For everybody looking for some information about the AF 777 bouncing or for all these « experts » judging it : Approach was stabilized, first contact with the ground was ok and pilot actuated the reverser lever. A wind gust lifted the left wing and gear, inhibiting spoiler deployment, which caused the bounces. In case of bounce, Boeing FCTM says : « hold or re-establish a normal landing attitude (…) If a high, hard bounce occurs, initiate a go around ». It also says : « WARNING : After reverse thrust is initiated (ie : pilot actuated the thrust reverser lever), a full stop landing MUST be made ». There has been no high / hard bounce. Pilots did what they are requested to do. They requested a maintenance inspection which doesn’t show any anomaly. No aircraft limitations were exceeded and the plane goes on flying normally. No flight parameters anomaly (PIO). They just suffered a strong gust at the worst moment and bounces are mainly the consequence of no spoiler deployment. Everybody stating something else either don’t have information to do it or is a liar.
Interesting. Expert Kriss5054 how do you know the captain actuated the thrust reverser lever at the beginning and not at the third bounce ? And you're saying the pilot actuated the reverser lever while bouncing*, I wonder what does the "Beoing FCTM" say about that ? (* the plane bounced immediately at touchdown and the wings were not level, how you can say the "first contact with the ground was ok")
Bah voyons 😂 C’est clairement une erreur de pilotage. je sais qu’ils ont appris aux oiseaux à voler, mais il y a un moment il faut arrêter de les couvrir.
@@tt-of4xv Flight reverser has been actuated immediately at first landing. Information from flight analysis. Actuating the reverser which no gear in contact off the ground is not possible : mechanically locked. Anyway, even if the reversers had not been actuated at first touchdown, going around is not the best option for Boeing as soon as bounce is not hard / high. Wings were not level at touchdown because of crosswind. I’m not an « expert ». I’m an AF 787 CPT. This is why I got some extra informations. I’m fed up to hear criticisms coming from haters who sometimes have no other experience of flight than a few tenths hours or a flight simulator hobby.
@@deltasmith508 😂 Cette phrase ironique à bien trente ans… c’est complètement has been ! Mais toi, bien sûr, tu sais mieux que tout le monde et tu est même capable de contredire les faits tels qu’enregistrés par l’analyse des vols, hein ? Guignol. 🤡
Great compilation - great to see the choices being made out there by pilots and making sure everyone gets home safely, if a little woozy from all that bumping aound!
No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently.
Great footage! I was on AF293 (F-GSQV) which landed from HND at 08:43. You didn’t happen to catch our bouncy landing did you? There were no available parking stands at Terminal 2E and we ended up parking remote. It took a while before we disembarked as there were concerns over the stairs moving in the wind. We were eventually allowed to disembark a few people at a time, whilst the captain held onto the aircraft door to prevent it moving. I’ve never experienced anything like it.
@@PeterPan-jd9lu Absolutely not. No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently. No safety event recorded by the aircraft recorders even if impressive from outside.
Awesome captures, well done! Would you be okay with me featuring the AF 777 landing in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Bravo les pilotes 👏👏♥️ j’imagine le stress des equipages de cabine quand même et l’angoisse des passagers !!! il m’est arrivé plusieurs fois quand j’étais pnc de voler dans ces conditions !!! pas du tout confortable !!! mais alors pas du touuut !!! je me souviens d’une arrivee sur Bilbao : une tempête sevissait !! et des cisaillements de vent bien sûr !!!🙀🙀🙀🙀😱😱😱 J’ai cru que notre dernière heure était arrivé. Nous avons remis les gazet dérouté sur Biarritz.
A smooth landing isn't the aim of the game, regardless of weather conditions. Its literally written in the FCTM's of Boeing. Haven't seen an Airbus one but I doubt the principles of a safe landing are different. All the best!
What a drag to fly a hard crosswind approach then have to go around, knowing it'll be 15 minutes before another try. Your pilots earn their pay on days like this.
No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently.
Great footage! I was on AF293 (F-GSQV) which landed from HND at 08:43. You didn’t happen to catch our bouncy landing did you? There were no available parking stands at Terminal 2E and we ended up parking remote. It took a while before we disembarked as there were concerns over the stairs moving in the wind. We were eventually allowed to disembark a few people at a time, whilst the captain held onto the aircraft door to prevent it moving. I’ve never experienced anything like it.
No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently. there is no safety event even if impressive from outside.
Stunning captures! May I feature this Air France 777 landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
They don’t know how to fly 777, they should take lessons from United, Air Canada or Boeing Test pilots… AF is so used to Airbuses… the elevator deflection on the the 777-200 Landing was crazy….
