Im tje middle of writing a script about this and yep, we too focused on difdy and not thinking about the totality of the system that allowed him to exist
They wanna make this about being gay. It's actually disgusting and disturbing to see the trend. But I hope you can also talk about how Kendrick is complicit in that: i.e. talking about spiritual degeneracy and the family linking it to Drake's gender violence. This shit is going a really conservative direction and no victims are seeing justice.
@@anansi6344 How anyone can believe a man being bisexual or homosexual is worse or making mockery of it than this same man SA'ing men , women and children is extremely disturbing
@@anansi6344 I don't think Kendrick means homosexuality when he talks about the spiritual degeneration of the family, I think he means people not holding their families sacred. After The Auntie Diaries I just can't read homophobia into his words, he's made his position as clear as possible.
lol I've been spreading the word of El-P since the 90s too. And I was creeped out by the Diddler for just as long. Just the easy he like at the camera in his videos like he's about to slip something into the viewer's drink 👀 Like, c'mon people, stop being entertained by these predators.
We need to listen to women more. I’ve seen so many opinion pieces on the Drake vs Kendrick beef from men but it’s mainly the ladies and other folks that provide hours of evidence of his creepiness.
Can't tell you how much it sucks to be a straight woman and how men are almost without exception failing us at best. Y'all have refused to hear us or care. Listen to women. Especially disabled women.
I literally recall a man stating, "what do you know, you're a woman", when it came to that beef and rap in general. Ha to educate his ass on all the rap think pieces that's BEEN littered on RUclips.
This man, Sean Combs, built his empire on the back of another man, Christopher Wallace, who rapped about raping women, men, and children, and committing acts of violence against women. Now one of them, Combs, is accused of committing similar acts. We all just danced to the other guy, Wallace, when he was saying that foul shit. It was "okay" because that's some "street dude" shit. I've sat around with "street dudes" who joked and laughed about sticking guns up dudes asses. Not as a concept. But as something they had done the night before. We let too much slide. We let it slide in the music. We let it slide in the neighborhood. Yes, the De La's and the Jeru's "warned us." But as a community we let it slide. I dig that you're bringing it back to 'The Chronic'. I wrote an article for Okayplayer a decade or more ago about how 'The Chronic' and Bad Boy were the one-two punch that made "street dude" shit Pop music. The Diddy case is the culmination of that shit. But it's long past time we have a reckoning with the lyrical content and the images and personas that are presented in our art.
Well said , all that rap was bragging about sex trafficking including grooming minors but they were "hits" and everyone let it slide And because Biggie was killed we gave him sympathy So people like Sean Combs got away with a lot of this and it's not like he was hiding it as you said he bragged about it in his songs and in interviews His Conan O'Brien interview especially where he attempted to assault Conan who rightfully called him out , took his mic to the point Conan said he was scared and the whole audience laughed throughout What does it say about us when we have men who abused women, men and kids in our top ten best rappers lists ??
@@Chuck_EL Let the record show that "everyone" did NOT let it slide. C. Delores Tucker spoke out. Tipper Gore spoke out. Ashley Judd spoke out. They were ignored, mocked, ridiculed. But they spoke out anyway.
we don’t talk about victims because we’d have to admit some fundamental truths about how America works. if you can follow the train of thought to see how and why vulnerabilities are created and then exploited in order to ensure a steady supply of lives for the taking, the logical conclusion also pushes people to the limits of their imagination. it’s intertwined with abolition, with workers rights and reproductive rights, with indigenous sovereignty, with food security and housing rights… none of which are easy concepts to discuss when you’re in survival mode. i do think that art can be part of that switch to get folks away from numbing out and keeping their heads down. there is something that speaks directly to people’s hearts when a message is communicated thru art. it’s hard to say what will hit and when, though
It really does upset me how comfortable people are with clowning Meek Mill’s perceived sexuality. And no one with a major voice is saying anything about it.
I agree, and what's baffling to me when it comes to Diddy is, people are more concerned about the baby oil (which more than likely drugs were concealed in), his sexuality, and the freak-offs rather than the fact that he was a predator, abuser, trafficker (among other things). That should be the concern. The fact that he was taking advantage of people.
@@micol7490they think he’s gay because he acts a bit zesty. As if people should think, move, talk, and act binary like a robot. Been a rumor for a while
@@micol7490 This is a serious issue when it comes to black men Look at Terry Crews he was mocked for being SA'd , as was Usher, Meek Mill and Sean Combs' other victim Howard Stern and Robin was laughing at usher literally speaking on being groomed by Sean Combs and SA'd by Robin being a black woman should been ashamed of herself
capitalism holds humanity in a trance and it's a fatal condition. the only thing that keeps me sane is living on my own terms as much as i can. opting out. anti-materialism. living within my means. this means i don't enjoy all the spoils of capitalism but, it also means i don't have to die pursuing them. i just try to step on as few others as possible on my way thru this life. anyway i don't fit into that version of the world, i don't have the inner drive to chase money and stuff. i'm incapable of faking it, though life would surely be easier if i could. as a woman the thing that upsets me the most wrt people like diddy and every other vile rapist is how many other men know, witness things and let it happen.
Agree with everything you're saying! Also, capitalism is a wholly individualistic pursuit! It promotes the idea of "You vs The World" and encourages society to step on each other to get that momentum towards the upper echelons of wealth. It actively encourages competitiveness in people where we're rewarded for stepping on each other and selling out/backstabbing each other for our own personal gain, then justifies it by reasoning that "you're just taking what's rightfully yours" and "you're being pro-active instead of sitting around waiting for a hand out", and capitalists repeat this rhetoric and it seeps into all aspects of our life that we isolate ourselves from our communities so when something like this happens, we're more likely to say, "Well so what? What does that have to do with me?" and they're not interested in listening to let alone helping their community.
People just don’t wanna care about other people and it fucking sucks. How long are we gonna have to keep insisting that people should give a shit before it’s too goddamn late??
We will call them "Crazy" or "Clout chasers" to profit off these victim's pain Then once they're seen as telling the truth, we all of sudden "Always knew" while STILL profiting off their pain Repeat it all over again
Ppl die everyday under way worse circumstances. Why the #### would I care about an entertainer more than a plumber's daughter? Go walk around your neigborhood, creeps are abound and plenty.
Folks be distracted. Open secrets from wealthy folks, is a distraction... There's lots of people who speak up about injustices, then what? Ya'll folks need to step up and show up, and support the whistleblowers. People are delusional and distracted, and not focused on real folks being harmed. Step up. ✌🏽
It’s been trained out of us through a constant psychological bombardment of endless horrors from horrific events like school shootings and all sorts of other terrible tragedies that we’ve basically been prevented entirely from doing anything about in any meaningful way, since any legitimate popular representation or any sort of benevolent political will has been completely eradicated from our society by the people who benefit from everything being this way long ago.
@@jomo3255 Airhead thought right there, anybody who liked it is a clown. 😂 Yeah dude, it’ll save everyone, just get LITERALLY EVERY PERSON in the country to meditate and we’ll fix everything. Good job.
