Fun fact: Anne Boleyn was the only Queen Consort who was crowned with the St. Edward's Crown during her coronation. A crown usually reserved for crowning the reigning monarch, so her coronation was quite a statement. She was 6 months pregnant with the future Elizabeth I which symbolizes crowning the unborn child as the heir which they thought would be a male.
I totally agree with you! The Bohemian crown is just so very pretty! If I was being crowned for any reason, I would want to wear that one, lol! Thanks for the informative video, Allan! Keep 'em coming! You are totally rocking it!
When travelling in Europe this is one of the postcards I sent home to my family because it was so beautiful, however it seems someone else in the Postal Dept agreed for it was the only one of 200 never to arrive.
Wonderful as always.. You answer all my questions, and many I had not thought of. I would also like to see controversy dodged . I always think of diamonds as unlucky anyway. I hope she has a new crown, maybe one that looks a little like those feathery starburst hats she wears so well. I am excited to see what is chosen. I think The King will want her to wear Queen Elizabeth 1937 crown to make everyone realize she is the Queen now
The Bohemian Crown is an extraordinary piece of craftsmanship! I too wonder, as others have commented, what the British public (note I'm Australian) might feel about a new crown being made for Camilla. There are several choices she could make from the collection. Either way, she will look stunning!! Thanks again mate, cheers.
Pedantic point, the effigy of the lady next to King Henry IV is Princess Blanches stepmother, Princess Jeanne, daughter of the King of Navarre, Blanches mother was Lady Mary de Bohun, daughter of the Earl of Hereford.
@@dulcenenita6803 I'm sure that in time I will be ready to drop the term "consort", but not yet. For me, it's still too soon after the death of the Queen, who said she hoped that the King's wife would be known as Queen Consort.
@@dulcenenita6803 Yes, very true. This distinction between Queen and Queen Consort rarely comes up because, until now, far more men than women have been the monarch. I wonder what happened with those terms for the first year or so of Edward VII's reign. That's of course the last time there had been a reigning queen followed by a queen consort.
Great video as always, Allan. Do you think the tiny nuptial crown of Queen Charlotte was the inspiration for the later small diamond crown Queen Victoria wore in her widowhood?
The Bohemian crown is absolutely stunning in its delicate beauty -- a true work of art. I also hope that Camilla avoids the Koh-i-Noor and selects from one of the other existing crowns. I'd be curious, too, to see what a "modern" creation would look like, but I wonder how the public would feel about the expense involved with that sort of project.
The Kohinoor could easily be removed from the Queen Mother's crown and replaced with another gemstone. Queen Mary's crown currently contains a rock crystal replica of the Kohinoor so that could be used at a pinch. But what a waste not to use the original and what a precedent to set. Basically, no one would ever use it or see it in future as none of the numerous claimants would ever be able establish any legal right to it. Also, valuable jewels have previously been returned to one particular country (India) and never seen again because they are too expensive to insure for public display. It sounds like a "scorched earth" policy.
The Crown of Princess Blanche of Lancaster is absolutely gorgeous! I'm with you - I so wish I could see Queen Camilla crowned with it, even if it were on loan for the purpose. Dazzling atop her silver hair.
@Diana Lindeman Queen Camilla, Her Majesty Queen Camilla, Her Majesty the Queen, Her Majesty, The Queen. Enough of this 'Consort' nonsense pedalled by the Dig Up Diana campaign.
I'd like to see a new crown made ... let's be honest, the crown jewels have enough 'spares' to contribute the diamonds/pearls etc so it would mostly be designing a new frame to hold them. Something modern but un-showy to suit Camilla, if un-showy is at all possible in a crown holding millions of pounds of diamonds :) Thank you for the video, Allan, very enlightening!
Fascinating! Thank you very much for this very informative video. I was curious about all the loose stones that make up part of the royal collection which seem to be swapped in and out of various pieces. Is there an existing inventory of those? Is it possible to do a video about them?
Fantastic & Thank You!! I'm getting really excited for the coronation. Being European born in an Italian Noble Family on my father's side (Count of St. Angelo) and into 2 Papal families (Pacelli & Pecci) on my mother's side, who were noble families in their own right before they ascended the Papcy, I believe in Divine Right of Monarchs and this fascinates me. Sincerely, Dr. G.
