I keep hearing about “ defensively “, warriors had the number 1 rated defense until draymond went out and still finished with the number 2 rated defense.
well when draymond got injured that was right around the time that the celtics started clicking. so who’s to say they wouldn’t have been #1 rated defense all year if they were playing how they played the second half the season
They’re 6th in defensive rating in the playoffs. That’s pretty bad considering they haven’t played anyone good. Raw stat wise they’ve allowed 8 more points / gm than BOS
@@SidelineSteve your smoking crack if you think playing against the 4th and 6th best offense are nobody’s not to mention the Mavericks who have had the the 5th best offense and the Nuggets who had the 3rd best offense in the last 15 games of the season. The nets blew your defense out of the water even if you guys locked up their stars you were winning because their defense was all types of garbage, you faced the bucks missing their 2nd leading scorer for a whole series and then the heat that were being carried by Jimmy Butlers 1 man show for the entire series. You can’t discredit the warriors they’ve faced the 2 best offensive teams in the playoffs in my eyes with Memphis and Dallas who just came off of 2 series where they torched their opposing teams.
If they ever rank y’all episodes.. this goes #1. Shoutout to Pierre, the dynamic & chemistry he has on this show is hella strong !! Keep doing your thing !
33:23 Boston is the definition of less is more. If the Cs role players play their role Brown and Tatum is all Boston needs to beat you. Even if one has a crazy game and the other has a decent game the Cs defense speaks for itself. They’ve got two scores but a bunch of hustle players. Al and Robert are going to make Looney and Draymond work. Too keep their bigs fresh Celtics need to slow down the game and pick GS apart make them work on defense.
@@ImWavii Nobody TRULY carries a team to a chip. It’s hyperbole. As far as being as dominant as you can be on a chip winning team in the playoffs/finals tho? Shaq was levelsssssss above Kobe at that point in their careers and just so obscenely dominant. Idk if we’ll see someone like him again, not just bc he’s a one of one, but the rules are so different as well as the game.
Drew is good at defending himself and his opinions! "Kobe is a 1 of 1" "I disagree" -Drew "He's the closest thing to Jordan" "Correct, which is why he's not 1 of 1" -Drew
The thing that people fail to realize with the Jimmy shot is that he had played 48 min with an injured knee when the only other player on the Heat that was helping him was Bam. You go for the that shot ever time.
The reason why people criticise the shot was because Butler had an open lane for a 2 but chose the pull up jumper. Personally I don’t have a problem with him going for the win over the tie but bearing in mind Butler is not a great 3 point shooter it probably wasn’t the better option.
@@Banner-18 my point is that Jimmy was hurt and had played 46 minutes in game 6 and 48 in game 7 and now you want him to ply an extra 5 assuming he scores. The fact that the Heat were 25-45 fg with Jimmy and Bam and the rest of the team shot 12-43 and Jimmy is hurt and exhausted then I do like going for the kill. Jimmy shot well in the post season from 3.
@@roe8771 I’m not arguing with you. I said I didn’t have a problem with the shot. I’m saying from a percentage point of view it was the wrong option. But if he makes that 3 he’s a hero and the Heat are going to the finals. Big players take big chances. I’m not hating on him for trying to win the game.
@@Banner-18 yea I get what you’re saying I just think the situation mattered in the shot too. If he’s not hurt and playing the whole game and the team is making shots I think he goes for the tie and overtime but in that scenario he went for the series. Which like you said big players go for big shots.
@@Banner-18 I understand what you’re saying and I get you don’t have an issue with the shot, but I think given the situation is was both the correct play given context and mathematically he doesn’t have to be that good from 3 for it to be better than a drive. Especially bc refs hate to blow the whistle in game deciding situations. Butler obviously isn’t a great 3P shooter, but he’s not as bad as ppl think. He barely takes them so they mostly tend to be end of shot clock shots, shots in desperation time, etc. When he actually shoots them when he’s not rushed and has every intention of shooting the 3 he’s actually solid. Especially bc MIA isn’t going to be a favorite in OT (Butler basically dead at that point from fatigue and injury, bunch of other factors) the tie needs to be way more efficient than the 3 ball since the 3 would end it essentially. I’d go even deeper bc there are even more factors that point to the 3 Bey f the best play mathematically, but this post is already too long and this happened months ago lmao. Plus it’s not like you’re saying he made some bad decision. Just think it was not only a decision you trust him to make, but actually the correct decision in every way. He just didn’t hit it. It is what it is. They weren’t beating GSW anyway lol. Butler is a beast though.
