The Lost "Uncle Walt" Short Was Almost Found
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considering that it has characters from Snow White and Fantasia, which are NOT public domain (yet), I'm not surprised
Yeah, what this guy said.
Snow White is public domain. Just not the depiction made by Disney.
@JetWindTV way too easy to say, 'if it's in a Disney parody it's a Disney character'.
Note that this is clearly a parody, making it already perfectly legal.
@@hoodedman6579 disney kinda get away with making up their own rules unfortunately
Such a complex situation. I hope something happens with that purchased reel someday. The statement that there are other reels out there in the wild gives me hope in addition to that.
You'll never know what'll turn up an auction. Lost films have been found in many wild places.
@@guyk768absolutely! One of my holy grails turned up in an auction a couple year back and I missed it 😅
It's so wild that they both happened to slip through the communities fingers we were so close not once but twice
I think the moral of this story is to pay more attention to auctions.
@@SakuraStardust what was your holy grail?
I must say, "Uncle Walt" from the beginning was pretty fascinating, because it sounded like something straight out of a creepypasta: an old obscure NSFW controversial anti-Disney short film that had characters going throught adult situations, made by some random art studnt, that was also completely lost.
And now, that case is even stronger: it was hyped-up being finally released on Blu-ray, but eventually wasn't because of unknown reasons, plus it randomly appeared on Ebay and went to an unknown buyer. Almost like something or someone doesn't want us to see it.
I like what you’re saying but honestly lost media does have a subgroup that enjoy the exclusivity of being the only one to have something in their possession, I’ll never understand these kinds of people since to me the whole point of media is to be shared with someone else but to each their own
I was thinking that too lol. No one should see this but not because of disney or money or legal concerns? What's left? Did the ghost in the video kill your family and now you have to burn the copies and post on nosleep about it?
@@LaLloronaVTI hate when that happens with videogames. Like a lost prototype or a never released game, bought by these collectors who never dump it online because they want to be the only people on the planet that owns it.
Disney has eyes on stuff like this. For all we know their legal department could’ve bought the film reel which why will never know who bought it. Maybe not, maybe the buyer is someone who wants everyone to see it and will just have to wait. Either way people getting their hopes up for lost media ending in nothing is a tale as old as time
@@LaLloronaVT dragon sickness
now watch as the film gets uploaded less then 24 hours after this video is uploaded
Edit: OOPS
Check the torrents...
*eagerly waits for the Jorge effect to happen again*
wait haven't I seen you on twitter before?
Hahaha… no…
@@mrrockinboppin707 essentially the lost media version of tomska's law
I honestly figured Lost Media Wiki would've had a higher maximum bid to avoid being sniped, $172 for something of this rarity is cheap.
It’s like they didn’t know how eBay works or something. To lose the auction for that cheap and act like you got cheated is wild.
If I’d known about the auction I would have bid $1000 minimum, the lost media community deserves to lose access to this rarity for their stupidity
@@NaterBater For real, it's crazy people are trying to say it got botted when they clearly don't know how eBay works.
@@felixdacat4941 Me as well. To have something like this to be sold for $172? SMH. I spend that much on kush at my dispensary lol. I would have taken this to my boy's audio/video restoration shop and had it scanned (and cleaned up if necessary) and released it my damn self. I guess the people on LMW couldn't pool their disability checks together for it.
Maybe they did and still got outbid. Ebay does suggest price ranges to bidders and whatnot.
Mission failed, boys. We'll get 'em next time
The locations of The Backrooms was found, so it's only a matter of time for this lost media.
CRYING
Ekt was found let's no give up
Launching TACTICAL NUKE
Terrorist wins.
I polled you guys a while back on making "quick" videos and most of you seemed cool with it. This is one of those videos; made this in like a week I'd say. I like making the big documentaries, but honestly this was fun too. Let me know what you think :)
I love this format. Would be interested to see these in the future, especially as updates for previous cases
Bro this aint a quick video😭🙏
I do like these videos but I do also want the long documentary’s too but hey it’s always great to see a Blameitonjorge notification pop up ❤
Are you also making a quick vid on Celebrity #6? 😀
These are great to keep people updated. Gonna do one on celebrity number 6? Saw a mod doubted the guy who found her and said it was an AI image at first.
I had a feeling it might be found. Considering Mickey Mouse in Vietnam was also found.
It was?
@@Neku628It was titled "Short Subject" and was found back in 2013. A VHS version with the audio was found and uploaded in 2018.
Short film was made back in 1969 by Whitney Lee Savage (Father of Adam Savage of Mythbusters) and Milton Glaser (creator of the "I ♥︎ NY" design) to protest the Vietnam War.
