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Survive Knives - An In Depth Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
- This was a simple conversation that just gives some more insight into the struggles a smaller knife manufacturer can go through. Guy laid out a lot of what happened involving the heat treat issues over at Pete's Heat Treat, adding to the issues with the providers. This is an unfortunate situation that Survive had to deal with and overcome to bounce back and regain some balance as a company. Guy is a very smart designer and manufacturer and is going to bounce back twice as hard as ever. I truly believe that. So I hope.you guys enjoy the content and feel free to use this link below to go order some in stock EDC 4's or get on the list for existing pre-orders. Thanks for watching!
Link for Survive Knives website:
surviveknives.com/
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Listen up Guy Lazlo Fontaine Buddy Guy or whatever ya currently call yourself. You left us holding the bag while a pack of funboys raided the chicken coop! You promised us an Alabama Reach Around and instead gave us a Shanghai Surprise. That's not okay, jack! My sack is waxed and I'm not liking the smoothness!
"blown up a really old relationship"
Yeah, you do that a lot, Guy.
Where is Survive Knives now?
Why aren’t you working there anymore?
Typical sociopathic traits: 1. Manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others 2. Lack of concern, guilt, or remorse for their actions 3. Irresponsible behavior 4. Disregard for typical social behavior 5. Relationship difficulties 6. Repeatedly breaking the law
Maybe dont send blanks out to heat treat with mill scale still on ... just a thought Guy 🤷♂️
So, is Survive moving on from Peters permanently? Is the new heat treat facility local (within driving distance), or is Survive back to shipping logistical issues? Why is the new heat treat company as good or better than Peters? If so, Why not use them all along?
Guy can’t take responsibility for anything, so he just throws companies under the bus and reframes the narrative that they “sucked the whole time”. He is that kid we all knew in class that always had his homework eaten by the dog.
Well isn't warping part of knifemaking?
Most important thing is transparency 👍
I completely understand where your journey led you to Taiwan. Doing this here in the US is extremely difficult, especially if you have high standards.
@@Surviveknives It’s very difficult to produce knives at a reasonable price point in the USA or Canada.
It’s nice to see that you are overcoming all these setbacks and still focused on top notch quality
I'm waiting on a 5.1 mag as well.... I'm happy to wait, I believe in what your trying to do, a lot of us do.... Keep up the good work brother.... I appreciate you soldiering on when it would have been so easy to quit....... TYVM!!!! ❤
Great video!
I have 3 Survive Knives and am very pleased with them.
And yes, I too am waiting for a 5.1 in magnacut. I know that it will perform well when I get it, so I will wait! 😊
Yea I'm waiting on min my friend. I know your going to enjoy it very much!
Has anyone done and NDT on the steel to see if the flaws are inherent in the metal before your process or caused later? Ultrasonic would show laps from the initial rolling and radiographic inspection would disclose the large, rounded voids you have shown. Mag particle and liquid penetrant would disclose those at the surface.
Now I am beginning to understand why some companies hand finish their knives even though they produce fairly high unit volumes. If you don't machine finish your knives, and you allow quite a bit of variation within each production batch, you can manage the variability in materials and heat treating. You can't run tight kydex sheaths with that much variation, but some people like the rustic nature of leather anyway. If you let tolerances slide and hand finish, you can recover more blades and turn a problem into a market niche.
That said, Guy also moderates his RUclips channel comments so only standard or positive comments are shown. And that is transparency?!!!
Excellent video and thanks for all the effort on your part in trying to assist them in catching up, they are excellent knives but really unfortunate circumstances seemed to have combined to sink the ship….😢
It's been a decade, and he can't produce knives and take care of customers at an acceptable level...
Well done! After all the negative exposure in the past, I hope he appreciated the positive outlook you have given your followers.
I wish survive much success!
Keep up the good content Heavy!
Well said and thanks for watching man. I believe it's the dawn of a new day!
@Surviveknives why do you think you are the only ones talking about these issues ?
What happens if Peter’s quit doing business with Survive! Knives? Then how will the blades be completed?
answered in the video
Found it thanks! Don’t know how I missed it!
