1:10 vs 1:26 1:38 vs 2:39 5:27 vs 6:12 *When you play these clips back and forth, over and over, you can hear the LL16/LLX16 is a bit more bright with a bit more midrange. But that is all there is for audible differences. You can change that by changing string gauge and the material they are made from, as well as the engineered style. Ie: flat wound, round wound or D'addrio silk strings vs silver coated vs copper coated vs nickel coated, etc.*
I have both the LL6 and the LL16. The LL6 was less expensive because it has laminate back and sides, but to look at them and play each of them, there's no compromise on quality. They're both excellent guitars. To be quite honest, to my ears I like the sound of my LL6 a little more. But that's just my own opinion.
Wow! Your side by side comparison was the deciding factor in an ongoing debate with myself over which one I wanted... I made up my mind that I am going with the LL16. Thanks for the help. And you sound great 👍 keep posting we are watching!
I played in a shop the ARE version of both: the difference is really big in favour of the LL16 ! Much more brightness and volume. The LL6 is very nice neverthless and it could be compared to Seagull S6 spruce; I prefer it over the Epiphone masterbilt ( that I also tested). What I liked from Yamaha ll models I tried is the playablity of the neck: IMHO better then the Seagull one.
Great review! You still have both guitars. It’s been a while since you did this review. Ll6 sounds to be warmer which i actually like better. Have the ll6 right now on 45 day trail from guitar center. It’s used 2014 model excellent condition. What would nice to see a review between the newer fg830 and the ll6. You ever played them back to back . Hey man again a great review. Thanks ! Jeff Clark from Rockdale Texas
Hello Sir, I feel that the LL16 is more balanced while the LL6 has less bass and treble. The LL6 feels brighter. Of course, I am not a guitar player (but I hope to buy my first guitar soon). Thanks a lot!!!.
LL6 I favour maybe bc it is a natural… on the other side the sun burst makes a great looking guitar and it still sounds great!!! I play a Yamaha FG5 I am a happy owner of any Yamaha Guitar and I a proud owner of an Old School Yamaha Classical guitar I learned from and found in many Music Rooms way back in the 1970s, decades old. Yamaha guitars are made reliable and sound great! Thanks for the Video Bud
Thanks man for your review, I am struggling on these two, LL6 sounds better in my opinion in clear notes playing, but I liked more LL16 for strumming and chord playing for its deeper and at least for my ear more interesting sound.
My guess is your ear prefers the compression that Yamaha’s laminate band and sides create. This sounds great with partial chords and even single note playing, but does muddy up the midrange when strumming. They’re definitely more forgiving to the player, but there’s little to no note separation.
Thanks for this. It would be interesting if you could set it up so people could close their eyes and not know which one you were playing. Let their ears decide. You could just introduce with “test 1 full picking” for example
I go for the cheaper 6 overall. A bit huskier. I've owned both and was more impressed with the 6 more for some reason. Profoundly informative, fine review here.
Both sound great and would be equal in different situations. LL6 has a drier compressed sound, great for recording, this video, it recorder great. I would like to hear the LL 16 after a few years, that guitar has more overtones and sustain. I like them both. 👍
The laminate back and sides do compress the sound nicely. Yamaha and Taylor have figured this out to their advantage…hence why every up and coming artist seems to play a Taylor 214. They now have an LL16M (Mahogany) that I’d love to test out. Mahogany is quieter, but has a lot of clarity.
Very similar. But I don't like either for strumming. I have a LL16 sitting somewhere that I rarely play, as it's rather heavy with a muddy sound as soon as you strums it. I have to say the LL body is better for fingerstyle stuff.
@@NightFlight1973 FG3 or 5 are good but expensive alternative if we are talking about Yamaha. FG7xx also good for strumming incredible value. I find the FS a bit boxy in their range. I try not to keep "cheap guitars" as they don't hold value, but I always have a FG7xx somewhere to pickup and play without worrying about it being may different than when I saw it 8 month ago.
Good review and good move changing the strings. I love the range, clarity and string separation of the LL16, I also love the tighter sound of the LL6 for blues and pop. The latter reminds me of the FG830 which is also a brilliant guitar.
I heard Led Zep, Alice in Chains, Extreme/Nuno, Metallica. Who I miss? Two cracking guitars. Grabbed the LL6 for £285 today, worn in a little. That LL16 is a beaut, for the future if I don't pick up the LJ16.. tempted to add another shape.
