It's just amazing, watching a really rambling scene with performances that are workmanlike in the unedited shots really come to life in editing. Also, the story is so much more tight, even with just a few trims. Love it.
What you start doing at around 6 minutes, money seriously cannot buy. I'm sure you realise you reveal as much about your story-telling craftsmanship in what you don't say (but do) as in what you explain. This is watching a surgeon in action (I'm a nurse by profession, so the analogy works for me)... I'm sure others would agree!
It's interesting to see how much influence an editor can have in a movie. Not just through choosing to omit or include certain actions or dialogue, but also choosing clips from about 3 or 4 takes. Is this common in the movie-making process?
At 06:11 how do you change the duration of the sound, without changing the duration of the entire clip? I usually detach the audio, and then remove some.
+Topdogmsn if you double click on the lower audio portion of the clip, the clip will expand into audio and video and you can now ripple each component individually. No need to detach the audio. You can also see that command by right-clicking on the clip and select expand audio/video
Five 1/2 years later I just got to this video (Battery in GPS went out). I really enjoy following along with your thought process and then I recognize that I don't know my software well enough to accomplish what I'm thinking. Still having fun! tHanks.
I don't really understand the Mamet thing. I can name alot of great scenes where two people are talking about someone that is not in the room. Pulp Fiction is the first that comes to mind where Vincent and Jules discuss Tony, Mia & Marsellus. It sets you up with expectations that are later paid of when you finally get to meet them later and you know what rumours are going around about them which makes the audience more at edge. The same can be said for Tartuffe(Which is a play and Mamet is mainly a playwrite) where the title character doesn't show up until the 3rd act but by then you have heard all the stories about him which sets up the rest of the play. Then off course you have Jaws where they talk about the shark all the time whitout it being "in the room" ;).
Some other guy suggested to map 'trim start' and 'trim end' to g and h. This is genius as u don't have to do the i,o,delete-dance, just one key.... Btw: Great Channel!
My first instinct was to cut after he asks "Does he know?" It leaves the scene on an open question. In my opinion, it creates a little bit of tension waiting for the answer. Could that work as well or does it violate an editing or composition rule or maxim?
thanks you a lot for making this videos, we can lear a lot waching how a professional editor works. I hope you will keep making more videos still when you finish this movie :D
Hey, first of all thank you for the incredibly useful insight and practical approach of your videos. I noticed one thing. I guess the actors had lapels mics hidden in their clothes for clean voice recording, so when they hugged those bumps and scratches were too hot a signal and the audio clipped. Am I right? So I have a question: how do you fix that kind of nasty audio issue through editing? It was so into the action that my only guess would be foleys and adr, but that's a lot of work... Cheers!
+8ulls3y3 good point. I could just turn off their mics at that point and just keep the boom recording going. I clean up the audio before i screen the scene. In the end it's really the sound designer or rerecording mixer who decides which mic to use and/or suggest foley/adr replacement.
+This Guy Edits great editing strategies - the sound designer really has a lot of cleanup to do. i know this site is about edits, but the noisy dialogue: lip smacks, sibilance, tableware noise, etc. is a bit distracting. hope you guys are well covered with audio.
when he went from having a coffee cup in the hand close to his mouth to being away from the mouth when he says "he is still asleep" made my brain hurt a little bit
Was there much of a screenplay before the project was put into production? It seems as though you have to cut a significant amount of fat that probably could have been taken care of in pre-production. Studying screenwriting it seems that a majority of a feature script is included in the final product in nearly the exact order it's written (No matter what the draft) Is this editing/directing style typical in the indie field? Also it seems as though there is a lot of ad-lib going on in almost every take - is this the signature style of the director?