EXCELLENT WORK. BLAME IT ON JORGE UNCLE WAIT
Letting the ebay listing go for $170 is the biggest fail ever from the lost media group.
When he said that they got outbid at only $172, my jaw actually dropped. The bid started at $150 for crying out loud
right…. as a collector i would NEVER manually bid like this. ebay has an auto-bid feature so you just have to decide and enter the max you’re willing to spend on something beforehand.
Ya that's honestly negligent levels of fail.
That was the worst part about this, I myself would have bid at least a thousand, minimum from the very start if I had been made aware of the auction. Multiple people form the lost media wiki should have been bidding from the start so that worst case scenario if at least one person wins the bid it would be uploaded from a lost media wiki user
This case in general feels like it’s been covered very poorly from the lost media community, I didn’t even know about the Public Domain dvd being sold until seeing this vid, you’d think Jorge and the other RUclipsrs would have jumped on the bandwagon and uploaded vids announcing that and the EBay listing the same day they were listed
I expected it to sell for at least a thousand dollars if not more, the fact it sold for so low is what's baffling to me
The good news is that Celebrity #6 from that one poster has been ID'd as a Spanish supermodel.
Oh sweet. Did they also show the name and original photo?
@@mikez4388yes
@@mikez4388 Yes. Leticia Sardá from a 2006 photo.
@@rhedosaurus2251At least that mystery was solved in no time.
@@kidferociousit took over 5 years
The people who set up bots to snipe listings are definitely not the type of people who'd share anything with anybody, so don't expect that guy to release it, for certain.
I've bagged items on Ebay in the literal last second before. In fact that's my go to tactic when it comes to auctions. No bots needed, you just risk losing if the current highest bidder set a higher maximum bid than you.
@@Olivaro10 People like you are what people hate about eBay.
@@hypnotised-cloverCry about it
@@Olivaro10
@@hypnotised-clover lol Bidding on items is what people hate about Ebay? looool No, you know what people hate about Ebay? Morons who start bidding days before the auction ends who needlessly push up the price. An auction is about bidding in the last few minutes until the last second and whoever bids the highest amount wins. Looks like you and the nine losers who liked your comment just suck at bidding and get pi sed when someone outbids you.
All of this, from the ebay buyer to the film getting pulled from the set, smells like Disney wanting to suppress it without looking like they want to suppress it. Disney could've easily vastly outbid anyone, but anonymously sniping at the last moment for just a little more than other bidders stops it from becoming a new story.
That's not how Disney handles legal problems. They're very direct, even obscenely direct as we've seen with the Disney+ allergy debacle. This is definitely a last minute decision to gatekeep this film to inflate the value of a future release or a private sale of the film itself.
Every ebay auction that has at least some attention is sniped. This was posted online, so a collector could have easily put it on his list and then bid on this.
I'm thinking it was the creator, he might be ashamed of it and not want it seen
@Txm_Dxr_Bxss Agreed. There are even apps to allow you to put up a maximum bid, which it then applies last-second to an auction (so others wouldn't be able to react quick enough).
Auction-sniping is so commonplace that it's ridiculous to attribute it to anything sinister...
@@Sekhemdon’t forget when a Disney employee outbid the leaked Rise of Skywalker script on EBay, Disney isn’t above doing things like this. They’ve done far worse to their employees, heck someone literally died at one of their theme parks due to being fed something they were allergic to two weeks ago and Disney refuse to take accountability
"Aww we were RIGHT THERE MAN!!!" - Charlie (Smiling Friends)
Hey Waltman, this is my first time seeing you in the wild! Hope you're having a good one :-)
That still sucks! Also, love your YTPs!
They were literally right there. 3 extra dollars and the animation would be found
Dude, it’s a shame because this is one of those lost media things that we would consider fake. Then the moment we find out it’s real, it’s pulled out from under the rug from us.
This is exactly why you shouldn’t make a spectacle out of releasing lost media. Does publicly announcing something make it fun and have a better story, definitely. But it’s way better to just sneakily upload the media that way it’s out there instead of making people wait months just for nothing.
Seriously. I get that some people want recognition for unearthing a holy grail but it's, in my honest opinion, a bit selfish to prioritize that over just getting it into people's hands.
Yeah and there will be zero interference from the people who might fight for it to stay lost if you upload it with no warning. It sounds like something like that happened
yeah fr. put it out and then tell us, or at least give an actual reason why not. its so weird and annoying lol
I fucking hate how roundabout and contradictory these people are with lost media, just release the damn thing
would be funny and exciting if Uncle Walt gets found a few days after this upload. Similar to that one Canadian cartoons screencap mystery.