A new crown would be wonderful. The only problem would be the breaking up of other jewellery to provide the stones but then again why not it did not bother Queen Mary.
It seems that they can pop the stones out of various settings, put them in the crown, then pop them back home. It is not like there is a coronation every year.
Allan ~ 👑 Found you by luck as I saw a tweet from @BarefootGarden9 suggesting your video re: guide to The Coronation Regalia etc, which I'm thankful for being able to see! Job well done all 👑
This is delightful! God bless the generosity of the Prince of Brunei! It never occurred to me that the Queen would get a new crown. I was hoping she would wear something older than the Queen Mum’s crown. I think it would be a bit much for her to wear the King’s beloved granny’s crown. I do hope she gets a new one. Edited to add: I hope, if she does not get a new crown she wears Queen Adelaide’s crown. The crown and the Queen both took a circuitous route and it is dripping with history and stability.
She should be crowned with one of the older gold based crowns to reflect St. Edward's crowm and then change into a 'state crown' like the Queen Mothers' or a new one or hell, the state diadem would be fine if they added some arches...
We can do nothing about it, but Mary II was the daughter of James II and should have worn the St Edward's crown, not her miserable little husband. Too bad the attitude towards queens still seemed to be a hangover from that towards Matilda about 500 years earlier. This was in spite of the fact there had been two regnant queens, Mary I and Elizabeth I before Mary II.
I don't know that a new crown would be in the works, with the shape of the British economy. it's a bit rough, and Charles has said the ceremony will be trimmed back. surely there is more stones that they could "rework" that present crown without the large diamond in question being used?
I mean they are gonna use old diamonds that already exists of other crowns the only new thing would be the design and structure of the crown, if king Charles pays for it with his own money like queen Mary paid for her crown I would have no problem
@@alexjacobs8874 on one of my videos I referred to Albert as the wife of Queen Victoria - I was a late finish and I was tired! Thanks that is very much appreciated.
Interesting! I did not know most of the diamonds in QM's crown came from Queen Victoria's circlet. I love Queen Alexandra's. The eight arches are just incredible. I would love to see something new, but I anticipate Camilla will use the Queen Mother's and set a new stone in where the koh-i-noor was. I doubt that stone is ever seen in public again, unless on display in the Tower.
Dear Mr Barton! I have a request to ask. Could you please make a video of the symbolism of the putting on of the coronets of peers and peeresses during the coronation service? Nobody could really explain the real meaning of it to me. Is it, perhaps, a symbol that no one should wear a crown until the new monarch has received his/ her crown?
I think they should use one of the older crowns in existence to crown Camilla... Charles will be crowned with a 17th century crown so it makes sense to use a similar style for Camilla and then change crowns to the Queen Mother's (if they choose) afterward. It makes sense...
Hi Allan! Forgive me, but at 0:56 in the video you mention a crown as being a mortuary crown used at the burial of Edward the Confessor. My cloth ears could not quite make out the name. Might you kindly quench my curiosity on this point? I share your enthusiasm for the Crown of Princess Blanche. It is at once both delicate and substantial. As an aside, a video breaking down the distinctions between a circlet, diadem, corolla, and whatever one calls the tiny head dress that Queen Victoria wore would be brilliant. Like dogs to spilt gravy, I assure you, we would certainly lap up that content! LOL Looking at the photograph of Queen Alexandra, not only is she burdened and heavily laden with pearls, I suspect she might have been quite the expert at holding her breath considering such restrictive garments! Finally, I should hope Queen Camilla will have a crown crafted specifically for her. It will come as no surprise that I share your reasoning on that point as well. What a joy these videos are for me. Bless you, Allan!
The latest news on this is that Camilla will wear Queen Mary' Cron and that Granny's chips and triangular diamond which is currently in a brooch fill ill the spaces currently occupied by rock crystals. The three diamond are Cullinan III, IV and V; Cullinan I being in the Monarch's sceptre, and Cullinan II being the squarish diamnd in the Imperial State Crown.
I have a couple of questions. I thought I had heard that it was decided for the new Queen to wear the Crown of Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother). Is this not the case? If the Koh-i-noor presents an issue, could it be substituted with a similar diamond, or perhaps even a lesser stone? That might avoid controversy. You make an interesting point about a new crown showcasing contemporary work. However, wouldn't a new crown run the risk of appearing "extravagant?" I suppose that could be defused if the King and Queen were to pay for such a crown personally.