Fantastic channel! Subscribed. Will re-watch this in detail. Yes: I was wondering about the exact same: how much can you change ( =delete, re-arrange) the dialog and order/context in a project? In this particular "film" (sorry, couldn't resists typing the quotes, it's very obviously shot digital, no prob with that though :-) ) you don't seem to have anyone breathing down your neck. Guess I need to check your other videos. Anyway: this is fantastic, detailed hands-on information. Most sources of information are vague about editing, at least what I was able to find all through the years. Your information is of highly valuable help when writing and planning shots, blocking, framing, etc. etc.). All steps in film making interact in one way or another. Having a multiple camera setup left running all the time, lots of takes and leaving it all to the editor is definitely not a great idea ;-) BTW: this project has great handheld (so it seems!) camera work and some great control of focus. Thanks for sharing your great insight and skills! P.S. love your accent. German? Well I am German-born, but my accent is all over the place (I live far away from my old country for 30+ years now!).
A cam is usually the camera that the Director of Photography operates (if the DP operates their own camera, if not then it's handled by the 1st Camera Op), it also usually is the most expensive/highest quality camera with the best lens.
Loved this, the in-depth tutorials are awesome! Question - I love that you can clearly see all the takes for 57, then below it you have 57A, then below that the two takes of 57B (right next to each other). Is the layout of the clips within the bin for scene 57, automatically like that in fcpX or is that something you do manually?
Hi Sven, love your videos! Please do keep them coming! :) One thought though: Would it not be better to cut in later? I felt that at the lines "got some bagels and donuts" would have been a punchier way into the scene. What do you gain out of keeping her coming down the stairs and hugging? Also, this just seems like a badly written scene. Considering the brother doesnt know he is going yet, would it not be better to cut the scene entirely and have the audience learn at the same time as the brother about visiting the father? I expect you guys have good reasons, would love to hear some insight :) thank you again!
these are all good notes and these kind of changes can happen in the polish stage of the edit. Once the entire movie is put together it's relatively easy to decide which scenes should go/shortened or punched up.
Thank you for the reply, I now understand the role of the editor better in early cutting. I see the editor can't just make all the decisions before cutting each scene at least once!
While watching your series I ask myself the question: Is that a normal procedure, to cut away so many details up to changing the whole scene? I'm currently working on a shortfilm as a scriptwriter and director, and most of the stuff you do on here (leaving out unnecessary information, creating drama, etc.) I already considered in the script.
+Johnny and so you should. To a certain degree. It maybe be good to leave some room for exploration while filming so that you can find new layers of the story in the editing.
Thank you for those episodes. I wonder if you could put the shortcuts on screen or maybe do an episode about it. It would help me a lot. By the way (cut that out) I was hoping we could edit this scene. I would love that.
+FilmISH nl I can experiment with that. I think my screen recording function has the option to bring up the keystrokes. However I don't see this series as a technical tutorial on a specific piece of editing software. Sidenote: Soon I'll be doing an episode specifically about the selection process in Final Cut Pro X, because it encourages a new kind of thinking in terms of storytelling (compared to all the other editing platforms).
Yeah I understand but its just a extra thing that can help FCPX editors. Would be nice. Good, I look forward to the selection episode. Again Thank you for doing this.
Final Cut Pro X. Das ist ganz gut für Anfänger. Meine beiden Tochter (11 und 13) schneiden damit für ihre youtube videos and es war kein problem für sie es zu lernen.
Great editing bro I would say from my perspective i woulden't cut to her at 8:11 because the conversation isn't interesting at That point but I would only leave the cut with her when tge conversation became relevent
I would have gave him a half of a second more when she tells him that she tells him about his brother......BTW I really enjoy your editing I would probably trust you blind on my projects even though you tend to change "a lot".
Yes, it's a word in Yiddish, but can be used as a Yiddishism in spoken English, and not just in Jewish households, but, amongst others, in New York households of many cultures. Like the word "Schmuck!" :-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmear
1.In first place why the non fluencies like "by the way" is included in the script and allowed to shoot? 2.Does the directors give full freedom to editors to do what ever they want which is according to them they think appropriate, like in this video you eliminated an unwanted hand move? 3.what is the contribution of editor on the end product that is the film which an audience see in the theatres? 50℅ or more than that? 4. Are we watching a movie which is a perspective of an editor or a director?
