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  • Опубликовано: 15 апр 2021
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    Aviation history is littered with abandoned aircraft variants. There was the a380-900 - a stretched version of the a380 that never drummed up any orders. There was the 767-X, a stretch to the -400er that was abandoned in favor of the 777. There was even a 747 trijet, which was later scrapped when development proved too complex.
    While it’s cool to imagine “what if?” with these planes, they rarely garner any attention once abandoned. There’s a good reason for that - Boeing and Airbus treat their development as sunk costs; once they get rid of a concept, they never revisit it. But the a350-800 - a variant that was abandoned back in 2014 - could prove to be different. Given the state of aviation today, it might make sense for Airbus to dust off the cobwebs and build it after all. Let me explain...
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  • @valterc
    @valterc 2 года назад +216

    The A350-800 was cancelled mostly in favor of the A330 neo.

    • @markellsworth4194
      @markellsworth4194 2 года назад +7

      A modern airplane cancelled in favor of a throwback? I don't think so. There is not enough of "neo" about the A330 to make it efficient and as highly profitable in the segment. The model is for wannabe airlines who can tolerate a heavier, less-efficient airplane for a time, because the purchase price is so much lower. For more neo, we need engines we haven't got. Very High Bypass below the GEnx and above the Safran LEAP do not exist. You COULD put the GEnx on the A330, but you would still have a gas guzzler because the aluminum airplane is so much heaver and draggier (for lack of a better word) than the carbon-based 787.

    • @tomAkelife-ff9tf
      @tomAkelife-ff9tf 2 года назад +19

      @@markellsworth4194 interesting opinion. Airbus positioned the a330neo to compete as an alternative to the 787. a330neo and 787 are in the same capacity category, whereas a350 competes more against 777 and 777x

    • @johnhenry6762
      @johnhenry6762 2 года назад +1

      @@markellsworth4194 "draggier"> Less Efficient. There. That should take care of it. Though, you'll have to change it to a lack of a better "term" and not a better "word". Just trying to help. I do like the "draggier" choice though. It's entertaining and your reasoning in using it in the end.

    • @paulshi5974
      @paulshi5974 2 года назад +7

      @@tomAkelife-ff9tf No I don't think Airbus have ever wanted A330 Neo to directly compete with 787. I honestly think Airbus just want to refresh the 30-year-old A330 family.
      A330 is very successful, and its business models are already mature for airlines, and it doesn't really have direct competitors. But it is getting old, so it's natural for Airbus to update the family to further solidify its sector dominance - making the existing routes flown by the outgoing A330 more efficient and flexible for airlines, as well as potentially opening up new possibilities for airlines.
      And the "new possibilities" might (a VERY big "might") translate into real-world, unintended (at least unintended for Airbus) competition to 787 on some routes... We'll just wait and see how airlines exploit the capabilities of the A330 Neo, and how much potential the Neo has.

    • @jlust6660
      @jlust6660 2 года назад +3

      @@markellsworth4194 You're saying this like a350-800 would have been efficient. Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better. Also since when is Delta a 'wannabe airline'?

  • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
    @MiniAirCrashInvestigation 2 года назад +130

    I love how educational these videos are!

    • @himanshshah9425
      @himanshshah9425 2 года назад +3

      Hi I love your vids

    • @abdyblanco4870
      @abdyblanco4870 2 года назад +4

      Love your vids

    • @HeathYT
      @HeathYT 2 года назад +4

      love your videos man

    • @djaneczko4
      @djaneczko4 2 года назад +2

      I feel the same about your channel too.

    • @JETZcorp
      @JETZcorp 2 года назад +1

      That's like the pot calling the kettle educational.
      ...
      This idiom might need more work...

  • @ladderman2255
    @ladderman2255 2 года назад +6

    747-500 is probably my favourite concept from the ‘90s

  • @bso_av
    @bso_av 2 года назад +19

    Helo Coby Explains! Your Video Quality is Gud ^_________^

  • @1chish
    @1chish Год назад +2

    lets remember that the A350 was born out of a re-jigging idea Airbus had in 2004 on the A330. They floated the idea to airlines and got a cold draft in return. So they built the all new A350XWB. But they also continued with smaller upgrades to the A330 and the neo-800 and -900 are very much competing with the 787-8 and -9. People confuse which aircraft competes with which and its the A330neo that is in the 787's two smaller size sectors not the A350-900 while the -1000 is in 777-300 territory.