@@jomo3255 Like I bet all those kids wouldn’t have gotten shot, all those people wouldn’t have died of covid, all those wars would never have started even though Buddhist states have literally used the “just war” argument exactly like the Christians who started the illegal “War on Terror”, etc. New age bullshit is so tiresome. Talk about useless.
IMO the fact their album before that Buhloone Mindstate an arty, creative genre bending experimental album was what hip-hop sort of rejected and moved away from was for me when the art side of rap began to fall away.
You cannot have this conversation without mentioning Delores Tucker. You cannot have this discussion without mentioning that by the 1980s White America totally controlled the music industry. Black art was created by black people for the consumption of black people, not for the consumption of white people. It was the language we spoke to each other. When black America had some control over our music, we created the music genre, we crossed over because white people consumed and liked our music, then white artists covered the music thereby making it an international sensation since white folks like black art as long as it's not created by black folk. Every generation after slavery created its own genre of music. By the 1980s, that phenomenon ceased to exist. Now White America decides what is music. Not Black America. These are just my reflections. I'm not a music theorist. I am a veteran of the canon wars. Have you ever considered looking at hip hop through the lens of critical race theory?
@@brekkoh So is Trump but 65 million hillbillies still voted for him. People be stupid and support anyone and everyone because they like what they say. Eminem is also on some boomer level bars and is washed overall. All these people with money the same.
I think issues need to come into peoples' immediate circle for them to listen. If it doesn't affect them or the ones around them, they don't care. But even if they do listen, they could be listening to the wrong people with the wrong solutions.
Well it comes back to the fact that we’re literally not allowed to try to do anything about anything in groups or, as history has taught us for generations, we’ll be gulaged, beaten or shot to death by the police, and nobody can do anything about anything major like that as just a single individual unless they turn into a mad gunman. So it’s kind of understandable why people treat things this way.
The shit was in music video 😂 it was rapped about in movies. Its literally apart of culture. Idk why people were shocked this happen. The only crazy part 1k baby oil 0 condoms 😂
@@CyrusIsnt Petroleum-based products are not compatible with latex rubbers. _If_ that oil was indeed used for the… _primary freaking,_ then it was likely used without protection.
Power doesn't change people, it _reveals_ them. NWA was a Boy Band. "People have been trying to have these conversations" "Shame about sexuality." Shame? or Fear? Because to Our knowledge the rampant homophobia (and misogyny) in Hip Hop/Rap (and Black Culture in general) is rarely, if ever addressed. Not even during the Halcyon days of Socially Conscious Rap.
I've liked that better than the "absolute power corrupts absolutely" belief since I've heard it. I believe that someone holding power can do amazing things, it's just a lot of people that get it shouldn't, and the people that can do good are rarely in positions to make a positive difference for the most deserving.
Your words about the meritocracy of hip-hop and how empowering it was reminded me of Steinski’s words about the birth of hip-hop back in the day. About how, back then, you’d see punks at the rap shows. As both were born from people wanting to take a little bit of control of their life, of the arts, etc. T La Rock was right, it really is yours (for the taking).
It's interesting how these kinds of things happen when people attain an exorbitant amount of power. Questioning that power is a monumental task, as there are a lot of people involved in keeping that power in place. You have diddy, then you have all of the men and women who continued to keep that power in its place. They are also a part of that power, so they also dont want theirs diminished. This can be extended to politics, irrespective of a specific party, where you see people bending, abusing, and wrestling to keep their power or acquire power. A friend of mine worked for Tom Cotton in the mid 10s and she said "the common thing that i saw among politicians, democrat, republican, libertarian, etc. Are the lengths they're willing to go to attain power and influence. To piggy back on the points about anti establishment music, that barely exists anymore. Even the people who were once anti-establishment (rage against the machine, for example) eventually became a supporter of that establishment. And i guess, thats the end road of fishing for particular ideals. If you achieve what you want, you eventually become the establishment. Only to now have something formed thats anti you. Lol
The reality is the industry adapted to what you and many others felt about this type of art and they put people like Diddy in place to gatekeep people from platforms that are profitable, often trapping those within into said industry as forever pawns. You were THE rapper that made me realize there's a group of people that aren't attached and I will always appreciate you and the people that do this but because of you it's made it incredibly easy to discern.
13:56 yeah that's describing ideological hegemony pretty well (the universalization of "the way things are" to "the way things must be / have always been")
It feels encouraging to see people like FD Signifier and a lot of the channels he helps platform and collaborates with gain a larger cultural foothold. They seem to present a good forum and format for these conversations and there may be opportunity for more collaboration with artists to platform and encourage these difficult conversations.
It’s also not a coincidence that black and brown people are taking charge of this type of content either. Whites on the internet are too content brained because nothing affects them to the level that it does us.
@@Ason19 if we divided everyone based on their personal take on Attack on Titan I wonder if we’d have as clear a line on “smart/stupid” as you think. Also, I think Cowboy Bebop would give you a cleaner result. Lastly, disregarding someone entirely based on one factor is quite fascist.
Everyone’s going to give the wrong answer. So I’ll give y’all the truth: All they did was make the suffering of others entertaining enough for the average person to care Forget all the rape & abuse, look at this baby oil & gay jokes! Your viewers, the commenters, the everyday human on planet Earth is completely apathetic towards the pain & suffering inflicted by powerful people in this world They need to be giving talking points (baby oil), idols to worship (50 Cent), & victims with pain to co-opt (Cassie) A decades long sex trafficking organization has been reduced to jokes & memes within a matter of months. Piles of victims who’s path to justice will be lost in a sea of regurgitated memes & bot comments And the cycle will continue. Right now one of y’all faves is actively harming others in their empires & there will be no public discourse about it until the media learns how to mutually benefit from the conflict
@@littlefoxglove276 the replies are right. There are waay more sick ppl under your nose and around you right now, but ppl around the world are expected to give more than a glance to sick entertainers and their escapades?? We don't really care and we should not care. The only ppl that should care are the victims, their families and the court of law. Everyone else is watching a public execution and that is where it should stop.
it’s bc it was gay and and men were violated that the general public began to care. women and fems alike are violated and silenced sooooo often so once it happens to men who are particularly masculine, who normally dictate how these conversations go, that’s what garners the attention.
??? Why do you think the Drake beef got as big as it did? A big part of that beef before Kendrick dropped Meet The Grahams was Drake's treatment of women, both adults and underage.
@@onemorescoutonly was taken more seriously until another powerful man called it out. Women are often silenced or not taken seriously when it comes to calling out these kind of behaviors.
male victims of sexual assault are a punchline to a lot of people, i think the fact that the gayness got people’s attention is true but it’s not because they care about male victims, it’s because they don’t like gay people. The gayness offends them more than the rape.
This… just doesn’t seem true to me. You don’t think it was Cassie that opened the floodgates? Look at how people tend to respond to men who are victims. NO ONE takes men who are victims of sexual violence seriously. I know because I am a victim of sexual violence.
@@CharlieTooHumando you not see how folks treat victims who are men? Look at how 50 and many others responded to Michael Rainey Jr. What are you talking about?