Ya but that’s probably not gonna happen
Theory: Disney set up a bot to snag the film at the literal last second.
Either that or the creator of the film didn't want it out there. I'm sure it would be bad PR for Disney or the guy who made it for the film to suddenly become available for everyone to see, especially because of how racist it is.
THAT WOULD BE WILD.
It's perfectly normal for ebay auctions to be sniped last second. Had the lost media wiki bidder known how ebay auctions worked they would have done it as well. Maybe a sniping program was used or maybe they just timed it right but either way it is not anything sinister, just normal ebay shenanigans.
Yeah.
You might be joking, but Disney has done far more shady things historically so...
There are people speculating that the film was just deemed too offensive to release, but honestly, if that was the case, I think he would have just said that. Thunderbean being so secretive about the reason screams "legal issue" to me. Either the person who provided the copy took it back and broke the deal off last minute, someone important involved in the distribution process pulled the plug, or the animator himself contacted Thunderbean and asked not to unearth the past. Disney not being involved directly also doesn't mean that it wasn't done with Disney in mind: maybe someone down the line realized that Snow White, Fantasia centaurs and other characters who aren't in public domain could trigger Disney's lawsuit machine and didn't want to take the risk. It sucks, but here's hoping that the next person who gets their hands on the copy simply uploads it online without making any public statements or trying to monetize it in any way. Something being non-profit will be harder for Disney to claim as copyright infringement (they'll try anyway, obviously).
I don’t think so.
Thunderbean has actually released some uncensored DVDs containing racist cartoons and they had no problem doing that
The fact that he said "It was my decision, not made for me in any way..." makes me doubt that it was pulled because of copyright or any sort of persuasion from someone else.
I'm thinking the creator pulled it. Either embarrassed about the content or just not wanting the publicity. A lot of time has passed, he may have changed his mind about being associated with offensive content.
@@vectorwolf I also feel like this is an abundantly clear answer. Reminds me of when the Simpsons execs decided to erase the episode "Stark Raving Dad" since it featured a guest appearance from Michael Jackson.
Immediately I thought the same, that they might have never had it, but got sent screenshots to help prepare for the release, and possibly three person provided the copy backed out because x, y and z. They said it wasn’t a legal issue from either the creator or Disney so ghat I think is ruled out. Or they could be lying altogether and decided last minute that they could make more money selling it in private to someone with the promise of not releasing it. Either way, they aren’t being transparent whatsoever and that leads me to believe that they are definitely a shady company. Also to note, what if there is some connection between the eBay listing and the company. Did the auction happen before they announced the blu-ray release or during. Maybe they bought it and it never shipped? Has anyone tried to contact the eBay seller to see if they had watched it beforehand? I know that they won’t disclose who bought it but maybe they’d reveal how they obtained it.
I just want to see Pimp-Goofy.
I just found some amazing art on Google lol
I know. It sounds like a Robot Chicken skit.
@@ZulaCrash I actually found some art on Google
@@arnoldschwarzenegger3755 or a family guy cutaway gag
@@Slicedude2004 "This is worse than that time Goofy was a pimp!"
The only thing that's so weird to me is that they refuse to say why they decided to pull it from the blu ray release. They were willing to give a lot of "it's not this" explanations but I can't even think of what other possibilities there could be for the real reason that they couldn't or wouldn't want to admit to. The only things I can think of were 1 they didn’t actually have the access they thought they did and just don't want to be embarrassed by admitting that or 2 the short is so much more obscene than anyone was aware of and they don't want their name to be attached to its release, although I don't know why they wouldn't be willing to admit to that
I know right?? It's so strange why the reason is so private all the sudden. Given that they shared stills from the short I'm inclined to believe that they DID have access to at least part of it. But if it was so obscene, why include it in the starting lineup to begin with? (since they watched it before they decided these things)
Obviously the dude is lying about something
Or, the flim copy is damaged and they couldn’t finish the restoration in time, but to be honest, I don’t know, we will see what happens if someone releases it or not
2 doesn't really make sense because they had been working for weeks on it and had finished the final master. If it was too obscene, wouldn't they have decided that earlier? Besides, would they really pull their most ordered product ever and take the financial loss just because they thought the film was too unsavory? There's no way they'd face backlash no mater the content, in fact they'd be considered legends.
@@panta_rhei.26 yeah but I don't have any other ideas for why they backed out unless they lied about something
A bot did not buy that film reel. Anyone who’s buys a lot of collectable things on eBay knows that if you want to get a good price on something or not start a bidding war then you wait til the last second and then place your bid.
