Thomas Tuchel's substitutions were HORRENDOUS vs. Real Madrid - Stewart Robson | ESPN FC
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- Sid Lowe and Stewart Robson join ESPN FC to give their reactions to Real Mardid's 4-3 aggregate win over Bayern Munich in the UEFA Champions League Semifinals.
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It honestly sucks that the ref's mistake in the final minute derailed every conversation about how well Madrid played. People make it sound like they were awful last night.
Tuchel's greatest gift was the offside debacle.
@deevee6932, exactly 💯 he put his energy into it, and forgot that his team played awful.
It honestly sucks that Madrid win the champions league because of a terrible call…
@@Smokefrog-jb2uz even if play continued and Bayern equalized, I have no doubt Real Madrid would have won during extra time. Seems like Tuchel and Bayern supporters would rather cope saying Madrid robbed them than face the reality of their abysmal season. Madrid were the better team last night.
@@Smokefrog-jb2uz False
Unfortunately, the referees gave Bayern an excuse for the defeat!
thats all it is
Exactly 💯
Thats why he didnt want to finish the match
Correct me if I'm wrong but from all the pics on social media if looked offside. So was it offside or not, because if it's not why are we having this debate? Lack of other talking points?
And referees always give real the excuse to win .
Everyone knows that substitutions on Kane, Muisiala and Leroy is not injury but to waste time and change tactic into defensive to protect 1 nil lead!
moron 🤣
Sane is injured for weeks now
@@thatsuckzso3734 then why he’s playing 80 minutes in this game and 90 minutes on the first leg? Or excuses 🤷♂️
I really thought Tel would come in place of sane, but when I saw Kim, I knew we were screwed
What I saw was arrogance. From the Bayern fans and the squad and their top management. Talking too much about an All German final at the Wembley before the match, as if Real Madrid was an easy walkthrough...Tuchel taking off all his attackers and bringing on a defender... That was no show of respect. And they deserved to lose, and they know it. They just bring that non-issue of last minute offside call to reduce accountability that Bayern was just terrible last night.
By the way, in the same manner, I don't like how people talk about a potential Super Cup final between Real Madrid and Leverkusen since both teams turn it around a lot at the end of the game. That's disrespectful to Dortmund. And Atalanta. Bellingham said it right, whoever came this deep into the tournament deserved to do so..one can't cherry pick their opponents.
When you make such defensive ‘close shop’ substitutions like that, it’s like waving a red flag at a bull; Real Madrid & Ancelotti would have been pumped up by that, like ‘okay then, we’ll show you’. Madness from Tuchel.
Not really. Madrid were dominating even before the subs. With a 1-0 lead with about 5 minutes to go, I don’t blame him for choosing such defensive subs to close shop. The idea being if you concede now, then you have to deal with this pressure for another 30 minutes and most likely concede. So it’s not madness he tried everything to wrap up the game within 90 mins. And everyone seems to forget it’s a neuer blunder making Tuchel subs looks ridiculous. If neuer catches that ball then Bayern most likely keeps the 1-0 lead and goes through. Then there won’t be any conversation about all this nonsense about subs. I don’t understand why people are blaming Tuchel for players fumbling. If neuer did his job then Tuchel plan would have worked out
@@binarytree4762I actually think that Manuel Neuer was outstanding! Bar the mistake he made, he would have been man of the match. He was the reason Bayern was still in the game. Had him not being on his A game, they would have conceded much more goals, and much earlier, putting any Bayern hope to bed. So, to come here and solely blame the player that actually saved them a few times, because of a single mistake he made is not fair.
The coach needs to take blame as well, those last subs was a mistake. I'm not even a Bayern fan (I'm Barça), but when I saw those subs, I screamed at the coach (from the tv), what are you doing!? This is Real Madrid!
Pep Guardiola made a similar mistake against Madrid, twice, and twice he paid the price.
@@binarytree4762 that’s a fair point. Tuchel shut City out in 2021 & no doubt believed he could replicate that again.
@@binarytree4762Real were no longer on the front foot and dominating when Tuchel made those changes, in fact they lost control when Modric came in. Those subs by Tuchel were madness and I can't see why anyone would defend him - both in principle and based on the outcome.
@@zalemdreams Real dominated on all on sides bro so stop capping. What Real was missing was a striker to punish the bayrn defence n Joselu came in to do just that.Some selfish play from Vini cost us.Real would have either ways.
Stewart Robson, the voice of reason. Thank you.
Real madrid will give this panel heart problems lol.. can you imagine being wrong so many times about one club. They never learn, greatest club ever for a reason.
Everyones on Madrids side here man. Give credit where its due. Only Frank
they did pick madrid to win tho
Don't mind all this panel. Even in Spain Barca fans have been saying that if VAR exist in the past, Madrid wouldn't have win a lot of finals and here will go with VAR they still win.
@@danielkomolafe936 of course they helped real madrid together with referee
@@danielkomolafe936 with VAR, Barca would never have won the 2009 semi final against Chelsea and 2011 qf and sf against Arsenal and Real respectively
This offside thing is getting blown way out of proportion. For the sake of argument, let's say it was onside.
