And that this promenade might have been the former location of Zoras Domain.
Compare the central portion of Lanayru Promenade with the Eastern Palace from A Link to the Past. The architecture matches up surprisingly well. It fits the geographic location, too.
I just noticed that NBC was wearing the Old shirt and Well-Worn Trousers in some of the video. I always just sell mine the moment I get the Hylian armor set.
Not sure if this helps, but the shrines and sheikah tower designs were made by the Zonai tribe Edit: also the Forgotten Temple is one of the temples from Skyward Sword
Now that I know the name was originally Spider's Nest, I can see a resemblance of the carving to the Spider's lairs in Majora's Mask. One next to the ocean and one in the swamp area. Maybe this area was meant to be a Golden Skultula side quest?
I was waiting for someone to make a video about this because I was always wondering what was up with it, but I couldn’t find anything on it, I even took time to try and match the symbols with other areas but it never matched cause I never looked at the forgotten temple I kinda forgot about it (how ironic :p)
let's not forget that the guardians did have more spider-like designs at one point. perhaps if we had a timeline of the development cycle we could connect a few more dots
Id think pretty low. They're probably just going to try to hype their upcoming releases. If they said a single sentence about BOTW 2, it would overshadow and distract from everything else they're going to be showing off. Hope I'm wrong, though
alright, it's been FOUR years since botw was released and I've spent hundreds of hours with this game but I've never seen or heard of this place somehow??? Like, I know there's a memory close to it but I've never seen these specific ruins, mind blowing
I think it's a viable option for Vah Ruta's awakening. Naydra also probably goes there as it is in (architecture wise) similar relation to The Ancient Hylians', who I assume tamed the ancient dragons long ago. The shrine is most likely there (and I assume it was there before the promenade was built) because the Ancient Hylians didn't know what it was and wanted to further study it, and after realizing it's tech, decided to build something around it, as maybe a convenient location or something...My second theory is that It was built because of it being next to Lanayru mountain's entrance, and they wanted to monitor it as it was a place of holy worship. In case you were wondering about the whole 'Ancient Hylains taming the three Dragons' here is a quick explanation: I assume that they both are of the same or similar time in existence, due to the fact that the three goddesses are somewhat forgotten when it comes to BOTW and its non-playable-characters. What also is forgotten (almost entirely)? That's right, the Ancient Hylains. Now, I don't know how it came to be, but most likely the Ancient Hylians noticed the power of the dragons and wanted to tame them for those capabilities. I assume that the dragons still remember the Ancient Hylians, as they hang out rather close to old structures built by them. Now before you reply with 'Farosh doesn't hang out around any Ancient Hyrulean structures', I speculate that Farosh was tamed by the Zonai, due to it mostly flying around the tropical regions. The Zonai might have also been blessed by Farosh, due to the overwhelming growth in the tropical regions. These are simple speculations. Leave your theories in the replies!
To think that structures connected with the Skyward Sword era could still exist so many thousands of years later. Can't even imagine how many people must've walked those locations in all that time
It probably is the same road, but after thousands of years things like erosion, lanslides, and other effects more than likely terraformed the land. The spring itself was more than likely maintained by the people(not just Hylians but all who follow Hylia) up until travel to the location became unnecessary. As for the water, the flooding may be connection to Skyward Sword's Water Dragon. Back then, she had complete control over the water level, and could raise/lower it at will. But eventually she died, leaving the water level entirely up to the course of nature.
I just had a thought... Since the forgotten temple was a place to record all the heroes who fought against Ganon, shouldn't there be some kind of info about the original pilots of the divine beasts? Why isn't there? It's hard to imagine that the dormant guardians over there would've just randomly destroyed everything when it seems like nobody's been there in a long time, so there's no reason for the guardians to just aimlessly attack it, right? Just a random thougth
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I legit didn't even realize there was a road connecting Kakariko Village to Lanayru Mountain... I always traveled in straight lines and climbed over what ever was in my path
XD Your Link is walking along a flat road and there’s a mountain in the way... “All right, Stamina Wheel don’t fail me now!”
