@@jonathan_60503 i dont know on that one sure the 357 will be nice but a revolver and reloads arent the fastest and are pretty often due to the 6 rounds
@@darrengarcia4937 (230 X 825)/1000 = 190 PF. (158 X 1300)/1000 = 205 PF. Pretty close honestly. Definitely more energy for the target and for your hand but similar capacity to knock over targets. Major is 165 and minor is 125 for reference.
@@CHPMP5 My word. I never thought I'd see a Howard Dean reference in 2021. Do you remember when everybody on the internet spent their weekends blogging about Howard Dean in Starbucks with a PowerBook G4? Halcyon days. Did he make the same sound in the full-auto M14 video?
@@AshleyPomeroy I was probably about 8 at the time so suffice to say not really 😅 But I’ve definitely heard similar type sounds from Ian before but for whatever reason this video made me think Howard Dean specifically haha
The FAMAS was a very common weapon, also used by the french Gendarmerie and Police. Till the Germans managed to sell the french the "Hitler & Boche HK416" rifle. I could not believe my eyes when I saw theb Gendarmerie carrying the Hitller & Boche a few years ago during the Cannes film festival....
@@totalitaer. all that fuss for a rifle that is just a german copy of the M4A1 with more rails. X/ I really hope that 3D Printing will one day allow me to print a Famas F1 and a good FR-F2.
@@tacamo21 And took off, immediately after that kettlebell had left his hands. Most other competitors waited until it had landed, before they started running.
I carried a revolver on duty for many years. I see two areas for improvement. 1. Your weapon has a reputation for a great double-action pull, use it. It is faster. 2. Get better speed loaders. The turn knob HKS style is cheaper but is also slow. Try the Safariland J-K2C COMP II or it's equivalent for your revolver. It does not rely on gravity to work. It pushes the rounds into the chambers. This means it is faster and you can load at angles an HKS can't. Just use the loader to hold the rounds in the chambers while you close the cylinder.
As a revolver loving southpaw I LOVED the reload with speed loaders. If you're among the commons this may appear clumsy but Ian is doing it properly and well. Kudos Ian, keep practicing with that French beauty.
I noticed that too. His reloads on the first stage were impeded because he kept his left hand firing grip. No way to hold the cylinder open, and using the non-dexterous hand for the speed loader. On the second stage he used a technique closer to Massad Ayoob’s “stress reload” where he grabs the cylinder with his off hand. That’s what I do when I reload. A proper lefty reload with a revolver can be just as fast, if not faster, than a righty stress reload.
Ian, I want to give you credit for running the .357 for a match like this. My EDC is a compact, polymer-framed .357 (weighs in at 19oz unloaded), as I am frequently in the woods in Northern Wisconsin, with bears and wolves being fairly typical sightings (for city carry I do use .38+p handloads, but same gun, 158gr Hydrashocks are my lead of choice for both my .38 and .357 handloads). For this reason, I do a lot of shooting and speed drills with .357, and as your video demonstrates, speed loading with a revolver is a fair bit slower than even a slow reloading of an automatic. Add the absolute beating you will take shooting that many rounds of .357 rapidly with any size of revolver, and I fully appreciate the feat of endurance you are going through with your choice in handgun. You have my respect.
Yeah, there are some insane people out there that can speed load insanely fast (thinkin peeps like Jerry Miculek), but any mortal will be at a significant disadvantage against a semiauto pistol.
come to think of it, the only time either of those two obsolete legacy weapons would be highly effective is in a situation where you’ve severely outmaneuvered your enemy and have the drop on them so you only need a couple shots. While that’s ludicrously difficult with a rifle in combat, it seems pretty easy in a 2 AM gas station robbery
@@michelguevara151 there is nothing obsolete about a revolver, as long as you don't want to shoot more than 6 rounds, or surpress it, or reliably fire rimless cartridges, or have a light gun, or want single action trigger presses after the first shot
In fairness, a well-made revolver like the MR73 was still pretty much the most reliable and one of the most accurate pistols possible in 1973, which is why the French chose them for the elite operators. Unlike a bolt-action today where there is no matching even an average semiautomatic with the best bolt-action rifle, an MR73 can put six shots on target just as fast as the average semiautomatic. It is only after those first six shots that it looks inferior. The problem Ian had was that he didn't have the training the original users did. French GIGN put about 150 rounds a day through their MR73s precisely so they never missed. If he had gotten six hits with every load, Ian would have only been a little behind the 9mm high-capacity semiautomatics in actual time.