1. if a script is improvised there should be room for the actors to say whatever they want. it helps their process. 2. depends on the director, but generally, the editor should be able to do a full editor's cut first where she pushes the story and find new meaning then work with the director realize the director's vision. 3. it all depends, it really is a joint effort where the end product is a blend of many collaborators under the leadership of the director
"If two people are talking about someone who is not in the room it's a 'bullshit' moment." Is that Nichols? I thought it was Mamet (maybe Sorkin...) anyway it is usually a fair point :)
I don't understand why the director put in all these shots and lines when you cut half of it out of the scene. I mean, the director knows what the story is that he wants to tell, so shouldn't he make sure on the storyboard that every part of what is filmed actually contributes to the story? Or is this just the approach the director takes?
+Jeroen you can see the director talk about his approach here... ruclips.net/video/XbdM20AjoYI/видео.html While this director is especially experimental during his shooting I find that even perfectly scripted and storyboarded films will change quite a bit in editing.
There's no one way to direct. What you're talking about is a very Hitchcock vs. say Coppola, he builds his sets organically without constraints in the pre-planning and lets the actors be free, while finding the film in the edit. Or you can be Terrance Malick and shoot and shoot and shoot and completely change the whole film in the edit after years of Post. It's really how one approaches their craft.
Part of the director's job is to get everything that's on the script captured. What reads right on a script may not always come across the same way when in the edit. It may not even come across right in real life when shooting. So you capture more to have options, but even if you got only everything on the script you could still end up cutting part of it. The old saying is a film is made three times, once when it's written, once when it's shot and once when it's edited.
When she says "No, he doesn't know that yet" I would have inserted a short closeup of the bagel falling apart as she cuts it. To suggest a relationship that's split
hi i really appreciate your work but for fast output me use four camera out put layer stacks one upon one at a time and one master layer above it, count it 5 to show our client because for me market says we are the fillers and our work is fulfill their dreams with a satisfaction & relief in the end. wish too - i love to see you edit and talking like pewdiepie 💁🏻♂️💁🏻♂️💕💕🏆🏆
Been working on this and ya. Here's the video through Google Drive. drive.google.com/file/d/0B32490W3Xrb5cEF6Y1Q0dmtUanM/view?usp=sharing Anyways, thank you for giving us an insight to your editing process.
We gonna take your bro to see his dad tonight, don't need to cut the whole line, maybe the boy reaction is a matter that time, I will give the boy's reaction earlier. All of the above is my personal opinion. I'm also an editor in China. THX for sharing this video.
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you are my procrastination while i'm editing...
ha!
I agree!!!
@@ThisGuyEdits
I could watch this process all day, it's completely fascinating to me.
It's just amazing, watching a really rambling scene with performances that are workmanlike in the unedited shots really come to life in editing. Also, the story is so much more tight, even with just a few trims. Love it.
Luving these vids! So cool to see a real editor constructing edits for an actual narrative film! 🎬✂️👌🏻
thanks. glad you like it.
What you start doing at around 6 minutes, money seriously cannot buy. I'm sure you realise you reveal as much about your story-telling craftsmanship in what you don't say (but do) as in what you explain. This is watching a surgeon in action (I'm a nurse by profession, so the analogy works for me)... I'm sure others would agree!
I love your vids! It's like watching a master at work
It's interesting to see how much influence an editor can have in a movie. Not just through choosing to omit or include certain actions or dialogue, but also choosing clips from about 3 or 4 takes. Is this common in the movie-making process?
I find it very annoying when characters say, "...you know that" that says, I'm only saying this for the audience.
At 06:11 how do you change the duration of the sound, without changing the duration of the entire clip? I usually detach the audio, and then remove some.
+Topdogmsn if you double click on the lower audio portion of the clip, the clip will expand into audio and video and you can now ripple each component individually. No need to detach the audio. You can also see that command by right-clicking on the clip and select expand audio/video
Perfect! Thank you very much.
LOVE these nitty-gritty, down in the trenches, step by step videos! Makes it seem doable! :)
I hate that she is aggressively cutting the bagel but in the next shot the bagel is fine
Five 1/2 years later I just got to this video (Battery in GPS went out). I really enjoy following along with your thought process and then I recognize that I don't know my software well enough to accomplish what I'm thinking. Still having fun! tHanks.
