This podcast is an American treasure. I love seeing you guys have challenging discussions on polarizing topics, disagree on the conclusions, and then end by sending virtual hugs, and come back next week and do it again. This is what makes America great, free thinking individuals arguing and ultimately coming together for the benefit of all. We fall far short of that ideal, but it's awesome and we should never lose sight of it.
I think this is a value-add opportunity for the All In .. to charge for advanced access to the pod for persons such as yourself who would like it earlier in the day on Friday? and the rest who don't need it can still see it later in the day?
lol. Is podcast quality more important than timeliness? The variance in quality ( IMO ) - (and dont get me wrong, all-in still way way above par on avg) - is the hardest thing to keep high level and, in the end, goes much more under appreciated. Proud that I haven’t missed one since started watching at like Ep 120 ish.
I love how nuanced Sacks opinions are. He seems genuine in not taking the obvious position based on his political affiliation and actually being fair about what he’s discussing
Do you have any knowledge of the data on what's happening to our kids brain chemistry and social media? If so, you'd be disgusted with his pivot to make it seem like maybe it's just all the pills. I don't need more data on the link between social media use and mental health. He seems so painfully naive and it's this luxury fake intellectuals have of pretending everything is agnostic untill 99% of science proves it. He never once acknowledged the NYT article that was pulled up. He never tried to look up these things independently to say there is no proof of harm. The mental health is proof of harm. Now you ask about unique to tiktok harms, which I would argue is a strawman. There's tons of data on how tiktok is uniquely perversive in terms of the scale of the privacy invasion. Beyond that, you have to be really dumb to think the same people who allow their own citizen no privacy would certainly not spy on Americans en masse
Unless, it involves foreign policy cause I can predict his stance on any foreign policy 10/10 times. lol Outside of that, I completely agree and it’s refreshing to watch his thought process the guys brilliant
Matt Taibbi reminds the Patriot Act lessons: "In 2004 the George W. Bush administration defined “enemy combatant” as “an individual who was part of or supporting Taliban or al Qaeda forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States.” Yet in oral arguments of Rosul et al v Bush later that year, the government conceded an enemy combatant could be a “little old lady in Switzerland” who “wrote a check” to what she thought was an orphanage."
It's crazy how composed and impartial David Sacks was during the discussion with Jason and Chamath on TikTok, even when he was outnumbered. His viewpoint on the government's exploitation of law bills is quite intriguing. Other besties, although experienced in business, seem to have less legal expertise than Sacks. Jason came across as an irate patriot, while Chamath appeared to be more concerned about his privacy. Of course, these reactions are understandable. But only Sacks was able to discern the loophole in the bill, which could allow the federal government unrestricted power over American companies due to the vagueness of the language and the lack of concrete evidence. I researched the educational background of the besties and discovered that Sacks is the only one with a law degree. He holds a Juris Doctor (JD) degree and spent four years in law school. No wonder he was so knowledgeable on this issue. It would be disastrous if no one was scrutinizing the bill or had the expertise to identify the dubious definition within it. I really admire Sacks' firm stance based on his legal expertise and his concern for the matter. But it's good to see different perspectives. So overall, a high-quality debate.
What’s sad is it doesn’t take a law degree to know governments, both foreign and domestic, seek to centralize power. Sacks/Friedberg are the only ones using American ideals to simultaneously temper neo-liberalism and the public’s whiplash to autocratic tendencies. People will call him pro-china just like they call him pro-Russia with his Ukraine position.
Russ Feingold (Wisconsin Democrat) was the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act when it was first introduced in 2001, saying that its provisions infringed upon citizens' civil liberties.
@@niels9066if you broaden your horizons (point of view) you will see that it makes perfect sense and that right wingers claiming freedom is in reality an oxymoron
@@niels9066don’t forget the other two Democrats, Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, Patrick who was against it and holding it up if I remember correctly, and Tom, the majority leader was expressing concerns over civil liberties, both falling in line for the Patriot Act right after receiving anthrax letters. Side note on our dystopian future, I was trying to refresh my memory using ChatGPT and it was like pulling teeth… or getting Gemini to paint a picture of a white family, to get it to admit to the basic chronological order that Patrick was against the Patriot act before receiving the anthrax letter. It was determined to make me understand how wildly speculative it would be to think the two issues could ever be remotely connected.
India just announced today they were dropping Tesla's tax obligation for buyers of cars to 15% from 100%!!! The one caveat is that Elon has to invest half a billion in a new manufacturing facility. Consider it done, since he had already committed to finding a location for a new gigafactory in India.
I’m with Sacks on the TikTok debate. Despite the fact I don’t care for the App, I don’t trust the government one bit to not abuse this law to go after political enemies. Freedom is what made the United States into the world superpower, and we always need to choose freedom over security.
These boys are completely afraid to talk about the real underlying issue, which is that a much more insidious country (located between Egypt and Syria) is controlling our speech.
@@imperator_odin What does this have to with trust? Or maybe we should trust our government? Yeah. Just trust? Huh. Trust. Trust. What are you on? It's a fucking app. If you don't want to use it. Don't use it. What type of idiot can't not use an app?
Sacks made undeniable points on why the language of the bill is horribly over reaching. I think 'banning tiktok' is still a separate debate that we can continue to explore. I thought they also did a good job highlighting the broader subject of overall digital privacy -- which is the real elephant in the room. Privacy is possible but it takes diligence and verification at every layer of the tech stack from the silicon up. This could and should become the norm for consumer electronics imho.
