$9 vs $900 Knife Sharpener? Let's find out! Wicked Edge, Lansky, Edge Pro Apex, Spyderco, Rada
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Knife sharpeners tested: Lansky, Wicked Edge Gen 3 Pro, Spyderco, Fiskars, Rada, Chef's Choice Trizor Edge Model 15XV, Edge Pro Apex, and a Whetstone. Knives used for testing: Mercer Culinary Millennia 8-Inch Chef's Knife, which were dulled, then sharpened using each knife sharpener. Stropping leather used on knives sharpened with Lansky, Wicked Edge, Spyderco, Edge Pro Apex and Whetstone. Once sharp, knives were tested using a knife sharpness tester.
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➡ Products Tested In This Video (in no particular order):
Lansky: amzn.to/32clRKS
Wicked Edge Gen 3 Pro: amzn.to/2FM0c4A
Spyderco: amzn.to/34n8NF4
Fiskars: amzn.to/2FKSMP4
Rada: amzn.to/32hJtgY
Chef's Choice Trizor Edge: amzn.to/31ipdfT
Edge Pro Apex: amzn.to/32gRx1F
Whetstone: amzn.to/3ldUM2H
Other products used in testing:
Mercer Culinary Millennia 8-Inch Chef's Knife: amzn.to/2CO9xYz
Stropping leather: amzn.to/3xqCJxM
Videography Equipment:
Sony DSC-RX10 III Cyber-shot Digital Still Camera: amzn.to/2YdXvPw
Canon 70D Camera: amzn.to/31b5Gy0
Azden Microphone: amzn.to/34d3DLE
Go Pro Bundle: amzn.to/31aince
This video is only for entertainment purposes. If you rely on the information portrayed in this video, you assume the responsibility for the results. Project Farm LLC
Thanks to everyone who requested this video. Sorry it's taken me so long to post the links to the products tested:
Lansky: amzn.to/32clRKS
Wicked Edge Gen 3 Pro: amzn.to/2FM0c4A
Spyderco: amzn.to/34n8NF4
Fiskars: amzn.to/2FKSMP4
Rada: amzn.to/32hJtgY
Chef's Choice Trizor Edge: amzn.to/31ipdfT
Edge Pro Apex: amzn.to/32gRx1F
Whetstone: amzn.to/3ldUM2H
Hey man it only took you a few months lol
Thanks for doing these great videos. I was happy to see the Lansky in this one. My dad bought me one when I was about 12 and I have used one for over 20 years now. Wore out a few sets. Wasn't surprised by the results but it's interesting to see it compared and quantified.
Your awesome! Love your channel and humor!
God bless ya
Excellent video! A friend posted it to Facebook in a discussion about good quality knife sharpeners. I've hankered for a Lansky set for years. One day! :) VIDEO REQUEST: Could you do a serrated blade sharpener comparison please? Including the Lansky
Best wishes from the UK!
Can you review the Paul Block sharpener, theres nothing on RUclips except his own videos, so many videos!
You know what’s funny. I’m a knife enthusiast. From high end folders to kitchen knives. I subscribe to dozens of knife channels. You just did the most comprehensive test I’ve ever seen. The actual knife channels don’t even come close.
They don't have this kind of budget to be fair. Props to this guy though. He's not even a knife nerd!
Thanks for the positive comment!
Totally agree. I watch lots of vids on making knives and I've made a few of my own. This is by far the most comprehensive sharpener comparison I've seen.
I second that!!!! I've been looking for a new sharpening system for a few months and you've definitely done the best yet! Love the channel! You've got a sub from me
Trevor Lee this is probably one of the best RUclips channels IMO.
This video is proof that some content creators still care to put in some effort. Very informative and interesting.
I appreciate that!
If anything he over delivered
He included
:A couple extra sharpeners
:The ones from the thumbnail
:The exact price of each one
:Detailed instructions for each sharpener
@@jackaintgood7825 love him love the vid and most importantly love you 😘
Yup
You can compliment people without sounding insensitive, my guy. On a content creating platform like youtube I'm sure there are millions of people that put endless hours into providing quality content. Not trying to sound like a know-it-all, but your attitude kinda comes off as hopeless lol.
what gets me is the fact that this man has over a million subscribers and still replies to comments in his youtube videos, you truly have a great channel.
Thanks so much!
His answers seem mostly automated, though.
Nevertheless, a great channel, I agree
Julian Schönau Thanks for watching
LxV3nDeTtAxX nice profile pic
@@user-qs6lh2vd6x thanks
Many people will live their lives unsure if they have made a difference. You sir, will not have that problem. Your videos have certainly been extremely helpful for me over the years! Having used a few of the sharpeners here I can attest to the patience and diligence it takes to try to use them correctly! As usual you've put in the work to use them to the best of your ability and come up with some really cool tests and jigs to test with. Thank you so much for all the work you put into your channel!!
You are welcome!
Like so many other things sharpening is an art. There is the shape of the bevel, flat convex or concave. Dry, honing oil, which honing oil of water all effect the final edge. How sharp do you need? How quickly do you need to sharpen? Do you sharpen one knife or several at the same time? I use diamond hones. Like sandpaper they dull over time and actually work as if a finer grit than when new. That is true of all honing stones.
This guy could talk about paint drying and make it sound interesting
Thanks!
I'm pretty sure he did a series on paint, it was quite revealing
Is your profile picture from the game speedrunners?
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The fact that you're not sponsored and made this content for us shlubs for around $1500 of your own money says a lot about your passion for this channel. Thank you so much for this amazing content!
You are welcome!
$$$ from ads and patron .
@@JS-te4gz Yeah, we all know where the money comes from. He's pointing out that we appreciate him using the revenue from views and Patreon to continue making videos and making them more interesting.
@@lunchboxproductions1183 I get it now😁
Or is he returning everything to Walmart and Amazon. ;-)
I'm hooked. At this point, you could review dirt and I would still watch because I know you would be thorough!