@@genericpersonx333 Yes it is more accurate than a tilting barrel pistol, but that doesn't matter on most applications even SF guys have with it. It's not like you shoot hundreds of meters with pistols. No a MR73 cannot put 6 shots on a target as fast as a pistol can, because you are shooting 357 vs 9mm and you have to cock the hammer after each shot. Ian's shooting was not what makes the MR73 obsolete. It doesn't matter how many shots he missed because with a Glock or a hipower he would have to reload once at best and be faster at that
Amazing video, i feel like the underdog of your loadout was actually the FAMAS, the FR F2 worked fantastic and the shortcomings of the sidearm was because of course it was a revolver, so it had a disadvantage by design (using it was a nice flex though) The FAMAS however, felt like was holding you back with that stiff trigger, seemed uncomfortable in general and made trouble with your concentratiom
Correct but I may add that I used the famas with the bipod all the time. The change of pull on the trigger seems to have been a factor too. Once I saw one of our shooting instructors use a famas like a handgun... at 200m. He was a former GIGN member. After that when you went checking your score, well, you went retrieve the scrapes of your ego too 😂
I think it's also fair to say that what held him back the most was that he clearly didn't practice much with the weapon combo, the trigger issue is something you'd notice and account for fairly quickly once it was made obvious by some time practicing going from one gun to another. Certainly the combo of fantastic DMR/sniper rifle, a fantastic but unnecessarily powerful revolver and a great assault rifle with a less great trigger isn't an optimal impromptu combination of weapons. =)
@@johngagnon1365 I am legitimately confused. I must say I REALLY like Henry and Josh too. And Henry can shoot like nobody else I have seen. Including snipers and DM I know. I also kind of like Flannel Daddy, when he keeps politics out of his vids.
@@PalleRasmussen haha yeah I totally agree, While Ian’s pretty much my celebrity crush, everybody else is equally interesting to watch, I also appreciate the lack of politics, makes em a joy to watch
As an internet denizen, I have a roughly six second attention span; the running commentary voiceover REALLY makes these match videos for me. Thanks for the content, engagement number go up!
Haha, with your full French load-out & trademark facial hairstyle you are truly a modern Musketeer! Whether Athos, Porthos, Aramis or D'Artagnan I've yet to figure out. Looked a lot of fun.
Sure, competitively, these weapons were maybe not the best choices but HUGE respect for you for going with the whole French theme, even more so since I'm French.
It wasn't hits that were the problem, but only six shots. I used to shoot with some guys who were insane revolver fanatics. They could all make reliable hits, but in an 8 target plate run they were at a significant disadvantage to the semi-auto guys. Even when we gave them a two plate handicap so they could finish without reloading, they had to make every shot or they'd lose. That said, the ässhole with the Mateba autorevolver still came out in the top three most of the time. That thing was deadly, and he was a crack shot with anything. He's one of the reasons I never shot rimfire in that match.
@@nickbeckwith6211 I've never actually seen a Mateba rimfire, but from what I read it holds 14 rounds of .22 Long Rifle and is not a revolver. However I was a little unclear. We shot two classes: Centerfire and Rimfire. He shot a custom Ruger Mk IV for the rimfire class. The rimfire class used rimfire silhouettes- seven rounds about the size of a half-dollar and a chicken. I've seen him clear it in around three seconds from 20 feet. His Mateba was .357 Magnum but loaded with .38 special. (There are some springs or something you have to change for the lighter rounds.)
Remember the words of Philosopher Denis Diderot: "On n’est point toujours une bête pour l’avoir été quelquefois." (Being a fool sometimes does not make one a fool all the time.)
Should have got the PAMAS G1 for sidearm. Edit: Basically a Beretta 92F copy but the slide was crap, after about 6000 round it shattered due to bad material.
@@bamboozlednoodle6513 Yeah it was used during my time in the legion in the 80-90's and not the best pistol but in this case for sure better then that revolver. Also fun fact, the company that made that pistol planned to redo the slide in stainless but went out of business before so. Then there was the Mac 50, also a 9mm pistol made in early 50's if I recall it right. I actually think that Ian had one and done some shooting with it, if so he should have chosen that one ;) Both pistols are now being replaced by Glock 17 that will be the new standard sidearm. The special forces use HK USP as sidearm and done that for some time.
@@levergatRapha Totally agree on that. When I was in the legion we had the Mac 50 in our regiment but I saw the G1 around, it was an disaster. The Mac 50 however was a descent pistol however those we had showed their age and they were used a lot in the field.
I wonder if Ian will be using the MAC 50, the PAMAS G1, the HK USP OR going full "tacticool" with a Glock 17 in his next French Operative after the MR 73 "It was not a Good Idea".
HK USP was used (now replaced with Glocks) by Army special forces 1st RPIMa, but with HK 416, HK USP compact is the Navy handgun but Commandos Marine (Navy SF) use Glock 17 or 19 with different rifles but no FAMAS, so if he is going cold war "standard soldier" the MAC 50 would be the only option, with some tuning (fixed sights) it is not too much a handicap with its 9 rounds magazine.
I think he should go full WW2 French Resistance and have someone air drop an FP 45 Liberator to him on the range. He has to shoot and reload the Liberator until he successfully hits, at which time he gets to trade up for a "captured" Walther/Luger and comparable set of German WW2 weaponry for the remainder of the match. In fact, this sounds like a great idea for a themed shooting event, make everyone do it!
@@jg8263 Yes, first stage a Liberator then according to your score next stage with a .32 or a P08, P38, Radom, Browning HP, again according to your score a K98 or a G43, FG42, StG 44...
