How Close to Failure Should You Train For Muscle Growth?

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  • @vikingthedude
    @vikingthedude 2 года назад +70

    I love how you immediately get to the point as soon as the video begins

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +16

      Yes, I have been trying to get to the useful information as soon as possible 👍

  • @lou6871
    @lou6871 2 года назад +19

    How do you not have more subs? This is one of the best, straight to the point, well articulated, and insightful channels on the various subjects in regards to lifting …. Wow man

  • @supermuscle883
    @supermuscle883 2 года назад +16

    I want to really thank you for all your work done in this channel. You deserve a loooot more subscribers. Thank you again.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +2

      No problem, glad you enjoy the content 👍

    • @KenanTurkiye
      @KenanTurkiye 2 года назад +1

      I think he's going to get it, I can hear the roar of the crowd from a distance, just some time. :)

  • @martijn2246
    @martijn2246 Год назад +29

    I cannot stay away from failure, I always feel like I have to push it

    • @Chilli_Tea
      @Chilli_Tea 11 месяцев назад

      is there any point in counting reps if you take your sets to failure? srs question

    • @Genga816
      @Genga816 11 месяцев назад +3

      Yea because you can still use it as progressive overload, or rather to see if you're getting stronger @@Chilli_Tea

    • @kaiserfakinaway5909
      @kaiserfakinaway5909 9 месяцев назад

      based answer and I completely feel you my dude, failure feels so good

  • @LB_RS6
    @LB_RS6 2 года назад +6

    Great video, this channel is pure quality!

  • @zapador
    @zapador Год назад

    Easily among the very best "education channels" on RUclips, regardless of topic. Well done! And thank you!

  • @StuffOffYouStuff
    @StuffOffYouStuff Год назад +1

    Where did you learn to present? The speaking, the info-graphics and the information are all absolutely crystal clear!

  • @AnjeMae
    @AnjeMae Год назад +1

    great content! I have been binge watching all your videos and taking notes as I go. The vids are really helpful for beginners like me. I have learnt a lot so just wanna say thanks

  • @Lt-no4sy
    @Lt-no4sy 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Flow, thanks for your awesome videos. I love how you keep things relevant while tying into the actual research. Outstanding work.
    I would be interested in a video about multidisciplinary training. I've done some reading through different armed forces, and there appears to be okay documentation, but I've never seen a funded institutional analysis on the subject. What does optimally training for multidisciplinary fitness really look like? What is the best training methodology? How do you sustain maximal strength, endurance, speed, and recovery across a longer period of activity? Such as on the scale of a week, where you may maximally push one muscle group, perform multiple speed based tasks, and do a half marathon carrying weight?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  7 месяцев назад

      Hi!
      This is a very difficult question to answer, because it depends on your specific goal, and will look different for everyone. I am currently working on a video on how to combine multiple different training goals which should be useful 👍

  • @franciscobello8348
    @franciscobello8348 2 года назад +4

    considero que es mera casualidad esto JAJAJAJAJA, amigo estaba pensando esta mañana en cuál es la mínima intensidad de esfuerzo que se debe aplicar para la ganancia de masa muscular y justo subes este vídeo, un grande. Muchas gracias xD

  • @dominicdelima2180
    @dominicdelima2180 2 года назад

    i clicked the video thinking it has 10 million views, just now realized it's only 10k man, really good video, you're definetly gonna grow up if you keep going

  • @dysxleic4273
    @dysxleic4273 2 года назад

    You are THE best channel for lifting information

  • @raphaelwinkler2828
    @raphaelwinkler2828 2 года назад +1

    this video is insanely good value

  • @bobnoxious719
    @bobnoxious719 2 года назад +9

    Like a few others here, I'm old, 57, and don't recover like I once did. Along with my job and household work ( inside and out ), it all plays on one's recovery. I've been adjusting my workout schedule so as not to beat myself up. I believe that I've hit systemic fatigue a few times as I could barely get off the couch and felt almost sick. That being said, your thoughts if you would please. I'm working out 3 days in a row ( 1. back, shoulders, tris; 2. legs, forearms; 3. chest, shoulders, tris. ) Then taking 2 days off and repeating. Every muscle group gets hit at least twice with 5 days between them and each exercise done gets last set, 1 working set, to failure. Your thoughts on such a schedule? I know it's whatever works and at least I'm exercising but curious what you might say. Haven't seen you in a while, nice to see you back.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +7