He would find some dirt-analysis guy to test it and grow various type of food with it to see who wins. Also, he'd try to use it as motor oil in some hapless lawnmower engine.
To be fair, dirt varies a lot and not all are the same for any given purpose. But it is more chemistry than anything else and hard to compare.
Thank you very much! Positive feedback like this keeps me going!!
hugolafhugolaf spit my food out lol
@projectfarm please review dirt for which dirt is dirtier
I know you've done 3 of these now, but one thing that hadn't been taken into consideration is the amount of time it takes to sharpen these. I have the full Lansky diamond set, but it just takes so long for each knife. A full knife block would take a full day. Would love a showdown between some different "automatic" or quick/easy options.
Thank you for the feedback!
I have the Lansky sharpener as well. It doesn't take me too long to sharpen my knives. I actually took a kitchen knife with no paper cutting power to shaving my leg hair in right around 10-15 minutes. This time would definitely go down with a knife that didn't need a re-profile job. I am curious (I'd like to help if I can) why it takes so long. I have the diamond set as well.
You shouldn’t need to do a full sharpen on any particular knife very often if you consistently use a steel. I’m a professional chef, I spend 12 a day with my knives and I don’t do a full sharpen (with stones) except maybe once a month. I have probably 5 knives that get used all day. Use a good steel and it’ll straighten out your edge as it looses it sharpness. Best Regards
@@burkepemberton9902 that's like 3 minutes using a stone ffs
this is a great point. I got the KME, and while it works as well in practice as it does in this video, it is a bit time consuming.
I'd have been curious to see you go back, AFTER you were proficient with each sharpening system, and time how long it takes to use each tool
"I'm not experienced in using whetstones for sharpening knives"
Proceeds to sharpen the knife on whetstone to almost same level as a knife that just came off 900 usd sharpening system
i know right?
He is just good . Very good .....
Well, the technique he used and going for a 400/1000 stone when aiming for simply a sharp of an edge a possible shows the lack of experience..
Hahaha! Like that guy who sits down at the Poker table who "just learned how to play", and proceeds to clean everyone out.... Heh heh heh! Never used a whetstone, eh??? (sharpens knife to razor blade sharpness) First try!!!!
Honestly, it's true. I've owned several $50-100 sharpening tools, rod guides, stuff like that, then I bought a $40 King waterstone.
I'd only watched other people use stones before in a few videos.
I just soaked it for 10 minutes, then figure 90/2 is 45, 45/2 is 22.5, close enough.. back and forth for a minute and I had the sharpest knife I've ever used in my life. It's not difficult at all.
As someone who collects pocketknives and has spent probably over a thousand dollars on varying sharpening systems (eventually settling for manual sharpening on DMT diamond stones, with supplemental honing with strops, pastes, and sprays), I can say that this video was absolutely awesome to watch. I really didn't expect you to bust out the chromium oxide loaded strop on those manual sharpening methods, though. That's usually something done by people pretty deep into the hobby.
Thanks for being unbiased and providing excellent content. This must have taken forever to make, not to mention you had to learn how to use each system, and learn it well enough to provide video evidence thus subjecting yourself to the scrutiny of the fans of any of these particular systems.
Thanks for watching.
Evan D *Joe Rogan enters the chat*
Could you link your diamond stones? I’ve been looking for a good diamond set and seeing you’ve spent so much money I think you’ll give the best opinion on stones.
@@theone2-three438 ... I am curious as well...
I just hate that there are hate comments insulting you and saying stuff of you repeatedly using the word knife sharpener i find it sad. You went out of your way to spend over $1000 and some of them are ungrateful why are people so u deserve alot of respect and may god bless you and continue to do your job keep up the very good work and you deserve more fame and may god continue to provide for you and your family
Thanks, will do.
Ignore the haters. This man is great with his presentation. Great work sir!
You forgot to mention the knife sharpening gauge.
This god bs tho. Like he Does hard work and he gets the fame he deserves , why give this bs god Any credit
Totally agree! Ignore the Troll Haters and keep up the good work on the most useful channel on RUclips
When your showing us how sharp each system did would be nice to have a little picture of the system in the corner of the screen. I forgot what each system was lol
That's a good point. I had to flip back in the video a few times.
@@JC-fj7oo wait didn't he make knife sharpener before already??
@@stevethea5250 Not trying to be rude, but I have no idea what you are trying to ask.
@@stevethea5250 Yes this is the second video with knife sharpeners.
This is a brilliant suggestion!
900$ sharper: I’m the best
Whetstone: hold my beer
Thanks for all the like subscribe to my channel please
The 900 rupee-peso one is basically (good quality) whetstones, with a quality jig arrangement for ease of use and reault consistancy. If you have practiced and learned good technique, you should be able to get the same results by hand with regular, good quality whetstones. Probably in a little less time, as you don't need to fiddle as much with a jig.
@@pr0xZen
на самом деле приспособление экономит время и нервы. При ручной заточке нужно очень соссредотачиваться на удержании правильного угла. Любое самое простое приспособление для удержания правильного угла сделает заточку ножа не только быстрее но и лучше. Это не значит, что надо покупать инструмент для заточки за $1к.
in all seriousness thou, whetstones is ALWAYS somewhere around 2nd to the number one assuming you use the correct grit and know how to use it.
better then whetstones would be ceramic sharpening stones, used for the finest of edges, with these things you can seriously make your own scalpels.
oh, and there is also diamond stones, the real deal rather pricey but have a long life time, and work fast due to the consistency of the diamond crystalline structure... or something like that according to this site: www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Diamond-Stones-for-Sharpening-Kitchen-Cutlery-W58.aspx
that 900 dollar thing and the others similar to it use something similar to whetstones, if not actual whetstones.
I would use the whetstone but I can't free hand to save myself lol
Whetstones are great IF you're willing to take the time to practice and learn. There's a good chance you'll mess up the first few edges you try to sharpen, so practice on some cheap knives first.
Great video, thank you. I bought a Lansky way back in the 1900's. Its been a great tool to have. With time and experience it has produced some scary sharp knives.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
How old are you, if I may ask?