Nothing wrong with choosing a revolver. I'm a wheelgun guy all day long. Only thing I could say as an outside observer would be that double action would have been a better shot
The video footage from the stages is really impressive! First I have to say, I really like the more focused lens on the camera, you get the feeling of being there realy up close, not missing the slightest detail... Very Movie like ;) And the general image quality is also super nice! Overall a really "welcome variety" to the usual "action cam wide-angle footage" In my opinion! More of that please :)
Thank You Ian, You have given me my Dream Match Video!!! You choosing the FR-F1!!! The Famas!!! And the MR73. Ian Really Thank You, Such a Great Video And really really great part, No Carl,,, he ruins match videos
I like that Ian doesn't pretend to be the greatest shooter alive or some amazing marksman(though props he does make good shots on some of his vids), and seeing his mistakes is better than just seeing a highlight reel like some other channels would do with their content. Every challenge is that - a challenge, if you don't make mistakes you never learn what your weaknesses are and where you need to improve and work on and every mistake is a chance to learn and experience something new.
I bet this would have been easier with 38 special. However at the end if the day you have to be extremely accurate when you only have 6 shots and no quick reloads. Its why GIGN trained so much, honestly i think revolvers are obsolete for police and military.
Correct and Ian should practice DA shooting, if he's using a revolver again, which I doubt. A MAB PA15 would be exotic enough for his taste. I spotted too many misses with SA shooting for my taste and he's also a bit handicapped at being left handed, when reloading that MR 73.
Only insofar as the stages required more hits than the revolver could hold. A revolver still is still extremely effective if only engaging a solitary or 2 targets.
For police and military, I agree, but for niche units like GIGN there are niche cases where they would be useful, such as inside an airliner with reduced velocity frangible ammo and no worries if the slide will cycle.
I wrote a story about a retired Army officer that was caught in a surprise attack armed solely with his M9 that jammed. After he got out he armed himself with a revolver. He made the comment of if you can't hit your target with six shots what makes you think you will with eighteen. He ended up fighting a gang of 14. He did about as well as Ian.
I always hear that argument in favor of the 1911 -- "if eight rounds of .45 won't do the job ..." To which I respond I like that Luger drum. Better to have it and not need it, &c..
@@DeliveryMcGee Well.. the convenience from weight and form factor is also a thing that counts. When the shit finally hits the fan, does the benefits of the drum outweigh all the other dis-advantages compared to a typical pistol kit? Asking this out of curiosity, not to argue you.
Man idk why but im so damn glad to hear that joy in Ian's voice when he speaks about his brand new FR-F2 so i'm sincerely happy for him. Like, man im happy for u and since u'll most likely read this - good luck finding something as exciting as this piece if its even exists
Really interesting and enjoyable video, i hope some of the other participants known from RUclips upload videos as well. @09.35...Thats why the Military never go for "velcro" (other brands are available) fastenings, nearly always pull tab types. Looking forward to the next one.
I'm not sure why you expected the revolver to be a good choice when you insisted on shooting it only in single action. I appreciate that you were willing to challenge yourself by bringing a revolver, but why didn't you challenge yourself to shoot double action?
This is awesome. I know I won't have the money to compete in something like this, but I am wondering if Ian and Karl can come up with an "Elbonian" division in the future (no armor) and all manual (no semi-auto) 2 gun setup
You could shoot the Partisan division that's just pistol and carbine you can put together and AR with a 1-6 optic fairly inexpensively and a service size semi auto handgun is not that expensive
AR's are not allowed in my state, so practicing wouldn't really work out. Even if that wasn't a problem, Ammunition to do practice and the travel costs to be a part of the event would be more than I could afford.
Ian!! THIS WAS AWESOME!! Its hard to believe your content has been getting MORE interesting over the years, good grief, you're the man 👍🏼 Much love from the Slav hordes.
Don't know if I'd say "revolver not so good", but for damn certain "revolver needs more practice". =) Fantastic stuff, love seeing the Frenchies in action, especially that FR-F2!
Trying to reload the MR-73 left-handed is a tough row to hoe. It’s quite a bit easier for a righty and with some practice can be respectably quick. I was surprised Ian went single-action only. One would think the MR-73 in DA would be up to the task. Still super awesome to watch! Love seeing the French kit in action!
Was going to skip over this ( not especially into the practical shooting videos) but once I saw Ian was busting out the 357 revolver, that was the hook that drew me in!
as a Frenchman who worked with a FAMAS for a bit, i'm very sad to not be able to get one for myself when i get back to civilian life but glad to see you have a beautiful F1
Dont cock the hammer, reloads are always slow on a revolver. but you can be just as fast shooting a revolver as a striker auto or single action auto with pulling the trigger all the way through. Your revolver is of the best ever made! Jerry Michuleck would love to teach you, and a collaboration of you being taught by Jerry would make for an epic video! IMHO. (please make that happen)
The MR73 is a wonderful piece but the GIGN spirit is to perform a job with the fewer shots fired as possible. You plaid with a handicap there. Nice performance though.
I love how that rifle, which on paper looks like an oddball, is insanely good. I remember the Ian's video from 2016, and God, did I cheer for that rifle. I also did cheer for the revolver, but hey, one can't have everything.
Mr McCollum, I really appreciate your videos, as user of a Manurhin, shoot in double action, you'll be faster and as much sharp as in simple, thank you for your work, and all the best for the future, you lucky owner from a FRF2
On the bright side, when you hit the target with the 357, you know it's a hit.