I don’t think impacting the NBA necessary means you have to change the game of basketball. That’s like saying Kobe didn’t impact the game because he didn’t change it. Impact does not necessary mean change. I think that’s what drew was arguing with the Larry bird take
There was Oscar Robertson before Magic Johnson, but I can’t think of a wing player before Larry Bird that had the all around skillset he did. I’m not sure why they were more focused on Bird being over Curry rather than Magic when it comes to changing the game and being the pioneer of a position/playstyle
The Heat is really really good but during this series, they weren’t. They struggled a lot on getting production from the bench and they had a lot of injuries. So honestly you can’t really expect them to play well on defense and they weren’t consistent on offense to begin with. It was more surprising that Butler was able to carry them to game 7.
Agree with the “we want the NETS to be better than they are”. Individually KD and Kyrie are great but as a team, they never had the time to build chemistry which is vital in the playoffs.
@@okkumo1476 draymond ain’t jumping with Rob. As much as I love draymond there’s almost nobody who can contain Rob Williams. Draymond will get in good positions but at the end of the day the high lobs and tip outs he does on the offensive glass will be extremely difficult for draymond
Nets are better than the nuggets. Who is guarding KD on the nuggets! Who is guarding Ky. The nets looked that way in the playoffs because they were facing good 1 on 1 defenders. Who in the nuggets is playing defense well enough to stop them? Tell me
Having Johnny Davis as the best SG in the 2022 draft class is NUTSSSSSSS. Absolutely bonkers. I’ll gladly take my L if he’s the best SG in this class, but no shot.
2:51:42 sneako does something similar just without the hoops part it’s called one minute podcast and he just sets up a table in the middle of the subway or in the middle of the sidewalk or sum and asks controversial questions pretty funny / interesting
Bird changed the game in terms of trash talk, 3-level scoring (no prior player who could score inside, make the mid and shoot the 3) and Stat Stuffing Point forward (24/10/6), no player before larry bird was as skilled, that is why doncic a generational talent is compared to him. Bird’s defence is also a bit overrated
This videos pretty old and I was just using it as background noise but the Larry Bird not changing the game is WILD. Yes Magic was the first big Point Guard but Bird is the first Point Forward. They ran the offense through him. The point about without Magic there’s no LeBron might have some truth, but in reality, LeBron plays like Bird. He’s just a freak there’re. Had he been more like Magic he would have just been a point guard not a point forward. Which is probably why LeBron has Bird higher on his personal all time list than Magic. Also they all agree that having a rule named after you is a huge amendment, but every player has something called “Bird Rights”. Love the Pod, but y’all were tripping on Bird not being impactful. And while I agree with Drew he did a trash ass job on defending his Bird take. Love the pod though.
Jimmy played all 48 minutes. He was tired, so he didn't want to go to overtime. Ironically, I think the reason he missed that three is because he didn't have the legs under him since it hit the front of the rim.
Jimmy played the whole game in the LITERAL SENSE! He pulled up for the 3 to finish the game because he was tired. He wanted to end it because he wasn’t going to make it in OT.
Yeah ima spurs fan when i saw derrick white just playing scary as a starting sg in the league i knew he couldn't be a starter but let other spurs fans tell you he was our best player
Younger NBA fans are clue’s when it comes to Hakeem’s all time ranking and Lebron. Hakeem wasn’t considered the best center in the league until 93. Robinson and Ewing carried their teams further. Hakeem had to get a HOF player to barely make the playoffs in his second title season. Lebron is a no brainer top 10 player. But he’s not top 2. He has career losing record to Steph Curry(who’s played 6 less seasons). His finals record is going to age badly as well similar to Wilt/Russell. I do ultimately put Lebron in the top 5. But Curry will be top 7(Durant will end up top 10 as well).
Kawhi > Tatum but obviously for next decade who do I pick Tatum. Curry 10-15 range bc only 4 first team all nba and hasn’t done it enough. Hakeem is top3-7 range as is Larry Bird and I’ve been going to 40-60 games a year center court row 10 since 87-88 (Reggie’s rookie year). Hakeem didn’t play with anywhere near the amount of talent/owner/GM etc as Kareem Shaq Duncan Russell Wilt or else he would have 2-6x as many titles! Hakeem 94/95 has the most FGM ever and 5th most in single playoff run (2nd is MJ 92, 3rd Shaq 2000, 4th is LeBron 2018!). Larry Bird 1984-88 was God Tier 27 10 7 2 1 51/40/90 His first 9 years here are his MVP finishes: 4 2 2 2 1 1 1 3 2 He was All NBA 1st team his first 9 years (only Big O has ever done that!) MJ LeBron Kareem Hakeem Magic Kobe Russell Wilt ALL have Larry Bird Top5 GOAT for a reason. LeBron models his game after Bird, Magic, Dr J and MJ. Durant models game after Bird (their words not mine). I’ve been going to 40-60 games center court row 10 since 87-88 (Reggie’s rookie year and 85/86 10 games per year + 1-2 games per year in Chicago yearly since then) and the best players I’ve seen 10-50x MJ = LeBron (love them both) 84-88 Bird and 85-86 to 94-95 Hakeem That dude hating on Larry Bird is corny. You’re showing your age. Magic and Bird absolutely saved the league. MJ was huge too but 79-84 was Magic Bird!