@@AmericanDivaa Pretty much 🤣
lmao, same. It's how I got to Kakariko, and completely missed the "first" stable, and the shrine with the climbing bandana (ironic)
Same
@@nayuki-rn i’ve played the game twice and the first time i followed the path and got the shrine and stuff, and the second time, i got to kakariko village and i was like, “where’s dueling peaks stable?” because i just climbed over everything lol
This is the stuff I’d like to see explored in BOTW2
I believe a lot of the enemies "missing" from BOTW will be in #2 BECAUSE of Ganondorf's awakening. It would be an interesting way of explaining where the skulltulas (for ex.) were in #1.🤞I'm hoping.🤞
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-Double D
Same
@Steven
I hope so, that would be really cool!
Matthaeus could be another golden spider collection quest.
At 5:27 you say the water level has drastically increased. Maybe this has to do with Vah Ruta, who was already seen as the cause of floods, and is right next door, also being in the Lanayru region.
This kinda makes me more excited for botw 2 thinking a lot of mysteries likes this may be getting more backstories
Or for the more pessimistic crowd- prematurely disappointed for what questions don’t get answered
Since Nintendo officially stated that they started making Botw2 mostly because they had too many DLC Ideas. So I think we might get some deeper storylines.
YESSSSS!!!
Perhaps
I’m betting on (if there are classic dungeons) Lanayru Promenade being a dungeon. In the event that it is, the dungeon itself may be called the spiders nest or something. And Gohma gonna be the boss. Which excites me.
Maybe spiders actually used to live there but it's so long ago the spiders have already moved on. Or another version of Link came along and killed them all for a Skulltula Token.
Or maybe "spiders" was a term used to describe the Sheikah Tribe ?
I like the idea that there are no skultulas because a previous iteration of link literally killed all them off for a wallet or a mask.
I don’t think a spider can carry really heavy rocks, if it did happen though, like others said link was probably grinding on them.
@@nonoctoro4933 "spyders" like in game of thrones..master of whisperers..master of spies
But I wanted to kill them😭
What if...
The age limit on the Spring of Wisdom was because it was intended to be the first spring a Spirit Maiden would visit? As in, Zelda never should’ve been forced to begin her training until after her 17th birthday. A child doesn’t have much to reflect on for “courage” or “power” same as “wisdom”. Her training actually stunted her from having any true life experiences since...she was so young and literally wasn’t allowed to have a life outside of it.
(And literally every time a King’s involved he only hinders the current Zelda with his “King Knows Best” bullshit. I’m not even joking. It’s not subtle or surprising this would follow the same pattern, especially with the Silent Princess metaphor.)
I agree with you 100%! Where are all the videos or commentaries on how much shame and abuse that was heaped on the poor young Zelda. Im not a SWJ or a person who belives in safe space for the emotionally coddled & needy but damn, her story was totally brutal and made me wish Link would turn kingslayer to save her from that wrong headed bastard
@@1ManNamedDan He's meant to be her guardian. Sounds like someone should have guarded her from her father. It's a real shame her mother died early, and then her father wanted to do things exactly the same as they'd been done before. Even though everyone knows people don't usually fall for the exact same trick twice.
It irked me when Rhoam is like "The people are belittling you". You know what you say when people belittle your daughter? You tell them to shut the fuck up. Parents, support your children.
@@chadnorris8257 clearly your not an king.
Well, I've never known 17 year olds to be particularly wise or experienced. The 17 thing was just a plot convenience for the narrative. It was never practical.
I wouldn't be too angry at the king, yes he stewed up sure, but he still loved his daughter, and probably became overprotective after her mother died.
When I saw “spiders nest” my first thought was the legend of Zelda tech demo with the giant spider
Steven Ruf
You mean the one that was literally just Twilight Princess HD?
@@Void_Echoes It turned into BOTW but was called Zelda U
@@Void_Echoes Mmm, only that the demo looked waaaay better than the actual TPHD
@@SlyBizniz No that's not accurate, that demo was just made to show off what the upcoming Wii U console would be capable of. It was never intended to be developed into a game and had absolutely zero to do with BotW, which didn't even begin development until two years after the demo was made.
MLennholm
Yeah true
Maybe we'll see skulltulas in underground sections of BoTW2, that could definitely add to the dark atmosphere it's going for
Hopefully their design is pretty terrifying
Yeah, I hope they add the Deku Baba's as well as like...large, viney, carnivorous plants. Think of a giant venus flytrap and its head is about the size of a kind size bed or a twin size bed. Oohh, that gives me some chills with the Skulltulas! Maybe even more plant based enemies like Peahats or Baku Babas (Wind Waker) can be seen in the underground!
all i hope for in BoTW2 is more structure, and harder puzzles. i found all my anticipation was taken away due to being able to brute force my way into any location i was interested by, rather than having to wait until something further was unlocked
I hope not. There's really no good reason to have spiders, and arachnophobia is very common. At the very least they should go back to the very unrealistic designs from OoT and MM
I just thought it meant that ghoma was planned to be there, especially seeing that ghoma occasionally has larva with it and is a spider.