The ref blows the whistle before Muller touched the ball, let alone before De Ligt takes the shot. Matter of fact, no Bayern player even touched the ball when the ref blew the whistle, so I don't get how you could argue Bayern were having a dangerous attack. It's only after the whistle blows that Muller heads that ball, and by that point, the Madrid players stopped engaging in play. We cannot be sure it would have even been a goal if the whistle hadn't blown, and, by implication, if the Madrid players, especially the keeper, had been fully attentive and responsive to the play.
If I were to be perfectly honest, De Ligt shouldn't even be taking the shot. We all remember when Van Persie kicked the ball after the ref blew the whistle and got sent off for it. De Ligt didn't get booked for doing the exact same thing, and him doing that (which is against the rules) is the only reason this is even a debate.
Facts
Muller didn't touch the ball and he is the one who was offside.
yeah exactly.
@@tomodul2619 but that's my point. The only mistake in that situation is that the linesman raised his flag when it wasn't offside, and the same could be said about the other linesman who flagged Joselu offside.
The ref blowing the whistle wasn't a mistake imo, because Bayern weren't on the attack, because they didn't even have the ball.
We don't care about your paragraphs. The players should determine the outcome of the game, not the referees. Simple. Let the play continue and conclude.
What I see in the comments since yesterday is; people are envious of Real Madrid. If it was your teams ya'll wouldn't say it's boring
I wished MUFC had this ambition and will to win.
LOL mufc fans hanging on to real madrid’s glory 😂
@@Lol-ez5tm Maybe u are too stupid to read
Biggest mistake MUFC did is to sack Mourinho. Between Mourinho and pogba they chose pogba.
@@Krampus5164 Bayern paid the ref against Arsenal so that Saka didn't get a penalty. It's getting boring
People are sick and tired seeing Real bribbi ng referees.
Diiving Che@ting in the Champions leauge and la liga that's why .
All sinds the day Franco'$ club exists.
Offside or not ,Bayern would have never not scored if referre hadn't blown the whistle. Madrid player switched off as soon as whistle went. There was no way Real defence would have allowed a CB(De ligt) to score, the same defence who had kept Kane out of the scoresheet. It was an excuse given to Tuchel so that he can hide his horrendous decisions and avoid tough questions in the press conference.
This is why I keep saying ESPN is so biased. No one is talking about the length of the added time, Bayern would not have gotten to that point if the game ended when it's meant to end Unbelievable
almost like madrid celebrated during extra time with a var check, you watched the game?
Bayern were wasting time plus VAR decisions. Half time the game was flowing and so +1 added time. Please watch the game next time before making such comments. Amateur comments.
Ref said 2 mins extra on top of extra time, but exceeded to 4 mins. The full time whistle should have already blown.
De ligt 'scored' in the 12 minute and 30 second of the extra time. AthletiCo vs Dortmund had 4 second half goals and got 5 minutes of extra time@@blackafricanhustler
@rickystyles9891
People like you really do not pay close attention to matches. The official put up 2 minutes 10:30 into stoppage time. Bayern “scored” right before 12:30 into stoppage time. The Bayern players and coaches then surrounded the referee and a card was shown to a Bayern coach causing the match to be delayed for another minute. People like you need to actually pay closer attention before posting this type of nonsense.
I remember this Harry Kane Sub issue, Pep did some with Halaand and Debryune. Game over!
I am with Stevie on Nauer is responsible for the loss of Bayern full stop. I couldn't believe on Nauer's blunder.
Bayern lost the game that they were winning..Who should take the blame??? Bayern...End of discussion.
Vardrid
@hamzazaheer7030 have some salt🧂, added to ur food, and eat peacefully. Don't drop tears in the food it will spoil it.
Those lacking brain cells will blame the ref.
Yep Neuer allowed Madrid back in and then they conceded another so quickly. They must look at themselves.
@@kevinpillay6103he saved them from a 5.0 defeat tho
The whole match was madrid vs neuer
That Milan '05 line-up was insane!! 🔥
Milan of the 90s far better. Europe's most dominant team . 2005 team won just once against a poor Liverpool side. That 90s team had an aura like no other in Europe.
That final still hurts
@@kevinpillay6103dude the qc milan 20s side got 3 finals in 3 years
Prime pirlo kaka shev nesta Maldini...
Stevie getting karius flashbacks
😂😂😂😂😂
Bro are yall serious about all this??????? It was 15 minutes past!!!!!!! 15!!!!!! They shouldn’t even have been playing any longer!!!!!!! Can we debate how this referee didn’t want to stop the game until Bayern scored?!!!!!
They would never drag this story so much if we were at the receiving end! one of them even says its okay when it happened against Real Madrid in La Liga few weeks ago! these clowns!
Exactly 💯
Stoppage time is always a minimum. Interruptions can extend stoppage time.
The game was interrupted a lot, hence why the time extended. 😅 This is no excuse to justify that Madrid was gifted the final. But believe what you want
@@presidentcovfefethat’s another instance where there’s ref inconsistency, cuz some refs just stop at the exact time even if there were interruptions. Ref judgement is always arbitrary, they have way too much power on a game
that action should never happened, was in the 103 minute of a 99 agregate that was absolute madness
That's because RM were wasting time and the 2nd goal had a VAR check and pitch invasions when it was given. 9 mins of extra time but most of it wasn't played, hence the game went on for longer.
@@user-bp1be1yg2h the initali 9 minutes was because of Bayern cheating and wasting time for 30 minutes after they scored. They got the benefit of the over over over time that they created initially by cheating by wasting time. Its scandalous that the game even went on to 103 minutes.