As a yt dude born and raised in Wisconsin. Even we talked about it on the school yard in the early 2000s. Rummor of him offing Pac been around since the day it happened, and if you were a fan of hiphop, you heard the rumors, and you joked about all the gay ish. But as we grew older, those of us who knew, realized just how sick all the stuff we heard about were. People just dont listen when you speak ill of their idols.
Before Cassie, everyone who tried to tell the truth about Diddy was labeled “crazy”. And it goes even deeper than that. Sean Combs had a long history of doing his artists dirty in the long run. Ma$e, Black Rob (R.I.P.), Shyne, The LOX, Craig Mack (R.I.P.), and others. Diddy didn’t do anything for Black Rob when he was hospitalized for kidney failure, and he only paid for his funeral due to public outcry. Shyne did 10 years to cover Diddy’s crime (the shooting), and he got tossed aside like he was old news; he had to take his rebirth into his own hands and do positive work in Belize to get past all that. The LOX dodged a huge bullet leaving Bad Boy for Ruff Ryders; they made their own name and got the Key To The City in Yonkers for all their hard work. And Craig Mack? Dude was able to put his struggle and revival in his own words before his passing. Look up Craig Mack’s interviews on RUclips. Any mogul who does his artists dirty like that is capable of a LOT more.
Man. This is a really good analysis. I've always felt that rap/hip-hop had two factions as well. There was always a punk rock vibe with the anti-establishment messaging (public enemy, etc.), and an arena rock vibe which upheld the idea of a capitalistic excessiveness. Rock had their dialectic in the 80's and Rap had its time in the 90's. When it comes to music generally, I like music with balance. I tend to favor artists and bands with mixed elements. For some reason, it feels cutting edge to me. It usually boils down to having and arena sound with punk lyricism. A good rock example of this is the band IDLES. Their "post-punk" sound steals the heavy arena rock noise and gives it lyrics that undermines the extravagance of capitalistic institutions that make it sound awesome in the first place. It's pretty wild. When it comes to the examples you've used in Kendrick and J. Cole, I think they've sort of done something similar. It feels wrong to call their music "post-rap" or whatever, but I also feel like they've created a sub-genre within hip-hop that uses mass appeal sound to deliver a more or less conscious message to their audience. Sorry for the ramble, but I think you're 100% right and just wanted to share my own thoughts a little bit. Great stuff and thank you.
It takes fighting and endless people being driven into the margins by people refusing to listen, screaming over and over and over and over by countless people, and thousands of hours, tens of thousands, years and years and years of long hours of thankless hard work to get people to listen
Damn, very thoughtful video Love to hear from someone who grew up in the 90s that’s “alt” for lack of better word. It’s definitely incredibly frustrating that Americans still are struggling to organize for their rights and of those most at risk of violence while those in power are very well organized; there have been a lot of victories whether it’s teamsters on the workers’ rights front or even the Me Too movement but I feel you on how it still feels like the real conversations on how society needs to be managed is non existent. I can imagine seeing hiphop devolve so to speak was hard while also being an artist within it yourself; peace and love, continue to do what you can
While I agree with the Chronic take, I still believe Jay Z was really the turning point. Especially since Jay was a big influence and writer on Chronic. Second, the word you were looking for was zeitgeist. Otherwise, well said.
Yuuup! And unfortunately, my (former) G.O.A.T, KRS-ONE just kept doubling down on defending him, saying he was above scrutiny 🤦🏻 fuuuck no! Not when it comes to children! That's when I was done with looking up to any artist or personality.
@@liuchaquan I remember his comments being so crazy at the time. He was in an interview making the point that Trump and Hillary were both accused of terrible things but were both still respected leaders who were both running for president at the time, and so hip hop's leaders should still be respected as such regardless of any terrible things they might have done. Aside from the validity of the accusations against either of them, his point was that hip hop should ignore the terrible things that it's leaders have done...on the basis that other societies also let their leaders get away with terrible things. I couldn't understand why anyone in his position would say such a thing - he literally had the power to say whether or not hip hop would hold itself to a higher standard or not, and he just said "no let's do what they do".
Bob marley managed to write songs that contain that political self empowerent aspect while also beeing listened to by the whole globe... so its not like only apolitcal hedonistic music can reach a global market .. maybe the problem was that alot of concious hip hop writing is just too convoluted ...everyone can sing all the words to Hustling by Rick Ross cause its so simple but only like a thousand people worldwide remember the lyrics to Kwelis get by , making the Capitalistim Anthem actually way more effective. of
Honestly why is j cole mentioned as a cultural or capitalistic critic at all? I feel like he usually dodges taking a stance on many issues. In fact, his song “snow on the bluff” made it pretty clear that he didn’t want to comment on systemic issues and he was mad at noname for even asking him to talk about it
Im longing for the day louis v, gucci, etc. all fall apart because somebody makes it lame and unoriginal. I don’t believe that where we’re at is the new permanent vision of hip hop.
If there's anyone that can talk about (without the hysterics) is mike. Cos while all this is fine and dandy. This is why even us Californians is scared of L.A and big wig culture. Cos this stuff has been around since i was a baby.
I agree that the elements being centered in The Chronic was the partying and feel-good vibe of it, but I'd argue that there were some elements of struggle being talked about in that record such as Lil' Ghetto Boy. I think the most worrying reality about that record is that the audience itself gravitated toward the feel-good elements of the music and left the core discourse on black struggle alone. All Nothin' but a G Thangs, No Lil' Ghetto Boys on people's playlists. Tupac gets the same treatment and he's one of the most radical figures in Hip-Hop; California Love is on everyone's playlists, but no 2Pacalypse Now. The music is a commodity, and folks don't want to be challenged by what entertains them.
No one in the industry will say anything because they all knew it was going on (and some even participated). It’s disappointing yet predictable that most people would use this situation as an excuse to get their jokes off and try and get laughs/engagement. What needs to be mentioned more is how, when the figures (who certainly knew how Diddy moved) with more influence and authority than Diddy, decided they wanted him gone, they swiftly got rid of him.
The economy is so dire and the powers that be preach such divisivness that it results in a lack of empathy. People aren't nessesarily money hungry and willing to stomp anyone in their way to make more, but they are poor and see very few ways to just struggle a little less and turn on their neighbors to make the smallest buck more than they were before. Props to F.D. Signfier for directing to this video, loved your music a long time but haven't sewn vids like this!
Art that asks you to look or think isn’t profitable, entertainment that numbs you is 😭 thanks for such a great video, this is where my brain wants to live
I have a question, as both a life long hip hop head and as a therapist: Is there a platform or a way, we can start to work together as a community to provide safe places to have these conversations?
It shouldn't be surprising. Everyone forgot Kobe is a rapist and now he's back to being everyone's hero like nothing happened. Hero worship is a funny thing.
I don't see really any people just not caring about the Kobe situation among people who talk hoops. A lot of people straight up don't believe it, but I don't think I've ever come across anyone who believes the allegations were true but doesn't care. A little bit of that does seem to happen with Karl Malone though.