In every big team sport in NA, for the most part, elite defense will beat elite offense. I'm with Drew here, Boston in 6 or 7. As much as I hate Boston, they have been the best team in the NBA going back well before the all-star game.
@@Gabriel-lf4qo that cap bro they clearly are not as fluent in speech and as comfortable as Kenny and pee. Dmills still be akward but is a whole different person than he was a year ago they both improved heavily
yeah tbh sometimes they just be sitting there until P or KB ask them something. they don’t always come prepared like that, and are more inconsistent on their takes
Draymond, Wiggins, GPII all were super crucial defenders. Curry not being someone you can pick on anymore is crucial. Looney played well on D. Klay has obv slowed down bc of the injuries, but he used to be an elite defender and he still has a super high defensive IQ. He got better as the playoffs went on. He’s not a stopper and idk if he’ll ever get back to being one, but he can hang. Ain’t nobody you can pick on, and GSW was too smart, poised, experienced for BOS. They didn’t have any clear weaknesses to exploit on defense, their team defense is ELITE. BOS needed more experience and ball handling that they just didn’t have and it cost them. They have a bright future though.
Looney is not doing that against the Celtics bigs…it’s so fckn ridiculous how that’s everyone’s argument for Looney’s impact in the series like AL and Rob are going to make Looney and green look like children on the boards 😭 I’m sorry it’s just the truth
Celtics getting bailed out by a team that have no production from the depth they have just like how the heat got the to ECF as well. Atlanta was missing everything they hawked trae young, then got lucky embiid was hurt because that would’ve went to 7 still in favor of Miami but philly has no bench and idk what James Harden was on also. I’m being nice by saying 6 but I think they have what it takes to beat the Celtics in 5️⃣
bruh Kawhi got injured already like 2 times he aint that explosive anymore but other than that he became even more clutch in the outside and he STILL won a ring KD also have Torn ACL but he still great but the Celtics defense is good also Kawhi is so careful on his body since the 2017 injury and he load manage what matters is come Playoff time he will ballin just like before he got hurt last year in the Playoffs they can go to the Finals ofc you gonna take Tatum over Kawhi if you are talk about the future but right now Kawhi > Tatum all day
For me there’s two different ways to look at impact. For example you have players who changed the game of basketball and you have players who changed the league/NBA. Lebron, AI, Bird/Magic are some players that changed the league by changing player empowerment, or saving the League, etc. Curry, Dirk, Magic, Jordan changed the game and the way basketball was played. That’s how I look at it.
I disagree with so many things you guys say. Putting Steph that high, saying dirk was more impactful than Larry bird. You guys know the game but the history of the game is lacking. Your ages show in your takes. If you guys were 20 years older you would feel completely differently
imo we need to drop how much accolades/resume weigh how good a player was. personally i don’t have wilt and russell in my top 10 because taking competition and volume into account, they don’t stack up as BASKETBALL PLAYERS to a guy like hakeem to me. just a thought. this is why i believe steph could shoot higher than 10.
@@Notcleverenough u mad pressed and talkin over the internet bruh 💀 you got issues. ain’t nobody say nun and you mad asl. “see me in person or hush” maaaaaaan who ARE you LMAOOO sit your nobody ahh down!
@@DTS_I im saying that bill russell playing against 7 teams total and only having 2 rounds in the playoffs deserves to be brought up when discussing how “dominant” championship runs were. the comp was weak, todays players are much better. my argument is these older guys don’t stack up in the grand scheme of things
@@mylonevibe now that’s just a toxic narrative trying to discredit legends to justify the success of the players of today. They can’t be penalized for playing in a “weak era” because that’s not their faults, it’s not a fault at all.