I can see it on your face that you know Guy is full of Sh*t.. The sad part is that Guy can make a knife. Some of the best outdoor knives. Also, amazing fit n finish. I know you tried your best to help out and thanks for trying. Kudos to you
Peope are genuinely happy... 3 RUclipsrs are the only one with knives haha
Guy looks like he'd be better suited to wearing a headset and saying "Welcome to McDonald's, may I take your order?"
In JAN you said you had 8 hours to finish the all the GSO12s...now it is 1.5hr per?!...more lies.
Always more excuses and movong the goal post.
Watch that video again, please. I very clearly said it would 8 hours to surface prep that stack of blades we were looking at. I apologize if you misunderstood but I have been very clear about how time consuming these are.
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Guy prices the knives as part of his scam. Too good to be true...he prays on emotion of a deal and then he has your money and you are screwed.
People don't understand value...hahah well other people deliver and have customer service. Maybe that's where the money goes.
There is no scam, you're just butt hurt.
Not butt hurt...pissed because you paid in full for a promised 90-day delivery, and it's now going on 7 years for some people. Seven. Years. For a knife. @@bradwjensen
@@bradwjensen Preorder from them then and see what that gets you. You won’t ever get your knife. You bet I’m “Burt hurt” after giving this clown almost three hundred bucks just for empty promises of the knife “almost being finished” for almost two years! Thank god my CC company saw reason.
@@Mrarmageddon8 I have preordered from them. And I've contacted them many times about my ordered and gotten things switched up a lot. I have 3 GSO 2.7s (two special editions), had a GSO 4.7, have a GSO 7/7, GSO 5, two EDC 4 FFG, GSO 10, waiting on two EDC 3 FFG.. The GSO 10 was by far the longest wait ever for a knife, but I got it. I'm hoping they get caught up with less issues by next year so maybe they can grow their business successfully and never have these delays again. I've seen the insane growth through time. They're going super well, but wish they'd just get those old old old ordered done first, but I know how the whole bills thing goes and those EDC 4's etc are helping them get by atm.
Are you going to disclose your business relationship with Survive?
I have a friendship with guy and have spent 2 months and money trying my hardest to help turn things around here and be of help that's the relationship buddy thanks
@@HeavySetTactical409 but you understand, if you have more of an investment than just “I bought a knife” you are no longer an unbiased reviewer. And you may even be committing fraud based on deceptive statements and failure to disclose partial ownership in the company. You can invest your own money and time however you want, but you have to be honest with your viewers about what you are doing.
@mikebandw186 I have been honest every step of the way man jacob peterson just dropped a video and I told him the truth is I was offered a percentage to come on and help revamp things here. And I have worked my ass off attempting to help there's no fraud here there's no secret money there's no stuff for you to find and throw at me I'm a simple guy who's trying to help these guys get level and get knives out to the poor people who paid already for them. That's that simple. Have a good day.
@mikebandw186 Seems like you have a hard on for this. This is at least the second video you’ve made this comment on. It’s an informative video… if you don’t like it don’t watch and don’t troll.
@HeavySetTactical409 thanks for trying to save a sinking ship.
My "in stock" 3v EDC4 was shipped in 2 days.
I have 3 knives from Survive. The limited edition GSO bushcraft in magnacut did take 2 months, and the limited edition EDC4 in magnacut took 1 month. But those 2 knives were before they put the 'Assembled and shipped within 15 days' message on the site.
But I have bought knives from small shops before, like when Daniel Koster was making knives, it was just him doing it while still in school. It took about a year. To put it in perspective a larger company like Chris Reeves has a 7 year waiting list for his folders now, and the quality is not the same as it used to be from what I've seen. As a mater of fact, when the Sebenza first came out, I had to send it back cause the lock would slip. I had to to the same with my Hinderer xm-18
You are one of the lucky ones. And almost every other knife maker only requires a partial deposit on the knife. Guy, Ellie and Survive require full payment upfront, promise a delivery of 90 days, and then ghost you when you try to find out the status of your knife or to request a refund.
Survive has a video posted on their channel where Guy literally says, "we will fight you on refunds" because he has already spent the money and doesn't have any cash to process a refund request. That's the issue.
Even if we give Guy the ultimate benefit of the doubt, you cannot seriously be advocating for a business that willingly avoids responding to refund requests, and constantly blames everyone else. What legitimate business would conduct themselves that way?