@@culvuil I'm just 61yrs old. It's not as way back as it sounded. Hahahahaha
@@robertwoods3701 hehe 😆long way to go my friend !!
I always wish at the end you would do a final show of your charts, and then a final matchup chart showing a culmination of all of them being best to worst.
Agreed. The algorithm will probably not count the video as a view if viewers skip to the end just for the results. But it would be nice for viewers who watch the entire video to see a summary of all, especially with my goldfish memory.
Please include: Best quality pick (sharpest), Best value (cheapest that works), and your pick.
This should be something he provides with a membership type service, or patreon contributors.
@@russelljazzbeck Your comment needs more upvotes
This could be another factor involved: I remember him saying in some of his earlier videos that his goal was to present the viewer with all the test information and let them make the final decision of which product was best.
In many cases there could still be some subjectivity in establishing a final ranking. With all the work he goes through to make tests as uniform as possible, I’m sure he doesn’t want any mark against his credibility by making a questionable ranking decision.
With all that to say, yeah final charts would still be nice.
At $900, I was expecting something a little more.... automated.
Thanks for watching.
@@ProjectFarm Thanks for producing. You're one of the few channels I really enjoy.
If you want automated, I have the Chef's Choice sharpener and it does a very consistent job.
Automatic doesn't make the subtle work manual work does, thats the exact reason why japanese chefs uses whetstone instead of atomatic sharpeners, manually you have complete control in the blade and can see what's happening, and some of their knife cost even more than thet most expensive sharpener you found in this video.
Same
These videos actually helped me in my decision to buy a sharpener for my kitchen knife set. I ordered a Fiskars one because I didn’t need perfection, just something that’ll bring an edge back to life
To dull the blades you should have just given them to my mother in law.
“I only used it on tomatoes I swear”
Hahahahaha
@@randomidiot50 A tomato cut on concrete will dull a knife.
until a few years ago, my mom used a glass cutting board.
Lol my mother in law ruined every knife in my kitchen
16:30
When you max out the starter weapon
When the started weapon gets a buff
Eating knife gets 2x buff
Hey big man , always a pleasure , also I've owned my Lansky for over 43 years , it's kept every knife I've ever needed sharp , if I need something sharper , I will buy a scalpel ,
You get two thumbs up from me , thanks .
Thanks for sharing.
Interestingly scalpels are not as sharp as razor blades and there is a reason for that , the rougher blade makes for a jagged cut which helps with wound healing because of the increased surface area.
@@martin518441 Nice
Same here. I bought a Lansky sharpener kit in 1992 and have never looked back.
After a couple of videos seen today from this channel, I know I’ve found one of my favorite channels in RUclips.
Wow, thank you!
Day 23 of quarantine RUclips odd recommendations: what’s the best knife sharpener
Thanks for watching.
@Thomas
Lol !
Here, the quarantine started on March 17 ... So I avoid looking at my recommendations Yt ...
Yea it be like that
I need to sharp my pencil... Can I use this?
X2
Main takeaway: somewhere off camera is an absurdly long list of steps.
Yes and no. Ive used a few of these different systems and higher end one. The wicked Edge once set up is pretty easy. Lansky can be finicky since it only has the 4 angles so to adjust to match your Sharpie you need to loosen the blade and move it out or in more.
Once you know the system is can be done relatively quick. I can get a dull knife to laser sharp on the kme in about 20min.
Kme and wicked Edge both have tons of tutorials and Facebook groups dedicated to their use.
@@JoeC92 I think he was just joking that the voice over was reading the instructions for each tool
Hands down, this is the best channel on You Tube. I'm a woodworker for a living and use high end whetstones to sharpen tools. But I agree, the Lanskey is effective on knife blades. Great video! Thanks for always putting out good practical info.
Thanks and you are welcome!
I love the sincere joy he gets when products preform well.
Thanks!
A thing that works is a thing worth having in a world of junk.
You can get a wen sharpening system for less than a thousand
I get joy from knowing what's actually worth the money, in a world of hype and bullshit advertising.
The knife videos seem like there is much more editing work involved compared to the engine videos. Great job brother! I'm sure you spend hours behind a computer monitor making these videos and I appreciate you!
Thanks so much!
Here's how I expect a robbery at his house to go:
Robber 1: Steal everything you can get that looks expensive.
Robber 2: Hey boss I just got done looking and this guy has over $1,000 worth of knife sharpeners are we sure we want to do this...
Both of them freeze and run when they see him coming with the butter knife
lol. Thank you
Underated comment
This not a robbery video
and if Project Farm catches up to them robbers, he'll be fillet in the morning :D
@@er3035 it's a joke not meant to be taken seriously
I can't express my appreciation enough. Your real world testing and depth is extensive. Bravo and thank you.
Thanks and you are welcome!
I knew I could count on you to give a straight forward, entertaining, fair comparison. thumbed
Thanks so much!
I would have liked to see the effort and time required to sharpen listed as part of the results. It seems like the chefs choice, Rada or fiskers would be best if you’re wanting a fast effortless edge, as you would if you’re in the middle of cooking. @project farm, Were any sharpeners easier / quicker to use than the electronic sharpener accounting for setup and cleanup? Side note, many of the sharpeners seemed to keep the users hands in dangerous proximity to the blade edge.
Yeah. To me the Chef's Choice and the Whetstone are the only real options here. They both do a good job, both are relatively easy to use (whetstone takes some practice, but it's not hard to figure out), and are the safest options in terms of keeping your hands away from slipping onto a sharp blade. The Chef's Choice looks like the better option for the general public though, given it is easier, faster, and probably safest, but the expense of it makes the whetstone look like a solid second option.
@@connorskudlarek8598 Is your comment supposed to be sarcastic? Both the Chef's Choice and the whetstone are terrible options. Either the Rada Cutlery or the Lansky are going to be far superior options, with the Rada Cutlery being the best overall choice for the general public.
@@SergeantExtreme are you trolling?