Thank you for this - especially for voicing your doubts about the crown in the Museum of London being the one for Mary of Modena (at least in its present form). I always found that difficult to believe, but I've never found anyone else who believes the same way. Nevertheless it remains a mystery what happened to M of M's coronation crown. Unlike later consort's crowns it was made at public expense and so in theory should have remained legally part of the crown jewels (like the corresponding state crown and diadem), or at the least, if it was disposed of it there should be some official record of that.
It is a great mystery - I think she took her crown with her when she went to the continent. We know that James II took some other jewels with him, including the Stuart Sapphire now in the Imperial State Crown - so it plausible. I was unable to find in the course of my research any evidence of the provenance of the crown in the Museum of London. The Museum's records are next to useless in that respect. My real suspicion, given the size and that the crown is made of gilded base metal set with quartz, is that this is in fact an early 18th century votive crown from a statue of the Virgin Mary.
The controversy of showing the Koh-I-Noor would be a distraction. Couldn’t the Queen Mother’s crown be used with a coloured stone set in the front? That would be my preferred option. A completely new crown would seem extravagant in the present economic circumstances and I believe KC3 wishes to cut out unnecessary expense.
13:40 the Kohinoor was not actually an heirloom of the Sikh Empire. To begin with, the Sikh Empire didn’t really last long enough to have heirlooms. The Kohinoor belonged originally to the Hindu Kakatiya Kings and several others subsequently, each looting it after defeating the last owner in battle - until the British obtained it from the Sikh Empire.
I agree with you: Queen Camilla should have a new crown made for her, but without any controversial stones. It could even be made with synthetic stones. They can now manufacture flawless white sapphire, that sparkle as much if not more then diamonds.
Allan I don't know why I'm still feeling a bit sad and disappointed as I always imagined the vision of The King and Queen being Enthroned, both in full Regalia, holding Sceptres and Rod. Alas The Queen's hands will be empty, without her Sceptre and Rod. To me it feels like a big mistake.
I had thought that His Majesty King Charles the third has announced that Her Majesty Queen Consort Camilla would not wear the Queen Consort's crown, due to the controversy over the koh-i-noor diamond.
No announcement has been made - there has been plenty of speculation among the more ill-informed press, who seem to think there is only one crown available for the consort and do not realise that a new crown has been made for all four of the previous consorts and that these remain. It would be a small matter for a crown to be provided or adapted without the Koh-i-noor in it, that diamond being only a recent addition to the regalia. Although of historical value, the crowns are primarily working, symbolic objects and the expectation is that these objects are adapted for each successive reign. Both St Edward's crown and the Imperial State crown have already gone off to be altered for the king.
Over the centuries the Crowns have been continually changed for many reasons, the koh-i-noor is only a recent addition to the crown jewels and first used for the coronation of Queen Alexandra in 1902, been of significant Indian origin and association, it most likely was there to indicate the Queen was also the Empress of India, Queens Mary and Elizabeth (The Queen Mother) were also the Empresses of India but Queen Elizabeth II was not and neither is Queen Camilla, for that reason alone its reasonable to assume the diamond will be removed or another crown made or adapted...
"The skilled craftsmen of today" (of the time) made the coronet for the Prince of Wales's Investiture in 1969 with its monde made from a spray-painted ping-pong ball so thank goodness it has been decided that Queen Camilla will wear Queen Mary's crown from 1911!
The last three crowns are lovely, but I think they're too big and tall, plus the controversy of the diamond is not something to be desired on a day that should be happy and glorious. I think given the Queen Consort's low-key and no fuss personality, an elegant, modern, and modest crown should be fashioned for her. They could modify any of the ones already in the vault, it doesn't have to be a new one from scratch. But truly, I hope she doesn't wear a crown with "the diamond".
@@lenwilkinson672 Well, you and I are in agreement over that issue, but Queen Camilla has enough to contend with regarding the late PoW devotees. She doesn't need to add anything else to her plate, especially something that has absolutely nothing to do with her.
There is talk that Camilla may not be crowned with the same crown as that of queen Elizabeth consort of george vi. That another crown may be created for Camilla
for Camela, there should have been a standard leash, used for an average rottweiler, albeit with a bunch of fake jewels to fit her personality and looks.