Is a hit on what WAS a target 😇
Which may be quite nice if day 2 has any of Ian's nemesis; the pistol spinner. One hit, two hits, spun! 😇
@@jonathan_60503 i dont know on that one sure the 357 will be nice but a revolver and reloads arent the fastest and are pretty often due to the 6 rounds
@@timewave02012 pretty untrue. Kinetic energy is energy no matter what. Thats why .38 Super dominates Pistol Matches.
@@darrengarcia4937 (230 X 825)/1000 = 190 PF. (158 X 1300)/1000 = 205 PF. Pretty close honestly. Definitely more energy for the target and for your hand but similar capacity to knock over targets. Major is 165 and minor is 125 for reference.
"Did anyone see where my speedloader went?" was a common phrase from Ian when we shot pretty much any pistol stage.
*not a good idea intensifies*
@@SwissFusilier at least Doge dog was well represented!
@@znutar represemnt!
@@SwissFusilier wow such represent very fame
@@Alphonselle Volpodinger... best fake cause, I ever fake died for
13:05 I love how voice-over Ian sounds utterly confused over French Ian's war cry
I couldn’t help but feel like he was referencing that “Dean Scream” meme where that politicians shouts really weird and awkwardly 😂
cri de guerre, in this case..
@@CHPMP5 My word. I never thought I'd see a Howard Dean reference in 2021. Do you remember when everybody on the internet spent their weekends blogging about Howard Dean in Starbucks with a PowerBook G4? Halcyon days. Did he make the same sound in the full-auto M14 video?
French Ian: WHHAAAaaaaaaaaaa!
Voice over Ian: UUuuuuHHg?
@@AshleyPomeroy I was probably about 8 at the time so suffice to say not really 😅
But I’ve definitely heard similar type sounds from Ian before but for whatever reason this video made me think Howard Dean specifically haha
A Manurhin, a FAMAS and an fr-f2. The guy takes 3 unicorns to a competition. Ultimate flex
MR-73 isn't that rare, PA MAS G1 would be better.
Ian must have had some kind of set bonus from that as well
@@Zmeeed01 cool points +3, speed -5
The FAMAS was a very common weapon, also used by the french Gendarmerie and Police.
Till the Germans managed to sell the french the "Hitler & Boche HK416" rifle.
I could not believe my eyes when I saw theb Gendarmerie carrying the Hitller & Boche a few years ago during the Cannes film festival....
@@totalitaer. all that fuss for a rifle that is just a german copy of the M4A1 with more rails. X/
I really hope that 3D Printing will one day allow me to print a Famas F1 and a good FR-F2.
Even with the revolver handicap, gun jesus still out performs me and most of my buddies
"Gun Jesus" that's freaking hilarious and spot on! 🤣
The guy can shoot accurately.
Man, I'm terrified of the few guys who somehow shot stage 4 faster than Ian did. That was incredible
The top shooter had a net time of 1.88 seconds (after the 5 15 second bonuses)
The number 1 guy literally threw the kettlebell to the bonus line every throw.
@@tacamo21 And took off, immediately after that kettlebell had left his hands. Most other competitors waited until it had landed, before they started running.
@@sorenlilienthal1368 good observation
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis Tbh, Russell Phagan aka sinister rifleman mentioned that, when he analysed Zack's perfornance on this stage.
“I thought it would cool to do a French theme”. Totally shocked 😳
Not me 😂 Regards from France 😉
c'etait obligee!
@@khaelamensha3624 salutations, frere
@@michelguevara151 Merci bonne soirée et à demain pour le prochain épisode de Ian au pays des serpents à sonnettes 😉
@JOe DeLeon Well true but well that s the American touche 😉😇
I think all of the people who said "it was not a good idea" forgot to factor in the style points you get from using a MR73. 😎
Total agreement -Ian brought a thoroughbred to a donkey race, I feel...
I carried a revolver on duty for many years. I see two areas for improvement. 1. Your weapon has a reputation for a great double-action pull, use it. It is faster. 2. Get better speed loaders. The turn knob HKS style is cheaper but is also slow. Try the Safariland J-K2C COMP II or it's equivalent for your revolver. It does not rely on gravity to work. It pushes the rounds into the chambers. This means it is faster and you can load at angles an HKS can't. Just use the loader to hold the rounds in the chambers while you close the cylinder.
I came here to suggest Safariland speedloaders too. Thanks!
Yup, Safariland Comp III or JetLoaders. Both are far, far superior to HKS.
Hey but nothing equals the perfection of the MR73, in coolness and in trigger precision
As a revolver loving southpaw I LOVED the reload with speed loaders. If you're among the commons this may appear clumsy but Ian is doing it properly and well. Kudos Ian, keep practicing with that French beauty.
I too am a Southpaw and Ian gives me all of the hope that I can fire any gun I want from my left side lol
I noticed that too. His reloads on the first stage were impeded because he kept his left hand firing grip. No way to hold the cylinder open, and using the non-dexterous hand for the speed loader. On the second stage he used a technique closer to Massad Ayoob’s “stress reload” where he grabs the cylinder with his off hand. That’s what I do when I reload. A proper lefty reload with a revolver can be just as fast, if not faster, than a righty stress reload.
@@xanostermann9030 I'm awful I swap.to right hand and reload that way.