There are soooo many qualify knife makers out there trying to do the right thing by their customers, that I honestly can't see why anyone would waste their time with the clown show that is Survive. I mean, it's your money so you can do what you want. But it is obvious that Survive is preying on unsuspecting customers to place new orders to keep the ponzi scheme going.
@@jondallas311 count me as a repeatedly lucky one. I have half a dozen from SK and every one has been on time.
@@jondallas311 I have a couple that are past the 90 day mark, with them. But I put those orders in after I got the three, I mentioned. I've bought a lot of high quality fixed blades like TRC's for example. The price for Survives, is really good for the quality of the product. I used the Daniel Koster example cause he was the only employee of his company, and he took the full payment up front. A lot of people got mad at him on Blade forum back in the day cause it took so long, but he delivered and it was a beautiful knife. I also picked up an extra from a cancelled order. But I know he didn't have to deal in the quantity that blowing up from being on DBK's channel did for Guy. I hope Survive gets through this, cause I do like their stuff. I can't speak to the refund issue, but I can imagine trying to pump out hundreds of knives while also trying to answer a deluge of questions on social media, and maybe the mental toll it takes from getting slammed a bit on the varying social media platforms. I honestly just want them to succeed and for everyone to get the knives they ordered.
There's no doubt that the price for Survive is great. And I have now switched to only Carothers for my fixed blade knives. Nathan makes it clear that you pay in full up front, but there is ample communication throughout the process, and he always delivers. It is possible to run a business the right way.
I hope you get your order soon, and I hope Survive pulls out of the death spiral they've been in. But it sickens me to see unsuspecting customers falling into the same trap and believing the bullshit coming from Guy.
There is a very clear pattern of behavior from Guy over the last 10 years. His is a pattern of promising a 90-day delivery, and then coming up with all kinds of excuses why that timeframe can't be met.
And it is NEVER his fault...literally never. @@JackShen
What excuse do you have going back 5+ years? The list of excuses is longer than a CVC receipt.
You blame Millit...the peolle now making the popular Reif Knives! Seems like they dropped you and found someone who knows how to run a bisiness.
You were not even making blades. You were just slapping hanldes on.
Poor you. If only you understood more of the world than you think you do. You will learn more if you spend more time reading and listening than pointing your fingers.
Literally. He's not even a maker and he can't get anything out in a timely manner. It's not the process it's his lack of business acumen.
@@21_Cabbage_ exactly! Until recently all he did was attach handle to finished blades ... And they couldn't do that.
The shop he blames now makes the popular Reif Knives. Someone who probably copied the ideas guy had but actually delivered.
SK! could have been #1 in the market if Guy wasn't such a F up.
@@mcmc448poor you. If only you knew more about the world than you think you do. Maybe you would learn instead of excusing unacceptable business practices.
Id buy a couple blanks if you want to sell them.
If I have it in my shop, I still have a little hope for one day salvaging it. 😅
@@SurviveknivesI wouldn’t mind a blank myself, literally just one haha
Guy, you are toast if you don't reimburse we the 3000 plus that you tried to screw. A class action law suit is headed your way.
@msb2948 I have nothing to do with survive knives I was an employee for 2.5 months and walked away guy siefaed is your person man and I truly wish you luck on getting your money back sir. I mean that
Of course Guy is a scammer! He takes your money without delivering the goods. I have waited over 2 years for 2 orders and sent dozens of emails asking for a status, and I received no replies.
He makes mistakes, and we pay for them. You people that can't see that, i feel sorry for.
Ask yourselves this.....would you just give someone in the street 500 dollars for nothing?
Is this yet another RUclipsr that guy gave free knives to and won't tell the truth about survives bad business
Lol no man I've paid for every knife I own. I just recognize high end blades when I use them and wanted to know.more so instead of making drama online I drove over to visit the shop.
Can any of this be tracked back to the metal producer? I hear you talking about carbon molocules missing in an area, in my mind the structure is tightened in a heat treat, but it wont move carbides. Im not a metal smelter, so maybe my ignorance is showing. Id hate to see you chacing a fox when it was a wolf in your henhouse
Great video and I like Guy a lot you don’t find many in the knife industry who are as tough and resilient as him one part I have to disagree with because I now have personal experience is IN STOCK orders. You stated that they ship in 7-10 days and a max of 15 days. This is not true, on my EDC4 FFG M390 factory second order from Feb 21st I’m now at 17 business days without the knife shipping tomorrow Monday the 18th of March will be 18 business days. If you count weekends it’s over 20 days. I hope it ships soon as it showed built the day I ordered.Guy is being honest and transparent with us and as a customer I’m gonna continue to be honest about my experience. When I get a shipping notification there won’t be a happier person to tell people I got my knife in hand trust me.