      I think this schedule sounds solid. I generally recommend hitting each muscle at least 2x / week with whatever split suits your lifestyle. Obviously, I don't have enough context to make any further recommendations 👍

    • @billybriscoejr.4322
      @billybriscoejr.4322 2 года назад +3

      I hear you, I'm 57 and I've been working on my Total Gym Machine here at home for 10 Months now.

    • @mihailmilev9909
      @mihailmilev9909 2 года назад

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 hey glad to see u back too man

    • @stevewise1656
      @stevewise1656 Год назад +1

      I'm the same age and been training for 45 years and did compete and trained more people than I could possibly count decades ago.
      Like you, I have a life that includes a wife, children, a business and everything else that we adults must manage. So, your schedule sounds perfectly fine for someone 57 or younger. I don't know anyone who trains muscle groups more than twice within five days. Even guys on shitloads of juice train far too often with high volume sets over six days. Lastly, the most important thing at this age is training intelligently so not to injure ourselves and do longer term bone and connective tissue damage. Joint preservation comes first. If you're feeling great about your next session, then you're fine. If you're suffering systemic/CNS fatigue, take a week or two off and reassess your training. More sets aren't necessarily better. I'm not the channel moderator, though hopefully this helps.

  • @G.Bfit.93
    @G.Bfit.93 Месяц назад

    For me it depends on the exercise and the situation.
    If I'm doing an exercise like barbell incline bench and I do not have a spotter I will leave maybe one rep in the tank but usually push until I get my last clean rep so 1RIR or 0RIR. But if it's an exercise like incline dumbbell presses or incline machine presses then I'll push to failure. I'll even push the incline barbell presses to failure if I have a good spotter. Also if I'm doing incline barbell presses without a spotter I'll usually super set it with an exercise that I can push to failure like incline flyes. Makes the workouts more fun and makes progress more consistent and trackable.
    Effort is the cornerstone of effective training. Once your effort is dialed in then you can modify your frequency and volume accordingly.

  • @georgesarreas5509
    @georgesarreas5509 2 года назад +2

    The mental fatigue is really something you get used to. Sort of like the runners' wall. I find Myo reps or rest pause (where every mini set is to failure much harder than failure with straight sets. Machines and dumbbells are also better candidates for failure training. I even train deadlifts to failure. Pretty much everything except BB squat and BB bench (and it's incline BB variations) but I have failed squats so many times I would do it more frequently if I had a proper rack and not a squat stand.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад

      Interesting, I haven't tried training to true failure frequently enough to get used to it. But yes, I agree that it is more feasible to train to failure using dumbbells and machines compared with barbell lifts 💪

  • @ChrisPEDog
    @ChrisPEDog 2 года назад +8

    Great video :) I really appreciate your content.
    Over the last year I trained like an idiot chasing progression with more and more weight. I had a rir of 0 within every set and every exercise.
    Now my body is burned down and I needed to take break from training to let go the muscle soreness that kept up to 10 days in the chest for example.
    I now try to stick to 2 rir at least with every exercise to prevent the excessive fatigue again.
    Here is my question: how can I still maintain progressive overload when I try to stop 2 reps before failure?
    Greetings from Germany :)

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +2

      this video should help with your question on progressive overload ruclips.net/video/DJ_Ttwl6z5g/видео.html

    • @EinSofQuester
      @EinSofQuester 2 года назад +1

      The idea of keeping reps in reserve is such a blasphemous and utterly vile idea to me that I shudder at the thought.

  • @Spork888
    @Spork888 2 года назад +1

    Hi. I am starting my fitness journey from sedentary lifestyle + overweight. Your videos seem very concise and focused on science.
    My question is, do you keep the playlists on your channel updated? I wanted to use them to take notes.