This is probably one of the most useful editing videos I have seen. Especially since most of what I do at the moment is bread and butter scenes! ;)
nice.
I don't really understand the Mamet thing.
I can name alot of great scenes where two people are talking about someone that is not in the room.
Pulp Fiction is the first that comes to mind where Vincent and Jules discuss Tony, Mia & Marsellus.
It sets you up with expectations that are later paid of when you finally get to meet them later and you know what rumours are going around about them which makes the audience more at edge.
The same can be said for Tartuffe(Which is a play and Mamet is mainly a playwrite) where the title character doesn't show up until the 3rd act but by then you have heard all the stories about him which sets up the rest of the play.
Then off course you have Jaws where they talk about the shark all the time whitout it being "in the room" ;).
Thank you! It's os useful to see how an editor works from the beginning with all the shots till creating the scene...! It was interesting!
Some other guy suggested to map 'trim start' and 'trim end' to g and h. This is genius as u don't have to do the i,o,delete-dance, just one key....
Btw: Great Channel!
+GregorPQ nice. I have those actually set on my 4-button mouse, great for realtime trimming.
My first instinct was to cut after he asks "Does he know?" It leaves the scene on an open question. In my opinion, it creates a little bit of tension waiting for the answer. Could that work as well or does it violate an editing or composition rule or maxim?
13:29 but in pulp fiction vincent and jules spend like 15 minutes talking about marcellus
thanks you a lot for making this videos, we can lear a lot waching how a professional editor works. I hope you will keep making more videos still when you finish this movie :D
Hey, first of all thank you for the incredibly useful insight and practical approach of your videos.
I noticed one thing.
I guess the actors had lapels mics hidden in their clothes for clean voice recording, so when they hugged those bumps and scratches were too hot a signal and the audio clipped. Am I right?
So I have a question: how do you fix that kind of nasty audio issue through editing? It was so into the action that my only guess would be foleys and adr, but that's a lot of work...
Cheers!
+8ulls3y3 good point. I could just turn off their mics at that point and just keep the boom recording going. I clean up the audio before i screen the scene. In the end it's really the sound designer or rerecording mixer who decides which mic to use and/or suggest foley/adr replacement.
Cool! As a one-man team I'm also the sound designer, so thank you for the advice :-)
+This Guy Edits great editing strategies - the sound designer really has a lot of cleanup to do. i know this site is about edits, but the noisy dialogue: lip smacks, sibilance, tableware noise, etc. is a bit distracting. hope you guys are well covered with audio.
+william moore we are. We have an amazing sound mixer on this project. www.ugosound.com
Where and when can I watch the finished version of this film?
It looks awesome! Especially your editing :D
i really would like to see a similar procedure for a feature that i saw. like see a movie and see the cutting afterwards, how its done
when he went from having a coffee cup in the hand close to his mouth to being away from the mouth when he says "he is still asleep" made my brain hurt a little bit
Awesome! Really appreciate you doing this and sharing
Was there much of a screenplay before the project was put into production? It seems as though you have to cut a significant amount of fat that probably could have been taken care of in pre-production. Studying screenwriting it seems that a majority of a feature script is included in the final product in nearly the exact order it's written (No matter what the draft) Is this editing/directing style typical in the indie field? Also it seems as though there is a lot of ad-lib going on in almost every take - is this the signature style of the director?
Fantastic channel! Subscribed. Will re-watch this in detail.
Yes: I was wondering about the exact same: how much can you change ( =delete, re-arrange) the dialog and order/context in a project? In this particular "film" (sorry, couldn't resists typing the quotes, it's very obviously shot digital, no prob with that though :-) ) you don't seem to have anyone breathing down your neck. Guess I need to check your other videos.
Anyway: this is fantastic, detailed hands-on information. Most sources of information are vague about editing, at least what I was able to find all through the years. Your information is of highly valuable help when writing and planning shots, blocking, framing, etc. etc.). All steps in film making interact in one way or another.
Having a multiple camera setup left running all the time, lots of takes and leaving it all to the editor is definitely not a great idea ;-)
BTW: this project has great handheld (so it seems!) camera work and some great control of focus.