Ghoma, Armoghoma, or just a royal f-ton of Skulltulas and Walltulas
Or maybe seeing Gohma (Ghoma), as an overall family of insects in the next game, maybe?
-Double D
@@dawsonhelf7922 that could work, and mabe if Hyrule Castle is taken over again, we could see Darknuts, Iron Knuckles, and malice corrupted versions of the two
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Alternatively, remember how the guardians went through a design phase where the devs chose between various many-legged designs including spider-like ones? Maybe this is where they would’ve lived if the spider design had been final?
I really hope we get more worldbuilding lore in the form of hyrule's history in the next breath of the wild game. The world is so mysterious and while it worked really well for BotW1, i want BotW2 to focus on relearning history and restoring the kingdom, as well as finally defeating ganondorf.
they can't finally defeat genondorf the curse of the demon King keeps reincarnating link and Zelda and genon
the Courier who says they can't break the curse? It wouldn't be unheard of
@@siriuslywastaken they can't they don't know about it and the king of demons is the one who put the gurse on link and the goddess hylia it's going to be hard to break it
the Courier but there could totally be information about it stored somewhere deep under hyrule by the goddess
@@siriuslywastaken Zelda is the goddess reincarnated for the goddess to put that info the goddess would have to put that information somewhere in skyloft because the goddess only shows up in skyward sword
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"Spider" could also refer to a Gohma that once resided there. We know Gohmas are largely based on arachnids, of which spiders are one. But some designs of Gohma are more spider-like than others, especially the ones in The Legend of Zelda and Twilight Princess.
There were also plans for more than 4 divine beasts, maybe one of them was spider-like.
Wasn’t there that one unused spider thing in the 4 unused guardian concepts? I’ve always thought that was gonna be a form of Gohma.
Thank you someone finally made a video about Laynayru promenade. Been waiting for this.
Me: **Reads “Spider’s Nest”**
Also Me: Well I’m never going there XD
Lol
Me-*read spider nest*
Also Me-look at the long path
Me- *turn around* I-I-I think I left the oven on
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XD u an arachnophobe as well?
Kurapika: *Eyes glow*
ShadowDragonGamer 476 -ummmm no no no I just left some cake in the oven😥😥🙄🙄
Ahmed -*moving real slow away from kurapika* I don’t like that look*shivers*
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Here's hoping for more Botw 2 info during tonight's direct!
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I always watch ur videos until the very end for that malo mart theme
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I used to be really really annoyed by that song, it could wake me from sleep. But now I thoroughly enjoy it.
Spiders Nest? Imagine entering a temple, and being assaulted by literal giant spiders.
that’s what made twilight princess so scary
So ocarina of times first dungeon?
Speaking of Lanayru's decree of age for the pilgrimage to the Shrine of Wisdom, I wonder if it has to do with being spiritually developed enough to see beings like Naydra. I also wonder if Link was able to see koroks and dragons before his 100 year sleep.
Nice point on the "Spider's Nest" nickname. I like the overlay of 'times' you get when there's a historic landmark that clearly has a modern name.
lanayru promenade (esp the gate) always felt meaningful to me because it's where link, zelda, and the champions were when the calamity started.
As Im playing BOTW, I was climbing in at area, opened my map and said, " I wish someone would explore into this or expand it in 2" and look what you did!
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I'm pretty sure in another video NBC showed some scrapped designs for guardians, and one of them was a spider.
It is built as part of the Spring of Wisdom and also for the dragon to pass through. In Japanese and Chinese version of Zelda, the Lanayru Road is called "拉聂耳神道" or "ラネール参道" (Lanayru Sandō ), it means a road to a spiritual place, also means a path for the spirits.
They are from the Era before Skyward Sword.
Perhaps a City for the Ancient Sheikah ? The "spiders" ?
It's Japanese name is ラネール参道中央広場 (Ranēru Sandō Chūō Hiroba) "Lanayru Shrine Road Central Plaza" So, the idea of an ancient city is not farfeitched.