Sacks is the only lawyer in the group, so he's harping on the language being too broad but I still think TikTok is in general bad for Americans. Makes people depressed, fries their dopamine receptors, and is owned by our biggest foreign adversary. Sacks is right that the bill is poorly written, but that's different from whether or not we should ban TikTok or force the Chinese to sell it.
@@HurricaneChise Nowadays, all social media apps are trying to grab users attentions and their time. IMO they are all bad and Tiktok is obviously the most successful among all apps. Now you can kick Tiktok out of US but it doesn't take a day for Meta or others to publish it's alternative, which can be equally bad if not worse. LET THE CONSUMERS DECIDE, NOT YOU NOR THE CONGRESS.
@RK1974 Where was he off base ? Thought he handled the concerns raised in a reasonable and rational manner ? It's easy and does not take much bravery to say ban anything that's remotely China or Russia related. It takes guts and intelligence to present a more nuanced position in these polarised times.
All he argued was that the language is too broad. Which is true, he's also the only lawyer on the pod so he really understands the implications of overly broad legal language. At the end of the day, an app that brainwashes 100 million Americans, shouldn't be owned by our largest adversary. That feels like common sense. And if you think I'm using "brainwash" too lightly, there is plenty of research on the effect all social media has had on people's anxiety, depression, and polarization towards other Americans. American-owned social media is bad enough, Chinese owned social media feels like shooting ourselves in the foot.
@@fungyee77the solution provided by chamath seems logical. Separate the company and servers from CCP control. You won’t need to ban either but allows you to maintain sovereignty over citizens data.
Wow. The TikTok debate was as tortured and contorted as I have ever seen by these gents. My takeaway: jason is whoring himself out to some undisclosed financial agenda (probably been offered a place in Mnuchin’s cap table). Chamath is uncharacteristically sloppy in his thinking (where there’s smoke there’s fire? Are you fucking kidding me Chamath?) Friedberg seemed genuinely terrified to even opine, so who knows what toes he’s afraid to step on. Sachs is the hero here. He’s asking the basic questions of the kind that should have been asked during the Patriot Act (non)debates (as he rightly pointed out) and he dismantled each of Jason and Chamaths nonsensical groupthink talking points one by one. I disagree with a lot of what David Sachs has to say, but his analysis on this was both brave and brilliant. This guy is the real deal.
Yes this comment is based. Both Chamath and Jason’s arguments are evidently low effort rhetoric. I listen to the pod from time to time, and I can’t recall any time when Sacks would give obviously intellectually dishonest arguments
Chamath is absolutely on point. Sachs is right the legal language needs to change, but his politics prevent him from appreciating the true danger of the situation per usual. We can't continue being so gullible with our enemies. Allowing a police state that is openly preparing for war against us to bug every household in America is nuts.
@@AikinaiIts funny because Google bought Nest and did the same thing with thermostats. Also bought 23andMe. Its so naive to pretend Tiktok isnt almost completely run by the CIA
At least the debate on the bill itself. And also totally destroyed Chamath's 'muh unanimous vote' point -- which he then refused to let go and appeared more foolish the longer he harped on about it. They always agree when screwing us the hardest. You might have like, Rand Paul, voting against such a bill all by himself. Uniparty is real.
@@davidc2838 Lifted 800 million people out of abject poverty in a span of 30 years is plenty right, but whether right or wrong, the last country that has any right to judge the Chinese government is the imperialist US government.
We will all deeply regret it if this bill gets passed. Same feeling I had about the patriot act. We cannot trust our government haven’t we learned anything
@@enlighteneddoggo5803 Big American tech bugs you already. Do you think they don't sell your data to the highest bidder regardless of who it is? Naive. Facebook has already proven to curate its data to fit one side -- that is freedom?
Amazing commentary by Friedberg combining the topics of failure, decision making, and poker. Incredibly vulnerable and straight from the heart -- you love to see it!
The most obvious fix to this microphone issue is to put a physical switch that cuts the microphone out. They know this, they aren't doing it. That is all you need to know. They are being instructed to not fix it.
@@Radioghost717 Fair enough, my opinion was the same as his. I love animals, would lose my shit if I came home to two with no prior notice. It was funny to me that no matter how rich you are, relationships are still the same
1:18:13 The All In Podcast isn't just good; it's the best podcast out there! It's like listening to a masterclass in entrepreneurship, tech, and life all rolled into one. Plus, where else can you hear billionaires banter like old pals? It's the podcast that sets the bar high!
Another phenomenal episode gentlemen! Each time I tune in, I'm blown away by the depth of insight and the breadth of topics you cover. Your discussions are not just informative; they're inspiring! Thank you so much for consistently delivering such high-quality content. Can't wait for the next one!
This is maybe the best and most informative episode theyve done. Truly special. Attacking all the most topical and relevant issues of the day with multi faceted intellectual debate. Except nobody is hamming it up for ratings, nobody cares about catering to a special interest, and theres no time slot they need to fill. Just genuine conversation
1. TikTok is created as a separate app from Douyin (Chinese version of TikTok) because of different content moderation criteria to comply with Chinese law (e.g. you can still search for anti-China content in Tiktok where it would be impossible in Douyin). Also, data protection is handled separately for these two apps 2. Chinese people largely live on complete freedom as long as they don’t touch on sensitive political topics (assuming Chinese people have limited freedom in their daily life is common misunderstanding in the West) 3. China and the U.S. are different regimes and have different approach on handling political content. Most educated Chinese people can still have foreign social media apps though via VPNs (understand its not ideal but it is very easy to set one up and VPNs are implicitly allowed in China) 4. Most apps will listen to you in the phone if they are turned on in the background. Closing them off in the background every time might be troublesome and do American people really cannot understand this and make a choice on what apps they want to have in their phone? Just felt there were quite a lot of misunderstandings when they talked about issues related to China. And glad the Davids were able to make his points that are grounded and based on facts in my views.