And just when I had pretty much decided on looking seriously at the LL6, I hear the LL16. The LL16 is a much better balanced guitar and seemed to be clearer farther up the neck. Thanks for the review, even if it further complicates my decision!
I feel your pain brother. I'm not sure which one to get myself. I really wanted my first solid body but the ll6 sounds really nice aswell 😪 still undesided. If there was a bloody shop open that would make it easier. If we played them we would know
@@Steven-Duffy nice! did you ever get to try out the ll6/ls6 for comparison before purchasing the ll16? Also please do chime in if you have tried Eastman E1 also
@@kristiangurholt2298 Yes played the ll6 which was anazing but once you play the Ll16 its hard to go back to the ll6 even thou its amazing if you know what I mean. Also I have played a Eastman E1d and that guitar us ridiculous for the money 💰 all solid with amazing craftsmanship for around the same price as the ll6. Are you in London?
LL6 (as I understand not A.R.E. version), has more warm sound. But is not it a mockery to use strings 10-47? when even 11-52 do not rock this guitar? Only from 12-53 you can get a sound with a good attack. If possible, repeat the test with the Elixir 12-53 native strings.Thank you anyway)
Алексей Малинкин thanks for watching my brother....yes these strings are a bit thin, but my point was to show how good it sounds with thinner strings.... repeat the test? Next long holiday :)
my very personal opinion ...LL16 is my favorite and the piezo is excellent ...for the rest I let the sounds do the talking which was the purpose of this vid :)
Milos Grujic thanks for watching my man. Yes the strings are light gauge as I normally play sets of about 3 hrs.... my small hands would not tolerate more :) I wanted to show how good these guitar sound even with light gauges
mekkemusic thans for reply.What is orginal gauge of strings that comes with LL 16 if u remember ? And after some time what is ur general opinion about LL 16 and LL6 ...is LL 16 worth of extra money? Greetings from Serbia!!
it must have been a 011, maximum 012...I remember they were heavier to play. Bottom line it holds well with heavier gauges. To your question...yes I think the LL16 has a better l sound projection which in my opinion is close to perfect. If I were you I would look for a used one in mint condition, even if its not ARE, and let the wood age with time. A last suggestion, get the one with the piezo (LLX), because when it goes thru a mixer the sound of Yamaha Piezo is spectacular. Hope it helps. If you need more info just post me a question and if you are in a good mood subscribe and share, so that I get the motivation to post more stuff :-) Ciao! M
Ciao Manuel, è un ottima chitarra che ti porterà lontano, molto suonabile anche con mute non troppo pesanti, il che è davvero un plus per l’ affaticamento delle dita. Io sono uno Yamaha player, quindi non posso che dirti cose positive. Se hai bisogno di info più specifiche scrivimi, e proverò a risponderti se ho le risposte
ll6 looks like fg830 pretty much - it is dull in bass and not so articulate up the fretboard. It is for the price of laminated back and sides. All the yamaha's have high trebles that annoy sometimes and could be cured by right strings setting - nobody knows which one is good for her by the way))))
I have slow sausage fingers, so i guess 44 really works better for me...the older I get, the more I appreciate thicker necks and generous string spacing... Overall this is the best acoustic neck I have ever had... Very playable. Very subjective thou... Peace
To me, i don't hear any difference! and i have a good ear and have been a guitarist for over 30yrs. A lot of bullshit is told about solid back vs laminate as the real strength and sound comes from the top. just my opinion.
The Ramble on riff shows the most difference, the LL16 sounds more "round" to my ears. Must be the solid back vs. laminate. Sounds of course fuller than the orginal LZ recording. Most of the other songs/riffs sounded very similar however.
Play them yourself. If you cant hear a difference between the 6 and 16, you have serious problems mate. Ive played them one after the other, quite a few times. I own the LL16D for a reason!
what would you say the difference in tone in the solid vs laminate back? i perceive more projection fron the ll16. i just can't decide to get the ll or the ls.
Hi, I made this video to explain tonal difference thru sounds... i am not very good at explaining sounds thru words.... It really depends on your budget, your needs, your capabilities and your taste....
@@mekkemusic Hey loved the video. I will subscribe. I love these guitars. I thought the ll6 was amazing before I realised there was a ll16. This has made life differcult ha ha. Really wanted my first All solid guitar but the ll6 are is nearly there even with the laminate. I'm confused now ha ha . I'm more of a Strummer. Do you think these guitars suit a Strummer?
