Recently started watching your content bro and i really appreciate what you do. I live out here in Guam and its very hard for us to stay up to date being so far from the mainland. So sharing your content with my community here really helps when we meet up and play. Keep doing great bro. Thank you.
10:52 in this case how is it different for say turn 1 broom, turn 2 snake? Both go into the bag I resolve snake first and bounce broom. Brooms ability is still in bag but doesn’t work because you can’t banish from hand? Or what is the difference. He is no longer in play but his ability did still have a trigger for the other character being played. I know it doesn’t work like that, just want to know why it doesn’t work like that
@@ryanh7517 great question and this does come up quite a lot. If you pull the snake effect from the bag first the broom would have to be returned to the hand and in order to trigger the broom it must be sent to the discard. If you pull the broom first you will draw but the snake will still require a trigger and the broom is now gone. So you would need another character to bounce or the snake will have to be sent to the discard!
Correct, Brooms' ability requires to be banished, which cannot happen when a card is in-hand. Banishing from hand is not a thing. So when talking about the bag, Brooms' ability and Snake's ability go in the bag. If you pull out Snake's ability, Broom's ability is taken out next, but because Broom's in-hand, the ability cannot be resolved.
this video has actually confused me on a ruling that was codified by a judge in one of my set champs. the part of the video saying another, in set 4 I played a Christmas deck with lady Tremaine and bibbidi bobbidi boo. which states you can return a character to your hand and play another with the same cost or less. if you have no hand and draw into bibbidi and play it to bounce Tremaine to hand the wording on the card seems like you cant replay the same card, but the ruling with that was deemed that you can replay it due to the hand being undisclosed to your opponent. The judge went further and said even if you have a full hand you can replay the same card for the same reason.
I disagree with the Beast ruling at 17:05 The cards says "draw". It's not a "may". You don't have the option to not draw. Therefore, you have to remind your oppenent that he HAS to draw, same thing as getting lore from locations imo.
@@benflag2887 Vegas DLC had an incident with Beast. Judge was called. He told the Beast player to draw (draw is mandatory if Beast is not damaged) then issued both of us a warning for “game state”. It falls on both players to maintain game state :(
I wanna say, No Rabbit trigger goes in bag when banished along with diablo being banished. When they resolve from bag and actually draw, diablo is gone does not see the draw
It's hard to call for these types of human-error mistakes. Stuff like Beast can be easily resolved by triggering him before the draw instead of doing it after (you're still effectively drawing 2), but some other cases, like the new Scar, where the damage has to occur, could be game-altering. So for this case, it's more on the judge to determine how far back they are willing to revert play. It's a hard call, so it's best to remember the exact timing of these triggers, to not give chance for people to call. And if a case that happens where a Judge needs to make a call, always defer to the judge, even if you don't agree to the call.
If this was a virtual client, mandatory triggers would never be missed. However, since humans make mistakes, things can and will be missed. That is why there is a play correction guideline for it which mentions that if a missed mandatory trigger does happen, there are guidelines to follow to see if we add it to the bag or not!
@@iee_Phil thanks for the info. As a judge if you're called over for this would you let the player take his additional card since it's not a may? Or is it just too late.
@@craigo1432 Unfortunately, for Beast, the point of awareness is passed once you have drawn for your turn without drawing for beast. In the play correction guidelines, the remedy is that the opponent has the option of adding the beast trigger to the bag which is pretty rare for someone to allow.
@@iee_Phil good to know. A judge in Vegas gave opponent and me a warning for "game state". Judge told us that it's both players job to maintain game state. Mandatory triggers must happen and can't be skipped. Opponent missed a Beast draw in game 1 and I missed a location lore gain in game 2. For game 2 we decided to just add the lore (not call judge) fearing judge would give us another warning.
I had my own issue with a judge at a lorcana set champ. I played a Tamatoa, So Shiny and got an Item from my discard and my opponent got a judge over and complained I didnt reveal it. I said the cards text doesnt say to reveal the card, but he insisted. As far as I can tell, if a card doesnt specify to REVEAL a card you get back from the discard, Im not gonna reveal it and honestly I shouldve left when the judge got an attitude about it
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Recently started watching your content bro and i really appreciate what you do. I live out here in Guam and its very hard for us to stay up to date being so far from the mainland. So sharing your content with my community here really helps when we meet up and play. Keep doing great bro. Thank you.
I really love your video style and your commentating.
@@JMBKrihm well you are in luck because there will be much much MUCH more to come
Love judge Phill, what an awesome episode thank you!
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That simba/smee ruling was great 👍 thanks!
