In the past, that would have been a red, but this past year they have softened on these which Andrew quotes. What I do think is that if Davis had dropped to his knees and cried like all the other babies do that there's a decent chance that would have been red....unfortunately.
Yeah, any time you see someone’s head move in response to contact like that, it’s a potential concussion. Soccer officials are supposed to be trained on this, and yet they blew it off. Not cool.
Any headbutt is excessive force, especially to another players head. A "negligible headbutt" is a nonsense phrase, the only negligible headbutt is no headbutt at all. Headbutts are 100% not part of the game and that that last play should be a red
"Seattle, Sporting Kansas City". Lol Weibe. Wrong acronym. Shoulda been "St Louis, Sporting Kansas City". Also, a deliberate headbutt not during the run of play (so you can't claim you were going for the ball) should be a red card with zero regard for force. Get that stuff out of the game.
Or maybe just needs a clarification on what negligible is. To me, negligible means so little it's hard to tell whether it even happened, which wouldn't be this. So I would say this is minor contact but not negligible contact. I don't think it's the worst thing to keep the refs options open for game management if someone merely brushes another players head. EDIT: my reasoning being that if everything becomes an automatic red, at some point you might as well just sock em when you're angry, if you're gonna get the red anyway. (Better not to touch em at all, of course, but you see what I'm getting at)
@@jacobcriss5624 I think a hockey player would faint if you asked them to play for 90 minutes without changing their lines and also took away their pads and helmet. Comparing the two sports doesn't really make any sense.
good call. While we’re at it, every time a player puts his hand on an opponent, it’s violent conduct. Send everyone off every match. Soon we’ll be playing tiddlywinks.
@@jacobcriss5624Don’t be a jerk. That’s not what he’s saying and you know it. That headbutt was a violent act, and it was intentional. There’s no excuse for that in the game.
There’s a difference between uncalled-for, rude, annoying; and violent. That was the former, and to call for a sending-off for that is goofy and pedantic. Davis should leave a little extra in the next tackle. Play on. Stop expecting the referee to police stuff like that. Hardly Zidane in the World Cup final.
@@jacobcriss5624 It was inherently violent. There was nothing about it that could remotely be considered part of soccer. There is no room for it in the game. As someone with medical training, I would have Davis go through concussion assessment. There was a lot of acceleration in that impact, even though there wasn’t a lot of displacement.
Holy crap I am a city fan and this is the first time I am getting to see what happened. I agree that the rules say Yellow but that is such a dick move it deserves a red. Send a message.
If you broaden your view in that Columbus play, Molina is shoved down in the box right before the so called Cucho foul. So two fouls in the box on Columbus and one against Columbus. Should have been a pk before those two plays
I've seen many players get red for vioent conduct when forehead to forehead with another player and they just nudge the other player. Saying that headbutt was anything but red is preposterous.
Arroyo , red. Late. missed. Left his feet. studs up. Contact. RED all day long. Question Weibe. If I punch your face with the same force as Markanich's head butt... what color would you give? If I spit at you and mostly miss, ... what color card is it ?
If you punched someone with the force of Markanich’s headbutt, you should be laughed at and given no card at all. No idea how half of this comment section survived middle school.
@4:30 Afain, no. Rhis is NOT "tackle coming in late". He starts the tackle as the ball is in noone's possession and he misses only by 1/10th of a second. He also hits at the shoe level. This is clearly a yellow card and a yellow card only. Not even considering a red.
I mean he is pretty late considering he doesn't touch the ball at all. Doesn't matter if his intention was to go for the ball, he severely misjudged it and hit all player. Good on him though for doing what he could to pull out before he cause a serious injury.
Markanich absolutely deserved a red card for that head butt. I'm not erring on the side of anything other than he's trying to be clever about his violent conduct.
"But if you look around and broaden your scope a little bit more", but then completely ignores the other Crew player being pushed to the ground in the box before anything else happens... This segment 😂😂😂 Everyone, just understand that the MLS refs are always right and no one will ever correct them or hold them accountable. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Nothing is going to change.
An Inter Miami player should’ve been sent off but wasn’t?? Imagine my shock! On an unrelated note, how much would it benefit MLS financially for Messi to be in the playoffs?