@@connorskudlarek8598 I could ask the same about you. The Rada Cutlery sharpener was the cheapest option featured in this entire video, and produced more than acceptable results. For the common housewife who's not going to want something you need to be an expert to use, and isn't going to want to spend a lot of money; the Rada Cutlery sharpener was the easiest to use at a price point that cannot be beaten.
@@SergeantExtreme any knife sharpener is going to work well enough. The question is one of "how often will I be sharpening, and how difficult will it be?"
In which case, the chef's choice is your best bet for ease of use and lasting edge.
I personally just use a piece of shit sharpener like the Rada. And just like the Rada, I have to resharpen it all the time.
A whetstone holds an edge. Chef's Choice makes it so easy that holding an edge doesn't really matter (though it still outperformed the Rada).
So yeah, idk if you're trolling or not (I assume you are... saying "housewife" nonchalant like that, lmfao).
Man gotta get a whetstone now. How much material the sharpener takes off the edge is something to take into account.
Or thank me immediately and get diamond plates. You'll never have to flatten the plates which is a time savings worth every extra dollar they will cost.
If you get a whet stone, try and use a technique that will utilize the stones surface evenly, so it stays flat .
You should only use a whetstone when actually needed. Knowing when and how to use a honing rod is rather important.
@@RobinDobbie gotta check those out.
I have had the same wet stone for over 35 years works just as good as when it was passed to me
Back in the late 70s Hong Kong, I remember there used to be people who would come around where you lived to sharpen knives and scissors. They'd bring their whetstones, a portable stool and water in a pair of wicker baskets carried across a shoulder with a bamboo rod - yeah, they walked around back then, didn't drive. Watched them once or twice "While-U-Wait" downstairs of our apartment block.
Thanks for sharing.
You still see that in India.
same in Japan.
We still have people like that here in Montreal ... the old man drives an old truck he rings a bell ding ding... does all kind of sharpening... knives, lawn mower, snipper, etc. Comes around once or twice a year. Personnaly I prefer the ice cream truck!
Thanks for doing all this testing! If you ever decide to do another round of testing, the Ken Onion sharpener would be interesting to include.
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
This must be the most scientific, concise and enjoyable sharpener video EVER!
Thanks so much!
@@ProjectFarm the durability test chart I think should have listed how much they dullled as a percentage rather then where they sit in the chart.
I have the Rada in my kitchen, it came with a set of Rada knives. I love it, it fits in the drawer, is easy to use, and for me does a great job. It always gets our knives as sharp as we want them and we cook a lot at home.
Thanks for sharing.
To be honest I think for casual kitchen use the RADA is probably the best choice, it’s easy to use, there’s no setting up involved and no requirement for any sort of power supply, and when your finished using it you can just stick it in a kitchen drawer. I’ve been using a cheap and cheerful sharpener very similar to the RADA for several years now, I bought it in the Middle East for the equivalent of around £12 (roughly $15).
Thanks for the feedback.
Rada damage knife the most compare the other sharpener. If your knife is cheap then is ok, if used for expensive knife you will have to buy new knife every year
every time you do one of these, im blown away at the detail and fairness of the tests that you conduct. bravo dude!
This is great. I really wish there was more testing like this with actual real test data results. This first and only video or article I've come across that has actually followed a scientific process to test these sharpeners.
Thanks!
I love how direct and easy to understand you make all your tests.
I use the cheapest wicked edge base model with extra stones from 80-3000 and 3/1 micron strops for all my pocket and kitchen knives, and whetstones/files/lansky stones for all my tools, axes and chisels. What I love about the wicked edge is that you can always get perfectly consistent results if you write down what position and angle you ground the knife at. It's a little tedious for very minimal touchup work (I do like a simple piece of leather glued to a board with some stropping compound on it for that) but for setting initial edges on a knife that you just bought and want to change to a different overall angle (or change to a chisel grind like I do with my two opinels) it delivers such easy, consistent results. When stropping with it, it is best to bring the strops in one more degree narrower so they don't roll over or bite into the edge and chew themselves up.
The wicked edge is also fun for making little gift knives from dull edge stuff that would be agonizing on normal stones. One of my favorite things is to take world war 2 mess kit knives (butter knives) and put an edge on them, turning them into wicked little paring knives that people love. Or getting antique butter knife sets from antique stores for pennies and turning them into amazing steak knives. I also like that the stone geometry doesn't wear down or need flattening like whetstones do regularly. It's surprising how well those things hold edges too. I keep a WWII mess kit paring knife hanging for "grab and go" work or paring stuff that I wouldn't want to damage my expensive knives with, and with the wicked edge you can always get consistent "heavy duty" cutting angles that will wear better.
The people saying that crap steel can't take an edge are objectively wrong. Any steel can take a psychotic 12 degree inclusive razor edge. The problem is the edge retention. But even with cheap knife steel like CR13MoV, a really solid knife can be had with only 1-2 more sharpenings a year over something insane/top tier like M4. As a paramedic, I used a kershaw volt with the "junk" cr13MoV for years until I finally bought a nice M4 spyderco. It needed 10 seconds of honing once every couple weeks versus the spyderco's 3-4 weeks, and sharpening 2-3 times a year vs the spyderco's 1-2, and that was keeping them both at a rather aggressive 34 degree inclusive edge for a HEAVY use blade. If I put the volt to 40ish degrees (much more "in line" for a utility edge) I have no doubt the hone/sharpen period on the $35 kershaw would be close to identical with the $300 spyderco. Durability in general was fine too. More than a few times I jammed that old kershaw into a tree to use as a foot hold on rescue ops. It never bent or complained and is still tight as a drum.
And taking butter knives and turning them into steak knives, just put an aggressively hard wearing 40-44 degree edge on them and they'll last a long time since they're only used occasionally. They'll need honing every 5-10 uses on ceramic dishware, but at 10ish seconds per knife.... who cares, when you have the coolest/most unique looking steak knives around, and they're also reclaimed antiques?