@@allanbarton Your program, on the other hand, is educational, well researched and systematicall presented. That is why i am a member of your channel now. (I do remember Dianna too well, and what this dog and Chuck did to her)
@@allanbarton I feel as a wider community we have moved on from using Ivory. Also I hope to see jewels returned to where they came from. I am a supporter of the monarchy but it needs to be more respectful of the day and age we are in and the people they have ruled over
I'd prefer she wasn't crowned at all. Certainly she should not be privileged to have a new crown or to have any broken up to make her one, as these are national treasures with historic importance.
The crowns are actually working objects not simply historical artefacts. Those who made them would not really understand them being preserved in this way.
Love your information on coronation of England but just my opinion, I have no respect for both adulterers ….king Charles and his queen consort as they are not a good example for the world people who have the monarchs. Sorry for being so truthful ⚠️
Fun fact: Anne Boleyn was the only Queen Consort who was crowned with the St. Edward's Crown during her coronation. A crown usually reserved for crowning the reigning monarch, so her coronation was quite a statement. She was 6 months pregnant with the future Elizabeth I which symbolizes crowning the unborn child as the heir which they thought would be a male.
It was that 'oops' moment when a little girl arrived.
Can't tell you how much I am enjoying this series leading up to the coronation in May. Thank you!!
Very happy to oblige! Thanks for watching.
Absolutely agree!
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I saw this pop up in my subscriptions and my wife thought something bad happened since I yelped.
All the best!
Ha, ha - sorry to cause you so much pain!!!!
These videos are so very illuminating! Thank you! I look forward to further installments leading up to the coronation in May.
Glad you enjoyed them, thanks for watching!
I totally agree with you! The Bohemian crown is just so very pretty! If I was being crowned for any reason, I would want to wear that one, lol! Thanks for the informative video, Allan! Keep 'em coming! You are totally rocking it!
Thank you very much! I'm so glad you're enjoying my channel!
Me, too❗️
The color combination on King Richard II’s wife’s crown is stunning! Absolutely beautiful.
That was my favorite, so delicate.
My favorite as well! Stunning. So much prettier!
When travelling in Europe this is one of the postcards I sent home to my family because it was so beautiful, however it seems someone else in the Postal Dept agreed for it was the only one of 200 never to arrive.
Fabulous presentation! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us! 👍🏻
Much obliged, thanks for watching!
Wonderful as always.. You answer all my questions, and many I had not thought of. I would also like to see controversy dodged . I always think of diamonds as unlucky anyway. I hope she has a new crown, maybe one that looks a little like those feathery starburst hats she wears so well. I am excited to see what is chosen. I think The King will want her to wear Queen Elizabeth 1937 crown to make everyone realize she is the Queen now
The Bohemian Crown is an extraordinary piece of craftsmanship!
I too wonder, as others have commented, what the British public (note I'm Australian) might feel about a new crown being made for Camilla. There are several choices she could make from the collection. Either way, she will look stunning!!
Thanks again mate, cheers.
I think a new crown would not be likely due to current austerity in uk.
Allan, I always learn something new every time I watch your videos!! Thanks for being such an AWESOME teacher!! 👍❤👨🏫
Pedantic point, the effigy of the lady next to King Henry IV is Princess Blanches stepmother, Princess Jeanne, daughter of the King of Navarre, Blanches mother was Lady Mary de Bohun, daughter of the Earl of Hereford.
I’m hoping the “consort” talk with cease soon. Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother were never referred to as “Queen Consort”
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Truly enjoyed this! Thank you again Dr. Barton ❤
My pleasure, thanks for watching 😊
So helpful and very interesting to boot! Thank you Allan!
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Mr. Barton for all of your informative videos!
This content is brilliant. Thankyou so much. So interesting to learn more of our Colonising experiences in your academic and trystworthy voice. Bravo
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Now I can watch for Queen Consort Camilla's crown with some good background knowledge, thanks.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching.
Queen Camilla.
@@dulcenenita6803 I'm sure that in time I will be ready to drop the term "consort", but not yet. For me, it's still too soon after the death of the Queen, who said she hoped that the King's wife would be known as Queen Consort.
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Elizabeth II's mother and grandmother were also consorts, but were each called Queen
But as you wish.