  • @craigpaquet6620
    @craigpaquet6620 2 года назад +2

    Yet again another great video Coby. Always look forward to your posts

  • @jamesbambury
    @jamesbambury 2 года назад +11

    The A350-800 is the 787-3 of its family.

  • @itisritripathy6707
    @itisritripathy6707 2 года назад +263

    Coby : The Boeing 787-9 is perfectly positioned to replace the likes of the A380, the 747 and the 777-300ER
    777X: Am I a joke to you?

    • @jasonkoch3182
      @jasonkoch3182 2 года назад +8

      Can't replace something that airlines aren't buying...........

    • @itisritripathy6707
      @itisritripathy6707 2 года назад +44

      @@jasonkoch3182 The reason the 777X isn't selling is also the reason why we haven't seen a commercial widebody aircraft being ordered for long: Travel Downturn. The 777X is massive, and a recovered aviation demand will serve as a platform for more 777X sales.

    • @Chrisp707-
      @Chrisp707- 2 года назад +2

      @@itisritripathy6707 exactly

    • @tomAkelife-ff9tf
      @tomAkelife-ff9tf 2 года назад +20

      @@itisritripathy6707 and a lot of 777-300er aircraft are still relatively young

    • @itisritripathy6707
      @itisritripathy6707 2 года назад +1

      @@tomAkelife-ff9tf yep I know that. Just mentioned it cause Coby talked about it

  • @jameshoffman552
    @jameshoffman552 2 года назад +3

    Coby's a damn good explainer.

  • @dattaxpony920
    @dattaxpony920 2 года назад +7

    Nice video Coby. I often wonder what goes into what variants get built. You gave me a bit of a heads up there so thanks!
    How's the new gig going?

  • @josephcheng5949
    @josephcheng5949 2 года назад +3

    Most A350 target customers already fly an A330; and those that can't afford an A350 will get the A330neo. One airline (Cebu Pacific) even asked for special doors so they could fit more that 440 passengers in an A330neo. A real flying bus.

  • @howardshepherdson2925
    @howardshepherdson2925 Год назад

    Excellent analysis as usual.

  • @edan7813
    @edan7813 Год назад

    I will always love the a350

  • @netopir3804
    @netopir3804 2 года назад +5

    The dimensions of the 787-8 always seemed off to me. A dwarfed plane. The A350-9 and -10 instead are aesthetic and well balanced, and give you the feel of a large modern transglobal airliner. Even the dash 787-9 can’t trick you away from a certain playmobil feel.

  • @hernandojimenez5102
    @hernandojimenez5102 2 года назад

    You pose an interesting point of view, good observations, great report! 👍

  • @pointstraveler
    @pointstraveler 2 года назад

    Great video! Thanks for sharing

  • @jameshoffman552
    @jameshoffman552 2 года назад +5

    7:57 Pretty high bypass for an A330. Pressing the A330 into the role seems more rational than making the A350-8. It requires far less contortions of the airframe than the MAX did of the 737.

  • @jaye909
    @jaye909 Год назад +2

    The only reason why the 1000 has not sold much yet is because the B777-300ERs that it will replace are still relatively young and nowhere near retirement age. Just like Boeing did with the 777, more of the smaller variant will be sold earlier in the program with the larger variants taking up most of the production towards the end of the program.

  • @nntflow7058
    @nntflow7058 2 года назад +18

    Smaller wings and lee powerful engines. Yes.
    If it's still have the same specs as before, then no.

  • @alexandernorman5337
    @alexandernorman5337 2 года назад +6

    I don't foresee any new designs being pushed forward until the financial position of airlines improve. Too much risk right now.

  • @himanshshah9425
    @himanshshah9425 2 года назад +3

    Oh yeah I forgot about that plane !
    I guess you could use it for operations that are meant for the 767-400 by shortening it

  • @Winter-ux9vk
    @Winter-ux9vk Год назад

    Your videos are great

  • @markellsworth4194
    @markellsworth4194 2 года назад +3

    The 787-9 and A350-900 demonstrate a sweet spot in the eight-across segment. The 787-8 sells well, but in slightly fewer numbers, so the question is whether any space remains between the Boeings. The answer would be yes ONLY for an Airline already flying the A350-900 and no 787 models. The Boeings still win on per-passenger-efficiency and profit because the tidier dimensions give a lighter airplane.