  • @gurbydhar
    @gurbydhar 2 года назад +3

    Masterclass of failure 👍

  • @gurbydhar
    @gurbydhar 2 года назад +4

    To summarise:(my thoughts only not of video): don't train to failure
    -More reps in tank you can do higher volumes which is more likely to give you better hypertrophy.
    - less stress systemic and on the joint.
    - better for beginners n intermediate as elite group are just 0.5 percent they can go train to failure.
    - equal returns from training not to failure than to train till failure which slightly favours training till failure but at what cost?
    - long term health benefits of not training to failure greatly outweighs training to failure.
    - still one should still go close to failure but not always go reach failure and still make lots of gains

  • @edies7607
    @edies7607 Год назад

    Thank you..great information

  • @wayneroberts884
    @wayneroberts884 Год назад +1

    I think the need to consider age and training to failure. As a 60 yr old, I am very careful not injure myself as recovery time will eliminate any potential gains of training to failure, my 2 cents.

  • @kobemop
    @kobemop Год назад +2

    Kind of weird, but when I train to failure (I get stronger from it I don't know why).

  • @reconteam91
    @reconteam91 2 года назад +1

    Great content as always! One question though, is changing the tempo of the lift considered a 0 RIR move? Meaning you still have strict form but instead of constant movement in previous reps you have to pause 2-3 seconds in order to get the weight up. And this isn't for the last set, more like second to the last.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +3

      good question. Yes, I would consider this reaching failure. This also starts to fall into the category of metabolite training 👍

    • @reconteam91
      @reconteam91 2 года назад +1

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 I appreciate your opinion, cheers!

  • @goombah7861
    @goombah7861 2 года назад

    AKA... THE "SUBCONSCIOUS" TRAINING PRINCIPLES BEHIND A "BRO-SPLIT".
    5 & 2... 💯 to failure...

  • @jgoldian47
    @jgoldian47 Год назад +1

    I firmly believe if training to failure with high intensity for hypertrophy you HAVE to rest at least 3-5 mins

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  Год назад

      Maybe this results in better growth, but you don't HAVE to rest 3-5 minutes 🤔

  • @sergejstojanovic2518
    @sergejstojanovic2518 2 года назад +1

    11:20 how long does this guy need to train to get bigger legs?

  • @mtrout3394
    @mtrout3394 2 года назад

    Apologies...me again. Two thoughts.
    First is 'rate codeing'. To keep consistent velocity means keeping well short of failure. Developing neural efficiency at cost of hypertrophy?
    Second thought is 'risk Vs reward' of pushing to failure. Reward is maximal fibre recruitment and risk is global systemic fatigue and hugely increased risk of injury. Sometimes "smarter" is more effective than "harder". Training uninterrupted at 80% efficacy for 12 months will be better than training at 100% for 2 months and then out for long term injury.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +1

      1. Yes, for strength training it may be beneficial to stay slightly shy of failure
      2. Yes, there is a risk vs reward here. You may provide a better short-term stimulus by training to failure, but the long-term stimulus may be better from staying slightly further from failure 👍

  • @danielstoica3489
    @danielstoica3489 2 года назад

    Beautiful!!!

  • @oedfergrefg9702
    @oedfergrefg9702 2 года назад +1

    should we need periodiaze reps in reserve in meso?

    • @ST3FF3
      @ST3FF3 2 года назад +2

      Probably not. We should avoid any unnecessary complexity in programming to focus on the things that really matter.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +3

      You can, but it is not essential 👍

  • @pandemos4205
    @pandemos4205 Год назад

    This should be taught in gym classes across the nation

  • @MEr-oq9wb
    @MEr-oq9wb 3 месяца назад

    Hey, first of all you make amazing content! I’m not sure if I am the only woman in the comments and if this was asked already but I’ve been training with what most men would consider low weights. My reps are usually around 10-12 and I keep pushing during each set to perform the same number of reps, although during the last set I usually train until I cannot perform another rep which happens around 8 reps. My question is, because men and women are biologically different, would I benefit more from 0 RIR or should I be focusing on 2 RIR? (since I lift much lower than men) Thanks in advance if you get to read and answer my question :)

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  3 месяца назад +1

      Hi! I don't see a reason why women would respond differently with regards to how close they train to failure. So I would recommend taking each set close to failure, but the exact RIR should be adjusted based on the exercise you are performing 👍

    • @MEr-oq9wb
      @MEr-oq9wb 3 месяца назад

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 okayy, thank you so much!