And put in an extremely high bid with .67 at the end. You go in the last minute with that as your bid and most times you won't be outbid. People tend to go up by .50 so that extra 17 cents beats them many times. Ebay gives you the amount that simply beat the other people not the total you bid as the final price.
@@tadsgirl Yup. Don’t underestimate that too.
I’ve been buying and selling sports cards on eBay for over 20 years and you’re exactly right. I feel like whoever was bidding on this item from the lost media wiki didn’t know exactly how eBay auctions work. I can’t believe it went as cheap as it did considering the hype around it.
It could’ve been an auto-bidder too, it’s common nowadays. But as you mentioned just by putting a max bid at $500.00 on something like that it seems would’ve won without an app like that anyhow.
lol You don't need bots to outbid someone in an Ebay auction at the last second. Just type in your maximum bid 30 seconds before the auction ends, keep an eye on any new bids coming in and adjust your maximum accordingly, then watch the count down and press 'Place bid' (or send bid, I don't remember what it says exactly) 2 - 3 seconds before the auction ends and if your bid is higher than the current highest bidder's maximum you win the item almost guaranteed.
Exactly! It’s funny how many comments are talking about a bot snipe, but have no idea how eBay auctions even work. If the community really wanted this thing, they should have been more prepared to enter a much higher bid themselves. It’s not like this thing got shill bid up last minute to the $1000s.
@@NaterBater Exactly. Looked like a completely normal bid to me. The community dropped the ball on this.
@@Olivaro10in fairness everyone was expecting thunderbean to release ut and some weren't even sure if that was real and not everyone know how ebay works so stop being so condescending.
@@jadenbryant9283 The bot claim was made in the video so I think it's important to inform the few people who apparently don't know how Ebay works that you don't need a bot for that and that it's a completely normal and common thing to happen with the auction format on Ebay. And that's why the community dropped the ball on this. They relied on a publisher who is notorious for delaying releases for months, sometimes even years and couldn't be bothered to pay a 100 bucks or a bit more for what was most likely an original copy of that short and then tried to make excuses for said dropping by blaming non-existant bots.
Interestingly I made a video on my channel about Uncle Walt a couple of weeks ago and Steve Stanchfield of Thunderbean happened to come across the video and left a comment.
He said that there were a lot more moving parts to this than can be stated and that he really wished he could tell us why Thunderbean couldn't release the film but that he supports the lost media community and wants to see rare films unearthed. He also expressed regret at being cryptic.
I really do believe we'll see the film released some other way sometime soon and that Steve is subtly trying to hint at that based on his wording about not releasing the film
Sounds like legal issues to me. While Steamboat Willie is public domain, Fantasia, Goofy, and Snow White aren't. It could be that Thunderbean came to that realization and decided not to risk it.
that seems like the most logical explanation to me, but why wouldn’t thunderbean just say that? i’m sure the lost media community would’ve understood, given disney’s…/reputation/ when it comes to copyrighted material
@@666_cthulhu because it probably wasn't the actual reason and they decided to gatekeep it knowing how many people want it
ok sure so he can't sell it. why hoard it then?
@@bemiatto67 That's so dumb. They're a company, and had money invested in releasing it, why would they gatekeep it?
@@666_cthulhu Usually when people can't say what happened, that means that legal issues are involved.
The fact that Steve can't say a damn thing is really interesting. Can't even say "because of legal reasons"? Not even that?
Also this video format is great, I'd like to see more vids like this!
he literally said it WASNT because of legal reasons in another post
@@elly1433 Not sure where did you see that? I'm rewatching the parts with Steve's quotes and I don't see any mentions of it not being a legal problem. Just says "It's also not related to anything involving the Disney company directly." But whatever, it doesn't matter much, it's still a mystery.
It's just interesting how it suddenly was removed from the collection and we don't have the actual reason for it getting removed.
This is the problem with people making a big deal about Lost Media, they know that they will become a person of interest, maybe the guy doesn't really want to be under Disney´s or some other company eyes, waiting for the perfect time to strike, and risk his small project in which he receives revenue.
Just fucking upload it on YT under an alias and that's it, everyone want to be fucking Indiana Jones or something.
They can still get u if u just upload it on another account on YT. But what people in this scenario should do (also people who make mods for games etc that get targetted [nintendo games]) is that they should upload it using tor and just put it out on 4chan or something, tadah. A leak that would cost way more than any company would put forward to trace.
this, just upload it on the net anonymously.
I hate those kind of corporate/professional statements that don't explain why a decision has been made. I know it's complicated, but it frustrates me
IMO there has to be a legal issue with this, perhaps even a non-disclosure agreement, hence why they're not allowed to say anything further.