Well if time was wasted for medical reasons then there is a limit for extra time . When +9 minutes were added then why was game extended. What is all 22 players start taking medical time out one by one would anyone extend that game for a much longer time .
@@user-bp1be1yg2h VAR and Gola together didn't took more than a min. That's another added min, 90+10. Ref added 2:30 seconds on top of that... 2.30 on top of original 10 is 25%. That's like adding 18 min extra time for a 90 min game. The game should have ended 101 min LATEST. Keep crying though, won't make any difference to me and my enjoyment of my team winning.
@@user-bp1be1yg2h you mean bayern was wasting time?
Why doesn't anyone talk about the 5 mins of extra time after the 9 mins of stoppage time? Referee was extremely generous there..
So you ignore the time spent on the offside debate and other times the game was stopped during extra time?
Joselu’s 2nd goal was literally scored one second after stoppage time started. Between the VAR review and celebrations after the goal was announced, play did not restart for three minutes until after the goal was initially scored. The first three minutes of stoppage time were literally not played. Rudiger faked a cramp for a minute during stoppage time and that minute was added on. Madrid did a substitution during stoppage time that took nearly a minute to complete. That minute was added on. Camavinga received a yellow card for tone wasting and kicking the ball away. That time was added on. Bayern protested after “scoring” 12:30 into stoppage time. All that protesting took up well over another minute.
Kane has managed to win nothing with bayern this season
Kane had a big chance to bury the score line at two nil up and he flopped his lines. Kane isn't a big stage striker in a big match moment. He has been a big disappointment indeed. Brought his bad luck from Tothaham he isn't an established big player in my own opinion.
@@senatoraguolu4773 you know He gave an assist for the first goal right
@@senatoraguolu4773 kane was the one who initiated most of the counter attacks Bayern had... Including the cross that led to phone's goal
Says more about the team than it does him, didn't he score 44 goals ?
@@senatoraguolu4773The hack are you on about bruv. Harry Kane wwd PHENOMENAL in that game. I know Premier League fans can be insufferable but that loss isn't on him
Madrid always gives ESPN Heart attack...
Sorry guys
He said lost bcz of referee lmfao
The same guy who gave bayern 16 min extra time to comeback
And even if bayern scored somehow it would be 2.2 and real will still win
That guy is a clown
😂😂
Kane squandered the chance when he side netted. It could have been the game done !!!
I think this panel forgot how Milan got absolutely robbed in the UCL final in the penalties with Liverpool goalie taking 2-3 steps outside of white line.
Give me a break. How many years ago was that and you're bringing that nonsense up? Liverpool won that match, Milan lost it. End of story.
@@delby66 Wow that really stirred you up. I am not taking anything away from Liverpool - obviously they played really well and took the game to the penalties. But you cant just ignore or forget that the fact that penalty shoot out was a joke and refs did a terrible job administering it.
@@delby66gerard dive?
I think you’re mentally handicapped and a salty little b*tch that Liverpool has more CL’s than your club. 🤪😂
Every single keeper did this for 60 years of european cup. The rule was there since ages but only since VAR they sanctionized it
Real Madrid also had a goal disallowed, but they did not shutdown and later complain how they were cheated. Instead Madrid threw everything plus the kitchen sink at Bayern, hoping the outcome will be in Madrid's favour. Bayern should have thrown everything plus kitchen sink and toilet sink at Real Madrid, coach and all. Mistakes and errors, regrettably, are currently part of football and all other sports. Only a dishonest person will deny this. The officials and facilities like VAR plus goal line technology are not there to create a perfect flow of events, but to reduce the occurence of errors as much as is possible, this, for the simple reason that a perfect flow is impossible given the officials themselves are humans prone to error. Even footballers themselves often try to influence officials by exerting pressure on officials to intentionally force them to error in their team's favor because they know being error prone is part of humans by default, and teams endeavor to incorporate it's utilization as a tactic for their desired outcome. The officials ofcourse try to avoid errors, but to expect the officials to succeed 100% all the time, especially in high pressure ties is unrealistic. Maybe, recent technologies such as A.I. and robots will, in the near future, bring that perfection we all seek.
Hence complaining after the final whistle is mostly a fools errand. Real Madrid understand this and so will fight till that last second, Bayern does not yet understand this, atleast they didn't show they did in this game.
Madrid is winning but they're not playing anything. As a big team we need good football from them
extra time was given for 9 min and it stayed till 14min and it gav bayern things to yell about
Tell me, is ESPN a tabloid? Tuchel has said that he had to substitute all three attackers (Kane, Sane & musiala) because all three complained of pain. Do you seriously think Tuchel would have substituted Musiala and Kane at this point? Voluntarily? NEVER.
Just shut up ESPN
All three at same game
Ahhh so weak players. Meanwhile Madrid players don’t cry like this.
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. Real also have a larger squad this season. Tuchel was never able to form a team because someone was injured every time. He was just rotating the whole season
@@Inversible100real had a lot of first team players injured no courtois militao or alaba and Vini jr was out for awhile also
so it's just a coincidence that all three attackers who probably had the worked least amount in the game suddenly got so injured that they couldnt continue for 10-15 mins in the biggest game of the season? I dont remember Harry Kane or any one else signaling towards the bench that he needed to be taken off or requested any medical attention for pain.