Bucks had an average regular season defense cos they won the chip last year so had a short offseason and didn't care about the regular season and coasted, their anchor in Brook Lopez was out the whole year. In the playoffs they're absolutely an elite defense that's how they won last year, Warriors are a great team defense but they just don't have the personnel to match Giannis, Jrue and Brook Lopez who are all 1st team all-defense caliber guys and play in a great defensive scheme. Why discredit what they did against the Bulls like they weren't a playoff team like everybody else? Miami played the 8 seeded Hawks and their defense wasn't as good
A lot of y’all were trippin talking about oh KD didn’t get doubled like Curry when they played together but riddle me this…why TF did the Celtics double and triple team KD in this seasons playoff series and leave Curry alone most of the time in this finals series?? Thompson isn’t as good as he was before the injury unlike KD. This Curry vs KD and Lebron sh** needs to stop by you kids!! Curry is the best shooter ever but THATS IT!! Green can’t shoot to save his life!! This was with JT playing like garbage 😂 I’ll tell you this now because Curry went the second half pretty much nonexistent with just man to man coverage. If Curry can’t win the game while winning by 16+ points being defended lightly and lost by 12 lol what make’s y’all think he can do anything being defended like the Celtics did to KD being Triple and double teamed?? The Nets lost by 1-6 points in the 4 games not double digits and they had the most injuries, player turnover, drama, covid mandates than any other team, trash coaching, trash rotations, no wing defenders, no stretch 5s, missing key players and yet still didn’t get blown out like the warriors just did….yup 12 points is a light blowout especially when your up double digits. The warriors lost by double the pts that BKNY Nets did…let that marinate for a second. Stop comparing Curry to KD… 1 of them was finals MVP 2x and the other one …..wasn’t. I like Curry but stop this nonsense!! Lebron and KD are just on a different level than Curry is. Sorry kiddos 👶🏻👶🏽👶🏾
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i appreciate how well drew speaks and carries himself even when he’s losing an argument 😂
I think you mean "i like how Drew is so right that it affects my bias, but that wont stop me from being in denial"
@@Notcleverenough i ain’t even give my opinion and you pressed somehow 💀💀 u a clown for REAL
I’m waiting for dude to snap one day and start cussin everyone out 😭😂
It’s respectable
@@Ed-mu5or he’s too kind man. every episode it’s “appreciate that king” and “i don’t disagree entirely” or “and that’s a great point” lol love it
Love these videos with Pierre, adds a different dynamic to these pods
Drew was right a lot in this video. He was just going against the whole panel
Dude got the patience of a saint for not hitting anyone when they said DEN > BKN
@@SidelineSteve acting like Jokic is an all league Defender 😆
my man needs to be drug tested with some of those takes
I keep hearing about “ defensively “, warriors had the number 1 rated defense until draymond went out and still finished with the number 2 rated defense.
well when draymond got injured that was right around the time that the celtics started clicking. so who’s to say they wouldn’t have been #1 rated defense all year if they were playing how they played the second half the season
They’re 6th in defensive rating in the playoffs. That’s pretty bad considering they haven’t played anyone good. Raw stat wise they’ve allowed 8 more points / gm than BOS
@@SidelineSteve this narrative that the warriors haven't played anyone good is crazy lmao
@@SidelineSteve yes let’s ignore the 82 game sample and go eith the 18 game sample lol
@@SidelineSteve your smoking crack if you think playing against the 4th and 6th best offense are nobody’s not to mention the Mavericks who have had the the 5th best offense and the Nuggets who had the 3rd best offense in the last 15 games of the season. The nets blew your defense out of the water even if you guys locked up their stars you were winning because their defense was all types of garbage, you faced the bucks missing their 2nd leading scorer for a whole series and then the heat that were being carried by Jimmy Butlers 1 man show for the entire series. You can’t discredit the warriors they’ve faced the 2 best offensive teams in the playoffs in my eyes with Memphis and Dallas who just came off of 2 series where they torched their opposing teams.
Is it me or does P. fits this podcast more than TTW
If they ever rank y’all episodes.. this goes #1. Shoutout to Pierre, the dynamic & chemistry he has on this show is hella strong !! Keep doing your thing !
33:23 Boston is the definition of less is more. If the Cs role players play their role Brown and Tatum is all Boston needs to beat you. Even if one has a crazy game and the other has a decent game the Cs defense speaks for itself. They’ve got two scores but a bunch of hustle players. Al and Robert are going to make Looney and Draymond work. Too keep their bigs fresh Celtics need to slow down the game and pick GS apart make them work on defense.
Less is more until it isn’t enough.
Larry did revolutionize the game, glad bro stood his ground
Larry put up 30 9 and 6 on 50/40/90 at 6’9/6’10. U didnt see guys like that til the last decade. Yall are disrespectful 😂
I thought dude was 6’8” and u were tripping, but it turns out you’re exactly right. Bird truly was a unicorn, man
How did nobody mention Julius Erving when y’all talking about changing the game ... while his jersey right there behind you too !?
I know I didn’t hear P say he never seen Shaq carry a team lmaoooo the first three rings of his career dawg
He did not carry those teams😂 sure he was the best player on those teams but he also had Kobe on those teams.
@@ImWavii almost the svoring Champion in 2000, he carried
@@ImWavii Nobody TRULY carries a team to a chip. It’s hyperbole. As far as being as dominant as you can be on a chip winning team in the playoffs/finals tho? Shaq was levelsssssss above Kobe at that point in their careers and just so obscenely dominant. Idk if we’ll see someone like him again, not just bc he’s a one of one, but the rules are so different as well as the game.
23:58 they won game 6 and 7😂 milwaukee was up 3-2
Jimmy made that same exact pull up 3 in the same spot on the wing earlier in the game, so I had no problem with the shot
Why have I watched this episode 4 times already and picked a new side every time 😭😭😭
Drew is good at defending himself and his opinions!