Always great to see two esteemed members of the community collabing. great info!
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Beast is not a may effect so how does that work?
10:52 in this case how is it different for say turn 1 broom, turn 2 snake? Both go into the bag I resolve snake first and bounce broom. Brooms ability is still in bag but doesn’t work because you can’t banish from hand? Or what is the difference. He is no longer in play but his ability did still have a trigger for the other character being played. I know it doesn’t work like that, just want to know why it doesn’t work like that
@@ryanh7517 great question and this does come up quite a lot. If you pull the snake effect from the bag first the broom would have to be returned to the hand and in order to trigger the broom it must be sent to the discard. If you pull the broom first you will draw but the snake will still require a trigger and the broom is now gone. So you would need another character to bounce or the snake will have to be sent to the discard!
Correct, Brooms' ability requires to be banished, which cannot happen when a card is in-hand. Banishing from hand is not a thing. So when talking about the bag, Brooms' ability and Snake's ability go in the bag. If you pull out Snake's ability, Broom's ability is taken out next, but because Broom's in-hand, the ability cannot be resolved.
Awful video, couldn't concentrate on the video with such a good looking host distracting me.
@@RadpenguinPerson LOL! Phil is stunning I had a hard time making it
Indeed
this video has actually confused me on a ruling that was codified by a judge in one of my set champs. the part of the video saying another, in set 4 I played a Christmas deck with lady Tremaine and bibbidi bobbidi boo. which states you can return a character to your hand and play another with the same cost or less. if you have no hand and draw into bibbidi and play it to bounce Tremaine to hand the wording on the card seems like you cant replay the same card, but the ruling with that was deemed that you can replay it due to the hand being undisclosed to your opponent. The judge went further and said even if you have a full hand you can replay the same card for the same reason.
I disagree with the Beast ruling at 17:05 The cards says "draw". It's not a "may". You don't have the option to not draw. Therefore, you have to remind your oppenent that he HAS to draw, same thing as getting lore from locations imo.
@@benflag2887 Vegas DLC had an incident with Beast. Judge was called. He told the Beast player to draw (draw is mandatory if Beast is not damaged) then issued both of us a warning for “game state”. It falls on both players to maintain game state :(
If i have a diablo exerted and my opponent has a rabbit on the field if my opponent plays be prepared and draws for rabbit do i draw for diablo ?
I wanna say, No
Rabbit trigger goes in bag when banished along with diablo being banished.
When they resolve from bag and actually draw, diablo is gone does not see the draw
you get the trigger from diablo and may draw a card.
@@claytonfrancis7616 you are right, the moment rabbit's effect resolves, diablo isn't in play anymore, so no diablo triggers
Wouldn't beast always draw since there is no "may"? I don't understand how you can accidentally miss declaring for something that HAS to happen.
It's hard to call for these types of human-error mistakes. Stuff like Beast can be easily resolved by triggering him before the draw instead of doing it after (you're still effectively drawing 2), but some other cases, like the new Scar, where the damage has to occur, could be game-altering. So for this case, it's more on the judge to determine how far back they are willing to revert play. It's a hard call, so it's best to remember the exact timing of these triggers, to not give chance for people to call. And if a case that happens where a Judge needs to make a call, always defer to the judge, even if you don't agree to the call.
If this was a virtual client, mandatory triggers would never be missed. However, since humans make mistakes, things can and will be missed. That is why there is a play correction guideline for it which mentions that if a missed mandatory trigger does happen, there are guidelines to follow to see if we add it to the bag or not!
@@iee_Phil thanks for the info. As a judge if you're called over for this would you let the player take his additional card since it's not a may? Or is it just too late.
@@craigo1432 Unfortunately, for Beast, the point of awareness is passed once you have drawn for your turn without drawing for beast. In the play correction guidelines, the remedy is that the opponent has the option of adding the beast trigger to the bag which is pretty rare for someone to allow.
@@iee_Phil good to know. A judge in Vegas gave opponent and me a warning for "game state". Judge told us that it's both players job to maintain game state. Mandatory triggers must happen and can't be skipped. Opponent missed a Beast draw in game 1 and I missed a location lore gain in game 2. For game 2 we decided to just add the lore (not call judge) fearing judge would give us another warning.
I had my own issue with a judge at a lorcana set champ. I played a Tamatoa, So Shiny and got an Item from my discard and my opponent got a judge over and complained I didnt reveal it. I said the cards text doesnt say to reveal the card, but he insisted. As far as I can tell, if a card doesnt specify to REVEAL a card you get back from the discard, Im not gonna reveal it and honestly I shouldve left when the judge got an attitude about it