The analysis by the end with Vini & Mbappe is complete bonkers! Bonkers!
Loved this discussion.
Top shelf, gentlemen.
And well-moderated (as always) by Kay.
The game was won and lost by substitutions. Just see the players substituted by madrid and bayern. The players who came in the pitch for madrid was better than their main squad players and the players came for bayern made them more weak/vulnerable.
by the way that milan team was scary. Pirlo, kaka, seedorf ....OMG.
Tuchel took out his key players and paid dearly for it.
When you're playing a seemingly invincible team like Real Madrid, you have to be 100% at your best for the whole 90 minutes.
The import of this match, as related to real life scenario, is that you must not allow yourself to be discouraged by momentary setbacks, but continue to be dogged and resilient.
Victory is certain in the end.
@jackbernie7606
Kane (back) and Musiala (quadricep) were removed because of injuries. That was already reported over 24 hours ago and confirmed by Tuchel. These guys are very lazy with their punditry and don’t do basic research.
@@Photosoflife Sane was also injured. He's actually gone into the game with an injury to my knowledge
@@PhotosoflifeMosiala, Gnabry played while being unfit, never made sense regardless of Kane condition to keep him on with few minutes left only issue is bring Goretzka on for Mosiala instead of Muller
@@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed Sane and Musiala played on painkiller for weeks, in Sanes kase months even.
This is Ancelotti’s favorite squad of players ever because they’re not coach killers like most of these pretender teams in europe or in the past. They always try to win they don’t quit
It's just so frustrating hearing people say they got robbed... Robbed how? The referee blowed the whistle and play stopped that's all .... Just rest and focus on future challenges @bayern
Bayern Munich’s loss to Real Madrid yesterday was absolutely down to Thomas Tuchel making the wrong subs at the wrong time. That moment sums up their season in a nutshell. I understand that at the time he made those subs, Bayern Munich were up by a goal and they thought that the game had been won and they got to the final he wanted to preserve the lead by making a defensive change. While Real Madrid made a super substitution in Joselu who proved to be the hero of the game, taking out 3 of their best attacking players in Harry Kane their top scorer Jamal Musiala and Leroy Sane proved to backfire for them and no coincidence that a game that was in their hands they still managed to lose. Even if they stayed on the pitch, they never even had a chance of beating Real Madrid despite being up by a goal. Bayern Munich’s disappointing season is reaching its conclusion because they won’t any trophies, didn’t win the Bundesliga for the first time in years and they got knocked out of the Champions League by Real Madrid in yet another heartbreaking fashion for them. There are big changes that need to be made this summer because while their season isn’t as bad as you think it was because they got to the Champions League semifinals, a club of Bayern Munich’s caliber who consistently win trophies, won’t win anything and despite it being their first trophy less season since 2012, it’s simply unacceptable with how mediocre they’ve been they’ve lost games that they wouldn’t have lost, they’ve been unconvincing even when they’ve won and also Tuchel is responsible for some of this because his tactics are questionable and I don’t understand his substitutions.
I personally feel bad for Harry Kane as he can’t catch a break when it comes to trophies, I’m actually happy that Bayern Munich went trophy less it served them right for sacking Julian Nagelsmann last season and they were lucky not to go trophy less last season. Now with Tuchel leaving at the end of the season, nobody even knows Bayern Munich’s next manager. This is a club who’s supposed to be well ran and the owners of the club should know what they’re doing, but nobody wants to coach Bayern Munich and when someone like Ralf Rangnick is turning them down, you know the core issues that they have. In order to regain dominance and compete for trophies again, Bayern Munich need to hit the reset button and rejuvenate some of that squad and certain players need to go because you can’t have a new manager and be poor for a 3rd season in a row. You can’t go trophy less in 2 straight seasons meaning that it’s a summer of massive changes for Bayern Munich.
Madrid was much better the whole match and were going to score anyway
The only reason we're having these conversations is because the linesman rightly put his flag up, but too early. And De Ligt could score only because Real Madrid stopped playing after the whistle. Like He put the ball in essentially an open goal. And even if ge could score it, it'd have gone to extra time and Real would've scored 5 more against a Bayern that had Muller and Eric upfront. All these cause these 'pundits' can't see Real doing good cause they're doing everything they discarded and getting proved wrong.
I am a Madrid fan but I’ll admit Neuer costed them the game
There is zero chance Kane, Sane, or Musiala would admit that they wanted to be subbed off in the second leg of a champions League semifinal. Absolute joke of a decision to sub off all three.
You are absolutely correct sir!Maybe 1 player.These strikers play defensive roles indirectly cause Madrid defence werent gonna feel free to push up knowing Bayern strikers pose threat.Forget about refree decisions,blame Tuchel&Kimmich&Nauer.
TT is so overatted becuase he reached UCL finals ony when there were no fans in the grounds.
The shock was him subbing musiala not kane
All FOUR attackers were subbed off. I'm not gonna lie it is a bit suspicious to claim they were all injuries. Especially when Kim (CB) was subbed on for sané (winger)
@@user-bp1be1yg2hkim were subbed on because he replaced mazraoui as left back and mazraoui switched sides to right back to support kimmich. Since sane was the counter attack option, Kimmich was most of the time alone against vini jr. and we all know, that he was getting cooked.
