The Australian defence procurement system is a masterclass in what not to do. How many times do we have to waste money trying to go a different way, only to end up buying the platform we should have bought in the first place. ( Seasprite/Tiger/MRH 90 to name a few)
Don’t forget the Arafura class and let’s hope not the Hunter class. At least the next frigate we buy is meant to be of the shelf best fit no stupid new untested systems to make it the best available.
You could counter that by looking at the purchase of the C-17, C-130J's, CH-47 and even the Growlers where if they stick to a script, it may actually work out. But yep..they sure make it hard for themselves.
@@amsutherYou could also add to the list, PC-9,PC-21, Super Hornet, Classic Hornet, C-130E, C-130H and P-3. The reality is when you a platform in the bleeding edge you can expect problems, ahem F-111 ahem, but the majority of procurement is acceptable upon delivery and introduction. Generally the public only gets to hear about the problems.
Interesting documentary, but i wish it spoke about the NH-90 and AHR more than its soon-successors, both are very unique and interesting helicopters with at the time some cutting edge ideas
One of the issues for Australian Military helicopter aviation is its small nature and the lack of appropriate attention. Simply put the RAAF doesn’t have the issues the Army and Navy have because focus is made in the right direction. Helicopter Aviation in general has been an issue since Army took over RAAF assets. Navy had and still have issues due to fleet and personnel sizes although standards and focus gained much from the loss of Shark02. The same can be said for the loss in quick succession of 4 Hornets. Much was done to change the culture and focus of RAAF maintenance and operations of the fast jet fleet, from there no other Hornets were lost, and in general the hull accident rate dropped sharply across the entire fleet.
Interesting will NZ follow suit? I would like to see ADF purchase HH 60W blackhawks, ADF has done training US para rescue. I did hear RAN wanted big lft helicopters like CH 53K but would consider Bell Osprey. As for unmanned helicopters i hear Jet fuel was problem but RAN should just purchase MQ8 Fire Scout.
You forgot to mention how the Army is leasing the AW139 in order to fill the capability gap left by the sudden removal of the MRH90. And how after the Defence Strategic Review 2022 (2023 final version) Army could be hit hard with cuts in the acquisition of conventional systems including helicopters to rebalance the budget due to the new emphasis on long range strike and speed capability. Don’t be surprised if the ADF sticks to just 12 new Blackhawks and scraps the rest to stay in focus of their goal under that review.
You guys should get Indain aircrafts, good bang for the bucks. Also most times quantity is better than quality. HAL of India offers both quality and quantity at good cost!
The v2 is a poor replacement for the blackhawk it can only carry 500kg more or 2 more soldiers with gear yes its faster but its also bigger an speed in a preplanned assault is a mute point leave earlier .the gains a Blackhawk has is its ability to be adapted to any role you cant hang weapons of a v2 an use the only v2 advantage of speed as you'll blow your rotors of an i wouldn't want to sit hovering in a v2 any longer then needed . blackhawk may be old but its tried an tested .you can depend on it plan around it budget for it . just like the huey was old ...very old
Fair statement you make there I'd agree. A blackhawk can carry a full section of infantry 4 across the back and 4 each side facing out from memory so the need for another 2 grunts really doesn't make sense and load out weight of that section wouldn't matter either because 10 grunts aren't going to carry the extra weight of 2 either nevermind a V2 being shot down in a hot LZ with a tight perimeter, it would probably take out everyone & everything else in that LZ. I can just imagine those massive blades and engines thrashing about still going full tilt from the fuel left in the lines for 10 seconds as it disintegrates inside said LZ.
no. US has thousands of blackhawks in service no practical time frame to replace them. V280 is going to be deployed where its speed and range can be used to its advantage. The pacific mostly, while blackhawk will continue to be deployed where it shorter range is not a negative ie europe, and the americas. Middle east will be probably be a combo of the 2
The Australian defence procurement system is a masterclass in what not to do. How many times do we have to waste money trying to go a different way, only to end up buying the platform we should have bought in the first place. ( Seasprite/Tiger/MRH 90 to name a few)
Don’t forget the Arafura class and let’s hope not the Hunter class. At least the next frigate we buy is meant to be of the shelf best fit no stupid new untested systems to make it the best available.
Bad defence procurement is an issue in the UK and US. Do any countries get it right?
You could counter that by looking at the purchase of the C-17, C-130J's, CH-47 and even the Growlers where if they stick to a script, it may actually work out. But yep..they sure make it hard for themselves.
@@amsutherYou could also add to the list, PC-9,PC-21, Super Hornet, Classic Hornet, C-130E, C-130H and P-3. The reality is when you a platform in the bleeding edge you can expect problems, ahem F-111 ahem, but the majority of procurement is acceptable upon delivery and introduction. Generally the public only gets to hear about the problems.