It’s 100% copyright issues. You said yourself that “Uncle Walt” includes clips from Snow White and a scene depicting the Seven Dwarves. Disney’s Snow White and the Seven Dwarves came out in 1937 and won’t enter the public domain until 2032. There’s also the fact Disney still owns the trademark on Mickey Mouse, so releasing “Uncle Walt” commercially would just be asking for a big fat lawsuit. I’m guessing this dude got some legal advice along the lines of “You can roll the dice, but it most likely means a legal battle with Disney that you have no hope of winning.”
Guys, it was confirmed it’s NOT copyright or legal problems. Thunderbean confirmed this
@@wilddog47neo47Thunderbean is so full of it. He's too embarrassed to admit that he made a mistake.
I don't think copyright is the problem since this film counts as a parody
@@sonicfanboy3375 that’s what I said! Plus thunderbean confirmed this too
@@wilddog47neo47 if I had Disney's lawyers breathing down my neck, I'd say anything they told me to say.
I used to "snipe" listings in the late 2000s to early 2010s. Doing it last second ad a human is definitely possible and is actually a pretty good strategy. You just have to type your bid in and then sit there like a moron during the countdown before pressing send. Things might've changed since then though.
It’s the same way as it was. Pretty much any auction that has some eyes on it is gonna end with last second bids. They weren’t prepared with a max bid at all it seems, because this thing went very cheap compared to the bid they had in.
Jorge, Celebrity #6 was found!!!
OMG ACTUALLY??
@@kettlecorn2197Yup. Her name is Leticia Sarda.
I just looked it up and omg Im so happy they found her!!
@@kettlecorn2197 Well, what's her name?
@@scottylewis8124Leticia Sarda
They only offered $170 for the eBay listing! What were they thinking
theyre genuinely so brainless for that lol. they couldve just placed a max bid of 500 and couldve snagged it for 173 in the end
Makes you think how competent these guys really are
@@rjd543 that's the most baffling part to me, it's insane they set a max bid so little under the starting bid then said they got botted
The fumble on this one is insane
I’m going to throw my own input on here, as I’ve found lost media myself. I am almost 100% sure Robert Swarthe contacted them to not release the film. It was such an off-color piece of media that he probably didn’t want that attached to his name.
I would guess that Robert Swarthe or someone associated with him contacted Thunderbean and prevented them from including Uncle Walt. Although it's weird that, for a student film that was only aired once then vanished for 60 years, there appears to have been at least four separate reels over the years: Thunderbean's copy, the eBay copy, Steve Stanchfield's personal copy (which he appears to no longer have) and the AFI's copy (plus Swarthe's original reel if he didn't hand that to the AFI).
My theory: the creator (Robert) contacted thunderbean and asked him to not release it. He knows there are racist stereotypes in that movie that probably haven’t aged well and he doesn’t want to get grief over it.
Because of the sensitive content in Uncle Walt the creator doesn’t want to deal with the backlash should it be widely available online.
Edit: if I’m correct then the film will eventually be released either from a) another source leak or b) from those that already have it AFTER Robert passes away.
This could also explain the vague wording from Thunerbean. Because if he tells everyone Robert asked him not to release it for those reasons, it would put a major spotlight on the racist stuff. News outlets would run stories on it.
Also if you read carefully Thunderbean confirms that it’s not because of Disney or Wikileaks. He wasn’t paid off. It’s literally “due to circumstances tied to the film.” Which at least to me lines up with the movie having sensitive content and someone not wanting it released.
Just my theory tho.
You have a point
I think that's what happened, what else could have gone on?
They said it has nothing to do with the creator. Couldn’t they just say the creator didn’t want it to be released so we have our hands tied at the moment. Most would understand that and move on. We wouldn’t even need the details to why because it’s pretty self-explanatory as to why he might not want it released. They’ve denied every explanation (including that one) that we could all think up so it leads me to believe the company screwed up somewhere and possibly never had it or some deal fell through from whoever or however they were going to obtain it. Even so, If it were because of the creator then they’ve lied to us, right? So either way, it’s coming off as pretty shady and moving forward I’d not trust them to be forthcoming about any other future releases. Also I don’t see very many people talking about the timing of the eBay auction and TB’s announcement. I wonder if there is any connection.
Remember when a 16 minute video was considered long?
You make me question myself- that is not good…
Blameitonjorge is known for his longevity and deep analysis on mysteries, lost media, and obscurity which tend to range from near 30 minutes to an hour or so. So 16 minutes does seem pretty short for him.