First, that VAR on Kimmich is not really a foul and more a hustle between two players and Kimmich pretends to fall. Second, the extra time was longer than it was supposed to be anyway. And per Robson, it may have been a bad call, but it doesn't mean they would have scored if the whistle wasn't blown. On balance, Madrid deservedly through.
Jesus both hands to the neck and face and not a foul? Rewatch that disallowed goal, you couldn’t have meant that….
It’s the third time Real has gone through due to poor refereeing, Cristiano was 3 yards offside against Bayern and the goal was given, it was before VAR but still you’d expect a trained eye would’ve spotted a 4 yard offside.
“They might not have scored if the whistle has not gone”, same could be said they might have still scored if the whistle has not gone, that’s a bad argument all in all, poor logic from Stewart robson and mindless people eat it up.
Real might have played better and
“deserved” to go through, but if that’s the case why are we still watching football? Man City should’ve won every game and every UCL if we go by “deservedly”
1. Was 100% a foul on Kimmich, he rolled around like a baby, but he did so to draw attention to the play. Professional acting.
2. The time Added was actually correct. when the ref said there were 2 minutes left there was and should have been. The offside call occured within the 2 minute window. This should have been the last action of the match.
3. Madrid players obviously stopped playing. Militao was between the goals and the player and looked like he was avoiding the ball when is was kicked. Lunin didn't even bother diving.
4. Even if the play had been allowed to go on, its more likely Bayern would not have scored than the likelihood that they score.
5. If they score on that play and extra time is played, Bayern are impotent in attack. Probably Tuchel's fault, but maybe they were all tired and needed to be subbed.
6. The likelihood of keeping Madrid scoreless in the next 30 is very low.
The VAR decision on Kimmich is the correct call. I agree with Robson, Bayern is just clutching on straws when trying to hide the fact that they lost the match due to poor game management.
Suspicious decision waka waka
So hands to the face and a push is not a foul? Why can't fans be objective? It was a foul. Whether kimmich overindulged or not, his two hands were in his face/under his neck, and he pushed off. This isn't wrestling. It's football.
This VAR talking point is crazy. One of these days, the flag will stay down for an offside, the play goes on, and a player will get seriously injured in the intervening play. Then the narrative will absolutely change.
I'm not sure why nobody mentioned that De Ligh was actually offside, and the stupid referee added 6 extra minutes to the original 9 minutes of added time. The var review took only one minute and 20 seconds, and by the end of the 9 minutes, the refere raised his fingers, announcing 2 more minutes that would be added to the added time. and this offside incident happened approximately 3 1/2 minutes after the 9 minutes of add time!!
Because the ball was played to mazraoui who was onside. Then Muller passed it to de ligt who scored. The whistle also blew the second de ligt touched the ball.
@@animeshadhikary7802it's not like ball played to mazroui, it's like he pick the ball from the cross,
De ligt and mazra both very close, how do u say ball played to mazra,
The thing is refree made a mistake by not continue the play even if it's offside, VAR didn't review bcz of referee mistake, but they both offside for sure, but VAR won't review and see us the replay, bcz if that's onside we can't give the goal to Bayern, that's unfair to madrid
@@dhineshkumar7248 It was played to Mazraoui cause he did not even touch the ball as the defender headed it to Muller, who passed it De ligt, who was then onside for shot into goal. The referee did make a mistake and that goal should be awarded, even though he blew whistle early in which the play has not ended. The rules have changed a bit due to VAR. But VAR did not review that either.
Also add that when the ref blew the whistle, Madrid players stopped defending. Lunin didn’t even try stopping the show. Saying that it was a goal is a stretch. Maybe it was or maybe Militao cuts the pass or Lunin makes a save. We’ll never know.
@sivaramlord9151 I am not sure why you think it was played to Mazaroui not De Ligh? Both were in the same area and although both players didn't touch the ball, but they were interfering with Mendi's decision on where to play the ball! So they both can be offside if their positions are ahead of Real Madrid players. After that the flag then the whistle came and the ball is dead, Real Madrid players stopped, but for a reason or another Bayern players continue to play like nothing has happened and created all this nonsense drama!
kimmich market value was 70m before that game and now his 10m Vini jr is the person to blame justice for kimmich😂😂😂
@dior-pe3he
Kimmich is not a right back. He’s a defensive center mid. Something virtually no pundit has actually mentioned. He was playing out of position and has fallen out with Tuchel because he’s making him play right back instead of the 6 position.
@@Photosoflifekimmich is no where defensive midfielder player he played like midfielder the guy couldn't defend at all I never seen vini toying someone like that in ucl
@@PhotosoflifeTbh if neuer didn’t make that silly mistake nobody would’ve cared. It’s vini jr at the end of the day, there’s only so much you can do
@@Camavinga0612 Kimmich has played his entire career as a defensive center midfielder. He’s been playing as a right back under Tuchel and has fallen out with him as a result. Vini is very good, no doubt. But Kimmich is not actually a right back.
@@Photosoflife I agree with u the position he played but last night he was awful
Frank is absolutely bonkers here...Only reason Bayern scored is that all Madrid players stopped after the whistle...Get a life cry babies
Except they didn't even stop playing and you're just lying. Even Lunin still 100% focused on the ball but the shot was just too good + he's a dodgy goalkeeper.