The era before?
Do you mean before Hylia lifted the people off the ground?
Even then I couldn't see it being before SS because of the Loftwings in the pillars, meaning that Skyward Sword would have had to have happened in order for them to add those to the reliefs on the pillars :0 I... Think so, anyways
@@doukzu They already existed before, she did not make them up.
@@nonoctoro4933 ah, I was just under the impression they weren't important until then since they're such an airborn species it seems like they'd thrive/evolve up there and not on the ground
no. after skyward sword.
Remember the giant spider boss in the first trailer for Breath of the Wild? Maybe Spider Nest Mountain was going to be filled with skultulas and then you would find an old room or building where the giant spider is located
That was an Armogohma in the Temple of Light.
That wasn't a "trailer for BOTW", it was just a tech demo to show the Wii U's capabilities
@@nonoctoro4933 it was tempel of time not light
Finally a video on this location! Remember I was so scared to go there 🤣
You and Zeltik are my favorite zelda content creators when it comes to this stuff because you both make the history and lore of the series so much more awesome than it already is :)
Another theory suggests that the name is a reference to the BOTW demo at E3 2011. In this demo Link fights a 3D Gohma boss fight, this may be where Gohma was supposed to be implemented before it was scrapped. This may be false due to the MASSIVE time difference; however, it’s been proven this was the precursor to BOTW.
It's crazy how much history and story info you have for breath of the wild it makes you look at the game in a different way not just a game. Breath of the wild is the 1st zelda I ever played I have to say it was worth it.
Spider’s Nest Mountain, huh?
What a mystery and mysteries are really awesome!
imo, I think you've got part of it wrong. If it was dubbed spiders nest road, and built during the same time as the forgotten temple, I think it makes more sense that the developers originally were going to have the forgotten temple in that area, but because it's a fairly early game area, it didn't make sense to have it infested with guardians. My first thought when hearing the description of the forgotten temple was "how could it have been forgotten? it's so central" so it would make sense that they initially wanted it to be farther away and behind mountains.
Great video though!
When are you going to begin yout transformation into the zelda version of vattividya
Everytime i see people connect SS to BotW, im reminded of the tree on the Great Plateau in BotW with the root tunnel that smaller scale parallels the tree with the root tunnel in SS
They also probably didn't add heaps of gardians because it is also a place most people will visit early on.
That was very interesting, thank you for taking the time to do this. I have the book but the print is so small I get annoyed after reading it for very long. Thanks again.
For those of you who don't know, the first game in the zelda timeline, Skyward Sword, which is the game where hyrule is created, was where the Forgotten Temple was originally created. But, the real name for the temple was the Temple of Hylia, or the Sealed Temple.
This temple is so old, that it has been buried by rocks and boulders. But why is the tree on the eall there? Let me tell you why.
In Skyward Sword, when you are in the Lanayru Desert province, the Thunder Dragon is dead. To reverse this, you had to go back in time to where he was sick. He tells you that his tree of life isn't growing any fruit that gives you life. To do this, you have to take its seed and take it back to the Sealed Temple in the past. When you go back to the present, Groose would be standing there, shocked to see what had appeared in front of him. It was the tree of life. You bring the fruit back to the thunder dragon, and he would be healed. You probably already figured it out by now but the tree in the wall in the Forgotten Temple, is indeed the Tree of Life, after millennials of growing.
I thought it was an ancient road to the ancient Spring of Wisdom.
Help, I can’t stop consuming Zelda related videos
i feel really bad for botw zelda bc her birthday present was the death of her entire family and the fall of her kingdom, as well as another perceived failure on her part
The color design is neat! Great job
Love this channel and the humble shout-outs to and collabs with Zeltik. Great videos!
Thanks I've always wondered about that location, love your channel man, keep doing on what your doing. you rock!
Nice idea! One point I'm not totally sold on though is just this: I'm not so sure about Spider's Nest being swarmed by guardians. If that was the case, like in the forgotten Temple, then wouldn't there be at least a couple guardian stalker remains around? A way around this might be if Spider's Nest/Lanayru Promenade, as opposed to the fortress-like Forgotten Temple, was a challenge to defend and was easily overwhelmed by guardians as a sort of waypoint in pursuit of some other target(s).
there was also a theory, though i can't remember who made it, that the forgotten temple is the tample of hylia because there is the same statue and a tree growing, this could be the tree of life.