@@Steven-Duffy thanks for your kind words. In my humble opinion you should strum on something you really like, so if you really like the LL series go for it. A fine instrument will help you motivate yourself to improve, plus the feel good feeling whenever you grab it: they are indeed very well finished. LL6 is a great strummer no matter how good you are 👍🤟
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1:10 vs 1:26
1:38 vs 2:39
5:27 vs 6:12
*When you play these clips back and forth, over and over, you can hear the LL16/LLX16 is a bit more bright with a bit more midrange. But that is all there is for audible differences. You can change that by changing string gauge and the material they are made from, as well as the engineered style. Ie: flat wound, round wound or D'addrio silk strings vs silver coated vs copper coated vs nickel coated, etc.*
I have both the LL6 and the LL16. The LL6 was less expensive because it has laminate back and sides, but to look at them and play each of them, there's no compromise on quality. They're both excellent guitars. To be quite honest, to my ears I like the sound of my LL6 a little more. But that's just my own opinion.
Moi aussi j'ai les 2 guitares et préfère la LL6 !
@@beableishConcert La guitare LL 16 Oui, mais la LL6 a le dos et l'éclisse en bois laminé...
Is the ll6 a black color?
Wow! Your side by side comparison was the deciding factor in an ongoing debate with myself over which one I wanted... I made up my mind that I am going with the LL16. Thanks for the help. And you sound great 👍 keep posting we are watching!
Excellent demo! I have an ll16 and an FG 830. Love them both. LL 16 is my favorite. Now balanced sound an it projects well!
love the LL16. Resonates more, has nice focused and balanced sound. Lots of clarity and harmonics. This is what i think
But you have to worry less with top solid guitar🤣. About cracking. Though you can't forget it
I played in a shop the ARE version of both: the difference is really big in favour of the LL16 ! Much more brightness and volume. The LL6 is very nice neverthless and it could be compared to Seagull S6 spruce; I prefer it over the Epiphone masterbilt ( that I also tested). What I liked from Yamaha ll models I tried is the playablity of the neck: IMHO better then the Seagull one.
Great review! You still have both guitars. It’s been a while since you did this review. Ll6 sounds to be warmer which i actually like better. Have the ll6 right now on 45 day trail from guitar center. It’s used 2014 model excellent condition. What would nice to see a review between the newer fg830 and the ll6. You ever played them back to back . Hey man again a great review. Thanks ! Jeff Clark from Rockdale Texas
Hello Sir, I feel that the LL16 is more balanced while the LL6 has less bass and treble. The LL6 feels brighter. Of course, I am not a guitar player (but I hope to buy my first guitar soon). Thanks a lot!!!.
great comparison. that 6 is a darn good one.
LL6 I favour maybe bc it is a natural… on the other side the sun burst makes a great looking guitar and it still sounds great!!! I play a Yamaha FG5 I am a happy owner of any Yamaha Guitar and I a proud owner of an Old School Yamaha Classical guitar I learned from and found in many Music Rooms way back in the 1970s, decades old. Yamaha guitars are made reliable and sound great! Thanks for the Video Bud
Thanks man for your review, I am struggling on these two, LL6 sounds better in my opinion in clear notes playing, but I liked more LL16 for strumming and chord playing for its deeper and at least for my ear more interesting sound.
My guess is your ear prefers the compression that Yamaha’s laminate band and sides create.
This sounds great with partial chords and even single note playing, but does muddy up the midrange when strumming. They’re definitely more forgiving to the player, but there’s little to no note separation.
Very nice proposition. The most usefull Here, thx.
Thanks for this. It would be interesting if you could set it up so people could close their eyes and not know which one you were playing. Let their ears decide. You could just introduce with “test 1 full picking” for example
I go for the cheaper 6 overall. A bit huskier. I've owned both and was more impressed with the 6 more for some reason. Profoundly informative, fine review here.
Both sound great and would be equal in different situations. LL6 has a drier compressed sound, great for recording, this video, it recorder great. I would like to hear the LL 16 after a few years, that guitar has more overtones and sustain. I like them both. 👍
Buying the LL6
I like the sound of the LL6. Seems more balance. Though less brighter than the LL16.