@@ThomasSamoth-ls8ed please seek medical help you may have a brain tumor.
exactly the point
@@ThomasSamoth-ls8edyou’re lying, Madrid players have stopped playing, Militao didn’t even try !
@@ThomasSamoth-ls8edhe didn't even dive 🤣🤣🤣 the ref gave Bayern 15 mins of extra time. Absolute madness.
Yes the Ref made a mistake but in the end there was actually offside...so no robbery here.
The bottom line is that if Neur doesn't spill that shot. Bayern were still hot favourites to go through. Neur had one of his best games, but that mistake cost Bayern a place in the final. Simple.
De ligt’s English is sooo good!!!
Thank you Stewart Robson for calling out Bayern's payers for their flopping and injury faking. Also, if I ever hear TT discussed with the best managers, I will slap somebody!
they were not beaten because of referee mistakes, they were beaten because they played worse than Madrid full stop
You are missing the point mate… Madrid was definitely a better team in that game but in football it’s not always the case that better team win. That was huge mistake from referees and we don’t know what could’ve happened.
@@FitnessOutSideTheBox but most of the time the better team wins and thats how madrid won!!
Stupid talk.. mancity played better than Madrid but Madrid went tru.. so what's your point?
Bro UEFA released it was offiside , check bein sports@@FitnessOutSideTheBox
@@FitnessOutSideTheBox they do not get it.
I wonder how ref and linesmen who handled the process of Madrid’s 2nd goal offside situation correctly a few minutes later messed up the Bayern one. Is this why the ref put ridiculously long added minutes to compensate Bayern for his awful decision?
I wish Bayern had gone for goal#2
You can cry about it now 👀🤷♂️
German Tony Pulis 🤣
Who think Madrid just deserved it even if you a barca fan like me or who ever?!
If Bayern could win the game we would forget Ref’s mistake.
Nuer’s mistake was terrible
Well Bayern forgot that defending actually starts from the front three being able to hold the ball from the front, not adding bodies to the back and inviting a team like Madrid to keep attacking you LOL Besides, even with half a leg, Kane is the type of player that can play the penetrating pass to the front from a counter attacking position. So it makes zero sense to sub him off tbh
And Mr. Stevie, if he only subbed off Kane, yes it can be argued that he was injured. But he subbed off the entire front three, so its clear that it is a tactic not injury isn't it?
And gosh, look at that Madrid midfield and forwards, that is a scary prospect to come up against! And considering the character that those players represent, it really is an amazing squad.
Frank what are you talking about! The referee had nothing to do with the outcome. Yes he maybe wasn’t offside but the whistle blew a few seconds before De Ligt even had the shot!
Steve Nicol's comment about Nuer is absurd.
Certainly he cost Bayern a goal but that still left the tie even.
Not to mention that for the previous 80 mins it had been Madrid v Nuer.
He made a number of top class saves and were it not for him the match would have been over long before Madrid scored.
Nicol knows better than anyone else that you win and lose as a team.
And that includes a coach who in my estimation couldn't motivate a squad of players to go for a beer.
It doesn't work thus with football, goalkeeper mistakes are judged much more harshly and unfortunately Neuer has previous when it comes to concentration lapses in key moments. Muller's poorly weighted pass on the late counterattack was an equally damaging move but strikers get away with a lot more.
@@pritapp788 The point is that Neuer's error made the tie even. There was time for Bayern to score and go ahead. But Tuchel set the side up not to lose and it didn't work. Neuer's mistake on its own did not cost Bayern the match.
In the first half ,no one pass the ball to kane, he was open all the time and they keep playing the ball around,Sane never pass to kane ,if given the chance to go one on one many times,kane would have scored, and real Madrid 2nd goal is clear offside
17:07 Come on Stevie lets not act like Tuchel doesn't make weird or bad decisions he alienated Goretzka and Kimmich until he needed them. I have no doubt he planned to park the bus because he got the lead late. It was a massive blunder. Goretzka size was pefect for this game. Tuchel failed big time
SOFT CALL ON NACHO VS KIMMICH AND NOBODY SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT
Hahaha totally true. Look at how long he was down for - getting treatment from the medical staff as well. It's amazing. That's always the way german teams work. Always. I mean, ultimately Nacho needs to not put his hands on Kimmich's face because they're going to give a foul if a goal goes in, but yeah, totally soft.
In the comparison of teams they are wrong. Only Milan's defense, which was exceptionally good, is better than that of current Madrid. And they have only compared with 11 players and without realizing that in the case of Milan they are comparing entire careers while many of the Madrid players are very young and already world-class. Kross, Modric, Bellingham, Valverde and Camavinga are better midfielders than those of Milan, and Vinicius and Rodrigo are at least at the level of Shevchenko and Crespo. In fact, they are better than them at their age.
I fully agree. They say "Maybe, only maybe, Modric or Kroos for Gattuso"! Modric is in the top 3 midfielders in all of history. Kaká and Seedorf have played for Real Madrid for years and were not even close to the level of Kross and Modric. And Bellingham has just turned 20 and is already aspiring to the Ballon d'Or.
Real let in 4 goals to City, 3 against Bayern, 2 and against Barca. 2 goals disallowed too.