On AI's copyright problem: Just like back in the 70's when #IBM announced that they would offer a service to have IBM systems digitally store music and make it available via CD burners in record stores for a fee - the record companies said "I don't think so." Well, it's the same thing in our opinion with the use of training data by #AI businesses that plan on making money. Today's computers are creating derivative works from training data autonomously. But it is still derivative of someone else's work, therefore that work needs to be compensated financially EVEN IF that data is in the public domain.
This is my favorite episode of the pod. The debates were sharp and thought provoking. The content was relevant and captivating. The ending was hilarious. I found myself agreeing with all of you guys at different points. Thanks for making this pod guys, cheers!
Love the ability to hear different perspectives thoughtfully expressed here. I’m grateful for the ability to listen to a media source that leaves me feeling genuinely more informed in such a relatively short span of time.
There’s a solid reason for the concern on ticktok from Jcal and Chamath, but Sacks is on another level analyzing the implications of it and Friedburg took it to a whole new and higher level.
Thanks everyone. You bring some sense through discussion and debate. It helps sum up a long week of what seems to be contionous chaos and intentional gas lighting by the powers to be each week! so cool and helpful.
Loved the pain and suffering discussion. I’ve recently left (pushed out) of a high paid exec job at a US tech company. I’m now at a start up with none of the bells and whistles I’ve been used too. The need to endure and get by with a much lower salary and deal with that pain and suffering for the potential “big win” has been refreshing and each day I’m happy I’ve made this step. Also I am free from the DE&I brainwashing which I no longer need to parrot. Happy days ;)
As somebody who lives in a college city in the USA. I am a 35 year old high school graduate who became a supervisor in a chemical plant. I have 3 people who report to me with a chemistry degree. This is all in the past 1.5 years. Happy hunting stem! There are good jobs for HS grads in the midwest people! 70-100k, houses cost 150k with front and back yard! MOVE!
1:30:14 JCal taking pat on the back for "intellectual discourse being second to none". I 100% agree. I always feel smarter after watching this podcast. Love it and keep up the good work.
Chamath and Jason are being naive on the TikTok legislation and although Sacks is having a tough time crystalizing the issue; He is spot on with the questioning. The last time national security legislation was passed unanimously we ended up with the Patriot act which was ultimately a massive violation of privacy and ultimately a power that is abused to this day. This TikTok legislation falls in the same boat.
You guys should make clips of these single chapters, no matter how long and post it on official "All In Podcast Clips" channel. Tried and tested by Rogan, to make this podcast go viral. The individual chapters discussions are so valuable. Like and Reply to this Comment to make this comment reach top so JCal can see it.
Agree with Sacks cautious views vis-a-vis TikTok bill. The 50-0 vote at committee only confirms that the language of the bill politically useful to both parties in terms of the powers it grants them. [edit: though I also agree that there is cause for concern about spyware] Chamath's point about Digital Media and games being weapons of mass distraction that interfere with cognitive development.
A few years ago I had been developing a horror film set in a Chinese electronics factory with people relatively high up in Hollywood. After phone call with my father, who was in Vietnam, facebook started showing adds in Vietnamese with with severed heads and mutilated corpses. Apple needs to find a way to have a microphone that can be physically detached from the circulatory with a switch. Funnily enough at the time there was no way to notify Facebook that their platform had been weaponised this way.
lol, you think facebook didnt weaponize it themselves? facebook literally came to my company (who runs consumer credit scores/records) to share our data and match it to every single digital ID they have of you, to know real life finances of your life, i.e. house, mortgage, car loan, credit cards, student loans, rent payments, phone bill, etc. Luckily this shut down after the cambridge analytica stuff blew up.
One of the best shows yet! Was great to hear discourse and different views passionately on the same pod and nobody backing down. I normally disagree with Sachs but was great to be on same team as him and I just really love how friedberg is much more involved - I love his fire, passion and way of thinking. Please find ways to include Friedberg in more. Also, awesome seeing Jcal at the airport and grabbing a pic with him! Super nice guy!
Oh my goodness, that dog story from Friedberg, Jason, and Chamath was absolutely delightful! Thank you all for sharing such a heartwarming tale. It really made my day! Speaking of dogs, did you hear about the dog who became a pastry chef? He makes pupcakes that are out of this world!
TikTok terms of service: an track your keyboard clicks (eg. store your bank account info, credit cards, and passwords when you type it in) to improve their "predictive typing" and figure out how you think, not to mention full access to your search history.
Jason you were right, this was the best collection of debates that have existed on the show. I also don't disagree this was more thorough and intellectual than anyone in Congress had on these subjects.
3 points @ the TikTok ban: 1) Both Android &iOS allow open mic eavesdropping; 2) This hasn't been addressed, and won't, because our IC uses it and businesses use it; 3) I investigated this on Android with IG and found that giving the app Camera permissions implicitly enables the mic which effectively enables eavesdropping. It is noteworthy that there are no granular permissions for photos vs videos nor camera vs mic. Chamath is right about the unanimous vote, IC and no public evidence.The Davids are right to demand proof. Sacks' point about vague language and potential misuse are dead on.