In botw, it is mentioned at some point the promenade is part of the pilgrimage to the mountain, the impression being at one point in time everyone of a certain age was meant to walk that path as a right of passage to adulthood. The mountain even has a full path and stairs carved into it. I would've loved if the area was covered in spider webs and swarming with huge skulltulas tho.
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Breath of the Wild 2
Great video as always!
A quick note, in masterworks it said that the promenade was destroyed by the calamity but in link’s memory the East gate was already damaged, to the same extent as after the calamity. Thoughts?
it's a problem with many of Zelda's photos/Link's memories... you see ruins in pre-Calamity times
Maybe they meant the previous calamity?
There are a lot of references to the previous calamity - fingers crossed BotW2 let’s us explore that time!
The only messed up thing about that area outside of Kakariko Village is that, past the memory you can collect, there's a Lynel that always seemed to manage to kill ME. It's crazy to ME how the game has super- EASY Lynel and extremely tough ones. I especially hate the ones in the snowy regions.
So damn excited for BOTW II. Awesome video.
Bring back Skulltulas! I can’t believe Breath of the Wild didn’t feature such a classic Zelda enemy!
That feeling when senpai beats you to the punch, eh?
I wouldn't mind more variation in enemies by the way. For example some spider like enemy dropping from a tree or something would be interesting.
So many cool mysterious structures that I HOPE get some attention in BotW2. I'll pay anything
“Footage taken from Chuggaaconroy” wait what? I guess I’ll just have to watch the video!
I can’t believe I’m saying this but, I want spiders in the next Zelda game. They brought a creepy vibe with their presence.
I think the Forgotten Temple is a reference to the Temple Of Souls from Hyrule Warriors which honored the different incarnations of Link.
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I legit forgot about that game
I looked at the artwork for the original designs and thought that the name 'Spiders Nest' might actually come from the many stacked arches that spanned the valley, making it look like a series of webs. The more I see this in the ruins, the more I want BOTW 2 to have time travel or playable flashbacks.
Wait I just thought of something. The Spring of Wisdom is located on top of a snow covered mountain in BOTW but in Skyward Sword it is in the middle of a forest. Shouldn't the Spring of Courage match up with that location in Skyward Sword more?
Sound question, but you have to take into consideration the fact that Skyward Sword is the first game in the Zelda timeline, and while we don't know BOTW's exact timeline placement, we can assume that it's at least 10,100 years after. Perhaps over time, the forest turned into a cold mountain over thousands of years
THAT and the fact that Hyrule's map is EXTREMELY inconsistent from game to game lol
The Spring of Courage is in the jungle in Faron, and matches up nicely with the Skyview Temple's spring. So really, we're missing a third spring because Zelda went to the Temple of Time in the Lanayru region after the 3rd dungeon, which is on the opposite side of the map, if being luscious and green in the ancient past, compared to Zora's Domain in most other games.
I think this was my ONLY complaint about Breath of the Wild. It would've been great for a lot of these abandoned places, including Mekar Island, to have had more depth and story to them, and upon finding certain or even a few spots, you'd have some neat flashbacks or spirits appearing to give you some info for the place. None of that ever happened in any of them, and being attacked by a mob of enemies or a Lynel just wasn't cutting it.
I hope Breath of the Wild 2 explores more of these places, and gives us dungeons this time, because I always found how the dungeons gave us more story to the lands and location. And PLEASE add some more variety of enemies, because I would've LOVED to have seen Skulltulas (one of my favorites), yes, and dragons!
I like the thought that the Spider’s Nest was met to memorialize past princesses the way that the forgotten temple does for previous knights. A place Zelda will go once she achieves her true strength.
Ever heard of a funnel spider, or ever seen an odd shaped spider's web in the shape of a funnel/cone? If so, then you know why the name "Spider's Nest Mountain" was given to this specific location. Also, the name "Spider's Nest Mountain" refers to the arrangement of the steep mountains located on either side of this area, not the walkway that runs through it! The "Lanayru Promenade" is the walkway itself that leads travelers to the base of Lanayru Mountain. As for the structures from LoZ:SS that line the canyon walls, well, the overall path does lead to a Goddess Statue (first introduced in LoZ:SS), and a sacred/impressive statue like that deserves an equally sacred/impressive looking pathway leading to it! (In order to honor and respect the Ancient Goddess Hylia and her "chosen" people, that is.)