The one problem I find is with drop point knives, the wicked edge has a habit of biting too hard into the point, giving you a somewhat inconsistent grind (a rather thick bevel as the knife swells down), so you shouldn't position curved edge knives perfectly flat. And a digital angle finder is critical to finding the right position, but inexpensive.
So, in short, it's really not worth a thousand bucks or more for their high tier kits, but if you do sharpen quite a lot of knives and don't really want to learn the rather tedious art of whetstones, it's worth its weight in gold. You could have gotten it far, far sharper too, with some 1500/3000 stones and some 3/1 micron strops. I do wish he'd come out with that serrated edge kit he's been promising for years though.
The lansky guide kit is a really, really good starter kit though. I jumped straight into the wicked edge, but after getting the lansky and giving a few as gifts, I kinda wish I just started there.
There's a really inexpensive grinder wheel kit that I've seen tested several times by quite a few people that seems to give pretty outrageously obscene sharp edges in seconds. It looks kinda like two MDF wheels and some grinding compound. Would be fun to see it tested.
I still send one of my knives out for sharpening by a master, though. My $500 Asai chef knife handmade by the now-deceased japanese blade master. No matter how good I get, that knife will only ever have the best treatment.
I wonder if that big jump was a fluke and if you accidentally put it into a divot on the blade edge. I think most of those knives that had access to multiple grits needed more time, you really shouldn't see much or any of the original edge after using a new sharpener, because you're reprofiling the entire edge, so I wonder if a few of the divots visible in the blades were just damage remaining from the initial dulling that you didn't quite get down to with the sharpener. I'd like to see you do 3 tests along different points of the blade and average them instead of just testing a single point, because one knife sharpener could do a good job and just get screwed on one tiny imperfection that so happened to line up with the test wire.
Also would have liked to hear which of the manual systems that weren't just the "pull knife through slot x,y,z" were most intuitive to set up and learn to use.
cool essay
tldr
You got too much time on your hands
I read up to the part where you compare 13mov to m4... As a materials engineer I can tell you have no clue what you're talking about...
Saajan Northrup dont we all nowadays?
I bought a wicked edge about a year before this video released and it’s been very good to me so far. Whenever you need to sharpen A LOT of knives I’d definitely recommend the WE system, but for the normal user I’d go with a KME and they’re half the price!
Thanks for sharing.
I bought my dad a WE for Christmas and wound up sharpening all of his huge knife collection for him. It is an incredible system that can put an edge that looks fresh from the factory. I’m going to have to buy one for myself!
Congrats on the purchase of the Wicked Edge. I've had my eye on that contraption for a while. THANK YOU for proving it works and giving me (and my wife) some justification to hit that spend button. :)
Thank you for the positive comments. It's an amazing sharpening system that allows a super sharp outcome every time while minimizing metal loss.
ACitizenOfOurWorld to me it seems more like he justified buying a whetstone
@@onnmagber4795 Oh I''ve got a great set whetstones and a new Atoma diamond plate. They do take a lot of patience and practice to use unguided. When I hit the angle just right and for just the right amount of time, it's definitely a satisfying experience though.
wetstone better in all aspects. And best is - muchcheaper, reliable and btw if you get some "knowledge" experiences with wetstones, you are quite universal in other sharpening systems which needs "firm hands".
@@grindererrofficial3755 what about making a contraption yourself that keeps the stone at the right angle, I have never sharpened a knife, or ever did a lot of the things project farm tests, but as many I am intrigued by his videos. That would seem like an absolutely killer option, spending 900 on that device just doesn't fly in my book.
Sharpening a butter knife wins the internet for today!
I'm going to sharpen a butter knife then hide it in plain sight for self defense ;)
Lol, i actually did this to test myself when i first started. My old lady made fun of me, right up till she cut herself with it opening a box, lmao.
Very good work, as usual! One note, as a sharpening geek, a lot of sharpening is the pressure and consistency of you strokes. Any of the manual systems will vary a whole lot based on how soft you are with your final polishing/highest grit stones. Even just a half dozen very light passes to finish will get you even sharper. The only thing the jigs give you are consistent angles and varying levels of ease of use. Great work on this test, you're the best!
Thanks and you are welcome!
His wife thinks he’s sponsored till she finds his secret credit card.
Kansa City Shuffle 🤫
I'm sure he would give all that shit away at the end of the video, if the packaging didn't say Money Back Garentee if Not a 100% happy with purchase.
You sir, just made my day! 😂
If she does, she clearly hasn’t watched any of the videos.
The video makes a lot more money than those products costed.
And then he also has a patreon account.
Low quality knives can be really sharp. I have a cheap cheap paring knife that I sharpened on a cheap whetstone and it'll push cut tomatoes all day long... but it doesn't retain the edge for too long as it's softer steel
Yep, easy to get sharp faster than harder steel but wont hold that edge as long.
You could try what clickspring did to make his files, basically remove the blade from the handle, encase the edge in coal and clay, and heat it. It should add enough carbon so that the blade can be tempered.
Easy come, easy go!
Great video! Friendly suggestion to add an image of each sharpening tool as the results are tested. I realize this is me not retaing all of them in my memory. I had to go back in the video to remember a couple of them.
Thank you!
Love this suggestion I got lost easily but he did add time marks for each sharpener.
The commitment! You are the people we need in this world. Responding to comments on this video for 2 whole years.
Thanks!
“In order to test the viability of human colonization on Mars..... I put together this test jig”.
Test gun lubes!
Best comment, lol.
Don't tempt him, he'll do it!
(OK but I really wanna see a mars colonization video now.... )
I bought a landskey several years ago as an easy solution to sharpen my EDC pocket knife and it is amazing. I also use it on my kitchen knives. Easy to use, inexpensive and very effective. I have several whetstones but they take more time and precision so I don't really bother anymore.
Thanks for the feedback.
So THIS
is what my wife and kids do to dull the blades within seconds of me sharpening them. Thanks for the info.
My wife will ask me to sharpen a knife and she will turn around and use it on a porcelain plate.