When your poor you just have to let your pet die. I know you think you're gaining sympathy by complaining about your bill but the fact that you got to save the life of your animal us poor folk had to let our animal die while we watched as they killed it because we couldn't afford the procedure to save it isn't really cool. I know that's not a perspective you really thought of or intended but just wanted to mention it.
It’s not their responsibility to take on our problems. Yeah it sucks being poor, but don’t sit and expect them to watch what they say ti protect your feelings.
@@andybrody no but they don't need to complain about it like it was some huge burden It's a blessing to be able to save your animal because you have the money to do so not something to complain about like a burden. Especially since it was consciously chosen to put it the front of the show like it was somehow signaling how caring and virtuous and loving people they are.
@@andybrody we're not having an organic conversation at the spur of the moment they consciously curated and created this content edited it and published it so that you would be able to view it and have some opinion You just mindlessly shove it into your face without thinking I'm glad I was able to bring it to the forefront of your consciousness.
It's insane how the framing of the TT issue is being singled out for them NOT suppressing Pro-Palestinian sentiment, all while FB, YT, X, etc. are suppressing at the request of a foreign power. When a Chinese social media allows more free speech than American owned, we are in trouble.
This podcast is an American treasure. I love seeing you guys have challenging discussions on polarizing topics, disagree on the conclusions, and then end by sending virtual hugs, and come back next week and do it again. This is what makes America great, free thinking individuals arguing and ultimately coming together for the benefit of all. We fall far short of that ideal, but it's awesome and we should never lose sight of it.
Well said
100% true.
we do not “fall far short of that ideal” it is alive and well everywhere in this country get out more
Washington DC just passed a law that mandates the All-In weekly podcast must be released before Friday evening commute home
I think this is a value-add opportunity for the All In .. to charge for advanced access to the pod for persons such as yourself who would like it earlier in the day on Friday? and the rest who don't need it can still see it later in the day?
DC is always over stepping 😅
agree.
I believe TikTok should be ban, but this bill is wrong. (C) should be deleted from the bill
lol. Is podcast quality more important than timeliness? The variance in quality ( IMO ) - (and dont get me wrong, all-in still way way above par on avg) - is the hardest thing to keep high level and, in the end, goes much more under appreciated. Proud that I haven’t missed one since started watching at like Ep 120 ish.
I love how nuanced Sacks opinions are. He seems genuine in not taking the obvious position based on his political affiliation and actually being fair about what he’s discussing
And, Jason parroting the contemporary media.
Do you have any knowledge of the data on what's happening to our kids brain chemistry and social media? If so, you'd be disgusted with his pivot to make it seem like maybe it's just all the pills. I don't need more data on the link between social media use and mental health. He seems so painfully naive and it's this luxury fake intellectuals have of pretending everything is agnostic untill 99% of science proves it. He never once acknowledged the NYT article that was pulled up. He never tried to look up these things independently to say there is no proof of harm. The mental health is proof of harm. Now you ask about unique to tiktok harms, which I would argue is a strawman. There's tons of data on how tiktok is uniquely perversive in terms of the scale of the privacy invasion. Beyond that, you have to be really dumb to think the same people who allow their own citizen no privacy would certainly not spy on Americans en masse
@@goodday3023 Which is honestly a good foil for Sacks as it let's him elaborate more directly in opposition to 'the narrative.'
Unless, it involves foreign policy cause I can predict his stance on any foreign policy 10/10 times. lol Outside of that, I completely agree and it’s refreshing to watch his thought process the guys brilliant
Sachs is my favorite conservative...
Matt Taibbi reminds the Patriot Act lessons:
"In 2004 the George W. Bush administration defined “enemy combatant” as “an individual who was part of or supporting Taliban or al Qaeda forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States.” Yet in oral arguments of Rosul et al v Bush later that year, the government conceded an enemy combatant could be a “little old lady in Switzerland” who “wrote a check” to what she thought was an orphanage."
Friedberg admitting he is now in violation of county ordinances of keeping more than three pets per residence… I feel your pain!
It's crazy how composed and impartial David Sacks was during the discussion with Jason and Chamath on TikTok, even when he was outnumbered. His viewpoint on the government's exploitation of law bills is quite intriguing.
Other besties, although experienced in business, seem to have less legal expertise than Sacks. Jason came across as an irate patriot, while Chamath appeared to be more concerned about his privacy.
Of course, these reactions are understandable. But only Sacks was able to discern the loophole in the bill, which could allow the federal government unrestricted power over American companies due to the vagueness of the language and the lack of concrete evidence.
I researched the educational background of the besties and discovered that Sacks is the only one with a law degree. He holds a Juris Doctor (JD) degree and spent four years in law school. No wonder he was so knowledgeable on this issue.
It would be disastrous if no one was scrutinizing the bill or had the expertise to identify the dubious definition within it. I really admire Sacks' firm stance based on his legal expertise and his concern for the matter.
But it's good to see different perspectives. So overall, a high-quality debate.
What’s sad is it doesn’t take a law degree to know governments, both foreign and domestic, seek to centralize power. Sacks/Friedberg are the only ones using American ideals to simultaneously temper neo-liberalism and the public’s whiplash to autocratic tendencies. People will call him pro-china just like they call him pro-Russia with his Ukraine position.
the bill on it's face is nonsense. What is tiktok doing that any other app isn't? This is just more racism against the Chinese.
Hear hear.
Agreed. Strange how fast chamath folded to his personal privacy concerns without recognizing the systemic issue at hand here
Fair assessment. This episode made me value my poli sci education much more preventing myself from becoming another Chamath
Russ Feingold (Wisconsin Democrat) was the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act when it was first introduced in 2001, saying that its provisions infringed upon citizens' civil liberties.