I apologize, we did have a few day setback, when I got sick. I covered that in a few recent updates. You should have gotten a shipping notification by now. If not, you will have one by tomorrow. Ellie's Mom and Grandmother have been in town, she was visiting with them most of the weekend. She is back to shipping this week though. Again, I apologize for the few extra days in getting your order delivered, that situation isn't a typical occurrence.
Hahay dog ate my homework! I swear.
Seriously? Missing a shipping deadline is actually the most typical occurrence for Survive @@Surviveknives
Work very long hours like a dog to try to fulfill promises to thousands of customers and you will be down for the count once in a while/ It is easy to get sick when you miss a lot of sleep. JustinDeTroll, if you do work, do you work a lot more than 40 hours per week? Do you expect to get a break? They need a break too. Grow up.
@@mcmc448you are a fool. You are okay with being lied to.
Excuse me what's this dutch bushcraft Knives 5.1s? Uuuuhuhu spoiler
Dude……
Just scrub all these videos and walk away from the Survive debacle
Guys im not deleting comments guys if there is rediculous level of profanity or something pointless i might but probably not even then... dont want to hear any of that. I drove out to see what was going on at survive out of respect for the flawless products they make that i enjoy so much. And thought it would be a good chance to put out a discussion further into this issue. I have several preorders in that im waiting on and i am not making any money or free knives from survive for a video with 3k subscribers haha so calm down here guys this isnt writing policy for childrens hospitals its discussing knives... thanks for the ones who posted positive or reasonable questions...
What about that entire conversation from the guy who has been waiting years for his knife and hasn't been able to get a reply from Survive! Knives, much less a refund. You know. The one where Guy himself responded with a bunch of nonsense. I smell B.S.
There was a post here with over 10 replies. A customer was complaining that they could not get a refund and had been blocked by Survive. Guy responded with nonsense, and a few other customers responded and asked for refunds, and complained about Guy blocking them and not responding to emails. Multiple customers asked Guy to directly answer if he would issue refunds, and then the thread disappeared. The customer that made the original post is on Blade Forums claiming that you blocked them and deleted the thread. Looks to me like you are not being truthful. I bet you delete this post.
I'm not sure man I know what your talking about but I don't delete comments it makes no sense.
Do any of you guys actually own or have used a Survive knife? I am always curious people are so hell bent on running guy down making him out to be some criminal when you can just drive over there and speak to the guy like I did. Coming from a guy who has one of everything you could imagine in my collection they are worth the.wait so I choose to wait. There aren't better knives man I've used them all they are more comfortable better sheaths excellent out of the box edge fit and finish second to non... if you don't want to wait then don't buy one that's not in stock man
@@HeavySetTactical409 I have owned Survive! knives. I was part of the "Starter Program" in 2014 or 2015. Guy and Ellie promised that my knifes would ship in 90 days. I waited over a year. Guy and Ellie both lied to me on multiple occasions. They both, on three different occasions, promised my knife was done and would ship in a few days (it didn't). During a separate conversation, Ellie promised to issue a refund (she never did). I did get my knives, but others that ordered at the same time as me are still waiting. This is not about the wait. It is about Guy and Ellie selling product that they cannot / do not know how to make. I am fine with people wanting to support Survive after knowing all the facts. However, I want people to know Survive!'s history before they give Guy their money. Guy's issue with steel is just the latest in a very long line of excuses.
@HeavySetTactical409, thank you for the video. This was very informative.
Hey man I am just a big fan of the Survive knives I own and figured instead of commenting on things and adding to the whirlpool of comments let's drive out there and visit the shop. Guy was open and informative and I said hey man let's shoot a video for the channel explaining some of this further it's just a shame he had to go through all of this with his move back to PA and everything else at the same time. Now I could see his progress back to life and he is moving forward and upward with Survive man.. so thank you for watching!