"Kobe is a 1 of 1"
"I disagree" -Drew
"He's the closest thing to Jordan"
"Correct, which is why he's not 1 of 1" -Drew
Don’t forget Charles Barkley is the reason we have short big men like grant Williams and PJ Tucker
Round Mound of Rebound
The thing that people fail to realize with the Jimmy shot is that he had played 48 min with an injured knee when the only other player on the Heat that was helping him was Bam. You go for the that shot ever time.
The reason why people criticise the shot was because Butler had an open lane for a 2 but chose the pull up jumper. Personally I don’t have a problem with him going for the win over the tie but bearing in mind Butler is not a great 3 point shooter it probably wasn’t the better option.
@@Banner-18 my point is that Jimmy was hurt and had played 46 minutes in game 6 and 48 in game 7 and now you want him to ply an extra 5 assuming he scores. The fact that the Heat were 25-45 fg with Jimmy and Bam and the rest of the team shot 12-43 and Jimmy is hurt and exhausted then I do like going for the kill. Jimmy shot well in the post season from 3.
@@roe8771 I’m not arguing with you. I said I didn’t have a problem with the shot. I’m saying from a percentage point of view it was the wrong option. But if he makes that 3 he’s a hero and the Heat are going to the finals. Big players take big chances. I’m not hating on him for trying to win the game.
@@Banner-18 yea I get what you’re saying I just think the situation mattered in the shot too. If he’s not hurt and playing the whole game and the team is making shots I think he goes for the tie and overtime but in that scenario he went for the series. Which like you said big players go for big shots.
@@Banner-18 I understand what you’re saying and I get you don’t have an issue with the shot, but I think given the situation is was both the correct play given context and mathematically he doesn’t have to be that good from 3 for it to be better than a drive. Especially bc refs hate to blow the whistle in game deciding situations. Butler obviously isn’t a great 3P shooter, but he’s not as bad as ppl think.
He barely takes them so they mostly tend to be end of shot clock shots, shots in desperation time, etc. When he actually shoots them when he’s not rushed and has every intention of shooting the 3 he’s actually solid. Especially bc MIA isn’t going to be a favorite in OT (Butler basically dead at that point from fatigue and injury, bunch of other factors) the tie needs to be way more efficient than the 3 ball since the 3 would end it essentially.
I’d go even deeper bc there are even more factors that point to the 3 Bey f the best play mathematically, but this post is already too long and this happened months ago lmao. Plus it’s not like you’re saying he made some bad decision. Just think it was not only a decision you trust him to make, but actually the correct decision in every way. He just didn’t hit it. It is what it is. They weren’t beating GSW anyway lol. Butler is a beast though.
Dirk’s impact is crazy that one leg fade away that everyone has in their bag now That’s was Dirk fam Andrew is wyling!!!
It was Hakeems befpre it was Dirks
I don’t think impacting the NBA necessary means you have to change the game of basketball. That’s like saying Kobe didn’t impact the game because he didn’t change it. Impact does not necessary mean change. I think that’s what drew was arguing with the Larry bird take
I literally started a podcast with my friends after binging your guys show. Incredible content you guys create.
I love this podcast so much 🖤🖤
And we love you ❤️
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I co-sign what Drew said
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Pick a side x Peeweedaplug = Legendary shit
There was Oscar Robertson before Magic Johnson, but I can’t think of a wing player before Larry Bird that had the all around skillset he did.
I’m not sure why they were more focused on Bird being over Curry rather than Magic when it comes to changing the game and being the pioneer of a position/playstyle
Fultz and Cole starting for sure. Suggs is coming off the bench. Y’all spot on with who Magic need…a go to scorer in Paolo.
man gassing BI i’m here for it
Drews victory tour continues #staymidriver
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I love the pods bruh funny & entertaining
Out of all the media I've listened to about these finals, this might be the most logical debate I've seen. I got the warriors in 5 or 6
Celts in 5
Neither team is winning in 5. I think this will go 7 and I got the Celtics
How did that work out for y’all?
The Celtics gage defensive versatility so they will have to try and switch everything or love we a blow by but they can’t give up 3s
The Heat is really really good but during this series, they weren’t. They struggled a lot on getting production from the bench and they had a lot of injuries. So honestly you can’t really expect them to play well on defense and they weren’t consistent on offense to begin with. It was more surprising that Butler was able to carry them to game 7.
17 minutes in and I think I’ve heard P talk like 3 times. Y’all ain’t letting him get a word in just arguing with each other😂😂
We need that full ttw pick a side podcast would be legendary
Agree with the “we want the NETS to be better than they are”. Individually KD and Kyrie are great but as a team, they never had the time to build chemistry which is vital in the playoffs.
Drew getting bullied not feeling it, leave Drew alone girls.