  • @bacyka7029
    @bacyka7029 2 года назад +3

    Would be a great competitor for 787 8/9

  • @MarkzOng
    @MarkzOng 2 года назад +1

    Currently 787-9 could carry 36ULD as same as a normal version of 350-900 . If a shorter fuselage version of 350 appears . The cargo size is definitely smaller.

  • @matsv201
    @matsv201 2 года назад +12

    Its sort of crazy how close the 767, A330, 787, A350 and 777 is to eatch other in diameter its like a 20cm increase on each model.
    Its like 767 is 7 abreast with space and 8 with a squze. Then A330 is 8 with space, and then 787 can do 9 with a squize and A350 can do 9 comfortable and the 777 can do 10 with a sqize.

  • @luisdestefano6056
    @luisdestefano6056 2 года назад +5

    There is no possibility whatsoever that Airbus will ever build A350-800. When the project was put forward Boeing was having notorious delays in delivering the Dreamliners. Finally they came up with A330-900, which is a reasonable design for the market segment. Once the NEO version became available airlines and Airbus clearly saw that there was no longer any need or justification for the far more expensive A350-800. Comparing the 2 the COC difference is some 5%, a huge percentage in the industry. Further the NEO can be produced for far less money, compounding the difference. And 787-9 would probably have a 6% COC advantage.
    The reasons are glaringly clear: the Trent XWB 84 used on A350s are some 2.5 tons each heavier than the Trent 7000, a clear disadvantage for A350-800. Further, being designed for the bigger siblings it is oversized in this case, so it must be used at lower RPMs, hence degrading the pressure ratio, an utter waste. To make this fuselage more efficient new smaller composite wings would have to be developed at great expense, plus new smaller engines. An absolute exercise in futility for a market segment that is already well served. There is also a less than optimal fuselage configuration for A350-800. It has a shorter and wider fuselage than both 787-9 and A330-900. Hence more surface area, which causes more friction with air, resulting in a higher fuel consumption.
    It will be a cold day in hell before A350-800 is built.

  • @themindset3329
    @themindset3329 9 месяцев назад

    The A350 is the new and shiny star, for sure the most glamorous option, but for some reason I'm very happy about the success of the A330neo. It's the underdog, nobody looks at it, but it keeps showing up and delivering strong returns

  • @seattleg7130
    @seattleg7130 2 года назад

    Another great take (off)!

  • @alphamalegold1
    @alphamalegold1 2 года назад

    Bring it back!

  • @thomasaherne4106
    @thomasaherne4106 2 года назад

    I really like the look of the a350-800

  • @kirkykyle2144
    @kirkykyle2144 2 года назад +21

    A350-800 looks kinda weird for me too, I prefer the A330-200 or-800

    • @EAGSAviationYT
      @EAGSAviationYT 2 года назад +1

      Yea ikr,A350 with such short fuselage would look really weird,the 900 and the 1000 looks way better

    • @richardmorris7063
      @richardmorris7063 Год назад

      Reminds me looks wise of the 787.Similar in size n shape.

  • @ricardokowalski1579
    @ricardokowalski1579 Год назад

    3:30 *cheaply and quickly*
    Ahhh yeah... the 737max enchantment... works everytime!

  • @ajb229
    @ajb229 2 года назад

    Very interesting as ever. I have never flown on an A340 and want to experience before they go.

  • @hyper0699
    @hyper0699 2 года назад

    0:25 Mcdonnell: Can i copy ur plane?
    Airbus: yeah just make sure it doesnt look like you copied it.

  • @adamlury6443
    @adamlury6443 2 года назад

    My dream planes to fly is either the 787 variants or the a350 variants

  • @alecairpaag
    @alecairpaag 2 года назад

    When it comes to the A350-800 proportions, I think it would not have been wirder than the 787-8's. We all (or at least me) just got used to the 787-8's proportions because we've seen it in person and in the media for many years now. The -800 pictures just make it look weird, but we never really had a chance for it to grow on us.
    When it comes to esthetics/proportions on the A350-1000 vs 787-10, I thing the A is sexier. But with A350-900 vs 787-9, I think the B is the sexier one.
    I think I would had given the sexiness price to the -800 over the -8. I guess we'll probably never know.
    Keep up the excellent videos, Coby!!!