@@callofdutyguy9 And? As I said, only Milan's defense is better than that of current Madrid. By the way, City, Bayern and Barca have fallen to Madrid this season. Madrid has only lost to 1 team this season in all competitions. It is already a League and Super Cup champion and is in the Champions League Final again.
@@omenow In addition, Real Madrid has suffered serious injuries this year to, among others, Courtois, Militao and Alaba, 3 of the 5 starting players in its defense.
@@omenow Madrid defense isn’t stonewall. They are fortunate their opponents are just as leaky on defense and get outscored. Barca should have at least tied and had their goal disallowed in La Liga.
Always knew that Sid Lowe is a Barca apologetic. Look at all the emotions dripping from his face lmao.
He's been for a very long time, him and Garcia come out here and just spout Barca talking points. M
The pangs of pain in this panel is significant.... You can feel it
How is Tuchel so horrified, even if the referee went to VAR to view that, it was still going to be offside. What is the big deal? the right decision was made
yeah it looked offside.... so you right
A bad referee decision masking the magnificent Real Madrid performance. And Bayern all over place blaming the ref masking their poor performance and lack of motivation to even go forward. Just disgraceful
In the round of 16 against Leipzig, an incredible whistle against a German team also went for Real. Real has so much help from the referee, what's wrong?
Let’s be real everyone know the second goal is straight offside
Is no one gonna mention madrid stopped playing which allowed De ligt to score? Lunin didn't even make an attempt. If the ref had allowed the game to flow De ligt wouldn't have scored.
We didn't even protest when KDB scored a banger at bernabeu... The ball was clearly out when Bernardo trying to recover the ball.... But it is what it is... Here haters keep barking.
Those are clowns mate let them cry even more
A suffering ManUtd fan here, guys listen if you saw that game you’d be gutted how we are all focusing on that last error.
Real Madrid played their socks off! Absolutely deserved to go through, couldn’t help but applaud them, especially Vini Jnr - who I think doesn’t get enough mention since Jude joined them obviously due to the great British hype 🤣
Who says that Bayern would have scored, but who can also say that they wouldn't have scored? You don't know. It was a clear mistake by the referees and that happening in a half finale where 2 of the best teams in the world plays against each other is just crazy. Honestly, that was an amateur mistake by the referees as always, the referee need wait how it plays out and then whistle.
Modric > Pirlo.
Should be fairly obvious even though Pirlo was great
As a player pirlo is clear but as workhorse modric is better
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@@willg1088 pilo clear of modric?? stop that nonsense! Modric vini coutois and kroos easily starts in that milan squad!!
You obviously just started watching football. You young fans suffer from recency bias. You could plug Pirlo into Modric's role, but Modric cannot play DM.
Maybe Tuchel should look from within and ask himself maybe he didn’t need to make those subs…
Or tell at nuer for not being able to make a high school level save and not give up a rebound
Mistake in translation: "Alle müssen ans Limit" does not mean "Everyone has a limit". It means literally "Everyone needs to go to the limit" in such a game. He means everyone including the referees needs to have the spirit to perform extraordinarily in a high stake game.
17:48 @espnfc why do you cut stewart robson from twlking thats so disrespectful. Him and stevie were having a good discussion. This needs to be better
Nobody knows if the goal would have taken place. Linkin stopped playing as did some of the defenders as soon as they heard the whistle.
Tuchel angry on himself not referees, De Ligt is right is not all about referees they don’t deserve to win it that’ll.
Anchelotti is having some recency bais to. All this madrid squad the best squad he has worked with.
with respect to the AC Milan squad they are at their peak of their careers. KROOS and Modric walks into any XI whatsoever no debate. Majority of the other players are still in their formative years and they are playing at the highest level. If that's factored in that's a different conversation.
Stevie hit the nail on the head. Nuyer is the reason Bayern are not in the final... period.
Any coach that will play Nuyer again is crazy. He let the entire team down when they needed him most.
It happened to Liverpool , Juventus , Milan, Chelsea and many more ancient huge clubs. Get over it and play better next time.
I agree the desicion was made too early but replays show he was likely just offside. Close one but i think would still have been given as offside. And we will never know if the goal would have happened had it been play on.
ESPN doing business at the refree's expense. None of these biased panelists care to mention that the refree was right in the ultimate decision that it was an offside. Given it was offside, reference to VAR or not matters very little and doesn't impact the outcome.
Ikr shame on them but then again that's ESPN they have to play to the gallery.
Mazraoui wasnt offside due to Rüdigers right foot though.
tuchel lost the match with the subs, the whole game you were under pressure. Can’t blame the linesman for 1 call that might or might not have scored at 12+ added time when it was meant to be only 9+ and then another 2+. So how did it go on that long? How did the game finish at 14-15+??
100% Tuchel's loss. He's actually lucky the refs blundered as bad as they did.
The time added was 100% correct though. The offside debacle should have been the last play of the match. The final minute post commotion should not have been played.
Tuchel said that Sané, Kane, Musiala und (obviously) Gnabry were subbed because of injury or exhaustion and all of them had to be subbed. Not a voluntary decision.
So it's not on Tuchel and just an ongoing problem at Bayern this season.
Tuchel literally said his starting front 4 were all injured 1 way or another so he had no choice. You could argue that Kim at LB & Mazraoui at RW wasn’t the best call & happened to early but that is about it.
