@@TheOriginalCoda fine then if we're that way inclined then no insurance coverage and no free healthcare if you're not wearing gear. Shouldn't be up to others to fix your stupid decisions
This may also help put it into perspective. I broke my T10 after slipping on the top step at home and landing on my back. If an impact like that at such low speed can do that damage, just think if you landed the same way on a kerb after coming off a bike even at 20mph.
Aaron,have you guys ever considered using a crash test dummy with accelerometers etc, I think a more visual influence would strengthen your view point. when supported with a visual and measurable real life scenario of protector v spine.
Yes I think that is a good idea Brian. Saying that people have written in telling you that this product saved them from being in a wheelchair is silly. The only way you would know if that was true, is if you could turn back time and not wear the protector the second time around.
@@markgunn6680 No that's dishonest, whatever anecdotal experiences people have had good or bad aside, the fact is that this spine Procter will decrease your likability of injury
I have the Astar Kr-r I just had a bad highside in a race on Sunday, about 150k flipped over and landed flat on my back with arse first, I ended up with a crushed/broken T11&12 (very minor, can still walk around), but my tailbone where impact was is fine just bruised... Long story short if I wasn't wearing it, I would be in a wheelchair for sure.
Would wearing two or three external armor back protectors on top of one another be better with a neck brace? I wish the police would issue fines for checking to see if every rider has an external back protector
Hi, no that's not right, we have incredible crash testimonials on both hard shell and softer construction back protectors. What is important is the construction and the actual performance of the back protector against CE norms, plus comfort etc. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
@C G By "foam" do you happen to mean the flimsy foam placeholder that came with the jacket? If so please throw it out, it does nothing to protect your spine. I believe what is meant as "soft" armour is viscoelastics such as D3O or SAS-TEK. or perhaps the dense, multi-layered, closed cell foam Rev'it sells for back protection. (Not to mention Knox armour itself). These actually do protect you reasonably well. If you want to upgrade you should remove anything from the jacket pocket and wear one of these stand alone protectors under your jacket. Should you want the best possible protection you could look into getting yourself an airbag. Little pricey but i bought one from helite last week and i feel a lot more confident on the bike.
@C G Yeah the vast majority of them are some kind of foam. The viscoelastic stuff aswell. However the foam in your jacket is only meant to make the jacket look slightly sturdier while it's hanging in the store. Should you want to have some back protection (highly recommended) you want to at the very least get yourself a proper insert. Most manufacturers state wich fits the best on their website. Personally i'd recommend a stand alone back protector since it's a little safer and you don't have to buy an insert for every new jacket.
@@ric84 definitely going to get the airbag vest? Do you/can you wear the back protector along with the vest? Or is that just too much? Also what color did you go for?
This should be mandatory to use for all motocyclistes… it is very important
What about freedom of choice?
@@TheOriginalCoda fine then if we're that way inclined then no insurance coverage and no free healthcare if you're not wearing gear.
Shouldn't be up to others to fix your stupid decisions
This may also help put it into perspective. I broke my T10 after slipping on the top step at home and landing on my back. If an impact like that at such low speed can do that damage, just think if you landed the same way on a kerb after coming off a bike even at 20mph.
Aaron,have you guys ever considered using a crash test dummy with accelerometers etc, I think a more visual influence would strengthen your view point. when supported with a visual and measurable real life scenario of protector v spine.
Yes I think that is a good idea Brian. Saying that people have written in telling you that this product saved them from being in a wheelchair is silly. The only way you would know if that was true, is if you could turn back time and not wear the protector the second time around.
@@markgunn6680 No that's dishonest, whatever anecdotal experiences people have had good or bad aside, the fact is that this spine Procter will decrease your likability of injury
I have the Astar Kr-r I just had a bad highside in a race on Sunday, about 150k flipped over and landed flat on my back with arse first, I ended up with a crushed/broken T11&12 (very minor, can still walk around), but my tailbone where impact was is fine just bruised... Long story short if I wasn't wearing it, I would be in a wheelchair for sure.
Would wearing two or three external armor back protectors on top of one another be better with a neck brace? I wish the police would issue fines for checking to see if every rider has an external back protector
Thanks Steve. Probably not especially when you consider the comfort level. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
I heard only hard shell ones work. Foam ones are worse for ur spine!
Hi, no that's not right, we have incredible crash testimonials on both hard shell and softer construction back protectors. What is important is the construction and the actual performance of the back protector against CE norms, plus comfort etc. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
The only thing that hard shells add, is it helps with skidding/sliding. Doesn't have a direct effect on impact resistance
@C G By "foam" do you happen to mean the flimsy foam placeholder that came with the jacket? If so please throw it out, it does nothing to protect your spine. I believe what is meant as "soft" armour is viscoelastics such as D3O or SAS-TEK. or perhaps the dense, multi-layered, closed cell foam Rev'it sells for back protection. (Not to mention Knox armour itself). These actually do protect you reasonably well.
If you want to upgrade you should remove anything from the jacket pocket and wear one of these stand alone protectors under your jacket.
Should you want the best possible protection you could look into getting yourself an airbag. Little pricey but i bought one from helite last week and i feel a lot more confident on the bike.
@C G Yeah the vast majority of them are some kind of foam. The viscoelastic stuff aswell.
However the foam in your jacket is only meant to make the jacket look slightly sturdier while it's hanging in the store. Should you want to have some back protection (highly recommended) you want to at the very least get yourself a proper insert. Most manufacturers state wich fits the best on their website.
Personally i'd recommend a stand alone back protector since it's a little safer and you don't have to buy an insert for every new jacket.
@@ric84 definitely going to get the airbag vest? Do you/can you wear the back protector along with the vest? Or is that just too much? Also what color did you go for?