I know your pain, my wife grabbed a vitronox boning knife with a razor edge to open a can when she couldn't find the can opener
@@markshort9098 yikes.
Time to bust out the cubic boron nitride knives with a DLC coating on them. Now thats going to take a while to dull even if you try cutting through a rusty pipe 😤
hahahahahahaha holy fuckin shit😭😭😭😭
I just absolutely love how you sound so excited after seeing the results!
Thank you very much!
I use a 4" rotary leather strop to hone my knives after using the Lansky. I started many years ago with the Lansky stones but just bought the Landsky diamond set. Haven't used it yet. So far I have enjoyed every one of your videos that I have watched. I frequently stop the video to take a picture of the screen on my phone so that I can rapidly refer to your tables of results. Thank you.
Thanks and you are welcome!
If you want to see what whetstones can do see "kiwami japan".
Thanks for the information.
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
@@andresd.4593 +1
legendary youtube recommendation, kiwami japan
He is the knife master after all,i won’t be surprised if he makes a knife made from air XD
I've been using my lansky for years with good results. Thank you for all of the time and work you put into your content.
You are welcome!
I love my Lansky, too!
Was looking for a knife sharpener, unsure if I should get one of these gadgets or a whetstone, and you've solidified my choice of purchasing a whetstone. Thank you so much! These videos are very informative and give a good look of what an average joe like me could be looking for and quantifying the value of the product.
Thanks for the feedback.
Awesome video. I love how how absolutely consistent your dulling process is on each blade. That’s something I’ve never seen before.
Thanks 👍
I really love how your very equal with everything, and your very professional manner, and the best sharpener for me is a Smith wet stone and 1-2 hours, gets me a nice sharp edge
Thank you very much!
Give me a set of whetstones and a day, the knife will be almost a mirror in the end.
I love how thorough this guys testing is.
Thanks so much!
I love my Edge Pro Apex. I just sharpened my kitchen knives recently and now I can effortlessly slice through tomatoes with just the weight of the blade!
Should be noted that WE has less expensive options which use the same mechanism. It would be good to have some test which shows the sharpness over the length of the blade. Cutting tissue paper for example really highlights how toothy your edge is and relates better to kitchen experience. Another test that might be interesting is how well they do with different steels. For example, i hate sharpening mc66 steel, and most stainless for that matter.
Stone and strop is my preference.
Thanks for the video idea.
Yes, I have a much older model, and it was nowhere close to $900, even with all the extra stones, base, etc. it’s also worth getting the diamond paste strops for it, as I didn’t see them in the video.
Sharpening knives has never been this fun.
Thanks for sharing.
Him: "I'm not experienced using a whet stone for sharpening knives." Then gets a razor sharp edge.
Me: Practiced with whet stones for several years without getting anything sharp, since I couldn't hold a consistent angle to save my life. 🤨
I use an Edge Pro now. I also had a Work Sharp Ken Onion with blade grinding attachment that was awesome until the motor burned out.
Cro I been looking at the Edge Pro IV for like two years now. How do you like it?
You can also use an angle guide, in my experience, the strop is what makes it sharp.
I love the Worksharp products. The owner of the company is a pretty good dude. He lives in the neighboring town, in Ashland Oregon.
Cro Minion I’ve got that Work Sharp KO w/BG also, it’s perfect! Not only do I sharpen my knives, I also can put a razor sharp edge on my “Katanas”!😉
@@PaulNewfield-PasadenaCAU-wb4xg I'm really surprised he didn't show that on here. It's a really popular system that works amazing.
Fantastic video as always, I want to get quality and easy to use knife sharpener for my mom, she has a bunch of knives that have been in my family for years and they need sharpening. I'm pretty good with a whetstone, but I want her to be able to sharpen them herself when I'm not around.
I see you've done another knife sharpener test that I'll be watching immediately after this before I make a decision, but so far the Lansky is looking like the way to go.
Thank you, and keep up the awesome work! 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks, will do!
Conclusion: Best for- cost is whetstone- 3rd place overall sharpness in first test, 2nd place in retaining edge, only $13
But also the most challenging and time consuming to use
@@sandsalamand3763 worth it, u also learn a new skill
@@RushGamma honestly I would waste some minutes of my time to sharpen a knife with whetstone
@@sandsalamand3763 Yea.
@Peakjas nah they are very easy to use even if they are old, do you have some concrete or sand paper? because that is really all you need to fix an old whetstone that has been dished.
Everyone, let’s just take a moment to enjoy a good quality channel, with great content, thank you for not sponsoring in every one of your videos.
Much appreciated!
Mine Turtle all true except it's pretty selfish to expect no sponsors
Todd, on your recommendation I bought the Lansky diamond sharpener.
In your test your knives had a two or three inch deep blade.
You inserted the blade to the pivot screw and tightened it.
On my smaller knives with 1” depth blades (or shorter) you have to insert it in the notched portion of the holder.
This holder is not very secure at the notches. Tightening the knob screw as tight as I physically can, still the blades tend to wiggle out.
Your tall blade results in a sharpening angle much narrower than 17 degrees.
The hone in the 17 deg notch just touching the jaw of the holder is 17 degrees. With your blade protruding so far beyond the jaw of the holder you likely were in the 12-14 degrees range. That’s SHARP… Thus your test results.
Also the finest diamond hone in the kit still left the edge of my knives “rough”.
I have to use a hard razor blade stone afterwards to “finish” the edges.
Try the sharpener on a victorinox “pen knife” sized blade… I think you’ll see the
Problem I describe.
I’d really love to see your reply.
I appreciate your channel and have much confidence in your methodology!
Thanks for all you do..
Great stuff. Often when searching about knife sharpening you always end up being recommended the most expensive stuff.
You've proven right here that there's no need for that.
Most of these are made to make the process of using a whetstone easier. So, with enough skill, a whetstone of the same grid ought to be just as effective
There is something very disconcerting about a razor sharp butter knife lol. Great video as always. You should do an oil filter filtration comparison test next!