To answer Pierre’s question, Rob Williams is an advantage the Celtics have over the warriors
Draymond
@@okkumo1476 draymond ain’t jumping with Rob. As much as I love draymond there’s almost nobody who can contain Rob Williams. Draymond will get in good positions but at the end of the day the high lobs and tip outs he does on the offensive glass will be extremely difficult for draymond
@@okkumo1476 getting canceled by Brandon or Jaysom. Your best defender aint guarding the worst offensive player. Kevon Lonney gonna get son'd all day
@@Notcleverenough Thats the thing, Draymond isnt the best on ball defender imo. I believe Wiggins and GP2 take that title.
@@bradygagne6992 When has draymond had issues with lobs??
As a Rocket fan love the respect yall putting on Hakeem's name
Tho hes not Top10 to me, the man has one of the Most Impressive Careers, and a Solid #11 All-time. If you aint better than Dream, you aint Top10
young goats , appreciate y’all
Tyler herro the homeless man Mitchell😂🤣😂
Curry is not even in the same stratosphere as magic or Kobe and ESPECIALLY LEBRON LMAO
Nets are better than the nuggets. Who is guarding KD on the nuggets! Who is guarding Ky. The nets looked that way in the playoffs because they were facing good 1 on 1 defenders. Who in the nuggets is playing defense well enough to stop them? Tell me
you wanna talk about the 2018 cavs road to the finals but the warriors have had a cake walk to the finals every seasoj
Having Johnny Davis as the best SG in the 2022 draft class is NUTSSSSSSS. Absolutely bonkers. I’ll gladly take my L if he’s the best SG in this class, but no shot.
2:51:42 sneako does something similar just without the hoops part it’s called one minute podcast and he just sets up a table in the middle of the subway or in the middle of the sidewalk or sum and asks controversial questions pretty funny / interesting
Bird changed the game in terms of trash talk, 3-level scoring (no prior player who could score inside, make the mid and shoot the 3) and Stat Stuffing Point forward (24/10/6), no player before larry bird was as skilled, that is why doncic a generational talent is compared to him. Bird’s defence is also a bit overrated
Nigga said “pretty swimmingly” 😂😂😂😂 funniest shit ever
This videos pretty old and I was just using it as background noise but the Larry Bird not changing the game is WILD. Yes Magic was the first big Point Guard but Bird is the first Point Forward. They ran the offense through him. The point about without Magic there’s no LeBron might have some truth, but in reality, LeBron plays like Bird. He’s just a freak there’re. Had he been more like Magic he would have just been a point guard not a point forward. Which is probably why LeBron has Bird higher on his personal all time list than Magic. Also they all agree that having a rule named after you is a huge amendment, but every player has something called “Bird Rights”. Love the Pod, but y’all were tripping on Bird not being impactful. And while I agree with Drew he did a trash ass job on defending his Bird take. Love the pod though.
Jimmy played all 48 minutes. He was tired, so he didn't want to go to overtime. Ironically, I think the reason he missed that three is because he didn't have the legs under him since it hit the front of the rim.
Marcus Smart was like a proxy DPOY because Draymond was supposed to be the runaway winner before the injuries.
I had Mikal over both, and i had Rob as the Best defender on the Celts
Jimmy played the whole game in the LITERAL SENSE! He pulled up for the 3 to finish the game because he was tired. He wanted to end it because he wasn’t going to make it in OT.
Pierre a great addition to the pod
Riv Williams the first two games of the heat series played very well actually.
Yeah ima spurs fan when i saw derrick white just playing scary as a starting sg in the league i knew he couldn't be a starter but let other spurs fans tell you he was our best player
Wasn’t the guy on the left a Chicago fan. Why he bandwagoning to us.
Fr bro, next thing you know he is gonna bandwagon the clippers
Warriors always been a bandwagon franchise since they left oakland. 90% of your fans are children in gradeschool
Younger NBA fans are clue’s when it comes to Hakeem’s all time ranking and Lebron. Hakeem wasn’t considered the best center in the league until 93. Robinson and Ewing carried their teams further. Hakeem had to get a HOF player to barely make the playoffs in his second title season. Lebron is a no brainer top 10 player. But he’s not top 2. He has career losing record to Steph Curry(who’s played 6 less seasons). His finals record is going to age badly as well similar to Wilt/Russell. I do ultimately put Lebron in the top 5. But Curry will be top 7(Durant will end up top 10 as well).
"YO PIERRE YOU WANNA COME OUT HERE?"
Andrew was looking like skip bayless in this
To be honest I think kD have a big impact on the game to look at those 6,7 that can do everything noe
Is it just me that thinks the guest looks exactly like Seth curry
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Yes!!! Are you literally this dense Joel?!?! Lebron, Luka, and MJs turnaround fade is LITERALLY HAKEEMS MOVE
Drew look like if he went bald, he’d look like Andrew Tate
Kawhi > Tatum but obviously for next decade who do I pick Tatum. Curry 10-15 range bc only 4 first team all nba and hasn’t done it enough. Hakeem is top3-7 range as is Larry Bird and I’ve been going to 40-60 games a year center court row 10 since 87-88 (Reggie’s rookie year). Hakeem didn’t play with anywhere near the amount of talent/owner/GM etc as Kareem Shaq Duncan Russell Wilt or else he would have 2-6x as many titles!