@@dulcenenita6803 Yes, very true. This distinction between Queen and Queen Consort rarely comes up because, until now, far more men than women have been the monarch. I wonder what happened with those terms for the first year or so of Edward VII's reign. That's of course the last time there had been a reigning queen followed by a queen consort.
THANK YOU Dr. Allan!!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Great video as always, Allan. Do you think the tiny nuptial crown of Queen Charlotte was the inspiration for the later small diamond crown Queen Victoria wore in her widowhood?
Thank you for all this information. I'm enjoying your videos very much.
Brilliant coverage of the intricacies of crowns worn by consorts! Thanks so much Allan!
The Bohemian crown is absolutely stunning in its delicate beauty -- a true work of art. I also hope that Camilla avoids the Koh-i-Noor and selects from one of the other existing crowns. I'd be curious, too, to see what a "modern" creation would look like, but I wonder how the public would feel about the expense involved with that sort of project.
Sweptashorestudio The only reason to omit the Koh I Noor is that Queen Consort Camilla is unworthy to wear it.
The Kohinoor could easily be removed from the Queen Mother's crown and replaced with another gemstone. Queen Mary's crown currently contains a rock crystal replica of the Kohinoor so that could be used at a pinch.
But what a waste not to use the original and what a precedent to set. Basically, no one would ever use it or see it in future as none of the numerous claimants would ever be able establish any legal right to it. Also, valuable jewels have previously been returned to one particular country (India) and never seen again because they are too expensive to insure for public display. It sounds like a "scorched earth" policy.
Avoid the controversy. That would br great. But is it remotely possible?
You never disappoint another fascinating video
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it!
I like Queen Mary of Teck's crown - WITH the Koh-i-Noor.
Aww you know you killing the vibe for me, love to be wowed by the king and queen consort crown on the day in May thanks
Double dip here..... but I love the ruby ring
Thank you Allan that was so interesting, you are a mine of information.
You are very welcome,thanks for watching.
As always, brilliant. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
The Crown of Princess Blanche of Lancaster is absolutely gorgeous! I'm with you - I so wish I could see Queen Camilla crowned with it, even if it were on loan for the purpose. Dazzling atop her silver hair.
fishhead06 Queen Consort, not Queen! She's unworthy of the latter!
Sad about the crown now set with cheap quartz
@Diana Lindeman Queen Camilla, Her Majesty Queen Camilla, Her Majesty the Queen, Her Majesty, The Queen.
Enough of this 'Consort' nonsense pedalled by the Dig Up Diana campaign.
@@a.t.c.3862 I TOTALLY agree!! Let poor Diana rest in peace!!
How embarrassing to have such a loose woman representing a country. She would be right at home with Ivanka.
She looks regal in the sapphire and diamond crown she wore at a state dinner recently.
Excellent commentary as always. Good work Allan...
I'd like to see a new crown made ... let's be honest, the crown jewels have enough 'spares' to contribute the diamonds/pearls etc so it would mostly be designing a new frame to hold them. Something modern but un-showy to suit Camilla, if un-showy is at all possible in a crown holding millions of pounds of diamonds :) Thank you for the video, Allan, very enlightening!
Fascinating! Thank you very much for this very informative video. I was curious about all the loose stones that make up part of the royal collection which seem to be swapped in and out of various pieces. Is there an existing inventory of those? Is it possible to do a video about them?
Fantastic & Thank You!! I'm getting really excited for the coronation. Being European born in an Italian Noble Family on my father's side (Count of St. Angelo) and into 2 Papal families (Pacelli & Pecci) on my mother's side, who were noble families in their own right before they ascended the Papcy, I believe in Divine Right of Monarchs and this fascinates me.
Sincerely,
Dr. G.
fantastic videos! Do you think the Crown office will announce what are they going to use? Thanks!
A new crown would be wonderful. The only problem would be the breaking up of other jewellery to provide the stones but then again why not it did not bother Queen Mary.
They own n u m b e r l e s s lose unattached gems that could be employed.
It seems that they can pop the stones out of various settings, put them in the crown, then pop them back home. It is not like there is a coronation every year.
'Granny's chips' 😂
The late Queen had a savage sense of humour.
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I wish my Granny had chips like that. Too funny!