He's doing fine, I don't think he went that bad with the revolver, seems that the FAMAS and the Tennis ball launcher were more of a problem.
@@Rrgr5 the tennis balls are a sod to aim.without orsctice
Ian, I want to give you credit for running the .357 for a match like this. My EDC is a compact, polymer-framed .357 (weighs in at 19oz unloaded), as I am frequently in the woods in Northern Wisconsin, with bears and wolves being fairly typical sightings (for city carry I do use .38+p handloads, but same gun, 158gr Hydrashocks are my lead of choice for both my .38 and .357 handloads). For this reason, I do a lot of shooting and speed drills with .357, and as your video demonstrates, speed loading with a revolver is a fair bit slower than even a slow reloading of an automatic. Add the absolute beating you will take shooting that many rounds of .357 rapidly with any size of revolver, and I fully appreciate the feat of endurance you are going through with your choice in handgun. You have my respect.
Yeah, there are some insane people out there that can speed load insanely fast (thinkin peeps like Jerry Miculek), but any mortal will be at a significant disadvantage against a semiauto pistol.
Which pistol do you have in 357? A friend has a glock in 10mm, but that's more for deer than bears
It was a good idea to bring the Manurhin, it just wasn't a winning idea haha
This!
Correct as for shooting 12 targets Ian should have ask for another sidearm... A mg42 or a 88mm 🤣
He should have asked if he could bring a backup gun instead of reloading. Like a ruby. 😁
@@tarmaque Yeah, he should've just kept New York Reloading Manurhins haha
Who needs to win when you can have fun?
The camera operator did an amazing job, especially on the four targets Ian shot through the minivan!
Not to mention when he ran into Ian.
"Revolvers: the bolt action infantry rifle of fighting pistols."
come to think of it, the only time either of those two obsolete legacy weapons would be highly effective is in a situation where you’ve severely outmaneuvered your enemy and have the drop on them so you only need a couple shots. While that’s ludicrously difficult with a rifle in combat, it seems pretty easy in a 2 AM gas station robbery
@@araknidude not obsolete, still in gendarmerie armouries. [thankfully]
@@michelguevara151 there is nothing obsolete about a revolver, as long as you don't want to shoot more than 6 rounds, or surpress it, or reliably fire rimless cartridges, or have a light gun, or want single action trigger presses after the first shot
In fairness, a well-made revolver like the MR73 was still pretty much the most reliable and one of the most accurate pistols possible in 1973, which is why the French chose them for the elite operators. Unlike a bolt-action today where there is no matching even an average semiautomatic with the best bolt-action rifle, an MR73 can put six shots on target just as fast as the average semiautomatic. It is only after those first six shots that it looks inferior. The problem Ian had was that he didn't have the training the original users did. French GIGN put about 150 rounds a day through their MR73s precisely so they never missed. If he had gotten six hits with every load, Ian would have only been a little behind the 9mm high-capacity semiautomatics in actual time.
@@genericpersonx333 Yes it is more accurate than a tilting barrel pistol, but that doesn't matter on most applications even SF guys have with it. It's not like you shoot hundreds of meters with pistols.
No a MR73 cannot put 6 shots on a target as fast as a pistol can, because you are shooting 357 vs 9mm and you have to cock the hammer after each shot.
Ian's shooting was not what makes the MR73 obsolete. It doesn't matter how many shots he missed because with a Glock or a hipower he would have to reload once at best and be faster at that
"On ne passe pas"... Seriously Ian, France vibrates when you say these words. Thanks for your videos.
Congratulations to the cameraman. Some very immersive nice shots above Ian's shoulder.
"and so jesus was tempted in the desert"
It really looks like a lot of fun ! Love the video, as always. And your choice of firearms !
Holy crap Khanseb, I've watched alot of your airsoft videos, it's cool that you watch forgotten weapons too
Used to watch your airsoft shooting videos when I was growing up, good to see you here!
At what point did you realize that a 357 mag revolver, while cool, wasn't a good idea?
Pretty much the first stage where I had to use it...
@Forgotten Weapons enjoyed the match footage keep up the awsome content and Happy Thanksgiving
@@ForgottenWeapons and that's when he knew, he'd fucked up. 🤣
Great video, loved every minute of it.
@@ForgottenWeapons I knew you were going to have a bad time with it but I respect the fact that you fought through it instead of giving up.
@@ForgottenWeapons mais magnifique quand meme, Ian!
The self-imposed handicap is just trainimg to be better reloading and more accurate.
Amazing video, i feel like the underdog of your loadout was actually the FAMAS, the FR F2 worked fantastic and the shortcomings of the sidearm was because of course it was a revolver, so it had a disadvantage by design (using it was a nice flex though)
The FAMAS however, felt like was holding you back with that stiff trigger, seemed uncomfortable in general and made trouble with your concentratiom
Correct but I may add that I used the famas with the bipod all the time. The change of pull on the trigger seems to have been a factor too. Once I saw one of our shooting instructors use a famas like a handgun... at 200m. He was a former GIGN member. After that when you went checking your score, well, you went retrieve the scrapes of your ego too 😂
It's a military infantry rifle, they're pretty much all like that
I think it's also fair to say that what held him back the most was that he clearly didn't practice much with the weapon combo, the trigger issue is something you'd notice and account for fairly quickly once it was made obvious by some time practicing going from one gun to another.