  • @brandan648
    @brandan648 2 года назад +3

    I actually would like the size of the a350-800 I don’t think it would look weird while I do like big aircrafts I think the size of the a350-800 would have been a nice one as well

  • @pilotpeter8850
    @pilotpeter8850 2 года назад

    Another interesting video nice

  • @RashadKhanAviation2023
    @RashadKhanAviation2023 2 года назад

    YES!

  • @verticalspeed_
    @verticalspeed_ 11 месяцев назад

    I've always wondered why the engines have spirals. Can you make a video on this if possible?

    • @lithi3_
      @lithi3_ 11 месяцев назад +1

      to confuse the birds

  • @airbus350800
    @airbus350800 2 года назад +1

    Airbus please build the A350 800 !

    • @johnhenry6762
      @johnhenry6762 2 года назад

      The AIRLINES did not want it back then, and doesn't look like they'll want it now.

  • @skylineXpert
    @skylineXpert 2 года назад

    Indeed.
    Might even be great for Sunclass' a332 replacement

    • @flyowen0786
      @flyowen0786 2 года назад

      No the A350-800 is basically an A330-300/900 capacity, you have the A330-800 as a great replacement

  • @l2etranger
    @l2etranger 2 года назад

    Our natural eyesight does pick up certain aspects of design in proportions, balance in shapes and symmetries. The SP looked stocky, the L1011 made the DC-10 look even better than it already did, the A318 might have sold more if it didn’t drag around such a massive rudder that could also add on fuel consumption, for some reasons, the A310 looked alright. The A340-600 definitely was a very long tube, but the A350-1000 landing gears made the ground look less busy with less bogies underneath. The 800 competed directly with the already popular A330 everyone was familiar with and its neo version was a very welcomed iteration that could easily be sold than the more expensive newer A350.

    • @l2etranger
      @l2etranger Год назад

      @T S it's a matter of perspective and perception, there is an angle that made the DC 10 look so popular that the picture was everywhere so famous it became, and it's the same effect with the A380 just above the runway, with its wingspan all visible and its rudder stick up right next to the cockpit and all landing gears off the ground.
      IMHO, only those two jets could pull it off with a great camera.

  • @physh
    @physh 2 года назад +1

    The A350-800 is no weirder than the A318

  • @Ikediamond69
    @Ikediamond69 2 года назад +1

    The 777x is gonna also do an amazing job replacing the jumbos

    • @danharold3087
      @danharold3087 Год назад

      It will if there is enough demand. I love the plane but it maybe a stillborn dinosaur.
      Boeing most likely knows the risk here. Banking on there being enough demand to sell planes but not enough to have airbus create a competing plane. Should note that lack of market has not stopped either from building planes to spite the other.

  • @australianphotographer234
    @australianphotographer234 2 года назад

    Never forgot the a350-800

  • @raxxmoriti
    @raxxmoriti 2 года назад

    Nice to see you saying something posetive about airbus

  • @ScottRothsroth0616
    @ScottRothsroth0616 2 года назад +6

    It seems to me the Airbus A350-800 would compete with the Airbus A330.

    • @rhyshanling6714
      @rhyshanling6714 Год назад

      and the a321neo, which tbf isnt far off filling the a350-800 and a330-800 segment, especially with the XLR variant

    • @rhyshanling6714
      @rhyshanling6714 Год назад

      obviously doesn't compete in terms of range, but it fills the use of the a330-800, sort of medium haul skinnier routes like dublin to atlanta or something like that

  • @jovanholland36
    @jovanholland36 2 года назад +1

    Well the shorter the plane the better the livery looks like on Uniteds 772s and 788s 737s and A319

  • @dennisthebrony2022
    @dennisthebrony2022 Год назад

    I kinda think the A350-800 might be the same length as the 787-8 Dreamliner, but of course, it has a WIDER fuselage than the 787, since it was originally designed to replace the 777 and not the 767, which was the 787's Predecessor. The same might also do with the 777-100, if that were to also exist!! And the A350 also replaced the A340s in Capacity, but noticeably, the A350 has a WIDER fuselage than the 787.