Superb, as always!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it 😊
Allan ~ 👑 Found you by luck as I saw a tweet from @BarefootGarden9 suggesting your video re: guide to The Coronation Regalia etc, which I'm thankful for being able to see! Job well done all 👑
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
@@allanbarton my pleasure!
Thank you, such a fascinating history and inspires me to visit the Tower of London
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching.
I hope they use an existing crown. I love the scepter with the dove, it's delightful.
It's a bit special that sceptre, I love it too.
This is delightful! God bless the generosity of the Prince of Brunei! It never occurred to me that the Queen would get a new crown. I was hoping she would wear something older than the Queen Mum’s crown. I think it would be a bit much for her to wear the King’s beloved granny’s crown. I do hope she gets a new one. Edited to add: I hope, if she does not get a new crown she wears Queen Adelaide’s crown. The crown and the Queen both took a circuitous route and it is dripping with history and stability.
I feel sure the King who was very close to his grandmother would want his wife to wear her crown.
Charles and Camilla ought wear their hunting caps and disappear.
@@cactusrandomfred1 I know. I am starting to find it too much.
She should be crowned with one of the older gold based crowns to reflect St. Edward's crowm and then change into a 'state crown' like the Queen Mothers' or a new one or hell, the state diadem would be fine if they added some arches...
Nice vídeo Allan
We can do nothing about it, but Mary II was the daughter of James II and should have worn the St Edward's crown, not her miserable little husband. Too bad the attitude towards queens still seemed to be a hangover from that towards Matilda about 500 years earlier. This was in spite of the fact there had been two regnant queens, Mary I and Elizabeth I before Mary II.
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Didn't realise there were so many different crowns. I'd thought there were just a few
I don't know that a new crown would be in the works, with the shape of the British economy. it's a bit rough, and Charles has said the ceremony will be trimmed back. surely there is more stones that they could "rework" that present crown without the large diamond in question being used?
I mean they are gonna use old diamonds that already exists of other crowns the only new thing would be the design and structure of the crown, if king Charles pays for it with his own money like queen Mary paid for her crown I would have no problem
I am in love with Queen Charlotte's little hair barrette. It really is miniature isn't it?
Great video! Although a slight error at around 12.30, Alexandra's coronation was in 1902, not 1911
There always has to be one slip of the tongue in every video.
@@allanbarton absolutely, I'll forgive you as the other 99.5% is absolutely fascinating! Love your videos Allan, so interesting
@@alexjacobs8874 on one of my videos I referred to Albert as the wife of Queen Victoria - I was a late finish and I was tired! Thanks that is very much appreciated.
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Interesting! I did not know most of the diamonds in QM's crown came from Queen Victoria's circlet. I love Queen Alexandra's. The eight arches are just incredible. I would love to see something new, but I anticipate Camilla will use the Queen Mother's and set a new stone in where the koh-i-noor was. I doubt that stone is ever seen in public again, unless on display in the Tower.
It depends on what you mean by 'in public' - is it not on public display in the Tower of London?
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Looking at the Prince of Wales' coronet, I personally have now had adequate sufficiency of modern crown designs.
Dear Mr Barton! I have a request to ask. Could you please make a video of the symbolism of the putting on of the coronets of peers and peeresses during the coronation service? Nobody could really explain the real meaning of it to me. Is it, perhaps, a symbol that no one should wear a crown until the new monarch has received his/ her crown?
I have a video in preparation on just that subject!
@@allanbarton this is great - thank You!
I think they should use one of the older crowns in existence to crown Camilla... Charles will be crowned with a 17th century crown so it makes sense to use a similar style for Camilla and then change crowns to the Queen Mother's (if they choose) afterward. It makes sense...
so what did queen alexandras and queen marys crown use in place when the kohinoor diamond was put into the queen mothers crown
Hi Allan! Forgive me, but at 0:56 in the video you mention a crown as being a mortuary crown used at the burial of Edward the Confessor. My cloth ears could not quite make out the name. Might you kindly quench my curiosity on this point?
I share your enthusiasm for the Crown of Princess Blanche. It is at once both delicate and substantial. As an aside, a video breaking down the distinctions between a circlet, diadem, corolla, and whatever one calls the tiny head dress that Queen Victoria wore would be brilliant. Like dogs to spilt gravy, I assure you, we would certainly lap up that content! LOL
Looking at the photograph of Queen Alexandra, not only is she burdened and heavily laden with pearls, I suspect she might have been quite the expert at holding her breath considering such restrictive garments! Finally, I should hope Queen Camilla will have a crown crafted specifically for her. It will come as no surprise that I share your reasoning on that point as well. What a joy these videos are for me. Bless you, Allan!