I remember being blown away back in 2016 when some youtuber made a 50 something minute video, that's rookie numbers today as content gets longer and longer
when youtube wouldnt let you upload videos that lasted more than 15 minutes long and you had to cut them into parts
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Actually does sound like the creator was involved tbh, that's the only hypothesis that Steve didn't outright deny.
Uncle blameitonjorge is back. Joking a side. This unofficial Mickey Mouse short was really close to being found. I heard the Lost Media Wiki was really close to getting it.
I heard that too.. in this video lol
It’s been 3 weeks
... yeah, that's what this video was about
The ghosts of Disney past, present and future (Walt, Iger and Chapek) came for him in the night and showed him what would happen if he released the short.
Its pretty obvious the creator contacted them. He probably wasn't proud of the creation.
My thoughts exactly. He’s probably embarrassed by the film and wants it buried so he most likely contacted them to prevent it from being released.
This is what I think, too. Something he made in his early 20s, and now he likely has a family, children, maybe grandchildren. Probably his views have changed a lot since making it. If that's the case, I can't blame him for wanting to keep it private. If he contacted Thunderbean and asked Steve for it to be pulled from the DVD, of course Steve would want to honour that request and of course he wouldn't be able to speak publicly about it. I bet Robert Swarthe was also the mystery Ebay buyer, too.
But the company said it was the creator…so if that’s the case then why are they lying?
This is epic levels of failure. No other words to describe it. You can put your MAX bid in, And ebay will put forward your bid if it beats the sniping job. Absolute retardation to lose the bid $22 from opening bid.
she blameit on my jorge til my media is found
thank you flutterbat from my little pony: magic princess
reading this in Fluttershy's voice
I refuse to believe the listing sold for ONLY $172, you're really telling me that this ultra rare, never before seen film, starring some of the most iconic characters in animation history, from Disney itself, in it's authentic reel, has as much worth as a Nintendo Switch lite???
From a collectors' POV, that is an astonishing kind of deal, but an absolutely massive fat L from the Lost Media community, I know not everyone has money to throw around but, especially with such a hyped up & anticipated bit of media, I'd thought the community would've pooled together and each put in a few dollars to a trusted member of the community help secure it.
That not the problem they just don't know how auctions and how eBay works it not how much money you throw around it bidding at the last second before you can get outbid or some other people to be able to react to it
I have done it for a long time and it mostly successful 95 percent of the time
A lot of people regretting not buying that ebay listing
Dam if I would have known it was on Ebay it would be in my collection right now. $172 I would have paid so much more!
Not stating why they chose to pull it will always create more mystery when it’s likely something entirely innocuous. They should just state the matter in plain text. It’s likely not legal because there’s no reason they can’t say that. It sounds more like someone requested it not be released and they’re not saying because they don’t want the community to harass them.
9:06 this image made me realize this was indeed the actual short also wasn't expecting it to look like Mickey Mouse in Vietnam
Short Subject was found a long time ago. I don't have any doubts this will be found.
The thing is will this forever be paywalled?
People have noticed that they can keep lost media paid only. Which is infuriating. The pain of having something within reach, but as it stands. Greed is winning..
doesnt matter if its released as paid only at first, only takes 1 person to pay for it to preserve it
@@dialga236 shouldn't be paid at all.
@@Mitzthatonekid im not justifying it, im just saying its easy to preserve.
@@dialga236 Honestly? You got a point.
@@Mitzthatonekid 🤝
If I had to take a wild guess, either:
A - Thunderbean no longer has access to the film and can't release it.
B - The film itself might have been deemed too offensive to release.
Leaning towards B myself. I genuinely think the extreme racial stereotyping was probably too much of a PR nightmare and was understandably dropped.
Why the vagueness, though?
Doubt it's the latter, they could easily just add a disclaimer. Disney being somehow involved makes more sense
@@faithg7750 Wasn't a problem for Warner Brothers, all they had to do was put a lame warning screen before the show.
werent there depictions from stuff released later in there too? snow white, fantasia? it may not have been too offensive for thunderbean to release, but disney obviously wants strict control over their brand image, so if theres something in it that they still have copyright on, thats gotta be winnable before it even starts with their us military of a legal department
Maybe they were contacted by Robert Swarthe or his family and asked not to release it??
maybe there were unknown copyright fears, for example in the scenes with the bunnies watching scenes from disney movies, the stuff depicted is likely still under copyright.
my fear is that the video was excluded for ideological/bad publicity reasons. there was clearly a LOT of intentional racist characterization in uncle walt and it'd be a shame if this was left out due to that.
Yeah that's what I was worried the reason for them excluding Uncle Walt was.
Honestly when it comes to lost media they shouldn't suppress it for that reason. Just release it on its own with a disclaimer in the description saying that it has objectionable content in it, don't just completely trash it
The creator of Thunder Bean (who was gonna release Uncle Walt) said that it had NOTHING to do with legal troubles.