  • @nighthawk244
    @nighthawk244 Год назад +1

    Random question, but why did you decide to focus on muscle hypertrophy instead of strength? with how informative and beneficial your videos are, I would think your content would focus on the more practical side of lifting with strength, instead of hypertrophy which to me seems more about appearance and isn't as useful.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  Год назад +2

      Hypertrophy training is more of a personal interest than strength training. Also, I think hypertrophy training is more relevant to the majority of the population compared with strength training. I'd say improving body composition is more important for health too 👍

  • @MrBonga2010
    @MrBonga2010 Год назад

    Brilliant

  • @johnmrg243
    @johnmrg243 2 года назад

    Where can I find these researches??

  • @bigg1103
    @bigg1103 2 года назад

    This is amazing info can you tell me where I can get more studies like this in text ?

  • @centagus8797
    @centagus8797 Год назад

    Thanks for this useful information, I was just wondering how can I get abs in 30 minutes as fast as possible?

  • @ahmetsahin4376
    @ahmetsahin4376 Год назад

    One thing ive never understood. Should i go to failure on every set of forexample DB benchpress? Because when i do so i see little to no progress what so ever. Please help

  • @aodoemela
    @aodoemela 2 года назад +1

    Not sure this criteria is iron clad. Let's say you went for a 1rm, and fail it. You haven't necessarily gone to muscular failure you just failed the rep. I feel like there are different types of failure, so neural and muscular, so if it's neural you are mentally fatigued and can no longer exert maximal effort or if it's muscular you are mentally fresh but perhaps your muscles physically don't have the ATP or something else that makes you physically unable to do the rep. Guess there could be technical failures especially on this like cleans and snatches where you fail a rep because of form but can still do more.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад

      Yes, these are all good points. However, this definition was specifically relating to the context of hypertrophy-style training - not strength or performance training 👍

  • @salahelmackawi7971
    @salahelmackawi7971 2 года назад

    Hi Peter,
    On push day I start my workout with Barbell bench press in 6-10 rep range and i am doing this exercise since long time and I am an intermediate lifter.
    In this case is better to do it within 3-4 Rir or 2-3 rir
    What do you suggest?

  • @neiljohnson7914
    @neiljohnson7914 2 года назад

    I completely disagree with point number 3, the strict technique restriction. I do agree that you must perform reps with strict technique until you cannot physically perform another full rep. But once you reach that point then you should go beyond strict technique failure by doing some cheat reps, or drop sets or forced reps with the help of a training partner.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад

      good point here. Yes, I say that this stumbles into the category of metabolite training techniques, rather than traditions straight sets 👍

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 года назад

      Drop sets are still strict technique

    • @EinSofQuester
      @EinSofQuester 2 года назад

      @@soonahero True. But cheat reps are not. For example, when I do bicep curls, after I reach absolute physical failure, I heave the dumbbells up to my shoulders using momentum and then do a few slow negative curls.

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 года назад

      @@EinSofQuester just use drop sets instead of cheating

    • @EinSofQuester
      @EinSofQuester 2 года назад

      @@soonahero sometimes it takes too long to shift to a lighter dumbbell. Cheating is more fluid.

  • @mtrout3394
    @mtrout3394 2 года назад +2

    If you push to failure on a large (or total) portion of the session, what's the effect on CNS?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +9

      Good question. This is a tricky one to answer because 'CNS fatigue' is a very misunderstood topic. Training to failure is inherently more fatiguing via multiple mechanisms, but we can't say for certain that it induced greater CNS fatigue. I plan on making a video on this topic at some point 👍

    • @mtrout3394
      @mtrout3394 2 года назад +1

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 thanks for the reply. It's something that there seems to be not much information about. Having suffered what I think was CNS crash previously I'm keen to learn more so a video from you would be very much appreciated

  • @dmitripisartchik1296
    @dmitripisartchik1296 5 месяцев назад

    Consistency should be your limiting factor - never train so hard that it will prevent you from coming back and doing it again and again and again.