Yeah that gave me the chills for some reason as well.
@@chrisburn7178 that's the only kind of knives they can use in britain. they round all the points off so you can't stab each other.. and then they complain that americans have too many guns.
@@schlomoshekelstein908 What on earth are you on mate? Why does everything have to be about bashing one country/political leaning/culture etc.? Especially entirely unprovoked and completely unrelated to the video. Probably worth exercising a little more tact and open-mindedness, if you ever leave the echo-chamber of wherever you live. I'm actually British, and while I'm not particularly a fan of either our national mindset, our political system or our tendency to self-aggrandisement (shared with the USA as a general rule) at least I'm reasonably well-qualified as a resident to have an opinion. Which you aren't if you think all our kitchen knives are blunt. To digress, I love that the US's gun culture allows me to watch fascinating videos by channels like Forgotten Weapons, but that doesn't mean I can also hold the view that if it was my business, I'd advocate for stricter firearms restrictions as the evidence of human lives lost is overwhelming. But hey, I'm no humanist (your attitude is part of the reason why) so there's plenty of stuff I'd sort out before that.
@@chrisburn7178 " I'm actually British," No wonder that sharp knife scared the shit out of you. edit: what are you even doing on a knife sharpening video? Do you have a loicense for that sharpener?
It would be a hell of a prank to put that butter knife with the rest. Hahaha. the oil filter idea is a really good one
I really appreciate how fast you went through the video. Zero time wasted. Fantastic!!
Thanks!
I love my Lansky, been using it for years. No way I couldn't stomach The wicked edge price. Great video!!
If you like the Lansky, take a look at Gatco. Similar price but with a better rod system and wider stones that don’t have such a tendency to roll.
My mans always looks like he stole a cookie from the cookie jar and his mom ain't found out yet
lol Thanks for watching!
🤣
r/rareinsults
I make abrasive stones for a living. I also treat them with wax or sulfur. Its neat to see what they are used for.
He just spent 1500$ on knife sharpeners, respect
Thank you very much!
@ Dude, you don't earn THAT much from ad revenue on youtube.
@ he doesn't do ad's. takes no money, nor sponcers anyone. the beauty of his work, he does it for us, and fun of course. :D
@@garycarpenter2932 i got 4 ads during this episode. He does monetize his videos. Nothing wrong with it, but just to let you know.
@@flipsideroot you tube does that for their revenue. adblok works perfect.
I love how at 4am knife sharpening instructions help cure my insomnia thank you for the entertainment , I love this content.
Thank you very much
I've got a Lansky and an Edge Pro Apex. I far prefer the EPA and it's not take even close. I do think you have a learning curve with technique with most all of them. The more you use both of the ones I mentioned above the better you get at them.
Thanks again for all of your tests and videos!
Thanks and you are welcome!
As consistent as I try to be; when I freehand a whetstone, my knife always attains a slight convex edge because of slight human inconsistencies. This is probably why the edge is more durable on yours from the whetstone.
Thanks for the feedback.
I see what you did there 🤣🤣🤣
As a professional chef I can say that nothing beats a whetstone. It takes some practice but when you master it, it becomes sooo easy to make your knifes razor sharp! Fantastic video by the way!
Thanks for sharing.
I love that the guy laughs so hard at the extreme sharpness, this is legit the reaction of any guy when seeing true sharpening power with his own eyes for the first time. This is real entertainment for men. Great thing to see :)
Thanks!
Love my Lansky. I would get the diamond stone kit like you suggested. I have had mine for almost 20 years, sharpening, and reshaping 5 to 8 knives a year. The stones are worn out now but at under $100 for new stones or a complete kit, it's definitely worth it in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing!
You may want to try to flatten the stones. What you need is something flat-plate glass works well and an abrasive harder than the stones. Silicon carbide is available in different grits from a store that sells to people who tumble stones. You can also buy it at auto parts stores as valve grinding compound. If you buy the powder, mix it to a paste with soapy water. It cuts faster than using oil..
Did you record time investment for each sharpener? I'd love to know cost vs quality vs time spent.... If I can get in the top 3 with the option that is the quickest, that would be my pick
I should have timed the sharpening process for each.
Imho it's the Lansky. It is the easiest for keeping your angle consistent- perfect for the person who needs to sharpen their knives once a year
My bet would be the lansky, there's not much to do than just passing the knife a few times.
i actually have the lansky kit and ill sit down and sharpen our most used kitchen knives about every 2 months, 2 knives takes about 20 minutes once you get used to using the kit.
None of them take more than 10 minutes. And for home use knives you should only need to use them every few months.
I have used the Lansky and currently own the Wicked Edge Pro. I enjoy using both and while my skill set and hand mobility is questionable I get razor sharp mirrored edges. The Lansky produces a very usable “working” edge that hold up in day to day tasks that most everyone wants/needs on a pocket knife for a reasonable cost. The Wicked Edge is more of a show knife mirrored edge for custom knives. I like to think about it like the old term “beach muscles” and “farm boy muscles”. lol we may lanky but when it comes down to it…we can get the job done.
Thanks for all the quality content. 👍🏼
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Not gonna lie been super addicted to your videos! So glad someone is out there doing comparison videos and ACTUALLY trying to make them fair. YOU ROCK! please keep it up you're an awesome person!
This review channel is about as good as I think a review channel can be. There is not a moment wasted, the testing and results unbiased, and the product range is realistically comprehensive.
Thanks!
9:33 I like how you said 'Costing $900' like it's no big deal that you spent that much on a knife sharpener. And the fact that you purchased it to make one video with it is over the top in my opinion. Thank you Todd, you're an absolute legend.
Thanks so much!
This is great, i think you should have mentioned the Whetstone as the clear first or second place in terms of value, very cheap and very well performing, even with your honest inexperience with whetstones, it is really impressive how sharp you got it to be.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
I thought the same. Im going to try the whetstone. I realize there is a learning curve though.
This guy literally just took it upon himself to do _all_ the science that needed to get done. For our sake.