The laminate back and sides do compress the sound nicely. Yamaha and Taylor have figured this out to their advantage…hence why every up and coming artist seems to play a Taylor 214.
They now have an LL16M (Mahogany) that I’d love to test out. Mahogany is quieter, but has a lot of clarity.
I think the LL16 has better tonal separation. The 6 seems to struggle a bit with this when compared.
Very similar. But I don't like either for strumming. I have a LL16 sitting somewhere that I rarely play, as it's rather heavy with a muddy sound as soon as you strums it. I have to say the LL body is better for fingerstyle stuff.
What do you prefer?
@@NightFlight1973 FG3 or 5 are good but expensive alternative if we are talking about Yamaha. FG7xx also good for strumming incredible value. I find the FS a bit boxy in their range. I try not to keep "cheap guitars" as they don't hold value, but I always have a FG7xx somewhere to pickup and play without worrying about it being may different than when I saw it 8 month ago.
Great review thank you
Good review and good move changing the strings. I love the range, clarity and string separation of the LL16, I also love the tighter sound of the LL6 for blues and pop. The latter reminds me of the FG830 which is also a brilliant guitar.
I like the warmth and "woodiness" of the LL16 slightly better, but for me it would come down to which one plays better because they both sound good.
I heard Led Zep, Alice in Chains, Extreme/Nuno, Metallica. Who I miss?
Two cracking guitars. Grabbed the LL6 for £285 today, worn in a little.
That LL16 is a beaut, for the future if I don't pick up the LJ16.. tempted to add another shape.
The ll6 sounds more like a bluegrass guitar with its brightness depend upon what kind of music you're..
Cheers for replying
I have a LL11 from around 90 to 2000 made in taiwan
So simple and beautiful at the same time
And the sound... same as guitars more expensive !
The LL6 has a warmer tone, but the LL16 has a fuller sound.
And just when I had pretty much decided on looking seriously at the LL6, I hear the LL16. The LL16 is a much better balanced guitar and seemed to be clearer farther up the neck. Thanks for the review, even if it further complicates my decision!
I feel your pain brother. I'm not sure which one to get myself. I really wanted my first solid body but the ll6 sounds really nice aswell 😪 still undesided. If there was a bloody shop open that would make it easier. If we played them we would know
@@Steven-Duffy Did you get one? I'm kind of in the same place, between the LS6 and an Eastman E1-OM all solid wood.
@@kristiangurholt2298 Yes I paid got the Ll16D Absoulute beast. Pay the extra and get solid wood. You won't regret it 👌
@@Steven-Duffy nice! did you ever get to try out the ll6/ls6 for comparison before purchasing the ll16? Also please do chime in if you have tried Eastman E1 also
@@kristiangurholt2298 Yes played the ll6 which was anazing but once you play the Ll16 its hard to go back to the ll6 even thou its amazing if you know what I mean. Also I have played a Eastman E1d and that guitar us ridiculous for the money 💰 all solid with amazing craftsmanship for around the same price as the ll6. Are you in London?
Are piezo ll6 and ll16 the same thing?
LL6 (as I understand not A.R.E. version), has more warm sound. But is not it a mockery to use strings 10-47? when even 11-52 do not rock this guitar? Only from 12-53 you can get a sound with a good attack. If possible, repeat the test with the Elixir 12-53 native strings.Thank you anyway)
Алексей Малинкин thanks for watching my brother....yes these strings are a bit thin, but my point was to show how good it sounds with thinner strings.... repeat the test? Next long holiday :)
Thank you, this video is enough))
Good luck)
I have LL6 and i play on 011 strings.I try 010 and I don t have great sound.
If I missed it in the comments sorry. You own both what are your thoughts? Video is a poor substitute for the re thing. Thank you.
my very personal opinion ...LL16 is my favorite and the piezo is excellent ...for the rest I let the sounds do the talking which was the purpose of this vid :)
It's important to know if one is mahogony back and the other rosewood.....may be the difference in the highs.
David, nope. Both are rosewood except that LL16 is full solid (solid e.spruce with rosewood back and sides) whereas LL6 is only solid top.
dont Think Twice .... LL16 for me!! Absolutelly ..
LL16 for sure!