Because this film is considered a parody which means it’s protected by the parody law
If you want to see it so bad, what would be wrong with excluding some parts? If you got the video minus four minutes, would it matter?
@@KAlovesherkitties because it would still be considered lost. It would only be considered "partially found" if it wasn't the full thing
"with goofy as a pimp"
*spits out my drink* EXCUSE ME!? XD
In my opinion, the simplest explanation is that the creator didn’t want it out for whatever reason. I don’t think he threatened any lawsuits or claimed ownership or anything like that, but perhaps he simply requested it not to be released and the Blu-Ray company obliged. Thats why both the Lost Media Wiki and Disney were exempted from blame in their statement. Again, just a theory
The company literally said it wasn’t because of the creator.
And I mean that was my thought at first too but they squashed that theory. And if it is that, then they are straight up are lying.
Uncle Walt
Mickey Mouse in Vietnam (found)
Mickey Mouse Sex Tape
Truly the holy trinity of lost Mickey Mouse media
The third one is probably lost forever sadly but it would be insane if it got found
She mickey on my mouse till I vietnam
@@djm334-goomodding I need to see it bro please get found 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@olidaholiwhy.
@@djm334-goomodding it would practically blow everyone away in the lost media community if that was found
Honestly, a decades old sought after piece of lost media being remastered and released on DVD just seemed TOO easy. 😂
That is waaaaay too fishy. It reads like the "cracks" situation. The guys gets the film "mysteriously" and then hypes up the release of it, then randomly decideds not to insiting "they just cant"
Exactly, and are we forgetting that this same company held onto people’s money for 2 years before releasing a product? That alone makes me think that this company is questionable or not to be trusted. I believe the company never had the Walt video to begin with, and possibly had a lead and thought they’d get their hands on it without actually knowing for sure. Jumped the gun and started to advertise its release, months go by and they still don’t have access to it and waited as long as they could trying to scramble of what to do and thus here we are. He provides some vague explanation so that his business won’t be held accountable and to not loose customers or his reputation. Shady.
They lost at $172??? Man, I would have put down minimum $400 at the literal last minute, too, if I was bidding on something that rare!!!
The biggest mystery is Steve deciding after months and months of work, to pull the short. Cant even give a reason why. It was a "hard decision" to make. They would always release lost media, except for now.... Something is super fishy there. Looking at the screenshots, it could possibly the themes of the short was too risky? So by not exposing the reason, they wouldnt get bombarded with queries as to the nature of the scenes in question. Now another question is, from which country were they printing and shipping. Because possible new hate crime laws that sprung up in certain countries over last few years could land you in jail. This is the only thing that makes sense off the bat. That by releasing that film they would be liable to hate crime accusations. Unless we really dissect what he stated the reasons that "werent" the cause. Like he said, they didnt get a bribe from Disney, which could mean they did get threatened. And although they could release the film and be within their rights to do so, they could still be dragged over the coals in court by the house of mouse. Just speculation. But that explanation just makes no sense otherwise.
I blame you, JORGE.
Thanks for the quickie Jorge
uncle is back
Yay
Did he bring the milk and cigarettes?
@@ATippingBarn probably
walt is gone :(
@@jennycradduck2606 why not both
Quickie: George
Long video: Jorge.
Intermediate length video: Jörg
This feels like a creepypasta bro what if they can't release the film because if you watch it 1000 devils come out of it and eat you
yeah I watched it and that’s what happened to me
This'll be found again, If one was found. Other's are soon to unearth
We were so close to greatness, and yet we were robbed at the last second!
For everyone who is unaware (especially people who just know Thunderbean for this):
No, Thunderbean is not a scam company, nor is it a bad company. It is a company thats been around for decades releasing older films left and right.
This is the first ever time they did this, aka pulling a film last minute. They do have the film, and it was scanned. Steve did plan to release it, but something mustve stopped him from doing so.
Please (I dont mean all of you, just some), stop harrasing and threatening Steve over this.
I feel like he was threatened to not release it
Thunderbean has to be lying. If not for corporate bribing, private collectors, or the threat of online leaks, what other reason could there be to not release the film? The fact that they can’t disclose the reason is also very suspicious. These people are prioritizing something stupid like money or what have you over the community they claim to love.
Oh, so that's what happened... I saw some of the development of this on the lmw forums but I didn't see if it ever actually released
It's crazy that something believed to be lost just randomly pops up on places like ebay, Great video btw 👍
First the pilot of "Me and My Friends" almost being found, and now "Uncle Walt". Smh man 😔
Wait what!? The pilot was almost found!? :O
@@alexiskuwata yeah. LSuperSonicQ made a whole video talking about it.