Hakeem 94/95 has the most FGM ever and 5th most in single playoff run (2nd is MJ 92, 3rd Shaq 2000, 4th is LeBron 2018!).
Larry Bird 1984-88 was God Tier
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His first 9 years here are his MVP finishes:
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He was All NBA 1st team his first 9 years (only Big O has ever done that!)
MJ LeBron Kareem Hakeem Magic Kobe Russell Wilt ALL have Larry Bird Top5 GOAT for a reason.
LeBron models his game after Bird, Magic, Dr J and MJ. Durant models game after Bird (their words not mine).
I’ve been going to 40-60 games center court row 10 since 87-88 (Reggie’s rookie year and 85/86 10 games per year + 1-2 games per year in Chicago yearly since then) and the best players I’ve seen 10-50x
MJ = LeBron (love them both)
84-88 Bird and 85-86 to 94-95 Hakeem
That dude hating on Larry Bird is corny. You’re showing your age. Magic and Bird absolutely saved the league. MJ was huge too but 79-84 was Magic Bird!
People forget that Shaq took his Orlando team to the finals (beating Jordan in the process). That alone should put Shaq over Kobe.
It’s all about matchups. Who cares about the opponents they last played. Boston matchups really well with the warriors
"Lebron has to, has to" hahahahaha so funny
these guys are just targeting this man but he has great points lol
Bruh Bam would literally obliterate the mavs bigs. The couldn’t stop Kevon looney 😭😭😭😭
Yea but for anybody really thinking they weren’t washing Denver nor Dallas they r casuals
GSW DEF is much closer to BOS DEF than BOS OFF compared to GSW.
Kawhi has load managed and still gets hurt. I want Tatum
Bro on the right look like Julian Love 😭😭😭
In the 80s people weren’t shooting threes much before larry bird. Y’all are ridiculous disrespecting these greats man.
In every big team sport in NA, for the most part, elite defense will beat elite offense. I'm with Drew here, Boston in 6 or 7. As much as I hate Boston, they have been the best team in the NBA going back well before the all-star game.
Good thing GSW has/had an elite defense AND an elite offense. Warriors in 6.
tatum is one of the most inconsistent superstars i’ve ever seen, saying he’s better than kawhi is insane
At least tatum plays
Anyone who says that I feel bad for
Pierre does great in this pod
Love TTW but mike and dmills dont like to work at all
You haven’t been watching the pod then bro
@@Gabriel-lf4qo that cap bro they clearly are not as fluent in speech and as comfortable as Kenny and pee. Dmills still be akward but is a whole different person than he was a year ago they both improved heavily
@@mohameddrame7096 these boys do more preparation for one podcast than dmilly and mike done their entire life
yeah tbh sometimes they just be sitting there until P or KB ask them something. they don’t always come prepared like that, and are more inconsistent on their takes
I just rolled up 1 too….🔥🔥🔥 timing
Through the wire
P is the goat through the wiiiiireee
Kobe missed the most shots in history
Not preaching😭😭😭
How you gonna say that Boston is more likeable, when the Warriirs are literally the Most-Liked team IN THE WORLD???
this draft is stacked with talent. Its crazy how yall think theirs nothing this draft lol.
You can’t say shaq didn’t change the game when the entire league strategized to take him out of games. Come on bro, don’t be disrespectful.
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Cool, and Golden State only has 2 Defenders
Draymond, Wiggins, GPII all were super crucial defenders. Curry not being someone you can pick on anymore is crucial. Looney played well on D. Klay has obv slowed down bc of the injuries, but he used to be an elite defender and he still has a super high defensive IQ. He got better as the playoffs went on. He’s not a stopper and idk if he’ll ever get back to being one, but he can hang.
Ain’t nobody you can pick on, and GSW was too smart, poised, experienced for BOS. They didn’t have any clear weaknesses to exploit on defense, their team defense is ELITE. BOS needed more experience and ball handling that they just didn’t have and it cost them. They have a bright future though.
And guess what. They also have 4 championships baby
KD averaged 30 this year like damn ignore the entire regular season huh 🤣
Looney is not doing that against the Celtics bigs…it’s so fckn ridiculous how that’s everyone’s argument for Looney’s impact in the series like AL and Rob are going to make Looney and green look like children on the boards 😭 I’m sorry it’s just the truth
They’re making who look like babies? Nobody can hang with the dubs
Celtics getting bailed out by a team that have no production from the depth they have just like how the heat got the to ECF as well. Atlanta was missing everything they hawked trae young, then got lucky embiid was hurt because that would’ve went to 7 still in favor of Miami but philly has no bench and idk what James Harden was on also. I’m being nice by saying 6 but I think they have what it takes to beat the Celtics in 5️⃣
Nobody cares what u said Celtics in 5
U can say the same abt the warriors get bailed about.