Just wanted to say like three years later that this place was probably built during Skyward Sword. Notice the diamond symbols on the archways in the concept art, and, of course, the loftwings. So this mostly likely has something to do with Zelda’s powers in SS or the aftermath of SS. I personally don’t know much about SS, but I know you do :)
The fact this place is one of many to be gorgeous, with intricate designs, and seems to have History behind it, yet holds nothing more than a few koroks, a shrine and monsters, is part of what makes the game so good for me. It's desolation, places that used to have been lively and busy are now quiet, peaceful and mourning. Most games would fill these kinds of locations with events, quests and stuff to do, BotW just leaves it almost empty, and that's the eery beauty of it and what makes the game stand out so much from other games. I fear they will actually make these areas more populated with quests and events in the sequel to catter to the mainstream who you still see complain about the world being "too empty". Hell, people's main complaint about the game is still ( besides the FPS count ) the weapons breaking too fast, while the search for new weapons is obviously one of the things that'll drive you to actually explore. I love exploration in games and never had any issue with weapons in the game, had too many of them most of the time actually.
Ah, that escalated into a rant.
lmao i def scaled the side of mt lanayru when going to the spring- i didnt find out about the road until I was specifically looking for that lost memory
what I've been playing for weeks and never seen this place
You should do a theory on why Ganon gave up on reincarnation even though the game said he was tired of being beat by the hero but what if there was more, because there is going to be another game. So he’s back???
Keep the content coming, man!!! IDC how long it takes you to put it out, just keep em coming!!
I think this might be the remains from Skyview Temple (SS) terrain is never fully consistent in Zelda games anyway.
But think about it: the architecture, the water, relativity to a sacred spring... THE MASSES OF SPIDERS.
I think it’s the ruins of skyview temple, it’s around the same location only being a little out of the Faron woods, the temple had running water and was massive, it ends at a sacred spring.
Nice vid!
Looking forward to the next one
The Lanayru promenade was most likely built after the Era of the Sky to link the 3 areas together after the Skyloftians returned to the surface. After many centuries of unease between the kingdoms of the surface, the passage fell unused and the new "eight-legged tenants" moves in, giving the area its nickname, The Spiders Nest. Then again, over time, the area filled with water and cleansed the area of its eight-legged evil inhabitants.
The guardians went through many concepts as various many-legged monsters- including spider-like creatures. Maybe this area would’ve been a hub for them, which made the name redundant?
Spinoff game for the Zonai would be sooo sick
That's cool but do you guys know of the door at spectale rock?
Interesting theory, and possible. But, I feel like the real reason it looks like the forgotten temple is: 3d animation takes a lot of time and effort, especially if you're making detailed patterns and reliefs. So it's normal that things would get recycled from time to time. I feel that the large arches might have supported a roof that has collapsed or was destroyed (otherwise why would they be there?) And that this promenade might have been the former location of Zoras Domain.
remembering what the guardian concept art look like, i think its very likely "spider's nest mountain" was going to be infested with guardians
Compare the central portion of Lanayru Promenade with the Eastern Palace from A Link to the Past. The architecture matches up surprisingly well. It fits the geographic location, too.
I just noticed that NBC was wearing the Old shirt and Well-Worn Trousers in some of the video. I always just sell mine the moment I get the Hylian armor set.
Wow. Thanks to your videos I can't unhear the morse codes in the Divine Beast theme. And it gives me anxiety. xDD
I know why you need to be 17 to enter. The spring of wisdom doesn't flow with water, but vodka. The water of wisdom is what they're coming for.
Not sure if this helps, but the shrines and sheikah tower designs were made by the Zonai tribe
Edit: also the Forgotten Temple is one of the temples from Skyward Sword
What if in botw 2 we travel to the past and visit all of the places that were not accesible such as towns in ruins and temples?
I would love to know more about the Akkala region and specifically the Citadel!
Zeltik has an entire video dedicated to the Akkala Citadel, I recommend it for watching...
I love this community and your channel, sorry it took too long to find your channel :)
Now that I know the name was originally Spider's Nest, I can see a resemblance of the carving to the Spider's lairs in Majora's Mask. One next to the ocean and one in the swamp area. Maybe this area was meant to be a Golden Skultula side quest?