  • @dufonrafal
    @dufonrafal 2 года назад +1

    Orders comparison on modern wide-bodies :
    A330-800 vs 787-8 = 15 vs 416
    A330-900 vs 787-9 = 316 vs 886
    A350-900 vs 787-10 = 745 vs 187
    A350-1000 vs 777X = 168 vs 320
    A380-800 vs 747-8 = 251 vs 47
    A330 vs 787-8/9 = 331 vs 1302 (20% vs 80%)
    A350 vs 787-10+777X = 913 vs 507 (64% vs 36%)
    787 vs A330+A359 = 1489 vs 1076 (58% vs 42%)
    777X+747i vs A351+A380 = 367 vs 419 (47% vs 53%)
    (I combined them because 777-9 is significantly larger than A350-1000 and is targeted as a 747 replacement)
    A330+A350 vs 787+777X = 1244 vs 1809 (41% vs 59%)
    Airbus vs Boeing = 1495 vs 1856 (45% vs 55%)
    Fairly competitive, Boeing now has the market under and above the A350 with 787 and 777X, as well the most orders overall, especially for twins. But Airbus isn't doing bad either with A330neo and A351/A380.
    Also, Airbus has the A321LR/XLR and Boeing dropped the 797...
    Boeing had some trouble with MAX, but they're clearly still here to fight and we now have orders for Boom Mach 2 aircraft and the Russian and Chinese project as well... What happens after the pandemic will be interesting :)

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Год назад

      Great analysis
      Seems Boeing is dominating the widebody and freighter segment and Airbus is dominating the narrow body segment

  • @junxianglan2907
    @junxianglan2907 2 года назад

    Damn you beat me by a few seconds

  • @kremzeek100
    @kremzeek100 2 года назад +1

    since the A350-800 is shorter than the A350-900, would it be short enough to succeed the A300 & A310 medium length, wide body planes

    • @erojerisiz1571
      @erojerisiz1571 2 года назад

      It's more likely to succeed the A330

  • @Emi_LDA
    @Emi_LDA Год назад +1

    So they should make the A350-800neo ?

  • @francoisunger6466
    @francoisunger6466 2 года назад

    So now you capitalise the A in A3xx??

  • @Jakobly
    @Jakobly 2 года назад +2

    they accidentally made too good of a plane with the A330neo

  • @hakanevin8545
    @hakanevin8545 2 года назад +1

    A350-800 can be feasible when a game changer like RR UltraFan is available. Before that it cannot beat 787-9 in efficiency.
    How do we know this? GE already approached Airbus for an A350Neo to use latest engine technology and Airbus calculated that improvement in efficiency would be marginal.

    • @danharold3087
      @danharold3087 Год назад

      Speculation is iffy if one does not consider what both players will do should there be a contest.

  • @notbillnye8536
    @notbillnye8536 2 года назад

    Dood nice one

  • @sorrellwayne8133
    @sorrellwayne8133 2 года назад

    Nice

  • @ianmaritim3876
    @ianmaritim3876 2 года назад

    I like your videos

  • @Crazyuncle1
    @Crazyuncle1 2 года назад

    I agree. The A318 is weird looking as will.

  • @michaelpillingnow
    @michaelpillingnow 2 года назад +5

    Two reasons I can see for Airbus having a direct competitor to the 787, maybe three.
    1 Airbus' parent company has been inventing circular looms to spin carbon fibre components out of thread rather than tape. This allows components to have strength in the exact plans needed for that particular part. This will allow them to drop weight across multiple components.
    2 Very recently an Air NZ 787 had to turn back hours it of Auckland because 2 of its 3 redundant flight computers failed. With production now only in South Carolina and an aging fleet we can expect more failures and perhaps even more groundings. Airbus need to be ready for this opportunity.
    Developing the circular loom technology could then be back ported to further optimise the whole A350 range.

    • @danharold3087
      @danharold3087 Год назад +2

      Currently both Boeing and Airbus buy their avionics from outside vendors. The flight computers on the 787 are made by GE. You can't blame this on Boeing anymore than you can blame engine failures on Airbus. I am sure GE will be looking very closely at these failures.
      I agree the circular looms maybe a great advantage. I would not expect to see it used on current generation aircraft. Could be wrong but this is generally how such things go.