A blameitonJorge quickie is crazy work
Yeah i love a good quickie from jorge
Well we can't "blame on jorge" for not revealing Uncle Disney.
Ridiculous on how selfish some people can be.
My gut tells me that the original animator probably contacted them with concerns about having his reputation ruined. Totally understandable and something I imagine thunderbean agreed with. It's more important to protect someone you know then please thousands of randos with a shared niche interest. It will probably get leaked one day, but thunderbean isn't the one to pull the trigger.
but everybody already know he did it 😭
@@PetiteMinina Yes but not the grisly details. As of now, it's just conjecture. With actual clips, the problematic aspects are now undeniable.
The vagueness of his explanation pisses me off to no end.
Exactly
probably because it was legal advice from a lawyer or someone that knew releasing that film and proffiting off of Walt motherfucking Disney was asking for trouble
It has to be Disney. Saying, "It's on the public domain so Disney should not have a say in this" makes no sense when they already sent copyright claims on videos after steamboat willy entered the public domain. And at the same time, it's Disney. They have "I can do whatever I want with my lawyers" money
This is so insane. He's making it sound like there's something illegal on the tape and doesn't wanna say for some reason. He's also not clarifying why he can't say. Is he being held back legally? Literalky wtf is going on.
goofy was said to be in the film and he has copyright still
@@scizopenguin that actually makes sense ig. But is that really how it works when technically the film is public domain? Is it even public domain atp is Goofy is still copyrighted?
@@HobieInTheBox Nvm, it was a parody thats legal so copyright wasnt a problem.
Wonder if the film will be dumped after this video dropped
It's interesting to consider how this phrase is worded "Disney is not involved directly". I may be nothing, but it leaves the possibility that Disney is involved indirectly. Something like a lawyer firm reaching on behalf of Disney would fit this description.
this video didn’t even pop up in my subscription notifications!!!
I love that quickies are 16 minutes, gotta love Jorge
Next videos gotta be the lost celebrity on the blanket being found right?
Do people really want an update video? It was found 2 months after my video lol so not much to discuss other than how it was found
@@blameitonjorgejust do a community post about it
@@blameitonjorge Probably wouldn't make much of a video, especially if you've already covered it. Keep doing what you're doing man, always love when a new video drops.
@@blameitonjorgeI feel like you underestimate the amount of people that just follow your channel alone for lost media things. Even if I already know something is found, if you make a video about it, I'll still watch it just for your unique spin on it.
@@blameitonjorge Maybe try it as a short and see how it performs
i had a dream last night where blameitonjorge was real and started sobbing 😢😢
Can't wait for this to be found tomorrow.
Every upload we say THANK YOU JORGE IN UNISON ✨👌
At this rate we'll find the original Jeff the Killer pic by the end of the year. Crazy how many iconic mysteries have been solved in 2024.
blameitonjorge made a video on it, therefore it will be found next week
*>"Quickie"*
*>the video is 16 minutes long*
It seems pretty obvious to me why they didn't release it. Steamboat!Mickey and Minnie might be public domain now, but Goofy, Fantasia, Disney!Snow White, etc. are not.
Thunderbean probably realized this at the last second and that's why they pulled it.
Yeah this def feels like Disney (or someone working for/with Disney) made them pull Uncle Walt
feels like you're wrong.
@@Mergerie_Smithaton 👍
So someone could have solved this whole problem by bidding 200 bucks on an original? Didn't realize the lost media scene was so broke
Ah yes
The first ever newgrounds parody
I’m almost certain Thunderbean got hit by Disney’s copyright ninjas and are just trying to cover themselves. I totally believe the Disney company would do something this petty.
Why are so many people willing to be screwed over by this company (waiting 2 years for any product is not okay - why wouldn't you issue a chargeback and claim for that?)? They need to be held accountable
Gawd damn you Jorge, I blame you
I’m crying at the questioning tone in the pronunciation in mausoleum
I still want that Mickey/Minnie Mouse NSFW video that Walt was very upset about to be found. But He most likely destroyed all the copies. I hope someone saved one lol.
That's something that has never shown up, in all these years. I don't know of a single collector who's seen anything like that one.
@@stevestanchfield8491 It could be fake, but I thought Dexter's Rude Removal was fake too, but it wasn't.
God. It makes no sense that anyone would "cancel" the artist for the use of racist imagery in a short released 60 years ago as a parody of images and critisim of disney. The intent is pretty clear there, to highlight the racist past of uncle walt and his cartoon studio.