I was waiting for someone to make a video about this because I was always wondering what was up with it, but I couldn’t find anything on it, I even took time to try and match the symbols with other areas but it never matched cause I never looked at the forgotten temple I kinda forgot about it (how ironic :p)
let's not forget that the guardians did have more spider-like designs at one point. perhaps if we had a timeline of the development cycle we could connect a few more dots
Speaking of spiders I wish we still got the giant spider boss/enemy from the first BotW trailer
Woah what??
@@scheyeguy2479 It was only a tek demo for what zelda on the Wii U would look like. It pretty sure it has nothing do do with BOTW
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There was no giant spider boss in the first BOTW trailer
That trailer has nothing to do with botw it was a tec demo for the wii U that was based on twilight princess
Nintendo Direct predictions?
Also I wonder if there is a chance of any BotW 2 in the direct.
@@celeryman6073 Yeah, well this is Nintendo after all. And they do like to surprise us.
I think that would be still too soon maybe at the end of this year
Id think pretty low. They're probably just going to try to hype their upcoming releases. If they said a single sentence about BOTW 2, it would overshadow and distract from everything else they're going to be showing off. Hope I'm wrong, though
mario sunshine 2 and more pokemon garbage
The direct is in 1 hour, right?
you guys are doing real life archaeology technique in a fictional world
I'm new so I don't know this but what happened to dodongos in breath of the wild?
No reference to Dodongos in BotW, most likely dead or buried in some unseen caves.
Not sure, but the only one I've found is North of Mt Doom in the Eldin region.
They all got bombed to death when Dodongo season opened up.
souLance Death Mountain not Mount Doom. I can see I’m not the only one who confuses the volcanoes in Zelda and Lord of the Rings lolz 😂😂😂
@@Artist-128 lmaooo
alright, it's been FOUR years since botw was released and I've spent hundreds of hours with this game but I've never seen or heard of this place somehow??? Like, I know there's a memory close to it but I've never seen these specific ruins, mind blowing
I think it's a viable option for Vah Ruta's awakening. Naydra also probably goes there as it is in (architecture wise) similar relation to The Ancient Hylians', who I assume tamed the ancient dragons long ago. The shrine is most likely there (and I assume it was there before the promenade was built) because the Ancient Hylians didn't know what it was and wanted to further study it, and after realizing it's tech, decided to build something around it, as maybe a convenient location or something...My second theory is that It was built because of it being next to Lanayru mountain's entrance, and they wanted to monitor it as it was a place of holy worship.
In case you were wondering about the whole 'Ancient Hylains taming the three Dragons' here is a quick explanation:
I assume that they both are of the same or similar time in existence, due to the fact that the three goddesses are somewhat forgotten when it comes to BOTW and its non-playable-characters. What also is forgotten (almost entirely)? That's right, the Ancient Hylains. Now, I don't know how it came to be, but most likely the Ancient Hylians noticed the power of the dragons and wanted to tame them for those capabilities. I assume that the dragons still remember the Ancient Hylians, as they hang out rather close to old structures built by them. Now before you reply with 'Farosh doesn't hang out around any Ancient Hyrulean structures', I speculate that Farosh was tamed by the Zonai, due to it mostly flying around the tropical regions. The Zonai might have also been blessed by Farosh, due to the overwhelming growth in the tropical regions.
These are simple speculations. Leave your theories in the replies!
To think that structures connected with the Skyward Sword era could still exist so many thousands of years later. Can't even imagine how many people must've walked those locations in all that time
Can be the spider nest the outside walls of the forest temple of ocarina of time?
It probably is the same road, but after thousands of years things like erosion, lanslides, and other effects more than likely terraformed the land. The spring itself was more than likely maintained by the people(not just Hylians but all who follow Hylia) up until travel to the location became unnecessary. As for the water, the flooding may be connection to Skyward Sword's Water Dragon. Back then, she had complete control over the water level, and could raise/lower it at will. But eventually she died, leaving the water level entirely up to the course of nature.
I just had a thought... Since the forgotten temple was a place to record all the heroes who fought against Ganon, shouldn't there be some kind of info about the original pilots of the divine beasts? Why isn't there? It's hard to imagine that the dormant guardians over there would've just randomly destroyed everything when it seems like nobody's been there in a long time, so there's no reason for the guardians to just aimlessly attack it, right? Just a random thougth