  • @jrs89
    @jrs89 2 года назад

    Your editing and graphics are great. The one thing that lags behind is the voice audio. Your microphone sounds far away and sound of your voice reflects off the walls. Consider using a mic in closer proximity like a lavier or boom mic. Consider dampening the room.

    • @cobyexplanes
      @cobyexplanes  2 года назад +1

      I have, it’s just still a work in progress. Glad you like everything else!

    • @jrs89
      @jrs89 2 года назад +1

      @@cobyexplanes Never stop improving. I really enjoy your video topics.

  • @christopherjared1277
    @christopherjared1277 Год назад

    I read a while back that the A350 will never been as efficient as the 787 for long haul (7 hours +) flights because it is 8(?) inches wider. It does not sound like much, but it means more air to push. Over a shorter flight it does not make a material difference. But for longer flights the math is different. Of course this same issue gives an edge to the A350 over the 777s... but without the extra seat abreast that the 777 has over the A350. And engines won't help, as the 787 will also upgrade engines in the future....

  • @stradivarioushardhiantz5179
    @stradivarioushardhiantz5179 2 года назад +1

    If there's an A350-800 With 60.5m overall length....these would have 45m cabin length.....placing a position between 787-8/ A330-800neo & 787-9

    • @sheereenaali8448
      @sheereenaali8448 2 года назад

      But the A350 can be fitted with 3-4-3 Economy while the 787 can't, meaning even when shorter than the 787-9, it can carry more people so that won't work.

  • @richardwilcock2942
    @richardwilcock2942 2 года назад +2

    Perhaps the A350F is a better idea.

  • @billyponsonby
    @billyponsonby 2 года назад +4

    Coby you've got to keep to a weekly schedule. See Simply Flying upload daily and make content from almost thin air. Cheers mate!

    • @mirzaahmed6589
      @mirzaahmed6589 2 года назад

      Coby is one guy, while Simple Flying had a staff of more than a dozen.

  • @ricky1231
    @ricky1231 2 года назад

    It’s not only optimisation, it’s time lag . The 787-9 was on the market several years before any A350. Same reason 777 was so successful, there was no airbus alternative for decades, same with 747 . Boeing has been getting to the market per specific aeroplane ✈️ much sooner than airbus historically. It didn’t help that GE refused to let airbus use the GE 90 & GE nx engines as well.

  • @thomassharp2719
    @thomassharp2719 6 месяцев назад

    The Airbus A330neo-800 took its place.

  • @GoalHornGeek
    @GoalHornGeek 2 года назад +1

    I could see Delta and Lufthansa using these. I could also see JetBlue place an order for routes into Europe and Asia

    • @GoalHornGeek
      @GoalHornGeek 2 года назад

      Lufthansa could possibly use these for new routes into smaller markets and could fly to airports like Raleigh/Durham, Nashville, Pittsburgh. Delta would likely use these for less busy long-haul routes and could likely see new transatlantic, transcontinental and transpacific routes from their focus cities

    • @itisritripathy6707
      @itisritripathy6707 2 года назад +1

      I doubt Jetblue picking up those jets. They might rathe prefer the A321XLR for their Trans-Atlantic missions, and either enter a partnership or an alliance

    • @fighter5583
      @fighter5583 2 года назад

      JetBlue has no intention to buy any widebodies.

    • @GoalHornGeek
      @GoalHornGeek 2 года назад

      @@fighter5583 they said that if these flights on the a321LR and a321XLR are successful, they may consider ordering a widebody aircraft to become more of a full-service airline. If they get an opportunity with Airbus like this, they could jump for the chance

    • @fighter5583
      @fighter5583 2 года назад

      @@GoalHornGeek So they'd order a plane that never left the drawing board? That makes about as much sense as ordering a 787-3. I doubt JetBlue would make a jump to order a wide body as it wouldn't fit well into their overall market.

  • @richarddastardly6845
    @richarddastardly6845 2 года назад +1

    It’s not as weird looking as the A380😂😂

  • @hectory79
    @hectory79 Год назад

    Colby, A380-900 was not launched therefore it did not fail to get orders. I would not classify the A350-1000 as failing to get orders.