AF always had tons of Boeing, there are still some old pilots at AF that have literally never flown an Airbus, and a lot of pilots at AF prefers to fly Boeing so no, nothing to do with being used too much to Airbus, just bad wind and possibly some mistakes/over correction@@sahouagouma7469
Love the video! Can I use parts of it in one of my upcoming RUclips videos? I would of course credit you in the video and the description. Thank you and have a great day!
La critique est aisée !!! Mais l'art est difficile ! Et là c'est rien de le dire... bravos à tous....mou j'ai connu çà en 707 a Buenosaires/ on a perdu un aile et feu au réacteurs !!! Çà a chauffé !!!!😮😮😮❤❤❤
to what do we attribute the fact that the smaller planes seemed to handle the crosswinds better than the bigger planes? I would've thought the weight of the bigger planes a will allow them to handle the wind better, or was it the pilots? can somebody educate me?
As a matter of fact it's quite the opposite, smaller aircraft being lighter and smaller get moved around much more than the heavier and wider aircraft. The 777 being heavier and covering more surface than the A320, it is more stable to high wind conditions whereas the smaller A320 struggles a lot more to be put down to the ground. Don't forget that gravity is constantly pulling us down to the ground so the heavier you are the more force is bringing you down.
The footage was taken next to an active road so the metallic noise is a crash barrier which came loose due to the wind and is getting banged against it's suspensions due to the wind
Les pilotes de l'AF 77 ont sans doute donné un compte rendu circonstancié des raisons d'un un atterrissage de si mauvaise qualité. La jurisprudence du 24 Mai 1968 considère en effet que "l'obstination à amorcer un atterrissage alors que les conditions météorologiques sont particulièrement mauvaises" est constitutif d'une faute inexcusable.
Effectivement les gens ont un problème à comprendre qu'avant de reposter une vidéo il faut demander permission et mettre le lien a la vidéo originale mais bon no harm done :)
Approach was stalilized. No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently. No safety event recorded by the company in-plane recorders even if it is impressive from outside. Most people saying "should have gone around" are not 777 qualified pilots. If you don't know, don't say.
Are you sure the scary bouncy landing was at 9h? I was in AF007 that landed at 10h20 and the video looks like it felt (apart from it stops before we swerved hard left....). Hats off to the pilot. I've never thrown up on a plane before !
So most of the flights were advised of suspected windshear on final and most of them attempted another approach on runway 27R, some of the flights ended up diverting to Germany tho
F-HEPD, 320 that did a go-around twice diverted to Lyon/LFLL and had the rest of its scheduled flights cancelled. You can see her go around right before that EasyJet butter landing.
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For everybody looking for some information about the AF 777 bouncing or for all these « experts » judging it : Approach was stabilized, first contact with the ground was ok and pilot actuated the reverser lever. A wind gust lifted the left wing and gear, inhibiting spoiler deployment, which caused the bounces. In case of bounce, Boeing FCTM says : « hold or re-establish a normal landing attitude (…) If a high, hard bounce occurs, initiate a go around ». It also says : « WARNING : After reverse thrust is initiated (ie : pilot actuated the thrust reverser lever), a full stop landing MUST be made ». There has been no high / hard bounce. Pilots did what they are requested to do. They requested a maintenance inspection which doesn’t show any anomaly. No aircraft limitations were exceeded and the plane goes on flying normally. No flight parameters anomaly (PIO). They just suffered a strong gust at the worst moment and bounces are mainly the consequence of no spoiler deployment. Everybody stating something else either don’t have information to do it or is a liar.
Interesting. Expert Kriss5054 how do you know the captain actuated the thrust reverser lever at the beginning and not at the third bounce ? And you're saying the pilot actuated the reverser lever while bouncing*, I wonder what does the "Beoing FCTM" say about that ? (* the plane bounced immediately at touchdown and the wings were not level, how you can say the "first contact with the ground was ok")
Bah voyons 😂 C’est clairement une erreur de pilotage. je sais qu’ils ont appris aux oiseaux à voler, mais il y a un moment il faut arrêter de les couvrir.
@@tt-of4xv Flight reverser has been actuated immediately at first landing. Information from flight analysis. Actuating the reverser which no gear in contact off the ground is not possible : mechanically locked.
Anyway, even if the reversers had not been actuated at first touchdown, going around is not the best option for Boeing as soon as bounce is not hard / high.
Wings were not level at touchdown because of crosswind.
I’m not an « expert ». I’m an AF 787 CPT. This is why I got some extra informations. I’m fed up to hear criticisms coming from haters who sometimes have no other experience of flight than a few tenths hours or a flight simulator hobby.