@ogbmt it don't even come up in conversation though. Take Ray Lewis or Aaron Hernandez for example. If you mention either of them, one of the first things someone is going to say is "oh yeah, didn't he kill a guy?" You don't separate those two from the terrible things they did. That isn't the case with kobe. When he gets mentioned, you never hear someone say "oh yeah, didn't he rape that girl and then leak her name to the press so she got death threats and had to refuse to testify?" It don't come up. Because hero worship sucks.
@@ogbmt Men don't believe women and rape is prevalent. The reality is grim. The math doesn't math. I do not believe that these ppl care, they are deluding themselves. It is very rare for a man not to be complicit. These are the hard facts. Men must sort themselves and each other out, it is nobody elses responsibility. Period.
I really don’t know what you’re talking about people were making surviving diddy memes as soon as r Kelly got locked up I think people are just surprised with how bad the thing he did actually were
The whole thing with escapism is quite sensitive for me. I’ve been in a cult that said it’s always bad, but I know it’s not the case, yet too much of it will get us nowhere.
11:27 - 12:18 Speaking on "stock broker". For some of my fellow 40 somethings, do yall remember Boiler Room? A film about 20 somethings working in a pump and dump brokerage firm. Throughout the film, you would hear Hip Hop lyrics from the likes of Biggie, Beanie, Slick Rick etc.
its crazy to me that anyone can think hip hop is anywhere close to being over. hip hop is so much bigger than these abusive garbage people. hip hop is so much more than any group of people.
It’s a cold evil world. Morality, discipline, social accountability, social responsibility, sticking up for your beliefs, and justice are all important. But neglected. Entertainment is going from bad to worse, and people cannot think for themselves.
You're right about Public Enemy, etc. Looking back on it, record companies didn't know what to do with Jeru, KRS, PE, Black Sheep, even Tribe and De La. So they pulled the rug out and backed the artists that were the exact opposite. Hip hop never recovered, people forget there are powerful people with their thumbs on the scales
Mockery > acknowledgment > acceptance > change I learned about this step by step concept of change from a retired vegan activist, Gary Yourofsky ✨(check em out) I feel that we are between the stages of mockery and acknowledgment and some of us accept the reality we live in but very few have the intent and awareness needed to help change our reality to something better. I strongly agree that we as a society need to have a serious and honest conversation about our consideration and care towards empathizing with one another
On not finding victims, I think they found only one gun with a serial number removed. Who knows how many times a gun such as that was used and then tossed.
This is what happens when you ; a)live in a moral vacuum and b)celebrate and reward bad "boy" behaviour. Time to re watch Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes.
I'm not saying I disagree but I'm also not sure I agree if power changes people. I've heard money only makes you more of what you are. If you're generous with little money, you'll likely be generous with lots. Same if you're stingy with it. I'm really saying I don't know. Power and money can go together but they are different. The question I ask myself is it that power corrupts or the kind of people that obtain power are just not people of strong moral character
Maybe I’m speaking out of turn, but this resonates with me. I feel like the same commoditization hollowed out country music and rock - btw both genres that grew from black influences.
Hip hop is dying. The drugs and guns are killing it. Now that Diddy is out of the picture maybe it can be reborn healthier, stronger and free of the leeches that have covered its skin for decades.
9:19 idk why but everything before this put half of OutKast into context as commentary on the genre at the time. It's entirely unrelated to the topic, but damn okay.
im sorry, whats all the racket? im sorry it was me sir, riding im sorry bumpin 97 weezer, dont know all the sorry but i hit the keywords, im sorry but all my favorite tunes are from sorry it was me sir
as dark as these times are, I am hopeful the culture can change bringing new voices beyond the constraints of our system and those powers that prefer us to be divided and powerless in the face greed
I’m being really extreme here but….if ppl have been telling ppl who don’t listen (and they have bc I remember hearing abt this stuff w him and others in the 90’s), this confirms yet again to me that folks like to be lied to. I don’t know what to do with that but everything that is happening in the world rn tells me this.
Im tje middle of writing a script about this and yep, we too focused on difdy and not thinking about the totality of the system that allowed him to exist
They wanna make this about being gay. It's actually disgusting and disturbing to see the trend. But I hope you can also talk about how Kendrick is complicit in that: i.e. talking about spiritual degeneracy and the family linking it to Drake's gender violence. This shit is going a really conservative direction and no victims are seeing justice.
@@anansi6344 How anyone can believe a man being bisexual or homosexual is worse or making mockery of it than this same man SA'ing men , women and children is extremely disturbing
how high are you lmfao
Ayyy it's the Unc himself, that explains why this was top of the algo for me today
@@anansi6344 I don't think Kendrick means homosexuality when he talks about the spiritual degeneration of the family, I think he means people not holding their families sacred. After The Auntie Diaries I just can't read homophobia into his words, he's made his position as clear as possible.
I remember seeing footage of company flow where el-p was dissing diddy on stage live in 97!! it took too long!!
How does EL-P hold all his Ws nowadays? There’s so many of them at this point.
@@ImpendingRiot83 he was willing to say it when it was like a 💀 sentence
El-P's a real one. Most impactful (positively, at least) white rapper of all time.
@@RapsandRiffs
Everyone dissed these guys. "Shiny suit wearing mutha......"
lol I've been spreading the word of El-P since the 90s too. And I was creeped out by the Diddler for just as long. Just the easy he like at the camera in his videos like he's about to slip something into the viewer's drink 👀 Like, c'mon people, stop being entertained by these predators.
We need to listen to women more. I’ve seen so many opinion pieces on the Drake vs Kendrick beef from men but it’s mainly the ladies and other folks that provide hours of evidence of his creepiness.
Can't tell you how much it sucks to be a straight woman and how men are almost without exception failing us at best. Y'all have refused to hear us or care. Listen to women. Especially disabled women.
yes. thank you.
I literally recall a man stating, "what do you know, you're a woman", when it came to that beef and rap in general. Ha to educate his ass on all the rap think pieces that's BEEN littered on RUclips.
True…however with Combs it’s not really a “woman thing” since he is accused of victimizing both men and women
@@powderedtoastfacekillah734 he's unusual in the that. I expect things will be taken more seriously as a result
This man, Sean Combs, built his empire on the back of another man, Christopher Wallace, who rapped about raping women, men, and children, and committing acts of violence against women. Now one of them, Combs, is accused of committing similar acts. We all just danced to the other guy, Wallace, when he was saying that foul shit. It was "okay" because that's some "street dude" shit. I've sat around with "street dudes" who joked and laughed about sticking guns up dudes asses. Not as a concept. But as something they had done the night before. We let too much slide. We let it slide in the music. We let it slide in the neighborhood. Yes, the De La's and the Jeru's "warned us." But as a community we let it slide. I dig that you're bringing it back to 'The Chronic'. I wrote an article for Okayplayer a decade or more ago about how 'The Chronic' and Bad Boy were the one-two punch that made "street dude" shit Pop music. The Diddy case is the culmination of that shit. But it's long past time we have a reckoning with the lyrical content and the images and personas that are presented in our art.