@@damayadukes7797 nobody cares what you said, Warriors in 6.
bruh Kawhi got injured already like 2 times he aint that explosive anymore but other than that he became even more clutch in the outside and he STILL won a ring
KD also have Torn ACL but he still great but the Celtics defense is good also Kawhi is so careful on his body since the 2017 injury and he load manage what matters is come Playoff time he will ballin just like before he got hurt last year in the Playoffs they can go to the Finals
ofc you gonna take Tatum over Kawhi if you are talk about the future
but right now
Kawhi > Tatum all day
I mean Zion mom made him watch Jordan and bird to model his game 🤷🏼♂️
For me there’s two different ways to look at impact. For example you have players who changed the game of basketball and you have players who changed the league/NBA. Lebron, AI, Bird/Magic are some players that changed the league by changing player empowerment, or saving the League, etc. Curry, Dirk, Magic, Jordan changed the game and the way basketball was played. That’s how I look at it.
Drew j like to hear himself talk at this point
I have a beautiful voice
Ja morant play the whole series the warriors night not be here🤷🏾♂️
The Celtics have a team where all 5 starters can AT LEAST make 2nd-Team Defense
Damn that’s cool! Must’ve easily locked up GSW in the finals then.
I disagree with so many things you guys say. Putting Steph that high, saying dirk was more impactful than Larry bird. You guys know the game but the history of the game is lacking. Your ages show in your takes. If you guys were 20 years older you would feel completely differently
This one is an L. Celtics are the more talented team and will win in 6
This comment is an L. Maybe next year for BOS tho!
imo we need to drop how much accolades/resume weigh how good a player was. personally i don’t have wilt and russell in my top 10 because taking competition and volume into account, they don’t stack up as BASKETBALL PLAYERS to a guy like hakeem to me. just a thought. this is why i believe steph could shoot higher than 10.
@@Notcleverenough not even a logical response. can’t talk to everyone on the internet lol 🙄🙄
@@Notcleverenough u mad pressed and talkin over the internet bruh 💀 you got issues. ain’t nobody say nun and you mad asl. “see me in person or hush” maaaaaaan who ARE you LMAOOO sit your nobody ahh down!
They were literally basketball players tho. Just because they played along time ago doesn’t mean they shouldn’t stack up.
@@DTS_I im saying that bill russell playing against 7 teams total and only having 2 rounds in the playoffs deserves to be brought up when discussing how “dominant” championship runs were. the comp was weak, todays players are much better. my argument is these older guys don’t stack up in the grand scheme of things
@@mylonevibe now that’s just a toxic narrative trying to discredit legends to justify the success of the players of today. They can’t be penalized for playing in a “weak era” because that’s not their faults, it’s not a fault at all.
The Trae Young one is tough lol I take Trae though
Bucks had an average regular season defense cos they won the chip last year so had a short offseason and didn't care about the regular season and coasted, their anchor in Brook Lopez was out the whole year. In the playoffs they're absolutely an elite defense that's how they won last year, Warriors are a great team defense but they just don't have the personnel to match Giannis, Jrue and Brook Lopez who are all 1st team all-defense caliber guys and play in a great defensive scheme. Why discredit what they did against the Bulls like they weren't a playoff team like everybody else? Miami played the 8 seeded Hawks and their defense wasn't as good
A lot of y’all were trippin talking about oh KD didn’t get doubled like Curry when they played together but riddle me this…why TF did the Celtics double and triple team KD in this seasons playoff series and leave Curry alone most of the time in this finals series??
Thompson isn’t as good as he was before the injury unlike KD.
This Curry vs KD and Lebron sh** needs to stop by you kids!!
Curry is the best shooter ever but THATS IT!!
Green can’t shoot to save his life!!
This was with JT playing like garbage 😂
I’ll tell you this now because Curry went the second half pretty much nonexistent with just man to man coverage.
If Curry can’t win the game while winning by 16+ points being defended lightly and lost by 12 lol what make’s y’all think he can do anything being defended like the Celtics did to KD being Triple and double teamed??
The Nets lost by 1-6 points in the 4 games not double digits and they had the most injuries, player turnover, drama, covid mandates than any other team, trash coaching, trash rotations, no wing defenders, no stretch 5s, missing key players and yet still didn’t get blown out like the warriors just did….yup 12 points is a light blowout especially when your up double digits.
The warriors lost by double the pts that BKNY Nets did…let that marinate for a second.
Stop comparing Curry to KD…
1 of them was finals MVP 2x and the other one …..wasn’t.
I like Curry but stop this nonsense!!
Lebron and KD are just on a different level than Curry is.
Sorry kiddos 👶🏻👶🏽👶🏾
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Through the WIRRRREEEE !
Through the Wiiiiiiiire