Certainly the combo of fantastic DMR/sniper rifle, a fantastic but unnecessarily powerful revolver and a great assault rifle with a less great trigger isn't an optimal impromptu combination of weapons. =)
@@Uryendel there are plenty of military rifles better.
I say this every video but I legit love this guys videos, I’d say he’s 100% the best gun tuber
I legit think you aren't legitimately using legit legitimately. But, ya, he's awesome!
@@snootdingo9365 I don’t know man, I’m legit the most legit legitismiser that even legit a legit legitimately
@@johngagnon1365 I am legitimately confused.
I must say I REALLY like Henry and Josh too. And Henry can shoot like nobody else I have seen. Including snipers and DM I know.
I also kind of like Flannel Daddy, when he keeps politics out of his vids.
@@PalleRasmussen haha yeah I totally agree, While Ian’s pretty much my celebrity crush, everybody else is equally interesting to watch, I also appreciate the lack of politics, makes em a joy to watch
As an internet denizen, I have a roughly six second attention span; the running commentary voiceover REALLY makes these match videos for me. Thanks for the content, engagement number go up!
I REALLY like the 'Only Dropped Once' patch.
Haha, with your full French load-out & trademark facial hairstyle you are truly a modern Musketeer! Whether Athos, Porthos, Aramis or D'Artagnan I've yet to figure out.
Looked a lot of fun.
Amazing comment 😂 not Porthos as Ian should gain at least 120 pounds 🤣 An Aramis of weapons? 😇
@@khaelamensha3624 Aramis was very Christian, and Gun Jesus is Gun Jesus after all, so...
@@khaelamensha3624 Thank you. Aye I think you may be right with Aramis being the best fit.
@@PalleRasmussen Yup, one of the reasons I think Khaela nailed it with Aramis. "Un pour tous, tous pour un" - Le fusil mousquetaire Jésus
Sure, competitively, these weapons were maybe not the best choices but HUGE respect for you for going with the whole French theme, even more so since I'm French.
ca fait plesir :-)
Clair... Je vais finir par écrire au cema ou à une autre autorité pour faire de Ian un citoyen d honneur !
Moi jsuis québécois :)
@@cheezuscrust7730 Tant que tu as le Français ou la France dans ton cœur, tu restes un des nôtres à mes yeux :)
@@DivingHawker lol OK mon ptit chou!
At this point you remember that $2K purchases a nice wheel gun, not hits.
It wasn't hits that were the problem, but only six shots. I used to shoot with some guys who were insane revolver fanatics. They could all make reliable hits, but in an 8 target plate run they were at a significant disadvantage to the semi-auto guys. Even when we gave them a two plate handicap so they could finish without reloading, they had to make every shot or they'd lose. That said, the ässhole with the Mateba autorevolver still came out in the top three most of the time. That thing was deadly, and he was a crack shot with anything. He's one of the reasons I never shot rimfire in that match.
@@tarmaque The Mateba was a rimfire? I’ve seen various Mateba and Chiapas (which seem related but might not be) but have never fired one.
@@nickbeckwith6211 I've never actually seen a Mateba rimfire, but from what I read it holds 14 rounds of .22 Long Rifle and is not a revolver. However I was a little unclear. We shot two classes: Centerfire and Rimfire. He shot a custom Ruger Mk IV for the rimfire class. The rimfire class used rimfire silhouettes- seven rounds about the size of a half-dollar and a chicken. I've seen him clear it in around three seconds from 20 feet. His Mateba was .357 Magnum but loaded with .38 special. (There are some springs or something you have to change for the lighter rounds.)
I learned more from this bad run with bad gun choices than any other run. Thanks for sharing it.
Remember the words of Philosopher Denis Diderot: "On n’est point toujours une bête pour l’avoir été quelquefois." (Being a fool sometimes does not make one a fool all the time.)
Should have got the PAMAS G1 for sidearm.
Edit: Basically a Beretta 92F copy but the slide was crap, after about 6000 round it shattered due to bad material.
Interesting I did not know about that
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Yeah it was used during my time in the legion in the 80-90's and not the best pistol but in this case for sure better then that revolver.
Also fun fact, the company that made that pistol planned to redo the slide in stainless but went out of business before so.
Then there was the Mac 50, also a 9mm pistol made in early 50's if I recall it right. I actually think that Ian had one and done some shooting with it, if so he should have chosen that one ;)
Both pistols are now being replaced by Glock 17 that will be the new standard sidearm.
The special forces use HK USP as sidearm and done that for some time.
Thanks I knew the French adopted a version of the Beretta but couldn't remember the designation.
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Totally agree on that.
When I was in the legion we had the Mac 50 in our regiment but I saw the G1 around, it was an disaster.
The Mac 50 however was a descent pistol however those we had showed their age and they were used a lot in the field.
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Another true statement.
I wonder if Ian will be using the MAC 50, the PAMAS G1, the HK USP OR going full "tacticool" with a Glock 17 in his next French Operative after the MR 73 "It was not a Good Idea".