Well said , all that rap was bragging about sex trafficking including grooming minors but they were "hits" and everyone let it slide
And because Biggie was killed we gave him sympathy
So people like Sean Combs got away with a lot of this and it's not like he was hiding it as you said he bragged about it in his songs and in interviews
His Conan O'Brien interview especially where he attempted to assault Conan who rightfully called him out , took his mic to the point Conan said he was scared and the whole audience laughed throughout
What does it say about us when we have men who abused women, men and kids in our top ten best rappers lists ??
@@Chuck_EL Let the record show that "everyone" did NOT let it slide.
C. Delores Tucker spoke out.
Tipper Gore spoke out.
Ashley Judd spoke out.
They were ignored, mocked, ridiculed.
But they spoke out anyway.
we don’t talk about victims because we’d have to admit some fundamental truths about how America works. if you can follow the train of thought to see how and why vulnerabilities are created and then exploited in order to ensure a steady supply of lives for the taking, the logical conclusion also pushes people to the limits of their imagination. it’s intertwined with abolition, with workers rights and reproductive rights, with indigenous sovereignty, with food security and housing rights… none of which are easy concepts to discuss when you’re in survival mode. i do think that art can be part of that switch to get folks away from numbing out and keeping their heads down. there is something that speaks directly to people’s hearts when a message is communicated thru art. it’s hard to say what will hit and when, though
Based
we're so invested in crime and punitive action against the abuser that we almost never address the needs of victims like nobody is checking for them.
It really does upset me how comfortable people are with clowning Meek Mill’s perceived sexuality. And no one with a major voice is saying anything about it.
I agree, and what's baffling to me when it comes to Diddy is, people are more concerned about the baby oil (which more than likely drugs were concealed in), his sexuality, and the freak-offs rather than the fact that he was a predator, abuser, trafficker (among other things). That should be the concern. The fact that he was taking advantage of people.
Wait, what's happend with Meek Mill? I think I haven't kept up with this part of the story... Why are people bullying him?
@@micol7490they think he’s gay because he acts a bit zesty. As if people should think, move, talk, and act binary like a robot. Been a rumor for a while
@@micol7490 This is a serious issue when it comes to black men
Look at Terry Crews he was mocked for being SA'd , as was Usher, Meek Mill and Sean Combs' other victim
Howard Stern and Robin was laughing at usher literally speaking on being groomed by Sean Combs and SA'd by
Robin being a black woman should been ashamed of herself
@@winnd44 thanks, so sad... It's crazy people are mobbing him...
capitalism holds humanity in a trance and it's a fatal condition.
the only thing that keeps me sane is living on my own terms as much as i can. opting out. anti-materialism. living within my means.
this means i don't enjoy all the spoils of capitalism but, it also means i don't have to die pursuing them. i just try to step on as few others as possible on my way thru this life.
anyway i don't fit into that version of the world, i don't have the inner drive to chase money and stuff. i'm incapable of faking it, though life would surely be easier if i could.
as a woman the thing that upsets me the most wrt people like diddy and every other vile rapist is how many other men know, witness things and let it happen.
Preach Sister. ❤
Very relatable. People have a way of trying to make you feel like it's a character flaw to not be desperate for status and possessions too.
Agree with everything you're saying! Also, capitalism is a wholly individualistic pursuit! It promotes the idea of "You vs The World" and encourages society to step on each other to get that momentum towards the upper echelons of wealth. It actively encourages competitiveness in people where we're rewarded for stepping on each other and selling out/backstabbing each other for our own personal gain, then justifies it by reasoning that "you're just taking what's rightfully yours" and "you're being pro-active instead of sitting around waiting for a hand out", and capitalists repeat this rhetoric and it seeps into all aspects of our life that we isolate ourselves from our communities so when something like this happens, we're more likely to say, "Well so what? What does that have to do with me?" and they're not interested in listening to let alone helping their community.
You are right every man or woman who knew and said or did nothing should be on trial with them. Lot of cowards.
The unfortunate truth is that the "bystanders" fancy themselves being the next Diddy when they achieve a position of power.
People just don’t wanna care about other people and it fucking sucks. How long are we gonna have to keep insisting that people should give a shit before it’s too goddamn late??
We will call them "Crazy" or "Clout chasers" to profit off these victim's pain
Then once they're seen as telling the truth, we all of sudden "Always knew" while STILL profiting off their pain
Repeat it all over again
Ppl die everyday under way worse circumstances. Why the #### would I care about an entertainer more than a plumber's daughter? Go walk around your neigborhood, creeps are abound and plenty.
Folks be distracted. Open secrets from wealthy folks, is a distraction... There's lots of people who speak up about injustices, then what? Ya'll folks need to step up and show up, and support the whistleblowers. People are delusional and distracted, and not focused on real folks being harmed. Step up. ✌🏽
We have NO EMPATHY in our society.
that's sad.
It’s been trained out of us through a constant psychological bombardment of endless horrors from horrific events like school shootings and all sorts of other terrible tragedies that we’ve basically been prevented entirely from doing anything about in any meaningful way, since any legitimate popular representation or any sort of benevolent political will has been completely eradicated from our society by the people who benefit from everything being this way long ago.
@@ImpendingRiot83 don't be a victim of your environment - just meditate.
@@jomo3255 Airhead thought right there, anybody who liked it is a clown. 😂
Yeah dude, it’ll save everyone, just get LITERALLY EVERY PERSON in the country to meditate and we’ll fix everything. Good job.
@@jomo3255 Like I bet all those kids wouldn’t have gotten shot, all those people wouldn’t have died of covid, all those wars would never have started even though Buddhist states have literally used the “just war” argument exactly like the Christians who started the illegal “War on Terror”, etc.
New age bullshit is so tiresome. Talk about useless.
What Diddy is doing is part of his "Sexuality" abuse is not a sexuality. It's a behavior.
Just wanna say De La Soul called this culture failing in "Stakes is high", they were so accurate in their predictions.
I had that tape on steady rotation for years! Probably why I didn't fall for all this BS
IMO the fact their album before that Buhloone Mindstate an arty, creative genre bending experimental album was what hip-hop sort of rejected and moved away from was for me when the art side of rap began to fall away.
You cannot have this conversation without mentioning Delores Tucker.
You cannot have this discussion without mentioning that by the 1980s White America totally controlled the music industry. Black art was created by black people for the consumption of black people, not for the consumption of white people. It was the language we spoke to each other. When black America had some control over our music, we created the music genre, we crossed over because white people consumed and liked our music, then white artists covered the music thereby making it an international sensation since white folks like black art as long as it's not created by black folk. Every generation after slavery created its own genre of music. By the 1980s, that phenomenon ceased to exist. Now White America decides what is music. Not Black America.
These are just my reflections. I'm not a music theorist. I am a veteran of the canon wars. Have you ever considered looking at hip hop through the lens of critical race theory?
Eminem: "the day you put out a hit's the day Diddy admits
That he put the hit out that got Pac killed"
on point 👌🏼
eminem also on epsteins flight logs, so
@@brekkoh this line is not about epstein.
i was thinking about nas: "i don't like the way p. diddy did shyne, with different lawyers"
nas himself being a pretty problematic guy himself too
@@brekkoh So is Trump but 65 million hillbillies still voted for him.