Also, Ancelotti is a genius cos an ex Stoke ST scored a rebound from a mistake & a tap in after replacing Rodrygo while Tuchel is criticised cos he replaced an INJURED KANE with a Stoke ST. 😂😂😂
Why is Tuchel getting hate for his subs? Kane, Musiala, and Sane were all injured so it would have been dumb to keep them on. Once again ESPN are a bunch of clowns.
Look who he bring they took out sane for Kim min jae when he had goretzka in the bench, muller for musiala is quite fine, and he bring out choupo moting instead tel or other player who play in front who had pace and he took out gnarby for Davies fine he scored a goal for Munchen but took out one of ur attacker especially in 27 minutes cus injury? Yeah basically after gnarby out, he plays with 2 full back type players in Davies and mazraoui and in the second half he bring Kim who a centre back in 78 minutes like the match is still 12 minutes left and u bring in defender like that? Against Real Madrid? I think city and Chelsea do that against Madrid and doesn't work at all
@@gilanganugrahfajar5502kim is a center back but he also played left back against arsenal. Kim replaced mazraoui as left back and mazraoui switched to the right side, which is not only his natural position but he also to provide support fot Kimmich, who was getting cooked the entire game.
also yes he played both mazraoui and davies but davies was a winger before his bayern times. also he played mazraoui and gurreiro, again two fullbacks against arsenal and those two were better than every left side winger, bayern has in the squad.
@@ungol9 the question is why u take sane out for Kim? U can take out pavlovic and bring Kim, goretzka for sane and play like u said Kim in the left mazraoui in right and kimmich play in DM with laimer
Absolute nonsense musiala sane and kane played injured and asked to be taken off 😂
Tuchel wanted to park the bus and in doing so Bayern were toothless in the attack when they needed a turn around
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Steve Nicol keep it Up! You have a point.
Cbssports talked about this decision of refee in details on neutral ground i accept same from espn
The officials knew exactly what they were doing. That was not a mistake at all😌
Well done Madrid, well deserved.
No good deed goes unpunished. The ref tried to give Bayern extra minutes which didn’t make sense at all and that ended up putting his reputation in dispute.
TUCHEL IS THE BLAME HE TOOK OFF ALL HIS ATTACKERS HE MADDDDD
We need to stop talking about this non sense . The referee whistled the offside position and this Bayern Munich wasn’t even supposed to kick the ball because real players stopped playing and Bayern would go to kick the ball when real players stopped playing. This is non sense .
You are writing non sense get the f**k off
The non sense is kepp winning with referees mistakes over and over every single game
bu-but the barca fans on twitter say Madrid should return their 15 ucls😢😢😢😂
The linesman is clear that 2 BM players are offside, they made a move before BM player kicked the ball. It's easy to blame referees for everything.
Remember when van persi got à red for keep playing while the ref Blown the whistle in 2011?
It was the right decision from the referrie. so blowing the whisle is not as wrong as all of the pundit said
why?
The mistake is entirely on the linesman
He could have waited like they do these days and then see what happened. Look they made an error but was not robbery. In fact the chances are if that went the normal way and too VAR he may have been given offside anyway as it looked every so slightly offside. But I prefer Madrid vs Dortmund than an all German final.
@@thatsuckzso3734van persi got a red card against barca in 2011 bcz he kept playing while the ref Blown the wistle
@@kevinpillay6103waited? He said 9min added then gave them 16 min
You want him to give bayern another 45min?
13:44 this is the Stevie Nicol show not ESPN FC
idk how come so many people think the linesman is unsure. he raised his flag with 100% confidence that BM player was offside. even watching from tv it was quite an obvious offside.
With bayern whole season, losing to mid to bottom table teams. They don't deserve any silverware!! Well done madrid
Bayern and Tuchel absolutely found their lifeline of an excuse to cling to.
Even if Real was way better, it kinda sucks to be robbed of a good opportunity to get a goal.
maybe because Vardrid robbing them continuesly and keep getting away with it .
@@Aka0ne1 you can tell it took all 2 brain cells to conjure up that comment
@@Chris24_ you can tell the facts hurts your empty head lil boy
@@Aka0ne1 the facts? The only facts here is my comments hurt your feelings so much your typing through a veil of tears. “Lil boy” lmao that’s your type eh?
LMAO @ 17:00 Stevie finally figuring out Tuchel tactics
Since we are talking about ifs, then and buts let me give you few if situations for you.
1) if Bayern scored on the 14th min of extra time while the game should have ended after 11 (we all clearly saw ref add 2 extra mins on the initial 9 after which no time was wasted) how fair would have been on Real Madrid players and fans. Should Madrid played chase the ref?
2) if Madrid players didn’t stop playing after the whistle went off, would Muller be able to get the ball with his head? Would De Light get the ball, would Lunin stay still and watch a weak shot go right by him?
3) if De Light stopped playing after the whistle like every player must do, would we even have this conversation
4) if it was offside or not it was the wrong decision by linesman and ref to react quickly but that doesn’t change the fact that the whistle went off and everything. After the whistle is irrelevant
5) if Rudiger fouled De Lught inside the box after the whistle went off, would Bayern demand a penalty like they demanded a goal?
The ref in 90 + 10 raised his hand to add 2 minutes. and he played 6 mins. And also no one can guarantee the ball would have scored if the whistle wasn't blown. The players didn't react.