HK USP was used (now replaced with Glocks) by Army special forces 1st RPIMa, but with HK 416, HK USP compact is the Navy handgun but Commandos Marine (Navy SF) use Glock 17 or 19 with different rifles but no FAMAS, so if he is going cold war "standard soldier" the MAC 50 would be the only option, with some tuning (fixed sights) it is not too much a handicap with its 9 rounds magazine.
I think he should go full WW2 French Resistance and have someone air drop an FP 45 Liberator to him on the range. He has to shoot and reload the Liberator until he successfully hits, at which time he gets to trade up for a "captured" Walther/Luger and comparable set of German WW2 weaponry for the remainder of the match. In fact, this sounds like a great idea for a themed shooting event, make everyone do it!
@@jg8263 Yes, first stage a Liberator then according to your score next stage with a .32 or a P08, P38, Radom, Browning HP, again according to your score a K98 or a G43, FG42, StG 44...
PA MAS G1
whoever was doing the camera work did amazing, particularly getting the shooter and the target both in most shots
Nothing wrong with choosing a revolver. I'm a wheelgun guy all day long. Only thing I could say as an outside observer would be that double action would have been a better shot
I guessed but had to Google the expression wheel gun. I've learnt something new today, thanks. 🇬🇧
Really amazing performance. It's also a nice demonstration of how the best revolvers are still lacking when compared to decent semiautos
Shout out to whoever did the camerawork for this one. Gettin all of Ian's best angles
The video footage from the stages is really impressive! First I have to say, I really like the more focused lens on the camera, you get the feeling of being there realy up close, not missing the slightest detail... Very Movie like ;)
And the general image quality is also super nice! Overall a really "welcome variety" to the usual "action cam wide-angle footage" In my opinion! More of that please :)
"On ne passe pas" That's mah man 😂
allez y Ian!
8:50 - the muzzle blast making the brass on the car jump like it's on a drum make that revolver seem even more powerful than it actually is.
Man got to love the french spirit ! Cheers from a french fan !
on est plusieurs il me semble :-)
@@michelguevara151 😉😂
Thank You Ian, You have given me my Dream Match Video!!! You choosing the FR-F1!!! The Famas!!! And the MR73. Ian Really Thank You, Such a Great Video And really really great part, No Carl,,, he ruins match videos
This kind of experimentation during a match is one of the primary reasons I fell in love with Forgotten Weapons and InRangeTV. Thanks Ian!
I like that Ian doesn't pretend to be the greatest shooter alive or some amazing marksman(though props he does make good shots on some of his vids), and seeing his mistakes is better than just seeing a highlight reel like some other channels would do with their content. Every challenge is that - a challenge, if you don't make mistakes you never learn what your weaknesses are and where you need to improve and work on and every mistake is a chance to learn and experience something new.
Everytime I get on to watch something I love this channel more. 5 years on, still loving it. Keep up the great work man.
Your choice may not have been a good idea, but it sure made this a pleasure to watch.
the sudden swiss caught me off guard. :D
Es isch halt au kei gueti Idee gsi🤷♂️😜
I bet this would have been easier with 38 special. However at the end if the day you have to be extremely accurate when you only have 6 shots and no quick reloads. Its why GIGN trained so much, honestly i think revolvers are obsolete for police and military.
Correct and Ian should practice DA shooting, if he's using a revolver again, which I doubt. A MAB PA15 would be exotic enough for his taste. I spotted too many misses with SA shooting for my taste and he's also a bit handicapped at being left handed, when reloading that MR 73.
Only insofar as the stages required more hits than the revolver could hold. A revolver still is still extremely effective if only engaging a solitary or 2 targets.
For police and military, I agree, but for niche units like GIGN there are niche cases where they would be useful, such as inside an airliner with reduced velocity frangible ammo and no worries if the slide will cycle.
@@RobVon well we have frang ammo for military sidearms commonly now. It was a good idea for the time not so much anymore.
I wrote a story about a retired Army officer that was caught in a surprise attack armed solely with his M9 that jammed. After he got out he armed himself with a revolver. He made the comment of if you can't hit your target with six shots what makes you think you will with eighteen. He ended up fighting a gang of 14. He did about as well as Ian.
I always hear that argument in favor of the 1911 -- "if eight rounds of .45 won't do the job ..." To which I respond I like that Luger drum. Better to have it and not need it, &c..
Doesn’t the m9 hold 15 rounds standard?
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M9A3 17+1
@@calvingreene90 ah, guess I’m dumb
@@DeliveryMcGee Well.. the convenience from weight and form factor is also a thing that counts. When the shit finally hits the fan, does the benefits of the drum outweigh all the other dis-advantages compared to a typical pistol kit? Asking this out of curiosity, not to argue you.
Man idk why but im so damn glad to hear that joy in Ian's voice when he speaks about his brand new FR-F2 so i'm sincerely happy for him.
Like, man im happy for u and since u'll most likely read this - good luck finding something as exciting as this piece if its even exists
Much respect and love from FRANCE🤙
Really interesting and enjoyable video, i hope some of the other participants known from RUclips upload videos as well. @09.35...Thats why the Military never go for "velcro" (other brands are available) fastenings, nearly always pull tab types. Looking forward to the next one.