  • @Agent44996
    @Agent44996 2 года назад +1

    I always thought that the B787-9 and the A350-900 were the similar aircraft...

    • @johnhenry6762
      @johnhenry6762 2 года назад

      You are on the mark. Anything that happened after the introduction of the A350-900XWB is what's known as branching out into other territories (B777s) or in other words, 2 Birds (787/777) with one stone (A350).

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Год назад

      @@johnhenry6762 the 787 is generally smaller than the 350 and the 777X is generally larger . Nevertheless the 787 and 777X have a combined order of close to 800 aircrafts more than the a350
      ~1500 , 787
      ~300 , 777X
      = 1800
      ~1000 , a350

  • @bwithrow011
    @bwithrow011 2 года назад

    The A350-800 looks like the 747SP, WEIRD!!!

  • @Sanginius23
    @Sanginius23 2 года назад +6

    I dont worry about the 350-1000 since hundrets for 777 will be replaced sooner and later and a good junk of it will be replaced by the A350

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Год назад

      The 787-10 has more orders than the 350-1000
      The 777X has more orders than the a350-1000.
      Only very few airlines will replace the 777 with the -1000. Most of them are replacing them with the 787 and a350.

  • @karsevak.hanuman
    @karsevak.hanuman 2 года назад

    A330 link not working

  • @probablynovideoshere
    @probablynovideoshere 2 года назад

    If manufacturers could figure out a way to make scalable wing and tail section designs, instead of only fuselage sections, smaller variants wouldn’t be such market failures

    • @shi01
      @shi01 2 года назад +1

      That's really not the issue. For instance the A321 has actually a very slightly taller wing than the A320. The problem is, that you want an overall parts communality as far as possible to keep costs down. But that means that for smaller versions, some parts will be overdesigned and so heavier than they need to be.

  • @planeshane9193
    @planeshane9193 2 года назад

    They should build an a350-700

  • @tdestroyer1882
    @tdestroyer1882 2 года назад

    Original title was should airbus bring back the A350-800?

  • @varunsriram823
    @varunsriram823 2 года назад

    yeah

  • @minatimurmu9798
    @minatimurmu9798 2 года назад

    Everyone forgot little Airbus a220

  • @antoniogomespereira6667
    @antoniogomespereira6667 10 месяцев назад +1

    2022-3: "everyone" is bringing back the A380...

  • @SceurdiaStudios
    @SceurdiaStudios 2 года назад

    I like short planes so a -800 sounds interesting.
    Is it possible to cut a -900 and turn it into a -800?

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 2 года назад

      You mean theoretically so just building a shorter variant or cutting an already existing -900 that already exists?

    • @SceurdiaStudios
      @SceurdiaStudios 2 года назад

      @@spongebubatz cutting an already existing -900, like modifying a 747 into a dreamlifter

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 2 года назад

      @@SceurdiaStudios unfortunately I think that would be way to complicated

    • @SceurdiaStudios
      @SceurdiaStudios 2 года назад

      @@spongebubatz complicated as in technically impossible or extremely expensive?

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 2 года назад

      @@SceurdiaStudios both, but more important very difficult to do! Such a modification could really weaken the structure of the aircraft and there’s a reason that something comparable wasn’t made yet

  • @karamsaviation2813
    @karamsaviation2813 2 года назад +1

    The a350-800 would probably not sell as well as the 900/1000

  • @erojerisiz1571
    @erojerisiz1571 2 года назад

    Waited the whole video fully expecting the a330neo
    Was disappointed until 7:20

  • @MM-np4md
    @MM-np4md 2 года назад

    Before I watch, imo, I don't see any need for it now that the neos are there.
    After watching, well I was right but didn't consider the aspect of the fuel burn being too high. Just learnt something

  • @aviationgaming1564
    @aviationgaming1564 2 года назад

    Airbus really should make an A380F

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 2 года назад

      The A380 is anything but suitable for cargo ops

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto1654 2 года назад

    You forgot one thing: Rolls-Royce’s Advance and UltraFan engine development programs. An A350XWB-800 with Rolls-Royce’s next generation engines could make the plane more economically viable.