People be stupid and support anyone and everyone because they like what they say.
Eminem is also on some boomer level bars and is washed overall.
All these people with money the same.
I think issues need to come into peoples' immediate circle for them to listen. If it doesn't affect them or the ones around them, they don't care. But even if they do listen, they could be listening to the wrong people with the wrong solutions.
Well it comes back to the fact that we’re literally not allowed to try to do anything about anything in groups or, as history has taught us for generations, we’ll be gulaged, beaten or shot to death by the police, and nobody can do anything about anything major like that as just a single individual unless they turn into a mad gunman. So it’s kind of understandable why people treat things this way.
@@ImpendingRiot83 100%
The shit was in music video 😂 it was rapped about in movies. Its literally apart of culture. Idk why people were shocked this happen.
The only crazy part 1k baby oil 0 condoms 😂
@@CyrusIsnt Petroleum-based products are not compatible with latex rubbers. _If_ that oil was indeed used for the… _primary freaking,_ then it was likely used without protection.
Power doesn't change people, it _reveals_ them.
NWA was a Boy Band.
"People have been trying to have these conversations" "Shame about sexuality."
Shame? or Fear? Because to Our knowledge the rampant homophobia (and misogyny) in Hip Hop/Rap (and Black Culture in general) is rarely, if ever addressed. Not even during the Halcyon days of Socially Conscious Rap.
I nominate OME as the Official Spokesperson for Hip Hop!!!
Justin Hunte is my guy. Open Mike is cool too.
I don’t think that power changes people. I think power reveals who you truly are. 🤷🏾♀️
I've liked that better than the "absolute power corrupts absolutely" belief since I've heard it. I believe that someone holding power can do amazing things, it's just a lot of people that get it shouldn't, and the people that can do good are rarely in positions to make a positive difference for the most deserving.
Your words about the meritocracy of hip-hop and how empowering it was reminded me of Steinski’s words about the birth of hip-hop back in the day. About how, back then, you’d see punks at the rap shows. As both were born from people wanting to take a little bit of control of their life, of the arts, etc. T La Rock was right, it really is yours (for the taking).
speak on it comrade eagle 🙌❤️🔥🦅
It's interesting how these kinds of things happen when people attain an exorbitant amount of power. Questioning that power is a monumental task, as there are a lot of people involved in keeping that power in place.
You have diddy, then you have all of the men and women who continued to keep that power in its place. They are also a part of that power, so they also dont want theirs diminished. This can be extended to politics, irrespective of a specific party, where you see people bending, abusing, and wrestling to keep their power or acquire power.
A friend of mine worked for Tom Cotton in the mid 10s and she said "the common thing that i saw among politicians, democrat, republican, libertarian, etc. Are the lengths they're willing to go to attain power and influence.
To piggy back on the points about anti establishment music, that barely exists anymore. Even the people who were once anti-establishment (rage against the machine, for example) eventually became a supporter of that establishment. And i guess, thats the end road of fishing for particular ideals. If you achieve what you want, you eventually become the establishment. Only to now have something formed thats anti you. Lol
The reality is the industry adapted to what you and many others felt about this type of art and they put people like Diddy in place to gatekeep people from platforms that are profitable, often trapping those within into said industry as forever pawns.
You were THE rapper that made me realize there's a group of people that aren't attached and I will always appreciate you and the people that do this but because of you it's made it incredibly easy to discern.
This happens in pretty much any art form that gets popular, especially if it's hitting the youth.
13:56 yeah that's describing ideological hegemony pretty well (the universalization of "the way things are" to "the way things must be / have always been")
It feels encouraging to see people like FD Signifier and a lot of the channels he helps platform and collaborates with gain a larger cultural foothold.
They seem to present a good forum and format for these conversations and there may be opportunity for more collaboration with artists to platform and encourage these difficult conversations.
FD Signifier has introduced me to a lot of new quality channels that I doubt I would've ever found otherwise. He's really good
It’s also not a coincidence that black and brown people are taking charge of this type of content either. Whites on the internet are too content brained because nothing affects them to the level that it does us.
FD thinks Attack on Titan is a pro fascist show.
I can't stop thinking about how awful a take that is, be wary of ANYthing dude says or recommends
@@Ason19 if we divided everyone based on their personal take on Attack on Titan I wonder if we’d have as clear a line on “smart/stupid” as you think.
Also, I think Cowboy Bebop would give you a cleaner result.
Lastly, disregarding someone entirely based on one factor is quite fascist.
@@keithkrepcho4773 and calling attack on titan a pro fascist show is quite stupid, he's right, be wary of ANYthing dude says or recommends
Everyone’s going to give the wrong answer. So I’ll give y’all the truth:
All they did was make the suffering of others entertaining enough for the average person to care
Forget all the rape & abuse, look at this baby oil & gay jokes!
Your viewers, the commenters, the everyday human on planet Earth is completely apathetic towards the pain & suffering inflicted by powerful people in this world
They need to be giving talking points (baby oil), idols to worship (50 Cent), & victims with pain to co-opt (Cassie)
A decades long sex trafficking organization has been reduced to jokes & memes within a matter of months. Piles of victims who’s path to justice will be lost in a sea of regurgitated memes & bot comments
And the cycle will continue. Right now one of y’all faves is actively harming others in their empires & there will be no public discourse about it until the media learns how to mutually benefit from the conflict
Honestly who cares
im here just for the baby oil and gay jokes 😂
not these replies proving your point 😂👆
@@littlefoxglove276 the replies are right. There are waay more sick ppl under your nose and around you right now, but ppl around the world are expected to give more than a glance to sick entertainers and their escapades?? We don't really care and we should not care. The only ppl that should care are the victims, their families and the court of law. Everyone else is watching a public execution and that is where it should stop.
This is a much larger world issue than you might realize man. Whooe heartedly agree with everything you saying tho. In sooooooooo many ways.
Nobody around this man has the benefit to act surprised now that it got too mainstream to pretend it isn't happening.
it’s bc it was gay and and men were violated that the general public began to care. women and fems alike are violated and silenced sooooo often so once it happens to men who are particularly masculine, who normally dictate how these conversations go, that’s what garners the attention.
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Why do you think the Drake beef got as big as it did? A big part of that beef before Kendrick dropped Meet The Grahams was Drake's treatment of women, both adults and underage.
@@onemorescoutonly was taken more seriously until another powerful man called it out. Women are often silenced or not taken seriously when it comes to calling out these kind of behaviors.
male victims of sexual assault are a punchline to a lot of people, i think the fact that the gayness got people’s attention is true but it’s not because they care about male victims, it’s because they don’t like gay people. The gayness offends them more than the rape.
This… just doesn’t seem true to me. You don’t think it was Cassie that opened the floodgates? Look at how people tend to respond to men who are victims. NO ONE takes men who are victims of sexual violence seriously. I know because I am a victim of sexual violence.
@@CharlieTooHumando you not see how folks treat victims who are men? Look at how 50 and many others responded to Michael Rainey Jr. What are you talking about?