@@deltasmith508 😂 Cette phrase ironique à bien trente ans… c’est complètement has been ! Mais toi, bien sûr, tu sais mieux que tout le monde et tu est même capable de contredire les faits tels qu’enregistrés par l’analyse des vols, hein ? Guignol. 🤡
@@Kriss5054 Why wasn't it PIO in pitch? You can clearly see elevator down after bouncing, twice.
Great compilation - great to see the choices being made out there by pilots and making sure everyone gets home safely, if a little woozy from all that bumping aound!
That 77W @5:18 ... pilot should've gone around damn
Balls of steel.
Balls of steel, brain of mush
You guys speak like you were airliner pilots. Go for youself and try in those conditions. Behind a keyworkd we are warriors @@WartimeFriction
No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently.
@@Kriss5054tous ces pilotes sur FS qui commentent 😤😤😤…..Merci pour tes commentaires
That triple really should have gone around - nasty 🤢
Mechanics definitely need to have a look at the gear
caught a gust, yeah nasty!
Max verstappen
It reminded me of FedEx 80
You probably didn’t watch this part 4:00
7:30 was an epic go-around, right in front of you! Great job Luke😎
Appreciate the support !
La majestuosité de cet A350 m'impressionnera toujours.
Joli spots ;)
I never saw a landing like at 05:20. This is incredible
Superbe!
That 77W trying to land was amazing! What a day to film! Superb footage man! Great filming under such conditions!!
Great footage! I was on AF293 (F-GSQV) which landed from HND at 08:43. You didn’t happen to catch our bouncy landing did you? There were no available parking stands at Terminal 2E and we ended up parking remote. It took a while before we disembarked as there were concerns over the stairs moving in the wind. We were eventually allowed to disembark a few people at a time, whilst the captain held onto the aircraft door to prevent it moving. I’ve never experienced anything like it.
Air France pilot at 5:15 was like "well I'm going anyway"
His wife got ahold of his phone and password 😂
That was insane, it started bouncing, I wonder what that felt like on board!
looks extremely unsafe
@@PeterPan-jd9lu Absolutely not. No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently. No safety event recorded by the aircraft recorders even if impressive from outside.
Great footage!
That AF 777 was one of the worst attempts I’ve ever seen 😬
true haha
C'est bizarre, quasiment le seuil 777 qui a des problèmes, par rapport à tous les airbus qui se posent correctement, très bizarre 🤔.
Great shots Luke. Those AF heavies looked like a hand full!!!
Awesome captures, well done! Would you be okay with me featuring the AF 777 landing in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Feel free to !
The trend that I’m seeing in this video is AirFrance pilots are having a problem with landing a Boeing but doing a great job landing an Airbus:)
Also being shamefully bad at accepting a go around
Voilà c'est ce que je voulais dire, le triple sept serait un avion "bizarre" à poser par vent de travers ?
C'est l'avion le moins répandu sur la vidéo qui a le plus de problèmes pour se poser. Les compagnies aériennes sont bien gérées . 😅😂🤣
Bravo les pilotes 👏👏♥️ j’imagine le stress des equipages de cabine quand même et l’angoisse des passagers !!! il m’est arrivé plusieurs fois quand j’étais pnc de voler dans ces conditions !!! pas du tout confortable !!! mais alors pas du touuut !!! je me souviens d’une arrivee sur Bilbao : une tempête sevissait !! et des cisaillements de vent bien sûr !!!🙀🙀🙀🙀😱😱😱 J’ai cru que notre dernière heure était arrivé. Nous avons remis les gazet dérouté sur Biarritz.
Awesome capture! Can I feature it? Credited on screen and with a link back!!!
Wild ride AF 777. I wonder what that felt like from inside. Thanks for the video.
A few people found God. Lol.
I was in there it was pretty crazy
That was EPIC 😅
Nah that AirFrance 777 is crazyyyy. Great video though
Hats off to the easyJet's pilot at 7:15. Very smooth landing!
A smooth landing isn't the aim of the game, regardless of weather conditions. Its literally written in the FCTM's of Boeing. Haven't seen an Airbus one but I doubt the principles of a safe landing are different. All the best!
@@eUK95the Aim is to land the the plane , who care if it’s smooth or Not 😏
@@Prattney exactly :)
@@eUK95yes but hat's off with those Co edition cause a smooth landing is almost always safe stop being so bad to everyone
@heros8091 how am I being bad? Haha I thought I made my point in a polite and friendly manner.
What a drag to fly a hard crosswind approach then have to go around, knowing it'll be 15 minutes before another try. Your pilots earn their pay on days like this.