"Revolvers: the bolt action infantry rifle of pistols."
I'm not sure why you expected the revolver to be a good choice when you insisted on shooting it only in single action. I appreciate that you were willing to challenge yourself by bringing a revolver, but why didn't you challenge yourself to shoot double action?
This is awesome. I know I won't have the money to compete in something like this, but I am wondering if Ian and Karl can come up with an "Elbonian" division in the future (no armor) and all manual (no semi-auto) 2 gun setup
Or maybe having a 3d gun be a 12 gauge firing slugs that you have to carry through the whole match (based on the Elbonian practicality).
You could shoot the Partisan division that's just pistol and carbine you can put together and AR with a 1-6 optic fairly inexpensively and a service size semi auto handgun is not that expensive
AR's are not allowed in my state, so practicing wouldn't really work out. Even if that wasn't a problem, Ammunition to do practice and the travel costs to be a part of the event would be more than I could afford.
@@gnarly6 what state do you live in? There are state compliant models.
Yes finally was waiting a long time for the fr-f2 fire
Ian!! THIS WAS AWESOME!!
Its hard to believe your content has been getting MORE interesting over the years, good grief, you're the man 👍🏼 Much love from the Slav hordes.
Great idea!
Love the unique load out more memorable..
This is why we like your channel it’s a different flavour.
Please keep it up!
Who cares if it isn't a good idea. That is a classy revolver.
Don't know if I'd say "revolver not so good", but for damn certain "revolver needs more practice". =)
Fantastic stuff, love seeing the Frenchies in action, especially that FR-F2!
Trying to reload the MR-73 left-handed is a tough row to hoe. It’s quite a bit easier for a righty and with some practice can be respectably quick. I was surprised Ian went single-action only. One would think the MR-73 in DA would be up to the task. Still super awesome to watch! Love seeing the French kit in action!
Finally! I've been checking my feed and looking DB2020 videos for days now!
great footage. Looks like a lot of fun!
Was going to skip over this ( not especially into the practical shooting videos) but once I saw Ian was busting out the 357 revolver, that was the hook that drew me in!
Woohoo, thanks Ian, I've been waiting all week!
your video editing has improved a lot, good job!
Sweet vid as always Ian!!
Not a single miss, that FRF2 was worth every cent!
frf2 is lookin pretty juicy, impressive 1st round hits!
Did you get a new camera Ian? Things look crisper ngl :)
Totally digging the period correct competition with old guns. Extremely cool.
Hats off to the cameraman who filmed this, he did an awesome job!
8:53 I love those camera movements. Well done, Mr. Cameraman!
What you lost in time and efficiency, you made up for in gaul and badassery
Cool to see the BDC on the FRG2 perform perfectly.
God bless this man for his endless military knowledge. You’re awesome, dude.
On ne passe pas !
Surgical with the FR F2 👍
Love the commentary on this one.
as a Frenchman who worked with a FAMAS for a bit, i'm very sad to not be able to get one for myself when i get back to civilian life but glad to see you have a beautiful F1
Awesome job. And I know you say that the revolver was a pain, but you did really well with it, just the same. 👍
Love the (new?) camera with deeper focus and (I guess) 60fps it show good dynamic movement in those videos.
I hope this gives you an appreciation of the GIGN training required to field this revolver. Good work.
I love the 80's field camera look of the video! Great shooting Ian!
That FRF2 really is a thing of beauty.
Dont cock the hammer, reloads are always slow on a revolver. but you can be just as fast shooting a revolver as a striker auto or single action auto with pulling the trigger all the way through. Your revolver is of the best ever made! Jerry Michuleck would love to teach you, and a collaboration of you being taught by Jerry would make for an epic video! IMHO. (please make that happen)
That would be rad. I'd watch that and probably everyone else.
Yes yes YES
Please make this happen O Mighty Internet Gods...
The MR73 is a wonderful piece but the GIGN spirit is to perform a job with the fewer shots fired as possible. You plaid with a handicap there. Nice performance though.
Bravo Ian, un plaisir de te voir evoluer avec de l'equipement francais.
That FR-F2 is putting in some work. Like damn.
Long time listener, first time caller here. You talk the talk and walk the walk dude.
I love how that rifle, which on paper looks like an oddball, is insanely good. I remember the Ian's video from 2016, and God, did I cheer for that rifle. I also did cheer for the revolver, but hey, one can't have everything.
Mr McCollum, I really appreciate your videos, as user of a Manurhin, shoot in double action, you'll be faster and as much sharp as in simple, thank you for your work, and all the best for the future, you lucky owner from a FRF2
It's fun to see you off script getting pumped up and stuff. Please keep doing things like this!
Thanks Ian!
Great job! This looks so fun. I really want to try these competitions. Just found the firearm world and am hooked.
Video quality looking great man! 👍
3:32 When the French said "let them eat cake" i didnt know they meant this
A little late, but I have to say, really good camera being used here. The picture quality is so clear!
I'm really diggin' those double buckle boots. Scored me a pair from Varusteleka and am quite impressed.
Your long range precision with the FR-F2 is seriously impressive.
Great shooting on your long distance efforts 👌!
Damn Ian out here flexing that new Manhurin. Okay Ian, i see you