  • @thatoneuser8600
    @thatoneuser8600 Год назад

    I've been taking every single set to failure even though I'm a novice 🤦‍♂Sucks to know I could've been making far better gains, but better late than never :)

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  Год назад +1

      I dont think you will make better gains by training further from failure. It may just make your sessions less fatiguing 👍

    • @figmentcocktail3607
      @figmentcocktail3607 Год назад +1

      Lmao same, been hitting 0-1 RIR on most exercises with a high volume program, which explains the mental fog and recovery problems with legs 💀 videos like this are an informational goldmine

  • @thehitman06
    @thehitman06 2 года назад

    How about training for power and speed ? Should failure be avoided sir ?

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад

      for speed & power, quality is key. training to failure is probably not ideal 👍

    • @thehitman06
      @thehitman06 2 года назад

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 thank you so much, and if you can do more videos about athletic performance like speed, strength and power we will be very happy sir 🙏

  • @markovasil1608
    @markovasil1608 Год назад +1

    Train to failure if you want to be big!!!

  • @MRS320able
    @MRS320able 2 года назад +2

    Yep failure is the target went on a 2 months trip near a park did calastanic 3 days a week n didn't lose my gains from lifting fr 3 year's fr legs did single leg rdls n Bulgarian split squats fr back chin n pull ups n body weight rows fr chest dips n push ups with ur feet up did lose a bit in legs but didn't notice any in upper body back at the gym I've only lost 30% of strength

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +1

      Nice, great to hear that you were able to maintain most of your gains with minimal training 👍

    • @Waseemmmm
      @Waseemmmm 2 года назад +1

      Fr

  • @Highcaloriegrappling
    @Highcaloriegrappling 2 года назад +1

    There's way too much emphasis placed on training to failure. In every other athletic endeavor training to failure is minimized and use sparingly. For some reason weight lifting has it ass backwards. The greatest bodybuilding heros and powerlifting gods, rarely if ever trained to failure. But some IG influencer thinks it's a good idea so everyone goes that way.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +1

      Yes, I don't think it is mandatory to train to failure

    • @nboss968
      @nboss968 Год назад

      Hypertrophy training is for structural changes. Strength training is for performance.

  • @Schniebel89
    @Schniebel89 Год назад

    I train only to faliure to move a muscle on the next day.

  • @umadbro4493
    @umadbro4493 Год назад

    "testosterone is thought to be anabolic" = "the earth is thought to be spherical"

  • @vasilli3273
    @vasilli3273 Год назад +1

    kafayi yiyorum

  • @honorarymancunian7433
    @honorarymancunian7433 2 года назад

    Velocity loss

  • @neiljohnson7914
    @neiljohnson7914 2 года назад +1

    The idea of keeping reps in reserve (stopping before complete physical failure) is such a blasphemous and utterly vile idea to me that I shudder at the thought.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +3

      wow, you have a very strong reaction to this thought, maybe you should see a medical professional?

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 года назад +1

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 wow, you have a very strong reaction to this critisicism, maybe you should see a medical professional?

    • @neiljohnson7914
      @neiljohnson7914 2 года назад

      @@FlowHighPerformance1 name one bodybuilder who has ever kept all sets of a workout at below total failure.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  2 года назад +3

      I'm not a bodybuilding fan, but I believe Jay Cutler stated that he never trains to failure..... On the natural side of bodybuilding (more relevant to most of us) most intelligent lifters don't go to complete failure very often

    • @soonahero
      @soonahero 2 года назад

      @@neiljohnson7914 actual failure is rhabdo

  • @bacawaka2813
    @bacawaka2813 Год назад

    The one thing to note that the isolation after the big compounds are supposed to the icing on the cake so going into them fatigued is fine because you conducted the of the muscle building work ahead of time.
    Some RIR or RPE programs tends to underestimate what you can do for a given workout. I have done programs to do X rep, Y sets, for percentage of ORM, for RPE of Z and I have been able to do more than double those rep if I pushed it a little.

    • @FlowHighPerformance1
      @FlowHighPerformance1  Год назад

      Agreed. I think the most important thing is to take each set close to failure. The load and reps used are less important 👍