Awesome video in Stormy day. Subbed.😊😊
Amazing video! May I feature this 777 hard landing in my next video? Of course I'll provide a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
Go ahead !
Thank you!
That's amazing. May I feature this in a video of mine? You will be credited of course in the description and video.
That was a great day to be filming well done 👍✅
Absolutely stunning video, it seems we just had the aftermath of Cairan here in Amsterdam
5:20 surprised that wasn’t a go around!
No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently.
TAP pilots will be giving you the middle finger saying we do this in and out all day Bro! 😂
5:24 That landing was wild! Amazing video, well done!
Omg thank you for the explanation I never thought anyone would! How great😊
Great footage! I was on AF293 (F-GSQV) which landed from HND at 08:43. You didn’t happen to catch our bouncy landing did you? There were no available parking stands at Terminal 2E and we ended up parking remote. It took a while before we disembarked as there were concerns over the stairs moving in the wind. We were eventually allowed to disembark a few people at a time, whilst the captain held onto the aircraft door to prevent it moving. I’ve never experienced anything like it.
I arrived at 9AM so unfortunately I didn't :(
Incredible video! Sending lots of love from Switzerland! Keep up the good work!
5:15 was the “best”
Air France 777 landing!
Beautiful catches 👏
That 777 bounced like a ball, maybe she/he was fired after this landing or will fly as a first officer for some time.
Just landed at CDG today in an Embraer 190...oh boy, that landing was all shake it up shake it up 😅
Surprised that 777 didn't go around. Captain must have been on a promise when he got home
there is still enough runway length to stop
No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently. there is no safety event even if impressive from outside.
Ooohh triple triple
5:18 dis was so brilliant and scary
What the hell AF777 !!!!!!!!!
Nah that 777 at 5:15 is some crazy thing😭
« You can always go around »
@@PilotLukeReal Did you catch the takeoff of the A330 to SXM ?🤣
I'm on a big jet, I don't need ailerons into the wind...
As usual Air france always stunning 😅😂😂😂
bro hit the griddy 💀
The gasps at the Delta and 777 ER Air France 😂
Couldn't believe what I was seeing 😭
What do you know about wind conditions ? Identical ?
Stunning captures! May I feature this Air France 777 landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
Hey, absolutely no problem thanks!
Wow, awesome video - so many crazy landings!
nice
you could say the one at 5:08 went boeing boeing
I flew out of CDG a few days ago and it was intensely stormy and windy. Not exactly a great fun time!!
Excellent work, pilots are superstars 🎉
Excellent video. That 777 at 5:20 , never seen a landing like that before, how the wing lifted after touchdown
I guess the pilot didn't put ailerons into the wind after touchdown
@@gtam95 yeah, exactly. Close one🙏
They don’t know how to fly 777, they should take lessons from United, Air Canada or Boeing Test pilots… AF is so used to Airbuses… the elevator deflection on the the 777-200 Landing was crazy….
AF always had tons of Boeing, there are still some old pilots at AF that have literally never flown an Airbus, and a lot of pilots at AF prefers to fly Boeing so no, nothing to do with being used too much to Airbus, just bad wind and possibly some mistakes/over correction@@sahouagouma7469
@@sahouagouma7469 that 777 was delivered in 2008 to Air France so I’m sure they know how to fly them by now??
pilot induced oscillations
Scary but awesome footage! Would it be possible to feature some of the landings in future projects with full credit and links back to you, please?
5:17 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
Great video buddy! I’ve subscribed to your amazing channel! Keep up th great work!
Cheers mate !
Love the video! Can I use parts of it in one of my upcoming RUclips videos? I would of course credit you in the video and the description. Thank you and have a great day!
Wow great catches!
Great footage!
La critique est aisée !!! Mais l'art est difficile ! Et là c'est rien de le dire... bravos à tous....mou j'ai connu çà en 707 a Buenosaires/ on a perdu un aile et feu au réacteurs !!! Çà a chauffé !!!!😮😮😮❤❤❤
So many go-arounds!
5:29 the pilots must have sh*t themselves 😂😬
amazing plane spotting video
Hello everyone from Delhi India.
👋 from France
Mate they shared the video on big local news site here ✅ nice 1 bro❤
What really? I didn't receive any requests for repost, do you have the link?
@@PilotLukeRealI tried share the link not sure if you got it
Gust 45, that’s stay in the limit limit!! , which is 40kts. No?
Looks that Airbus are more stable than Boeing...
5:26, Wow that's a wobbly landing, scary.
Great filming Luke. 👍
Appreciate it mate !