Only through any additional AppleTV subscriptions and jersey sales, otherwise it wouldn’t. Unless they make the final and then MLS controls the ticket sales and pricing.
@@jacobcriss5624 true, but that would benefit Apple, not MLS. Apple paid big money for the rights to broadcast. It’s up to them to turn that in to a profit.
I still question if he was pulled back or he was leaning into the defender. I've had attackers lean back into me like that and get a PK called. That right arm does look like it is likely pulling, but I'm not overly convinced the attacker didn't feel that and go down to draw the foul. And and Andrew pointed out, that slide a second before likely would have negated the PK anyway. Yeah, it'd be nice to have this 'right' (say there was a PK and then say there was a foul in the APP), but that would have just delayed the game to get to essentially the same restart.
They do check every foul. They look at every single incident on the field. They review anything themselves that needs reviewing. The ones they think are clear and obvious errors they inform the center referee an on field review is needed. What more are you asking for?
@2:50 No, the attacker was pushed and did NOT go down on his own. He didn't just slide towards the defender. He was pushed. The decision should have been a PK.
Miami is full of dirty ass players. They are ALWAYS getting away with 2 red cards a game not being awarded to their players. And this was going on MONTHS before Messi arrived.
PLEASE STOP SAYING "IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED." ALL PLAYS ARE REVIEWED BY THE VAR. Sorry, it just bugs me when even people who should know better say that (especially when Wiebe then mentions WHY the VAR would not have found a clear and obvious error). The VAR and AVAR review all 90 minutes of the match. ONLY when their review finds a clear and obvious error in one of the four VAR categories does the VAR then tell the CR that they should go check it out. DAMN.
"Coucho got the foul first" except he got ball. Instant Replay's bias is most apparent by their missed calls. They're going to have a Liverpool situation before they learn their lesson. Instant Replay is a joke.
@traciebaugus4544 exactly. He says to broaden your scope lol. Well if you broaden it a bit further you would see a foul on Yah. If he wasn't shoved down, he would have got to that ball before Cucho made that tackle. He would have had an open shot in front of the 6
Something needs to be changed about the DOGSO rule if that isn't a red. It would have been one thing if Carranza was able to get up and get to the ball, but the fact that another offensive player was able to get to the ball before any defender doesn't negate the fact that the initial foul was DOGSO. Also, why no mention of the earlier PK question where VAR sent the ref for review but the ref stuck with his original call?
The issue with his arm? No chance. Ball kicked less than a meter from him with force and may have even hit something on the way to the arm. I agree send him off for the DOGSO, but that first complaint was a big pot of nuthin. Respect Union 🤝
But the defender didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity. He may have actually created a better one. I get what you're saying. Fair or not, this is how it has always been. You can't got back and punish for DOGSO on an advantage given because of a strong goal scoring opportunity. I don't think it should matter if the advantage was for the same player fouled or another one like in this case.
Carranza fouled first. He’s all over Amundsen prior to Amundsen pulling him down. If the later PK shout is nullified because of a prior foul, then this DOGSO shout is also nullified. The yellow wasn’t even justified. No call or foul on Carranza.
it wasn’t Denial of a Goal-Scoring Opportunity because the attacking team… wasn’t denied a goal-scoring opportunity. they indeed had a goal-scoring opportunity. It was punished as a tactical foul.
Hope nothing but the worst for Philadelphia Onions, but Ramirez was leaning back into the defender hoping for a call. Happens all the time, and it usually works. Glad it didn’t.
Elliot definitely pulled him down. Sorry, but why would Ramirez flop when he had a sitter goal opportunity? That’s just not realistic (plus, it’s really obvious Elliott pulled him down).
Source? My quick search of EPL vs MLS showed EPL much higher. EPL 22/23 season: 29 reds on 380 games = 0.076 per game (or one red every 13 games) MLS this season: 78 reds on 450 games = 0.173 per game (or one red every 5.8 games) MLS has over twice as many per game.
If Davis had less integrity, he could have gone down like a sack of potatoes and drawn the red.
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This. You can't depend on the reaction of the player to determine severity. Not everyone exaggerates contact. Straight red.