If you're getting a stimulus check, please consider throwing him just a couple bucks.
Thanks for watching.
I’d be interested to see a show down of “value brand” power tools, for example, hart, hypertough, harbor freight brands, etc. would be helpful in deciding a tool for a beginner or average home wiener looking for value and performance
Great suggestion! Thank you.
The most underrated channel on RUclips. I can't imagine the amount of pre and post production that goes into your videos.
Thanks!
you should have tried a diamond plate too, not just a whetstone, since they are similar but different.
240 grit or less handles even the dullest blade relatively fast
1000 grit cleans it up nicely
3000 puts a really nice edge on.
the difference is, that you work dry and hold the thin glade in your hand, then rub the knife over it.
Instruction: hold plate on left hand, knife at an angle in right hand. rub the knife over it while you press down firmly, you can even go both directions for faster results. always hold the knife in the same angle
don't make the plates wet, since leftover metal shavings from the knife could rust and thereby make the plate less effektive, just clean them dry.
after having done this on all 3 plates do it again on the 3000 plate but with only 2 passes per site while you press down with the least force possible, 1-2 grams is probably enough. repeat this 3-5 times and its sharpened. the light pass removes the burr and leaves the knife nice and sharp.
pros:
cheap
fast
you can resharpen fast with the 3000 only
no setup required
(nearly) no mess
even a beginner gets a knife on paper cutting level
Lasts nearly forever with no visible wear so far for me
also sharpens scissors and other tools
you can brag about using diamonds :D
cons:
takes some practice to hold the knife perfect
still takes an extra leather belt or abrasive for perfection, like the whetstone
*Note: Im not affiliated with any company, i just became a huge fan of diamond tools after trying them out*
Item Name: Sharpening Stone
Material: Diamond
Grain Size Options: 80, 150, 240, 320, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1500, 2000, 2500, 3000
Features: Durable, Thin, Easy to Use
Size: 17cm x 7.5cm/6.69" x 2.95" (Approx.)
amazon link if interested, with 5-6$ a plate, its also the cheapest option, since you technically only need one plate, it'll just take longer.
www.amazon.de/Schleifstein-Polierstein-Quadratischer-Diamantscheibe-Minisch%C3%A4rfer/dp/B07NSN8SX5/ref=sr_1_23?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=Diamant-Schleifstein&qid=1588635313&s=diy&sr=1-23&swrs=9234624FB8C119740C8AE5B65C384FD9
sorry for the german amazon link, but thats where im from. the link below seems to be the same for american amazon and even cheaper, but im not sure if its any good... the grit sizes should still be the same
www.amazon.com/-/de/erDouckan-Sharpening-Grinding-Whetstone-Woodworking/dp/B0838Y58XZ/ref=sr_1_21?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=diamond+whetstone+thin&qid=1588636202&sr=8-21
nice novel
actually you shouldn't really press down firmly because that results in rapidly shortening the lifespan of your stone by ripping out the diamonds. with diamond stones less is more in terms of applied pressure
Trotzdem gut, dass du es erwähnst ;) (Man kann die Diamantplatte auch gewissermaßen als redundant betrachten, da er auf dem lansky und dem wicked edge schon Diamantsteine hat)
@@eliasburgstaller4544 Naja, wenn du die Platte in der Hand hältst ist das schon nochmal was anderes :D.
And don't get me wrong, im not saying press down with 10 kilos on the diamond. But in my experience, if you don't press down with enough force, the edge doesn't lie perfectly flat and it takes longer. But up to half a kilo with higher grid number and up to a kilo with the 240 grid has worked quite well for me so far. It always depends on the knife of course. also the quality of the plates has an impact.
This is a really nice episode! Thank you for always coming through with great, well made content.
Thank you very much!!
I think you are correct. The Lansky is a must for the tool box. Ive had one for 30 years, and with the addition of a strop, a steel, a couple of wet stones, Emery paper on a flat surface I've had 40 years of very sharp knives. There was a time when everyone had a wetstone, strop and sharp knives and chisels. Excellent vid.
Thanks!
I would have been interested in seeing how well a 2-stage ceramic/tungsten sharpener matched up. There's a whole ton on amazon for $5-20 and they're the majority of the top results.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I have the Edge Pro and its fantastic. For a quick and very sharp knife I use a 1x30 Harbor Freight belt sander with a 400 grit belt and finish with a leather strop belt on the sander with some green paste. Its faster than any other method.
Thanks for sharing.
I'm just waiting for The Shaper Image to market a treadmill that incorporates the Wicked Edge so that you have something useful to do with your hands while you're exercising your legs.
As you may already know I've been watching most of your videos and man they are absolutely amazing, great job and great channel!.
Thanks so very much!
One thing about sharpening stones is that they wear over time. If you do a lot of sharpening, high quality stones are a benefit that you will pay for initially, but will pay you back later on. Great channel.
You'll notice on the microscope images the blades had picked up aluminium from the pipe, so they may appear a lot duller than they are.
I like how he explains each and every step expecting us to actually have a 900$ knife sharpener😭
Reads the instructions showing us that he's doing the recommended actions.
I don't have the $900 dollar version but I do have a Wicked Edge from an earlier generation and can say it just gets better as the diamond stones are broken in. Ceramics and stropping lead to "hair popping" sharpness. Of course that being said, most people don't need that. If it cuts what you are trying to cut, then it's sharp enough. Love that he's gone through the full gamut of price range to give us actual performance level of each. Makes it much easier, if you're shopping for a sharpening system, to get the level of sharpness you want for the price you care to spend. Thanks again!
xuzme720 Same here. I got the $250 Wicked Edge kit. It does a fantastic job.
I've put a lot of mirror edges on blades for customers and myself with the mid-range WE system. About time to buy a new set of ceramics and strops though.
Subscribed to my new favorite channel! Now I have a ton of videos to go back and watch. And my wife may be upset with you because I tend to buy something after watching your comparisons, lol. Thanks for taking the time to review so many great products.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!