Tous les pilotes français font du go around et les pilotes étrangers atterrissent et réussissent 😂 let’s go les hard landing 🔥
Is it me or is the A350 easier to control in strong crosswinds?
Nope it indeed is much easier from the looks of it
what a nice capture! Can i use it as part of my video for a series? I will link it back to this of course❤
Go ahead
to what do we attribute the fact that the smaller planes seemed to handle the crosswinds better than the bigger planes? I would've thought the weight of the bigger planes a will allow them to handle the wind better, or was it the pilots? can somebody educate me?
As a matter of fact it's quite the opposite, smaller aircraft being lighter and smaller get moved around much more than the heavier and wider aircraft. The 777 being heavier and covering more surface than the A320, it is more stable to high wind conditions whereas the smaller A320 struggles a lot more to be put down to the ground. Don't forget that gravity is constantly pulling us down to the ground so the heavier you are the more force is bringing you down.
that makes sense, thank you.@@PilotLukeReal
777-nose gear diving
05:21🙊😵💫 wowwww
Awesome footage that’s not clickbait 🙌🏽
What is the metallic banging noise?
The footage was taken next to an active road so the metallic noise is a crash barrier which came loose due to the wind and is getting banged against it's suspensions due to the wind
Amazing catch! love it
Airbus 350 est trop beau ! Merci pour le partage
Air France. Yes, no, maybe, yes, no, not this time, then yes, not sure, firm no and then finally a definitely maybe with a yes at the end
Les pilotes de l'AF 77 ont sans doute donné un compte rendu circonstancié des raisons d'un un atterrissage de si mauvaise qualité. La jurisprudence du 24 Mai 1968 considère en effet que "l'obstination à amorcer un atterrissage alors que les conditions météorologiques sont particulièrement mauvaises" est constitutif d'une faute inexcusable.
i land in the storm ciaran at cdg
😳 the 777 bro lol
Go around was not an option for him
@@PilotLukeReal Pure luck that there was no deaster.
to many bounces very dangerous.@@PilotLukeReal
Le 777 d'AF, j'ai vu cette vidéo partout, c 'est donc toi qui l'a filmé purée !!!!
Effectivement les gens ont un problème à comprendre qu'avant de reposter une vidéo il faut demander permission et mettre le lien a la vidéo originale mais bon no harm done :)
Le triple 7 c'était hardcor
I was on that Airfrance A320, F-HEPD. Having the only pilot of the day who could not manage twice the landing.. and redirected us to Lyon!
Ride the Wind 🤞
Thank you Luke.
That one 777 should have gone around... unstable approach and the touchdown(s) were nasty
Approach was stalilized. No go-around is allowed once the reverser lever has been actuated... Go around is only recommended by Boeing in case of high / hard bounces, which was not the case here. Plane has been inspected on pilot request and everything was fine. Aircraft re-engaged subsequently. No safety event recorded by the company in-plane recorders even if it is impressive from outside.
Most people saying "should have gone around" are not 777 qualified pilots. If you don't know, don't say.
Are you sure the scary bouncy landing was at 9h? I was in AF007 that landed at 10h20 and the video looks like it felt (apart from it stops before we swerved hard left....). Hats off to the pilot. I've never thrown up on a plane before !
I started recording at 9AM, so yes it was later that morning!
So, it might have been our flight which landed around 10h20?
@@nataliewatchman7962 Just checked and yes it was F-GZNC operating AF7 from JFK-CDG indeed
@@PilotLukeReal thanks for checking and for filming and sharing.
Fedex 80
whoa!
Delta pilots were like yeah nah, no time for go arounds…
I took off in the morning... it was so hard taking off that I was thinking the plane that had to land in such conditions... 🎉 to pilots
Air France 777 F-GZNC 5:23 so beautiful !
super video merci
Who filmed these?
Myself
How much was the wind speed?
210° 35 knots with gusts up to 50 knots (they were landing on runway 26L so strong crosswind)
6:33 "Merde y a les flics, vite, remets les gaz et barrons nous !"
Journée remise des gaz. Bravo les pilotes. 😅
Flew out of cdg on Thursday during this
Not even our flight got delayed but the bus to the plane got delayed by an hour 💀💀
They were scared the bus would transform into your plane
Hello great catch, are those flights diverted to ORY then🤔
So most of the flights were advised of suspected windshear on final and most of them attempted another approach on runway 27R, some of the flights ended up diverting to Germany tho
F-HEPD, 320 that did a go-around twice diverted to Lyon/LFLL and had the rest of its scheduled flights cancelled. You can see her go around right before that EasyJet butter landing.
@@jonasschlund6744 that's a lot of money lost oO