Thanks to those referees and this kind of commentary, Davis will learn his lesson and overreact next time.
That headbutt had way more force in it than many I've seen red cards given for. I think it's a clear red.
In the past, that would have been a red, but this past year they have softened on these which Andrew quotes.
What I do think is that if Davis had dropped to his knees and cried like all the other babies do that there's a decent chance that would have been red....unfortunately.
Yeah, any time you see someone’s head move in response to contact like that, it’s a potential concussion. Soccer officials are supposed to be trained on this, and yet they blew it off. Not cool.
@@DukeTrout Exactly right. The League needs to rescind the yellow. Suspend too. Textbook def of violent.
Just shows how bad MLS and PRO refs are that there was no red or any review.
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Any headbutt is excessive force, especially to another players head. A "negligible headbutt" is a nonsense phrase, the only negligible headbutt is no headbutt at all. Headbutts are 100% not part of the game and that that last play should be a red
"Seattle, Sporting Kansas City". Lol Weibe. Wrong acronym. Shoulda been "St Louis, Sporting Kansas City".
Also, a deliberate headbutt not during the run of play (so you can't claim you were going for the ball) should be a red card with zero regard for force. Get that stuff out of the game.
Or maybe just needs a clarification on what negligible is. To me, negligible means so little it's hard to tell whether it even happened, which wouldn't be this. So I would say this is minor contact but not negligible contact. I don't think it's the worst thing to keep the refs options open for game management if someone merely brushes another players head.
EDIT: my reasoning being that if everything becomes an automatic red, at some point you might as well just sock em when you're angry, if you're gonna get the red anyway. (Better not to touch em at all, of course, but you see what I'm getting at)
I think you would faint if you watched hockey.
@@jacobcriss5624🤣 i do faint when I watch hockey. Barbaric hahaha
@@jacobcriss5624 I love hockey and go to games all the time. Soccer is a different sport altogether and does not tolerate fighting.
@@jacobcriss5624 I think a hockey player would faint if you asked them to play for 90 minutes without changing their lines and also took away their pads and helmet. Comparing the two sports doesn't really make any sense.
Well, I guess the league needs to introduce a “Force” meter now. Head butt is a head butt and is clearly seen in the replay.
good call. While we’re at it, every time a player puts his hand on an opponent, it’s violent conduct. Send everyone off every match. Soon we’ll be playing tiddlywinks.
@@jacobcriss5624Don’t be a jerk. That’s not what he’s saying and you know it. That headbutt was a violent act, and it was intentional. There’s no excuse for that in the game.
There’s a difference between uncalled-for, rude, annoying; and violent. That was the former, and to call for a sending-off for that is goofy and pedantic. Davis should leave a little extra in the next tackle. Play on. Stop expecting the referee to police stuff like that. Hardly Zidane in the World Cup final.
@@jacobcriss5624 It was inherently violent. There was nothing about it that could remotely be considered part of soccer. There is no room for it in the game. As someone with medical training, I would have Davis go through concussion assessment. There was a lot of acceleration in that impact, even though there wasn’t a lot of displacement.
evalutaing how hard a headbutt is, is nonsense. all headbutts are red, headbutts aren't part of the game and are violent conduct, pure and simple
Holy crap I am a city fan and this is the first time I am getting to see what happened. I agree that the rules say Yellow but that is such a dick move it deserves a red. Send a message.
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If you broaden your view in that Columbus play, Molina is shoved down in the box right before the so called Cucho foul. So two fouls in the box on Columbus and one against Columbus. Should have been a pk before those two plays
That guy just needs to be stronger
Yeboah was fouled in the box before Cucho fouled
I've seen many players get red for vioent conduct when forehead to forehead with another player and they just nudge the other player. Saying that headbutt was anything but red is preposterous.
what’s preposterous is sending players off for forehead nudges. We need less of those decisions in the game, not more.
@@jacobcriss5624 both are preposterous, forehead nudges aren't necessarily reds but headbutts like the one in this video are
Arroyo , red. Late. missed. Left his feet. studs up. Contact. RED all day long.