0.10-0.47 are too light strings for my taste...great video
Milos Grujic thanks for watching my man. Yes the strings are light gauge as I normally play sets of about 3 hrs.... my small hands would not tolerate more :) I wanted to show how good these guitar sound even with light gauges
mekkemusic thans for reply.What is orginal gauge of strings that comes with LL 16 if u remember ? And after some time what is ur general opinion about LL 16 and LL6 ...is LL 16 worth of extra money? Greetings from Serbia!!
it must have been a 011, maximum 012...I remember they were heavier to play. Bottom line it holds well with heavier gauges. To your question...yes I think the LL16 has a better l sound projection which in my opinion is close to perfect. If I were you I would look for a used one in mint condition, even if its not ARE, and let the wood age with time. A last suggestion, get the one with the piezo (LLX), because when it goes thru a mixer the sound of Yamaha Piezo is spectacular. Hope it helps. If you need more info just post me a question and if you are in a good mood subscribe and share, so that I get the motivation to post more stuff :-) Ciao! M
Thanks for the subscription Milos!
@@milosgrujic7228original guage is 12/53.
Hi my friend can I ask you about the playability of these 2 guitars is the same?
To me, same same
Ciao... Italiano??? Io forrei comprare la Ll6 are... Me la consigli??
Ciao Manuel, è un ottima chitarra che ti porterà lontano, molto suonabile anche con mute non troppo pesanti, il che è davvero un plus per l’ affaticamento delle dita. Io sono uno Yamaha player, quindi non posso che dirti cose positive. Se hai bisogno di info più specifiche scrivimi, e proverò a risponderti se ho le risposte
My mates got a ll6,, it sounds not quite as full as my Dw5s,, not sure what strings he has on it though!
ll6 looks like fg830 pretty much - it is dull in bass and not so articulate up the fretboard. It is for the price of laminated back and sides. All the yamaha's have high trebles that annoy sometimes and could be cured by right strings setting - nobody knows which one is good for her by the way))))
How does the 44 string spacing feel. I ask because I'm interested in this and an ac3r which has 43.
I have slow sausage fingers, so i guess 44 really works better for me...the older I get, the more I appreciate thicker necks and generous string spacing... Overall this is the best acoustic neck I have ever had... Very playable. Very subjective thou... Peace
I was talking about the L6
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Bel video, mi aiuterà nella scelta.
Marko Culum ... bella lí Marco!
To me, i don't hear any difference! and i have a good ear and have been a guitarist for over 30yrs. A lot of bullshit is told about solid back vs laminate as the real strength and sound comes from the top. just my opinion.
The Ramble on riff shows the most difference, the LL16 sounds more "round" to my ears. Must be the solid back vs. laminate. Sounds of course fuller than the orginal LZ recording. Most of the other songs/riffs sounded very similar however.
not that good an ear apparently
Play them yourself. If you cant hear a difference between the 6 and 16, you have serious problems mate. Ive played them one after the other, quite a few times. I own the LL16D for a reason!
3:35 what song are you playing? It sounds awesome.
mexsachine thanks 4 watching brother . That would be Led Zeppelin “ Ramble On” ... one of their greatest tunes in my musical galaxy
what would you say the difference in tone in the solid vs laminate back? i perceive more projection fron the ll16.
i just can't decide to get the ll or the ls.
Hi, I made this video to explain tonal difference thru sounds... i am not very good at explaining sounds thru words.... It really depends on your budget, your needs, your capabilities and your taste....
LL6 is more compressed... All the rest is explained through sounds
@@mekkemusic Hey loved the video. I will subscribe. I love these guitars. I thought the ll6 was amazing before I realised there was a ll16. This has made life differcult ha ha. Really wanted my first All solid guitar but the ll6 are is nearly there even with the laminate. I'm confused now ha ha . I'm more of a Strummer. Do you think these guitars suit a Strummer?
@@Steven-Duffy thanks for your kind words. In my humble opinion you should strum on something you really like, so if you really like the LL series go for it. A fine instrument will help you motivate yourself to improve, plus the feel good feeling whenever you grab it: they are indeed very well finished. LL6 is a great strummer no matter how good you are 👍🤟
thanks
ll6 better fur rock and blues
There is always a cigar box sound to a laminate guitar no matter how good
Lawrence Rasmus ll16 is full solid thou
Ugly Kid Joe - Mr. Recordman? Nice!
Bob Odda ... that record! So full of irony and nonsense.... :) just loved it!
LL6
LL6 .
Steel string guitars are hard on my ears. Classical guitars are the way to go.
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