@Terry C: the crown that (probably) originated as the mortuary crown of Edward the Confessor was the old St Edward's crown destroyed in 1649.
Kia ora Alan from Aotearoa (New Zealand). I have a question. Who gets to choose Queen Consort Camilla’s crown(s)?
The latest news on this is that Camilla will wear Queen Mary' Cron and that Granny's chips and triangular diamond which is currently in a brooch fill ill the spaces currently occupied by rock crystals. The three diamond are Cullinan III, IV and V; Cullinan I being in the Monarch's sceptre, and Cullinan II being the squarish diamnd in the Imperial State Crown.
Have you seen my video on this news?
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Thank you!
I have a couple of questions. I thought I had heard that it was decided for the new Queen to wear the Crown of Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother). Is this not the case? If the Koh-i-noor presents an issue, could it be substituted with a similar diamond, or perhaps even a lesser stone? That might avoid controversy. You make an interesting point about a new crown showcasing contemporary work. However, wouldn't a new crown run the risk of appearing "extravagant?" I suppose that could be defused if the King and Queen were to pay for such a crown personally.
Thank you for this - especially for voicing your doubts about the crown in the Museum of London being the one for Mary of Modena (at least in its present form). I always found that difficult to believe, but I've never found anyone else who believes the same way. Nevertheless it remains a mystery what happened to M of M's coronation crown. Unlike later consort's crowns it was made at public expense and so in theory should have remained legally part of the crown jewels (like the corresponding state crown and diadem), or at the least, if it was disposed of it there should be some official record of that.
It is a great mystery - I think she took her crown with her when she went to the continent. We know that James II took some other jewels with him, including the Stuart Sapphire now in the Imperial State Crown - so it plausible. I was unable to find in the course of my research any evidence of the provenance of the crown in the Museum of London. The Museum's records are next to useless in that respect. My real suspicion, given the size and that the crown is made of gilded base metal set with quartz, is that this is in fact an early 18th century votive crown from a statue of the Virgin Mary.
@@allanbarton Thanks, Allan.
The controversy of showing the Koh-I-Noor would be a distraction. Couldn’t the Queen Mother’s crown be used with a coloured stone set in the front? That would be my preferred option.
A completely new crown would seem extravagant in the present economic circumstances and I believe KC3 wishes to cut out unnecessary expense.
13:40 the Kohinoor was not actually an heirloom of the Sikh Empire. To begin with, the Sikh Empire didn’t really last long enough to have heirlooms.
The Kohinoor belonged originally to the Hindu Kakatiya Kings and several others subsequently, each looting it after defeating the last owner in battle - until the British obtained it from the Sikh Empire.
I agree with you: Queen Camilla should have a new crown made for her, but without any controversial stones. It could even be made with synthetic stones. They can now manufacture flawless white sapphire, that sparkle as much if not more then diamonds.
Well we know now that the queen didn’t have a new one made. The king probably thought it was too costly to make one
Allan I don't know why I'm still feeling a bit sad and disappointed as I always imagined the vision of The King and Queen being Enthroned, both in full Regalia, holding Sceptres and Rod. Alas The Queen's hands will be empty, without her Sceptre and Rod. To me it feels like a big mistake.
They are not going to wear the rings either. I wonder why they have made this decision.
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I had thought that His Majesty King Charles the third has announced that Her Majesty Queen Consort Camilla would not wear the Queen Consort's crown, due to the controversy over the koh-i-noor diamond.
No announcement has been made - there has been plenty of speculation among the more ill-informed press, who seem to think there is only one crown available for the consort and do not realise that a new crown has been made for all four of the previous consorts and that these remain. It would be a small matter for a crown to be provided or adapted without the Koh-i-noor in it, that diamond being only a recent addition to the regalia. Although of historical value, the crowns are primarily working, symbolic objects and the expectation is that these objects are adapted for each successive reign. Both St Edward's crown and the Imperial State crown have already gone off to be altered for the king.