Question Weibe. If I punch your face with the same force as Markanich's head butt... what color would you give? If I spit at you and mostly miss, ... what color card is it ?
Not yellow.
If you punched someone with the force of Markanich’s headbutt, you should be laughed at and given no card at all. No idea how half of this comment section survived middle school.
Wasn't there a possible dogso in NYCFC vs MIAMI FC when they fouled Santi Rodriguez
On weeks when my team doesn't play, I can't wait for this video.
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Afain, no. Rhis is NOT "tackle coming in late". He starts the tackle as the ball is in noone's possession and he misses only by 1/10th of a second. He also hits at the shoe level. This is clearly a yellow card and a yellow card only. Not even considering a red.
I mean he is pretty late considering he doesn't touch the ball at all. Doesn't matter if his intention was to go for the ball, he severely misjudged it and hit all player. Good on him though for doing what he could to pull out before he cause a serious injury.
Markanich absolutely deserved a red card for that head butt. I'm not erring on the side of anything other than he's trying to be clever about his violent conduct.
Headbutt, regardless of force is an automatic sending off. On replay, you see the KC player's head get contact. Easy red imo.
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5:36 it’s St Louis CITY not Seattle
Good coverage
I'm surprised nobody is talking about how Santiago Moreno was straight legged tackled from behind with cleats exposed with no repercussions
"But if you look around and broaden your scope a little bit more", but then completely ignores the other Crew player being pushed to the ground in the box before anything else happens...
This segment 😂😂😂
Everyone, just understand that the MLS refs are always right and no one will ever correct them or hold them accountable. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Nothing is going to change.
That guy needs to be stronger, he didnt even complain, he knows he was just weaker
Davis should have just went down screaming in pain. Would have been a red then. But since he didn’t fall down the head but is only a yellow
Funny, pulido got a red for an accident that touched someones face while stl purposely headbutts and no red? You need to work on consistency
An Inter Miami player should’ve been sent off but wasn’t?? Imagine my shock! On an unrelated note, how much would it benefit MLS financially for Messi to be in the playoffs?
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Only through any additional AppleTV subscriptions and jersey sales, otherwise it wouldn’t. Unless they make the final and then MLS controls the ticket sales and pricing.
those TV ad spots become exponentially more valuable with Messi involved.
@@jacobcriss5624 true, but that would benefit Apple, not MLS. Apple paid big money for the rights to broadcast. It’s up to them to turn that in to a profit.
How does the Ramirez PK not get called on the field or sent to VAR?! How does a defender get away with having both arms wrapped around a player…
Ramirez fell back into him
@@jacobcriss5624how did he fall backwards “untouched” with a sitter right in front of him. Dude a dog
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I still question if he was pulled back or he was leaning into the defender. I've had attackers lean back into me like that and get a PK called. That right arm does look like it is likely pulling, but I'm not overly convinced the attacker didn't feel that and go down to draw the foul.
And and Andrew pointed out, that slide a second before likely would have negated the PK anyway. Yeah, it'd be nice to have this 'right' (say there was a PK and then say there was a foul in the APP), but that would have just delayed the game to get to essentially the same restart.
Yeboah was fouled in the box before Cucho fouled
I don't get why don't VAR check every foul and send ref to check it. Like big fouls
They do check every foul. They look at every single incident on the field. They review anything themselves that needs reviewing. The ones they think are clear and obvious errors they inform the center referee an on field review is needed.
What more are you asking for?
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No, the attacker was pushed and did NOT go down on his own. He didn't just slide towards the defender. He was pushed. The decision should have been a PK.
Wrong, the commentator is talking about 2:58.
Tapped that weak ass foo to the floor
@@jonathanmendez5922doesn't matter there was a foul on Philly before cucho's foul
@@traciebaugus4544 which one? timestamp?
@@jonathanmendez59222:13 3:12
these are interesting but the back and forth on what is a red card worthy foul from week to week is inconsistent.
You said Seattle instead of St. Louis
Starting to look forward to this video each week. Love it!
Miami not receiving a red card again? It's every week.
Atlanta, Seattle, NYCFC, several others would all get a red on that tackle in a heartbeat.
If Giakoumakis tackled someone like that, he’d be arrested and probably executed.