The Patriot act needs to go
Russ was pure gold.
@@dlbugge agreed. Hard to imagine he was a democrat...
@@niels9066if you broaden your horizons (point of view) you will see that it makes perfect sense and that right wingers claiming freedom is in reality an oxymoron
@@niels9066don’t forget the other two Democrats, Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, Patrick who was against it and holding it up if I remember correctly, and Tom, the majority leader was expressing concerns over civil liberties, both falling in line for the Patriot Act right after receiving anthrax letters.
Side note on our dystopian future, I was trying to refresh my memory using ChatGPT and it was like pulling teeth… or getting Gemini to paint a picture of a white family, to get it to admit to the basic chronological order that Patrick was against the Patriot act before receiving the anthrax letter. It was determined to make me understand how wildly speculative it would be to think the two issues could ever be remotely connected.
“The secret in life is to have low expectations” - RIP Charlie Munger
“Expect nothing and you’ll never be disappointed” was my grandfather’s favorite saying. RIP Syd Burg.
India just announced today they were dropping Tesla's tax obligation for buyers of cars to 15% from 100%!!! The one caveat is that Elon has to invest half a billion in a new manufacturing facility. Consider it done, since he had already committed to finding a location for a new gigafactory in India.
@@chiragmehta8212yeah I agree
Or in UP. Its going to overtake Gujarat eventually
This is a huge win-win for Tesla and India. Taking longer than I'd like!
Karnataka would work well too....@@chiragmehta8212
I’m with Sacks on the TikTok debate. Despite the fact I don’t care for the App, I don’t trust the government one bit to not abuse this law to go after political enemies. Freedom is what made the United States into the world superpower, and we always need to choose freedom over security.
I think that mentality is also part of what has got us into the mess we are currently in culturally, etc.
These boys are completely afraid to talk about the real underlying issue, which is that a much more insidious country (located between Egypt and Syria) is controlling our speech.
Lol.. trust China
@@imperator_odin What does this have to with trust? Or maybe we should trust our government? Yeah. Just trust? Huh. Trust. Trust. What are you on? It's a fucking app. If you don't want to use it. Don't use it. What type of idiot can't not use an app?
@@imperator_odinWhos trusting China? I just dont trust our government either. I read the entire bill, its not good.
Sax and Frieburg demonstrated a consistent level of higher intelligence.
Sacks argues for the citizen’s individual freedom and Friedberg argues for the freedom to experiment on the individual citizen.
more i hear Chamath i learn how d umb as shole he is @@zacboyles1396
Actually sacks argument is simple , just dont let the app listen in to you (if it does) or collect sensitive data etc. let the user have the choice.
Chamath's tiktok argument is terrible.
...or maybe you just agree with their POV? Which is fine, but that's different from objectively "higher intelligence".
Sacks is making some very good points about the TikTok ban. I was on the side of banning but now I changed my mind.
Sacks made undeniable points on why the language of the bill is horribly over reaching. I think 'banning tiktok' is still a separate debate that we can continue to explore. I thought they also did a good job highlighting the broader subject of overall digital privacy -- which is the real elephant in the room.
Privacy is possible but it takes diligence and verification at every layer of the tech stack from the silicon up.
This could and should become the norm for consumer electronics imho.
Sacks is the only lawyer in the group, so he's harping on the language being too broad but I still think TikTok is in general bad for Americans. Makes people depressed, fries their dopamine receptors, and is owned by our biggest foreign adversary.
Sacks is right that the bill is poorly written, but that's different from whether or not we should ban TikTok or force the Chinese to sell it.
@@HurricaneChise is Meta also bad? Snap? Instagram? Your argument works against them
@@HurricaneChise Nowadays, all social media apps are trying to grab users attentions and their time. IMO they are all bad and Tiktok is obviously the most successful among all apps. Now you can kick Tiktok out of US but it doesn't take a day for Meta or others to publish it's alternative, which can be equally bad if not worse. LET THE CONSUMERS DECIDE, NOT YOU NOR THE CONGRESS.
Sacks is the adult in the room on the TikTok discussion. Well argued.
Sacks and Friedberg seemed to be the only rational ones about Tik Tok. Jcal is painful to listen to when it has anything to do with China
@RK1974 Where was he off base ? Thought he handled the concerns raised in a reasonable and rational manner ? It's easy and does not take much bravery to say ban anything that's remotely China or Russia related. It takes guts and intelligence to present a more nuanced position in these polarised times.
All he argued was that the language is too broad. Which is true, he's also the only lawyer on the pod so he really understands the implications of overly broad legal language.
At the end of the day, an app that brainwashes 100 million Americans, shouldn't be owned by our largest adversary. That feels like common sense.
And if you think I'm using "brainwash" too lightly, there is plenty of research on the effect all social media has had on people's anxiety, depression, and polarization towards other Americans.
American-owned social media is bad enough, Chinese owned social media feels like shooting ourselves in the foot.
@@fungyee77the solution provided by chamath seems logical. Separate the company and servers from CCP control. You won’t need to ban either but allows you to maintain sovereignty over citizens data.
Wow. The TikTok debate was as tortured and contorted as I have ever seen by these gents. My takeaway: jason is whoring himself out to some undisclosed financial agenda (probably been offered a place in Mnuchin’s cap table). Chamath is uncharacteristically sloppy in his thinking (where there’s smoke there’s fire? Are you fucking kidding me Chamath?) Friedberg seemed genuinely terrified to even opine, so who knows what toes he’s afraid to step on. Sachs is the hero here. He’s asking the basic questions of the kind that should have been asked during the Patriot Act (non)debates (as he rightly pointed out) and he dismantled each of Jason and Chamaths nonsensical groupthink talking points one by one. I disagree with a lot of what David Sachs has to say, but his analysis on this was both brave and brilliant. This guy is the real deal.