I don’t know why I’m just now finding you, but you are an exceptional social analyst. Immediately subscribed.
Nothing will make people listen man, the last few years cemented that for me.
@@grizzfan018 We cannot give in or stop hoping.
Not a global pandemic it turns out 😔
As a yt dude born and raised in Wisconsin.
Even we talked about it on the school yard in the early 2000s. Rummor of him offing Pac been around since the day it happened, and if you were a fan of hiphop, you heard the rumors, and you joked about all the gay ish.
But as we grew older, those of us who knew, realized just how sick all the stuff we heard about were.
People just dont listen when you speak ill of their idols.
I saw people end friendships over that it was so sad to see
Yeah. Watched the rise of neoliberalism destroy creative sectors and social structures starting up in the 80s, kicking up a gear in the 90s.
Before Cassie, everyone who tried to tell the truth about Diddy was labeled “crazy”. And it goes even deeper than that. Sean Combs had a long history of doing his artists dirty in the long run. Ma$e, Black Rob (R.I.P.), Shyne, The LOX, Craig Mack (R.I.P.), and others. Diddy didn’t do anything for Black Rob when he was hospitalized for kidney failure, and he only paid for his funeral due to public outcry. Shyne did 10 years to cover Diddy’s crime (the shooting), and he got tossed aside like he was old news; he had to take his rebirth into his own hands and do positive work in Belize to get past all that. The LOX dodged a huge bullet leaving Bad Boy for Ruff Ryders; they made their own name and got the Key To The City in Yonkers for all their hard work. And Craig Mack? Dude was able to put his struggle and revival in his own words before his passing. Look up Craig Mack’s interviews on RUclips. Any mogul who does his artists dirty like that is capable of a LOT more.
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Man. This is a really good analysis. I've always felt that rap/hip-hop had two factions as well. There was always a punk rock vibe with the anti-establishment messaging (public enemy, etc.), and an arena rock vibe which upheld the idea of a capitalistic excessiveness. Rock had their dialectic in the 80's and Rap had its time in the 90's.
When it comes to music generally, I like music with balance. I tend to favor artists and bands with mixed elements. For some reason, it feels cutting edge to me. It usually boils down to having and arena sound with punk lyricism. A good rock example of this is the band IDLES. Their "post-punk" sound steals the heavy arena rock noise and gives it lyrics that undermines the extravagance of capitalistic institutions that make it sound awesome in the first place. It's pretty wild. When it comes to the examples you've used in Kendrick and J. Cole, I think they've sort of done something similar. It feels wrong to call their music "post-rap" or whatever, but I also feel like they've created a sub-genre within hip-hop that uses mass appeal sound to deliver a more or less conscious message to their audience.
Sorry for the ramble, but I think you're 100% right and just wanted to share my own thoughts a little bit. Great stuff and thank you.
It takes fighting and endless people being driven into the margins by people refusing to listen, screaming over and over and over and over by countless people, and thousands of hours, tens of thousands, years and years and years of long hours of thankless hard work to get people to listen
Glad you posted this to RUclips so quickly. I had to take my dogs out during the Twitch stream. Well put Mike.
Damn, very thoughtful video
Love to hear from someone who grew up in the 90s that’s “alt” for lack of better word. It’s definitely incredibly frustrating that Americans still are struggling to organize for their rights and of those most at risk of violence while those in power are very well organized; there have been a lot of victories whether it’s teamsters on the workers’ rights front or even the Me Too movement but I feel you on how it still feels like the real conversations on how society needs to be managed is non existent. I can imagine seeing hiphop devolve so to speak was hard while also being an artist within it yourself; peace and love, continue to do what you can
While I agree with the Chronic take, I still believe Jay Z was really the turning point. Especially since Jay was a big influence and writer on Chronic.
Second, the word you were looking for was zeitgeist.
Otherwise, well said.
I really thought everyone knew about Diddy
If you aren't willing to talk about bambatta, then Diddy Drake et al. don't matter.
Yuuup! And unfortunately, my (former) G.O.A.T, KRS-ONE just kept doubling down on defending him, saying he was above scrutiny 🤦🏻 fuuuck no! Not when it comes to children!
That's when I was done with looking up to any artist or personality.
@@liuchaquan I remember his comments being so crazy at the time. He was in an interview making the point that Trump and Hillary were both accused of terrible things but were both still respected leaders who were both running for president at the time, and so hip hop's leaders should still be respected as such regardless of any terrible things they might have done.
Aside from the validity of the accusations against either of them, his point was that hip hop should ignore the terrible things that it's leaders have done...on the basis that other societies also let their leaders get away with terrible things. I couldn't understand why anyone in his position would say such a thing - he literally had the power to say whether or not hip hop would hold itself to a higher standard or not, and he just said "no let's do what they do".
Bob marley managed to write songs that contain that political self empowerent aspect while also beeing listened to by the whole globe...
so its not like only apolitcal hedonistic music can reach a global market ..
maybe the problem was that alot of concious hip hop writing is just too convoluted ...everyone can sing all the words to Hustling by Rick Ross cause its so simple but only like a thousand people worldwide remember the lyrics to Kwelis get by , making the Capitalistim Anthem actually way more effective.
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What do you call anti-establishment when it becomes the establishment? It’s a rhetorical question.
expressions of life is such a beautiful way of putting the different ways we can be, definitely using that and attributing you
Honestly why is j cole mentioned as a cultural or capitalistic critic at all? I feel like he usually dodges taking a stance on many issues. In fact, his song “snow on the bluff” made it pretty clear that he didn’t want to comment on systemic issues and he was mad at noname for even asking him to talk about it
I immediately think of 'What They Do' by The Roots
WTF you STREAM?!
Im longing for the day louis v, gucci, etc. all fall apart because somebody makes it lame and unoriginal. I don’t believe that where we’re at is the new permanent vision of hip hop.
fr these are the hair metal days of hip hop
If there's anyone that can talk about (without the hysterics) is mike. Cos while all this is fine and dandy. This is why even us Californians is scared of L.A and big wig culture. Cos this stuff has been around since i was a baby.
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Concrete proof from a victim. Really it’s sad but people just don’t WANT to believe so u kinda need something undeniable
I agree that the elements being centered in The Chronic was the partying and feel-good vibe of it, but I'd argue that there were some elements of struggle being talked about in that record such as Lil' Ghetto Boy. I think the most worrying reality about that record is that the audience itself gravitated toward the feel-good elements of the music and left the core discourse on black struggle alone. All Nothin' but a G Thangs, No Lil' Ghetto Boys on people's playlists. Tupac gets the same treatment and he's one of the most radical figures in Hip-Hop; California Love is on everyone's playlists, but no 2Pacalypse Now. The music is a commodity, and folks don't want to be challenged by what entertains them.
Rap / Hip Hop is gonna die like Rock did. The new rappers/rock stars are RUclipsrs, podcasters, and influencers.
No one in the industry will say anything because they all knew it was going on (and some even participated). It’s disappointing yet predictable that most people would use this situation as an excuse to get their jokes off and try and get laughs/engagement. What needs to be mentioned more is how, when the figures (who certainly knew how Diddy moved) with more influence and authority than Diddy, decided they wanted him gone, they swiftly got rid of him.