Miami is full of dirty ass players. They are ALWAYS getting away with 2 red cards a game not being awarded to their players. And this was going on MONTHS before Messi arrived.
When you realize MLS owns this and doesn’t want a bad word for their refs
Yeah, this segment is getting worse and worse... no comment on the Galaxy game takedowns!
this was a particularly bad one. Wiebe is bending over backwards to excuse calls instead of just calling them incorrect
I don't want players to have to flop to get a deserved call. Is that headbutt "negligible"? No!! Red card for Markanich for unsporting behavior.
Agree, but for the record unsporting behavior is a yellow card. This would be violent conduct.
PLEASE STOP SAYING "IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED." ALL PLAYS ARE REVIEWED BY THE VAR.
Sorry, it just bugs me when even people who should know better say that (especially when Wiebe then mentions WHY the VAR would not have found a clear and obvious error). The VAR and AVAR review all 90 minutes of the match. ONLY when their review finds a clear and obvious error in one of the four VAR categories does the VAR then tell the CR that they should go check it out. DAMN.
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Has to be a red for StL. If that isn’t a red, then not much is
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"Coucho got the foul first" except he got ball.
Instant Replay's bias is most apparent by their missed calls.
They're going to have a Liverpool situation before they learn their lesson.
Instant Replay is a joke.
Agree
Where tf did he get the ball
Yeboah was fouled in the box before Cucho fouled
@traciebaugus4544 exactly. He says to broaden your scope lol. Well if you broaden it a bit further you would see a foul on Yah. If he wasn't shoved down, he would have got to that ball before Cucho made that tackle. He would have had an open shot in front of the 6
Something needs to be changed about the DOGSO rule if that isn't a red. It would have been one thing if Carranza was able to get up and get to the ball, but the fact that another offensive player was able to get to the ball before any defender doesn't negate the fact that the initial foul was DOGSO. Also, why no mention of the earlier PK question where VAR sent the ref for review but the ref stuck with his original call?
The issue with his arm? No chance. Ball kicked less than a meter from him with force and may have even hit something on the way to the arm. I agree send him off for the DOGSO, but that first complaint was a big pot of nuthin. Respect Union 🤝
But the defender didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity. He may have actually created a better one.
I get what you're saying. Fair or not, this is how it has always been. You can't got back and punish for DOGSO on an advantage given because of a strong goal scoring opportunity. I don't think it should matter if the advantage was for the same player fouled or another one like in this case.
Carranza fouled first. He’s all over Amundsen prior to Amundsen pulling him down. If the later PK shout is nullified because of a prior foul, then this DOGSO shout is also nullified. The yellow wasn’t even justified. No call or foul on Carranza.
it wasn’t Denial of a Goal-Scoring Opportunity because the attacking team… wasn’t denied a goal-scoring opportunity. they indeed had a goal-scoring opportunity. It was punished as a tactical foul.
@@jacobcriss5624 It wasn’t even that. The first foul was on the attacker, not the defender.
Also can’t give Miami a red card. Garber needs them to be in the playoffs
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Another missed miami red card, shocking
Hope nothing but the worst for Philadelphia Onions, but Ramirez was leaning back into the defender hoping for a call. Happens all the time, and it usually works. Glad it didn’t.
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Elliot definitely pulled him down. Sorry, but why would Ramirez flop when he had a sitter goal opportunity? That’s just not realistic (plus, it’s really obvious Elliott pulled him down).
Miami player escapes a justified red card, take a drink
MLS gives out less red cards than any big 5 league in Europe
Source? My quick search of EPL vs MLS showed EPL much higher.
EPL 22/23 season: 29 reds on 380 games = 0.076 per game (or one red every 13 games)
MLS this season: 78 reds on 450 games = 0.173 per game (or one red every 5.8 games)
MLS has over twice as many per game.
@@MrCho14 a quick search shows la Liga at .4. It's not surprising abou TV the EPL. Championship is much higher
@@nochepatada Okay, but your statement is still false as EPL clearly is a big 5 league. Championship is clearly not.
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Looks like ramierez is leaning into elliott so i think ramierez causes elliott to go down
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