Sachs is consistently the most based and intellectually honest person on this podcast.
Sach is always right
Yes this comment is based. Both Chamath and Jason’s arguments are evidently low effort rhetoric. I listen to the pod from time to time, and I can’t recall any time when Sacks would give obviously intellectually dishonest arguments
Based.
At least 3 out of the 4 here are being influenced by zi0nists.
Chamath is absolutely on point. Sachs is right the legal language needs to change, but his politics prevent him from appreciating the true danger of the situation per usual. We can't continue being so gullible with our enemies. Allowing a police state that is openly preparing for war against us to bug every household in America is nuts.
The tiktok debate was really good. You guys literally debated it more than congress did
They went through 90% of it on Chamath’s asinine assumption that Tik Tok has unfettered mic access! It was a terrible debate and waste of time.
Enough dog crap talk to last a lifetime.
@@AikinaiIts funny because Google bought Nest and did the same thing with thermostats. Also bought 23andMe. Its so naive to pretend Tiktok isnt almost completely run by the CIA
That Chuck Norris story was really awesome. Thanks for saving the dog Jason.
Sachs won the TikTok debate when he brought up the Patriot Act
At least the debate on the bill itself. And also totally destroyed Chamath's 'muh unanimous vote' point -- which he then refused to let go and appeared more foolish the longer he harped on about it. They always agree when screwing us the hardest. You might have like, Rand Paul, voting against such a bill all by himself. Uniparty is real.
Not really. He should have called out the fact that IL is the reason they are banning Tik Tok.
Legal and Law corner by Sacks is the equivalent to Science Corner with Friedberg.
Tbh it doesn't make much legal knowledge to know you should not rob/ban a company when they have done nothing wrong.
@@darthvadeth6290 The Chinese GOVERNMENT, who functionally Owns / Controls TikTok has done PLENTY wrong...that's the problem.
@@davidc2838 Lifted 800 million people out of abject poverty in a span of 30 years is plenty right, but whether right or wrong, the last country that has any right to judge the Chinese government is the imperialist US government.
Sacks should start a separate podcast just on geopolitics and bring in a bunch of experts from all sides. I’d listen to that no question.
We will all deeply regret it if this bill gets passed. Same feeling I had about the patriot act. We cannot trust our government haven’t we learned anything
Banning everything is so much easier than educating consumers. Let educated consumers decide, how do we get people to want to learn 😆 love you guys!
Educating consumers isn't a solution to a foreign adversary bugging every household in America.
@@enlighteneddoggo5803Assuming people are stupid is the problem. Freedom has risks
@@enlighteneddoggo5803 Big American tech bugs you already. Do you think they don't sell your data to the highest bidder regardless of who it is? Naive. Facebook has already proven to curate its data to fit one side -- that is freedom?
Amazing commentary by Friedberg combining the topics of failure, decision making, and poker. Incredibly vulnerable and straight from the heart -- you love to see it!
Definitely an example of what we should hear congress debating, but we rarely do. Well done. Thank you!
The most obvious fix to this microphone issue is to put a physical switch that cuts the microphone out. They know this, they aren't doing it. That is all you need to know. They are being instructed to not fix it.
American tech firms would not allow it - the data they get is used all the time
This weeks ranking:
1.Autist Sacks
2.Quiet Friedberg
3.Random Jason
4.Rambling Chamath
Jason has a great "roll up your sleeves" moment to inspire startups to have more grit at 20 minutes in.
Freidberg losing his shit about his wife fostering two dogs was hilarious
You can be rich and still suffer from something we've all dealt with
@@hitempguy not funny cuz he’s rich. Funny cuz he’s a robot
@@Radioghost717 Fair enough, my opinion was the same as his. I love animals, would lose my shit if I came home to two with no prior notice.
It was funny to me that no matter how rich you are, relationships are still the same
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1:18:13 The All In Podcast isn't just good; it's the best podcast out there! It's like listening to a masterclass in entrepreneurship, tech, and life all rolled into one. Plus, where else can you hear billionaires banter like old pals? It's the podcast that sets the bar high!
Friedberg always goes 1-100 so fast in debates it’s hilarious🤣
Christopher Walken impression on point
The most intelligent, balanced and nuanced TikTok debate I’ve seen thus far.
No, the completely missed the underlying issue.
Except Jason lmao
I love how fired up Friedberg was about his two new dogs
The beeped F bombs were 🤌
Could really empathize with that rant. I would feel exactly the same way.
Another phenomenal episode gentlemen! Each time I tune in, I'm blown away by the depth of insight and the breadth of topics you cover. Your discussions are not just informative; they're inspiring! Thank you so much for consistently delivering such high-quality content. Can't wait for the next one!
David Sacks is the man. He is a great long term thinker and knows what really going in with this TikTok divestiture.
No real talk about Chamath firing a bunch of partners?
A bunch? You mean 2 partners. Why does this matter? Why do you care? Do you think you deserve to know what happens in a private business?
Real talk only about others companies.. not their own
@imperator_odin that was literally one of the caveats that had to be met for them to start to pod, watch the first few episodes
@@Player-oz2nkwhat do you mean? They talk their own book all the time. That should be the first thing they should stop doing.