The economy is so dire and the powers that be preach such divisivness that it results in a lack of empathy. People aren't nessesarily money hungry and willing to stomp anyone in their way to make more, but they are poor and see very few ways to just struggle a little less and turn on their neighbors to make the smallest buck more than they were before.
Props to F.D. Signfier for directing to this video, loved your music a long time but haven't sewn vids like this!
We need a stop diddy act. We need to comdify this attention to further regulate this industry
Art that asks you to look or think isn’t profitable, entertainment that numbs you is 😭 thanks for such a great video, this is where my brain wants to live
im scared to even write im scared lol
Our choices are an illusion. Diddy has a lot of money, and money buys pretty much anything.
I have a question, as both a life long hip hop head and as a therapist: Is there a platform or a way, we can start to work together as a community to provide safe places to have these conversations?
Caught the second half on twitch, glad to catch the first half here. Was reflecting on your words all day. Thanks Mike
getting people to listen requires appealing to their sensibilities
It shouldn't be surprising. Everyone forgot Kobe is a rapist and now he's back to being everyone's hero like nothing happened. Hero worship is a funny thing.
Forgot. Hmmm. Accepted is the word. Didn't care. Became complicit in doing so.
I don't see really any people just not caring about the Kobe situation among people who talk hoops. A lot of people straight up don't believe it, but I don't think I've ever come across anyone who believes the allegations were true but doesn't care. A little bit of that does seem to happen with Karl Malone though.
@ogbmt it don't even come up in conversation though.
Take Ray Lewis or Aaron Hernandez for example. If you mention either of them, one of the first things someone is going to say is "oh yeah, didn't he kill a guy?" You don't separate those two from the terrible things they did.
That isn't the case with kobe. When he gets mentioned, you never hear someone say "oh yeah, didn't he rape that girl and then leak her name to the press so she got death threats and had to refuse to testify?" It don't come up. Because hero worship sucks.
@@ogbmt Men don't believe women and rape is prevalent. The reality is grim. The math doesn't math. I do not believe that these ppl care, they are deluding themselves. It is very rare for a man not to be complicit. These are the hard facts. Men must sort themselves and each other out, it is nobody elses responsibility. Period.
@@deedeethedog05 Truth.
why did i not know open mike eagle had a youtube channel until rn
Algorithm started working correctly
has anyone got Shyne on the phone yet
Yoo Open Mike I used to bump yo music in high school I didn't know you doing commentary. Subscribed!
I really don’t know what you’re talking about people were making surviving diddy memes as soon as r Kelly got locked up I think people are just surprised with how bad the thing he did actually were
Beginning to end: 👏👏👏👏👏👏
The whole thing with escapism is quite sensitive for me. I’ve been in a cult that said it’s always bad, but I know it’s not the case, yet too much of it will get us nowhere.
Soooo many good points in this video, thank you.
11:27 - 12:18 Speaking on "stock broker". For some of my fellow 40 somethings, do yall remember Boiler Room? A film about 20 somethings working in a pump and dump brokerage firm. Throughout the film, you would hear Hip Hop lyrics from the likes of Biggie, Beanie, Slick Rick etc.
its crazy to me that anyone can think hip hop is anywhere close to being over. hip hop is so much bigger than these abusive garbage people. hip hop is so much more than any group of people.
I was just venting to my friend about all of this. Cool to see many people feeling these perspectives
The objectives and atmosphere has been off. All kinds of things are lined up for good to happen now, especially with knowledge and zeitgeist
It’s a cold evil world. Morality, discipline, social accountability, social responsibility, sticking up for your beliefs, and justice are all important. But neglected.
Entertainment is going from bad to worse, and people cannot think for themselves.
You're right about Public Enemy, etc. Looking back on it, record companies didn't know what to do with Jeru, KRS, PE, Black Sheep, even Tribe and De La. So they pulled the rug out and backed the artists that were the exact opposite. Hip hop never recovered, people forget there are powerful people with their thumbs on the scales
Nearly 20 years of uploads and u don’t have one single video about diddy before this. You’re trying to tell us u been talking about this for years lol
Thank you!!! I thought I was going crazy!!! Like I remember growing up in the 90s hearing people complain constantly about sissy
Mockery > acknowledgment > acceptance > change
I learned about this step by step concept of change from a retired vegan activist, Gary Yourofsky ✨(check em out)
I feel that we are between the stages of mockery and acknowledgment and some of us accept the reality we live in but very few have the intent and awareness needed to help change our reality to something better.
I strongly agree that we as a society need to have a serious and honest conversation about our consideration and care towards empathizing with one another
On not finding victims, I think they found only one gun with a serial number removed. Who knows how many times a gun such as that was used and then tossed.
This is what happens when you ;
a)live in a moral vacuum and
b)celebrate and reward bad "boy" behaviour. Time to re watch Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes.
I'm not saying I disagree but I'm also not sure I agree if power changes people. I've heard money only makes you more of what you are. If you're generous with little money, you'll likely be generous with lots. Same if you're stingy with it.
I'm really saying I don't know. Power and money can go together but they are different. The question I ask myself is it that power corrupts or the kind of people that obtain power are just not people of strong moral character
Maybe I’m speaking out of turn, but this resonates with me. I feel like the same commoditization hollowed out country music and rock - btw both genres that grew from black influences.
Hip hop is dying. The drugs and guns are killing it. Now that Diddy is out of the picture maybe it can be reborn healthier, stronger and free of the leeches that have covered its skin for decades.
The age of truth another word for truth is REAL...this is truly the REAL WORLD now all of the fake entertainers and false idols are crumbling
When you erode empathy toward the most vulnerable classes of society it doesn’t take long before empathy toward everyone erodes.
Talking about not defining your music thru the lens of capitalism, what is your take on someone like Paris and Guerrilla Records?
"1,000 bottles of baby oil" or anything ultra salacious.
9:19 idk why but everything before this put half of OutKast into context as commentary on the genre at the time. It's entirely unrelated to the topic, but damn okay.
im sorry, whats all the racket? im sorry it was me sir, riding im sorry bumpin 97 weezer, dont know all the sorry but i hit the keywords, im sorry but all my favorite tunes are from sorry it was me sir
This point of view was new and so intuitive. Thank you for this perspective
Really resonated with me here, especially protecting the vulnerable from ppl in power. Thank you Mike Eagle
as dark as these times are, I am hopeful the culture can change bringing new voices beyond the constraints of our system and those powers that prefer us to be divided and powerless in the face greed
I’m being really extreme here but….if ppl have been telling ppl who don’t listen (and they have bc I remember hearing abt this stuff w him and others in the 90’s), this confirms yet again to me that folks like to be lied to. I don’t know what to do with that but everything that is happening in the world rn tells me this.
Probably the most important video I've seen on this topic. Well said
Good stuff on the definition of rap music and how that’s worked out vs hip hop in its entirety and its balance that’s been skewed.
Who do you think you are stealing my thumbnail style?? 😂