@@thelandofnod123 I agree...they become political footballs to whatever agenda.
Interesting documentary, but i wish it spoke about the NH-90 and AHR more than its soon-successors, both are very unique and interesting helicopters with at the time some cutting edge ideas
Remember the Super Sea Sprite!
The mission systems were the problem, not the platform. NZ had not problem buying them from us.
One of the issues for Australian Military helicopter aviation is its small nature and the lack of appropriate attention. Simply put the RAAF doesn’t have the issues the Army and Navy have because focus is made in the right direction.
Helicopter Aviation in general has been an issue since Army took over RAAF assets.
Navy had and still have issues due to fleet and personnel sizes although standards and focus gained much from the loss of Shark02. The same can be said for the loss in quick succession of 4 Hornets. Much was done to change the culture and focus of RAAF maintenance and operations of the fast jet fleet, from there no other Hornets were lost, and in general the hull accident rate dropped sharply across the entire fleet.
And I worked on them at B squadron in the early 90s
Interesting will NZ follow suit? I would like to see ADF purchase HH 60W blackhawks, ADF has done training US para rescue. I did hear RAN wanted big lft helicopters like CH 53K but would consider Bell Osprey. As for unmanned helicopters i hear Jet fuel was problem but RAN should just purchase MQ8 Fire Scout.
You forgot to mention how the Army is leasing the AW139 in order to fill the capability gap left by the sudden removal of the MRH90. And how after the Defence Strategic Review 2022 (2023 final version) Army could be hit hard with cuts in the acquisition of conventional systems including helicopters to rebalance the budget due to the new emphasis on long range strike and speed capability. Don’t be surprised if the ADF sticks to just 12 new Blackhawks and scraps the rest to stay in focus of their goal under that review.
You guys should get Indain aircrafts, good bang for the bucks. Also most times quantity is better than quality. HAL of India offers both quality and quantity at good cost!
Most times quantity is not better than quality today.
@@raheemabdul1066 load of cow craps, pajeeeet.
Why not at least put the MH90 and Tiger into a reserve pool. The MH90 seems to have done ok in NZ service?
Cost and manpower.
Isn’t it funny how the Secret Service won’t let the US President fly in the Osprey yet they’ll let everybody else fly in them
Norwa not bloody Nora sport
You probably mean "Nowra", not Norwa. It's worthwhile making sure spelling is correct before trying to correct someone else's error sport... 😊
The v2 is a poor replacement for the blackhawk it can only carry 500kg more or 2 more soldiers with gear yes its faster but its also bigger an speed in a preplanned assault is a mute point leave earlier .the gains a Blackhawk has is its ability to be adapted to any role you cant hang weapons of a v2 an use the only v2 advantage of speed as you'll blow your rotors of an i wouldn't want to sit hovering in a v2 any longer then needed . blackhawk may be old but its tried an tested .you can depend on it plan around it budget for it . just like the huey was old ...very old
Fair statement you make there I'd agree. A blackhawk can carry a full section of infantry 4 across the back and 4 each side facing out from memory so the need for another 2 grunts really doesn't make sense and load out weight of that section wouldn't matter either because 10 grunts aren't going to carry the extra weight of 2 either nevermind a V2 being shot down in a hot LZ with a tight perimeter, it would probably take out everyone & everything else in that LZ. I can just imagine those massive blades and engines thrashing about still going full tilt from the fuel left in the lines for 10 seconds as it disintegrates inside said LZ.
labor must go
@@DavidOlver The best comment so far
Let's not ignore the massive waste of money Army disposing of perfectly serviceable Tigers and Taipans.
The point is they were not maintainable to an acceptable standard.
Isn't America replacing its blackhawks with the Bell V280 Valor? Shouldn't we have just kept using what we have until those become available?
no. US has thousands of blackhawks in service no practical time frame to replace them. V280 is going to be deployed where its speed and range can be used to its advantage. The pacific mostly, while blackhawk will continue to be deployed where it shorter range is not a negative ie europe, and the americas. Middle east will be probably be a combo of the 2
Why does Australia become an American colony?
It really isn’t.
Because you want it too
To
Colonisation is different to marketing champ.
Better than being a Chinese colony
everything that is flying today relies on computers...........ouch
Why is that an issue?
@@thelandofnod123 $$$$$$$$$$
@@peterwright217 OK, so what is the actual issue with “computers”?
@@thelandofnod123 we, mankind and just about every thing that we build and operate is useless without a chip attached.....toaster!
@@peterwright217 Is that necessarily bad?
Learn how to correctly pronounce Nowra.