@@mensrea1251 they literally had a founder on last episode to talk up Groq, right? Isn’t that Chamath’s investment..
The reason why Sacks is the most insightful is simple....he knows what he's talking about and brings receipts. Dude says he read the bill 4 times 👍
This is maybe the best and most informative episode theyve done. Truly special. Attacking all the most topical and relevant issues of the day with multi faceted intellectual debate. Except nobody is hamming it up for ratings, nobody cares about catering to a special interest, and theres no time slot they need to fill. Just genuine conversation
Shout out from South Africa 🇿🇦. Just signed in, 2:20am this side
"What's Desantis's BEEF with fake meat?" LOL
Bless Friedberg’s wife for taking in dogs who needed a home ❤️. Also props to Jason’s wife too.
Yeah it's amazing what being rich and having no responsibilities can do for your altruism.
Actually it was a horrible thing for a partner to do to someone.
Sacks is right on Tiktok.. As usual, the most sober and rational thinker.
1. TikTok is created as a separate app from Douyin (Chinese version of TikTok) because of different content moderation criteria to comply with Chinese law (e.g. you can still search for anti-China content in Tiktok where it would be impossible in Douyin). Also, data protection is handled separately for these two apps
2. Chinese people largely live on complete freedom as long as they don’t touch on sensitive political topics (assuming Chinese people have limited freedom in their daily life is common misunderstanding in the West)
3. China and the U.S. are different regimes and have different approach on handling political content. Most educated Chinese people can still have foreign social media apps though via VPNs (understand its not ideal but it is very easy to set one up and VPNs are implicitly allowed in China)
4. Most apps will listen to you in the phone if they are turned on in the background. Closing them off in the background every time might be troublesome and do American people really cannot understand this and make a choice on what apps they want to have in their phone?
Just felt there were quite a lot of misunderstandings when they talked about issues related to China. And glad the Davids were able to make his points that are grounded and based on facts in my views.
Jasón and Chamath definitely have wrong ideas of China
On AI's copyright problem: Just like back in the 70's when #IBM announced that they would offer a service to have IBM systems digitally store music and make it available via CD burners in record stores for a fee - the record companies said "I don't think so." Well, it's the same thing in our opinion with the use of training data by #AI businesses that plan on making money. Today's computers are creating derivative works from training data autonomously. But it is still derivative of someone else's work, therefore that work needs to be compensated financially EVEN IF that data is in the public domain.
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This is my favorite episode of the pod. The debates were sharp and thought provoking. The content was relevant and captivating. The ending was hilarious. I found myself agreeing with all of you guys at different points. Thanks for making this pod guys, cheers!
My favorite podcast. Hope these Besties continue to do this show for a long, long time.
Friedberg swearing his head off about the dogs just made me love him. So damn funny!!!!!
I ❤ Sacks and Friedberg on this eps! ❤
Really loved Chamath’s story of his child, ADHD and the family response to it. Much respect for his opinion and stand he’s taken.
One of the best episode. Keep it up guys.
Love the ability to hear different perspectives thoughtfully expressed here. I’m grateful for the ability to listen to a media source that leaves me feeling genuinely more informed in such a relatively short span of time.
There’s a solid reason for the concern on ticktok from Jcal and Chamath, but Sacks is on another level analyzing the implications of it and Friedburg took it to a whole new and higher level.
David rant at 17:00 is golden. True entrepreneurship is that.
David Sachs is my spirit animal
Thanks everyone. You bring some sense through discussion and debate. It helps sum up a long week of what seems to be contionous chaos and intentional gas lighting by the powers to be each week! so cool and helpful.
I agree with Sacks. It is important to get the truth about tiktok before banning it.
How does this pod get better and better with time? Always interesting. Love the topics, love the debates, love the deep thought, jokes. Dope show.
Go David!
Sachs is so on point and also has such good reasons behind the tiktok issue.
Freidbergs points are up today
Loved the pain and suffering discussion. I’ve recently left (pushed out) of a high paid exec job at a US tech company. I’m now at a start up with none of the bells and whistles I’ve been used too. The need to endure and get by with a much lower salary and deal with that pain and suffering for the potential “big win” has been refreshing and each day I’m happy I’ve made this step. Also I am free from the DE&I brainwashing which I no longer need to parrot. Happy days ;)
As somebody who lives in a college city in the USA. I am a 35 year old high school graduate who became a supervisor in a chemical plant. I have 3 people who report to me with a chemistry degree. This is all in the past 1.5 years. Happy hunting stem! There are good jobs for HS grads in the midwest people! 70-100k, houses cost 150k with front and back yard! MOVE!
they will be passing you up soon in salary and promotions.
Friedberg was awesome on this episode! So many great points
Here in less than 10min after upload 🙌
1:30:14 JCal taking pat on the back for "intellectual discourse being second to none". I 100% agree. I always feel smarter after watching this podcast. Love it and keep up the good work.
Chamath and Jason are being naive on the TikTok legislation and although Sacks is having a tough time crystalizing the issue; He is spot on with the questioning. The last time national security legislation was passed unanimously we ended up with the Patriot act which was ultimately a massive violation of privacy and ultimately a power that is abused to this day. This TikTok legislation falls in the same boat.
Gentlemen, it is so refreshing ~ and engaging ~ to hear civil discourse between those who admire & respect each other. ~ Keep at it! 👏👏
Dances with Wolves backdrop for Friedberg. 👍👍
Jcal is right about these conversations and the importance of the debates around these topics. All in pod #1
You guys should make clips of these single chapters, no matter how long and post it on official "All In Podcast Clips" channel. Tried and tested by Rogan, to make this podcast go viral. The individual chapters discussions are so valuable. Like and Reply to this Comment to make this comment reach top so JCal can see it.