Thanks for sharing your great insight and skills!
P.S. love your accent. German? Well I am German-born, but my accent is all over the place (I live far away from my old country for 30+ years now!).
I should be editing right now but what i do instead? Watch another person do it...
Why is the medium close shot of her dialogue at 9:05 labeled as A CAM in the timeline? Wouldn't A CAM be the master shot?
A cam is usually the camera that the Director of Photography operates (if the DP operates their own camera, if not then it's handled by the 1st Camera Op), it also usually is the most expensive/highest quality camera with the best lens.
@@ThisGuyEdits You're awesome, thanks.
Just discovered your channel. Really nice video, same fun watching someone editing as editing myself :))
thank you.
Loved this, the in-depth tutorials are awesome!
Question - I love that you can clearly see all the takes for 57, then below it you have 57A, then below that the two takes of 57B (right next to each other).
Is the layout of the clips within the bin for scene 57, automatically like that in fcpX or is that something you do manually?
it's automatic, fcpx has different options to organize the footage. One is by scene number.
Nice man. I'm going to do an edit and upload today :)
There are less channels with actual filmmaking teaching
Hi Sven, love your videos! Please do keep them coming! :) One thought though: Would it not be better to cut in later? I felt that at the lines "got some bagels and donuts" would have been a punchier way into the scene. What do you gain out of keeping her coming down the stairs and hugging?
Also, this just seems like a badly written scene. Considering the brother doesnt know he is going yet, would it not be better to cut the scene entirely and have the audience learn at the same time as the brother about visiting the father?
I expect you guys have good reasons, would love to hear some insight :) thank you again!
these are all good notes and these kind of changes can happen in the polish stage of the edit. Once the entire movie is put together it's relatively easy to decide which scenes should go/shortened or punched up.
Thank you for the reply, I now understand the role of the editor better in early cutting. I see the editor can't just make all the decisions before cutting each scene at least once!
thank you very much! This is really helpfull
Just discovered your channel.. DAMN.. I wish i'd discovered it earlier. Also enjoyed your video on Casey. :) You got yourself a new sub. :)
sweet
While watching your series I ask myself the question: Is that a normal procedure, to cut away so many details up to changing the whole scene?
I'm currently working on a shortfilm as a scriptwriter and director, and most of the stuff you do on here (leaving out unnecessary information, creating drama, etc.) I already considered in the script.
+Johnny and so you should. To a certain degree. It maybe be good to leave some room for exploration while filming so that you can find new layers of the story in the editing.
Okay, that sounds reasonable. Thank you for your answer :)
Did you know what focal length or lenses that was used on the medium close up shots?
+TheCrazySpeedpainter I don't, but can find out from Dustin our master of all things tech
Ok ok, thanks
Thank you for those episodes. I wonder if you could put the shortcuts on screen or maybe do an episode about it. It would help me a lot. By the way (cut that out) I was hoping we could edit this scene. I would love that.
+FilmISH nl I can experiment with that. I think my screen recording function has the option to bring up the keystrokes. However I don't see this series as a technical tutorial on a specific piece of editing software. Sidenote: Soon I'll be doing an episode specifically about the selection process in Final Cut Pro X, because it encourages a new kind of thinking in terms of storytelling (compared to all the other editing platforms).
Yeah I understand but its just a extra thing that can help FCPX editors. Would be nice. Good, I look forward to the selection episode.
Again Thank you for doing this.
Sven, was fuer ein Programm/welche Software benutzen Sie? Und koennen das relativ erfahrungslose Anfaenger auch zu benutzen lernen? Danke
Final Cut Pro X. Das ist ganz gut für Anfänger. Meine beiden Tochter (11 und 13) schneiden damit für ihre youtube videos and es war kein problem für sie es zu lernen.
Gibt's das auch fuer Windows?
Great editing bro
I would say from my perspective i woulden't cut to her at 8:11 because the conversation isn't interesting at That point but I would only leave the cut with her when tge conversation became relevent
nice sir..
nice! always make your video as guidence..OT, Sven you look like ABBA singer, the one who plays piano
schmiering a bagel :D
Thank you.