    • @w8stral
      @w8stral 2 года назад +1

      787 program is nearly 20 years old... will be doing the exact same thing, so from my perspective, it is a wash. Frankly that is what the 777X SHOULD have been with a new wing. Keep its old Fuselage and just redo its wing/engine/cockpit and move on.

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Год назад

      @@w8stral that's what i said . Most people mention the a350neo as a 787 killer but forget that it will most likely get the same engine upgrades and refinements. The 787 is currently the most efficient widebody and will continue to do so with the 787Ng

  • @larrydugan1441
    @larrydugan1441 2 года назад

    Carrying weight that is not required as per an non optimized airframe has a fuel cost of 5% per hour of the weight carried.
    Long haul average daily utilization is about 15 hours.
    If you carry 2000 lbs for 15 hours daily that is 1500 lbs of fuel every day. Hard to compete with an aircraft that is lighter.

  • @keneferdinand9761
    @keneferdinand9761 2 года назад

    How many hours nonstop can these planes fly please help me with an answer. Thanks Coby
    737-800NG
    737MAX
    Embrear E195-E2
    787-8,9,10
    A350-900/1000ULR
    777-300ER
    777-200LR

  • @MaxKrumholz
    @MaxKrumholz Год назад

    FLY A350 and 787 Yes Boimg Better bit new Version of 350 also good

  • @tobiwan196
    @tobiwan196 Год назад

    The 787-9 is the only Boeing still selling well, but it is getting outdated and Boeing is focussed on getting the 777x off the ground and finding a suitable 737 replacement. The A321 XLR is serving the long and thin routes in the future quite well and requires little additional cost as the A320neo is already the world's best selling aircraft.
    Airbus is currently focussed on the A320 neo replacement and some kind of A350neo.

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Год назад

      The 787 family has better sales than the a350 and a330 neo combined.
      The 737 max has close to 5000 max jets on order
      And the 777X has 300+ orders and could get more when air travel recovers. That's actually good more especially for an aircraft its size.
      The 787 IS not outdated . A 787-10ER is in the works and a re engined 2nd generation 787 is in the cards too maybe for the 2030's
      A 797 could be the only cleansheat aircraft required

    • @tobiwan196
      @tobiwan196 Год назад

      @@mmm0404 the a350 is not the competitor to the 787 and neither is the a330neo. The 787 is between those. But yes the 787 is a success, so far the last one. 300 orders for the 777 is not a lot actually.

    • @mmm0404
      @mmm0404 Год назад

      @@tobiwan196 lol. The a330neo directly competes with the 787 so what are you talking about. ?
      The a350? Don't worry boeing is working on the 787-10er which has 15 more seats than the a350-900.
      The 777X is a jumbo , so selling 300+ jets for an aircraft that large IST that bad considering its just another varient of the already successful 777. Anyways most 777-300er's are still young and demand for the 777X may increase as air travel recovers and grows

  • @denisdrc5836
    @denisdrc5836 2 года назад

    The most weirdly looking passenger plane is B747SP

  • @leezinke4351
    @leezinke4351 2 года назад

    0:27 I wish Boeing build the Sonic Cruiser.

  • @EpicThe112
    @EpicThe112 Год назад

    Airbus should have simply built it and also make a HGW version A350-800x to run Hong Kong Cathay Pacific/Philippine Airlines Manila-New York 7000-7200nm flight distance. There would have been a use of A350-800 for regional Asia Pacific flights

  • @smferreiro2610
    @smferreiro2610 2 года назад

    It is weird, indeed. The same happens to me when I see a 318.

    • @fighter5583
      @fighter5583 2 года назад +2

      A310: *staring at A318*
      A318: Can you please stop staring at me sir?...
      A310: Where's the rest of ya?

    • @smferreiro2610
      @smferreiro2610 2 года назад +1

      @@fighter5583 ha haha!

    • @krvivekk
      @krvivekk 2 года назад

      @@fighter5583 they cut it off for a321

  • @andrewcunnison6975
    @andrewcunnison6975 2 года назад

    The 800 has no reason to be back. The 787-8/9 already prove it's position. Plus their newer a330Neo now taking the market even tho it's orders are lacking

  • @isaacgaming2176
    @isaacgaming2176 2 года назад

    The original B777 was discarded because looks like a L-1011 Tristar

  • @PatPat144
    @PatPat144 Год назад

    They would kill as well the A330 NEO