Such a good pod!
You will never get this type of honest back and forth in the mainstream media.
Agree with Sacks cautious views vis-a-vis TikTok bill. The 50-0 vote at committee only confirms that the language of the bill politically useful to both parties in terms of the powers it grants them. [edit: though I also agree that there is cause for concern about spyware] Chamath's point about Digital Media and games being weapons of mass distraction that interfere with cognitive development.
I agree with Sacks. After all the fallout from the Patriot Act I have zero trust in our government’s intentions. As they say never waste a crisis.
A few years ago I had been developing a horror film set in a Chinese electronics factory with people relatively high up in Hollywood. After phone call with my father, who was in Vietnam, facebook started showing adds in Vietnamese with with severed heads and mutilated corpses. Apple needs to find a way to have a microphone that can be physically detached from the circulatory with a switch. Funnily enough at the time there was no way to notify Facebook that their platform had been weaponised this way.
lol, you think facebook didnt weaponize it themselves? facebook literally came to my company (who runs consumer credit scores/records) to share our data and match it to every single digital ID they have of you, to know real life finances of your life, i.e. house, mortgage, car loan, credit cards, student loans, rent payments, phone bill, etc. Luckily this shut down after the cambridge analytica stuff blew up.
I appreciate the variety of perspectives, and the elastic nature of moderation, responding as needed for balance:)
Loved hearing the personal stories in this one 🙏
Saturday morning, light run with the best podcast... Hits Different.
Sacks hit the ball out of the park (as usual).
One of the best shows yet! Was great to hear discourse and different views passionately on the same pod and nobody backing down. I normally disagree with Sachs but was great to be on same team as him and I just really love how friedberg is much more involved - I love his fire, passion and way of thinking. Please find ways to include Friedberg in more. Also, awesome seeing Jcal at the airport and grabbing a pic with him! Super nice guy!
Oh my goodness, that dog story from Friedberg, Jason, and Chamath was absolutely delightful! Thank you all for sharing such a heartwarming tale. It really made my day! Speaking of dogs, did you hear about the dog who became a pastry chef? He makes pupcakes that are out of this world!
Kudos to Friedberg, he is most logical person on the team 👏
TikTok terms of service: an track your keyboard clicks (eg. store your bank account info, credit cards, and passwords when you type it in) to improve their "predictive typing" and figure out how you think, not to mention full access to your search history.
you mean like American firms who mine and sell our data to the highest bidder.
One of the best episodes. Bravo!
Excellent point at 43:12. 100% agree.
are you from the future
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Lol!
These guys are as bought off as Congress when it comes to that little country on the Med.
Admire Sacks and Freidberg for their rational thought behind the TikTok ban, even though it may not be the most popular opinion.
Jason explains the TikTok issue perfectly!
Jason you were right, this was the best collection of debates that have existed on the show. I also don't disagree this was more thorough and intellectual than anyone in Congress had on these subjects.
god i love the into's thank you
Yes!! Thanks for saving and keeping the dogs Friedberg! 🐶🐶❤❤ and for Jason and Chamath paying big vet bills to save the dogs! 🌟🌟
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Sacks is the GOAT lately. Spot on here with the TikTok analysis.
Sacks is a genius when it comes to TikTok. Not this potential harm crap or control and protect the citizens. Friedberg next for being reasonable.
Please get Karp on the show.
Absolute favorite podcast nowadays.
lol that opening was epic!
3 points @ the TikTok ban: 1) Both Android &iOS allow open mic eavesdropping; 2) This hasn't been addressed, and won't, because our IC uses it and businesses use it; 3) I investigated this on Android with IG and found that giving the app Camera permissions implicitly enables the mic which effectively enables eavesdropping. It is noteworthy that there are no granular permissions for photos vs videos nor camera vs mic. Chamath is right about the unanimous vote, IC and no public evidence.The Davids are right to demand proof. Sacks' point about vague language and potential misuse are dead on.
When your poor you just have to let your pet die. I know you think you're gaining sympathy by complaining about your bill but the fact that you got to save the life of your animal us poor folk had to let our animal die while we watched as they killed it because we couldn't afford the procedure to save it isn't really cool. I know that's not a perspective you really thought of or intended but just wanted to mention it.
It’s not their responsibility to take on our problems. Yeah it sucks being poor, but don’t sit and expect them to watch what they say ti protect your feelings.
So they should have let their pets die because you’re poor?
@@andybrody no but they don't need to complain about it like it was some huge burden It's a blessing to be able to save your animal because you have the money to do so not something to complain about like a burden. Especially since it was consciously chosen to put it the front of the show like it was somehow signaling how caring and virtuous and loving people they are.
@@andybrody we're not having an organic conversation at the spur of the moment they consciously curated and created this content edited it and published it so that you would be able to view it and have some opinion You just mindlessly shove it into your face without thinking I'm glad I was able to bring it to the forefront of your consciousness.
@@catseyes2334 sounds like you should find another show to watch if you don’t like hearing rich people talk 😂
Sacks is always the based hero. Literally love.
Now I can start my weekend!
Damn sacks and friedberg both geniuses.
Alex Karp took a stance on Israel btw.
It's insane how the framing of the TT issue is being singled out for them NOT suppressing Pro-Palestinian sentiment, all while FB, YT, X, etc. are suppressing at the request of a foreign power. When a Chinese social media allows more free speech than American owned, we are in trouble.