I would have gave him a half of a second more when she tells him that she tells him about his brother......BTW I really enjoy your editing I would probably trust you blind on my projects even though you tend to change "a lot".
is "schmiering" really used in english language?
Yes, it's a word in Yiddish, but can be used as a Yiddishism in spoken English, and not just in Jewish households, but, amongst others, in New York households of many cultures. Like the word "Schmuck!" :-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmear
1.In first place why the non fluencies like "by the way" is included in the script and allowed to shoot?
2.Does the directors give full freedom to editors to do what ever they want which is according to them they think appropriate, like in this video you eliminated an unwanted hand move?
3.what is the contribution of editor on the end product that is the film which an audience see in the theatres? 50℅ or more than that?
4. Are we watching a movie which is a perspective of an editor or a director?
1. if a script is improvised there should be room for the actors to say whatever they want. it helps their process.
2. depends on the director, but generally, the editor should be able to do a full editor's cut first where she pushes the story and find new meaning then work with the director realize the director's vision.
3. it all depends, it really is a joint effort where the end product is a blend of many collaborators under the leadership of the director
i was always wondering: when will he see the boom :D
"If two people are talking about someone who is not in the room it's a 'bullshit' moment." Is that Nichols? I thought it was Mamet (maybe Sorkin...) anyway it is usually a fair point :)
I don't understand why the director put in all these shots and lines when you cut half of it out of the scene. I mean, the director knows what the story is that he wants to tell, so shouldn't he make sure on the storyboard that every part of what is filmed actually contributes to the story? Or is this just the approach the director takes?
Yeah, I'm very curious how much input the director has into the edit.
+Jeroen you can see the director talk about his approach here... ruclips.net/video/XbdM20AjoYI/видео.html While this director is especially experimental during his shooting I find that even perfectly scripted and storyboarded films will change quite a bit in editing.
There's no one way to direct. What you're talking about is a very Hitchcock vs. say Coppola, he builds his sets organically without constraints in the pre-planning and lets the actors be free, while finding the film in the edit. Or you can be Terrance Malick and shoot and shoot and shoot and completely change the whole film in the edit after years of Post. It's really how one approaches their craft.
Part of the director's job is to get everything that's on the script captured. What reads right on a script may not always come across the same way when in the edit. It may not even come across right in real life when shooting. So you capture more to have options, but even if you got only everything on the script you could still end up cutting part of it. The old saying is a film is made three times, once when it's written, once when it's shot and once when it's edited.
One more thing. Editor needs shots to play with them also. That's why. The more you have shoot the more edit beautiful.
That is really bad film, man and no matter how good editor you are, there is no way to fix it.
until I figured the cinemascope :D
Every time I see that microphone in the shot, I cringe.
It will be covered by the side bars in the finished film so you can stop cringing.
When she says "No, he doesn't know that yet" I would have inserted a short closeup of the bagel falling apart as she cuts it. To suggest a relationship that's split
u german?
yep
hi i really appreciate your work but for fast output me use four camera out put layer stacks one upon one at a time and one master layer above it, count it 5 to show our client because for me market says we are the fillers and our work is fulfill their dreams with a satisfaction & relief in the end. wish too - i love to see you edit and talking like pewdiepie 💁🏻♂️💁🏻♂️💕💕🏆🏆
Channel is great. Scene is horrible. Editing doesn't fix it. This woman is not an actress.
Been working on this and ya. Here's the video through Google Drive. drive.google.com/file/d/0B32490W3Xrb5cEF6Y1Q0dmtUanM/view?usp=sharing
Anyways, thank you for giving us an insight to your editing process.
+RTeaH . Productions got it. thx
I uploaded a 10 sec clip
+Sonny Brown 2 actually.
+Sonny Brown grabbed it. thx.
We gonna take your bro to see his dad tonight, don't need to cut the whole line, maybe the boy reaction is a matter that time, I will give the boy's reaction earlier.
All of the above is my personal opinion.
I'm also an editor in China.
THX for sharing this video.
crap acting