Over the centuries the Crowns have been continually changed for many reasons, the koh-i-noor is only a recent addition to the crown jewels and first used for the coronation of Queen Alexandra in 1902, been of significant Indian origin and association, it most likely was there to indicate the Queen was also the Empress of India, Queens Mary and Elizabeth (The Queen Mother) were also the Empresses of India but Queen Elizabeth II was not and neither is Queen Camilla, for that reason alone its reasonable to assume the diamond will be removed or another crown made or adapted...
@@gregorymartin6488 Good logic. Thank you.
"The skilled craftsmen of today" (of the time) made the coronet for the Prince of Wales's Investiture in 1969 with its monde made from a spray-painted ping-pong ball so thank goodness it has been decided that Queen Camilla will wear Queen Mary's crown from 1911!
Queen Camilla does not have to use the crown of the previous Queen consort she could have one made all previous Queen consorts have done just that
The last three crowns are lovely, but I think they're too big and tall, plus the controversy of the diamond is not something to be desired on a day that should be happy and glorious. I think given the Queen Consort's low-key and no fuss personality, an elegant, modern, and modest crown should be fashioned for her. They could modify any of the ones already in the vault, it doesn't have to be a new one from scratch. But truly, I hope she doesn't wear a crown with "the diamond".
@@lenwilkinson672 Well, you and I are in agreement over that issue, but Queen Camilla has enough to contend with regarding the late PoW devotees. She doesn't need to add anything else to her plate, especially something that has absolutely nothing to do with her.
There is talk that Camilla may not be crowned with the same crown as that of queen Elizabeth consort of george vi. That another crown may be created for Camilla
for Camela, there should have been a standard leash, used for an average rottweiler, albeit with a bunch of fake jewels to fit her personality and looks.
What a subtle, kind and generous comment. Thank you for your contribution.
@@allanbarton Your program, on the other hand, is educational, well researched and systematicall presented. That is why i am a member of your channel now. (I do remember Dianna too well, and what this dog and Chuck did to her)
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Real moderation of the British Monarchy is , that today a divorced lady is queen consort and will be crowned this year…
I hope they don't use the Kohinoor diamond. As much as I love that crown, the endless complaining about "stolen" diamonds is getting old.
Never give in to the whiners..........
I am ideologically opposed to the existence of crowns in government but man I wanna wear them
We want our crown back from Munich! 😂😂
This will be the first time an ex-mistress is crowned Queen?
Anne Boleyn.
@@allanbarton Thank you! Of course! I forgot poor Anne!
Most of Henry VIII's wives he had relationships with while he was still married to the last one
I hope Camilla doesn't touch the ivory based one. That should never be used again.
Why?
@@allanbarton I feel as a wider community we have moved on from using Ivory. Also I hope to see jewels returned to where they came from. I am a supporter of the monarchy but it needs to be more respectful of the day and age we are in and the people they have ruled over
I don't think that new ivory should ever be used but I don't see that not using old ivory helps anything.
Queen Camilla will use Queen Marys crown (The wife of King George V)
Most probably, but nothing has been confirmed yet.
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Diamonds are forever, Monarchs are not
Sad about the wand set with cheap quartz
I'd prefer she wasn't crowned at all. Certainly she should not be privileged to have a new crown or to have any broken up to make her one, as these are national treasures with historic importance.
The crowns are actually working objects not simply historical artefacts. Those who made them would not really understand them being preserved in this way.
Love your information on coronation of England but just my opinion, I have no respect for both adulterers ….king Charles and his queen consort as they are not a good example for the world people who have the monarchs. Sorry for being so truthful ⚠️
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They have loved each other for decades and now are husband and wife, King and Queen
Lovely
K-noor plz use me
Now the fruits of Camilla dids for the 3.decades is about to peak,,, Poor DIANA, 😢😥😢
Poor... who?
The regalia is awesome but on this consort disgusting. The King is a cheater and always will be.
King Carlos III is a dignified and upright man.
And his beloved wife is a woman who deserves, more than anyone, to be crowned at his side.
@@dulcenenita6803 I am talking about King Charles 3of England and Camilla his consort.
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Me too.
What do you think?
That I was talking about the other woman?
The infamous first wife of this great man?
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I’m hoping the “consort” talk with cease soon. Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother were never referred to as “Queen Consort”
But then there are people like me who still get confused when HM is just referred to as the Queen. I'll get there eventually.