I appreciate that. These videos are intended to help the community on the stand all of the issues that people always ask me about. Since you feel that the channel should grow, you can actually help very easily. If you ever post on Guitar forums, you can simply recommend some of the videos. Also, in the not so distant future, RUclips will be introducing a “hype” button. After you click on the like button, there will be an option to click on an additional hyper button. This will be introduced soon to help smaller channels grow. Thanks for dropping by.
That's where you're wrong. There's a reason he doesn't have more. Because anyone with any sense wouldn't watch him for more than a couple of minutes before realizing they're wasting their time.
Wow,I've been a guitarist since 1981, there's a handful of lttle things I learned from you that I should've learned decades ago,thank you.glad I found your channel.
As a person who works on guitars for others myself... I think a lot of people want the full setup, but they only want to pay for the truss rod adjustment, lol.
There's no getting around the bridge work that needs to be done to cure the bridge lift. That said do that first and hen work from there to get string action height down. a temporary work around is less string tension for a 1/2 or full step for an alternate tuning for the bridge lifting, if that bridge work isn't going to be done for a reset & glue. And then capo the 1st & 2nd frets. As the intonated saddle was shaved from the bottom, it also could have been filed & slotted like the nut instead. This guitar isn't exactly Martin +/-$ 3K build, it's a +/- $ 200 acoustic electric. 2 things I try to avoid doing, resetting a neck for shimming, bridge work is the other, this one there is no getting around the bridge lifting. As a DIYer, I'll do a bridge repair before a neck reset. And the neck reset I'll leave that level of a repair to a professional. I do prefer the bolt-on necks for electrics, because I can shim & reset a neck pocket issue. I avoid set neck guitars for that repair, but for the most part with an acoustic there's not much getting away from a set neck, even the Taylor bolt-on system is a bit more intensive for dialing in the shims they send you. This guitar was at least a bridge repair from the start. Probably not worth the cost of a bridge remove & glue, but let's face it, too much life left in that guitar to just put it at the curb to become landfill debris. Parted out & it probably gets enough money to put down towards a new one ? Some music stores will take some trade-in value & then turn their technician loose on it for the price of parts & the hourly rate to sell it for FMV as repaired. I have an 2010 Ovation Applause that was preowned that way with issues. I ended up slotting the saddle pickup, while retaining the intonated saddle, there was no bridge lifting and I still have enough string break angle to get the guitar strings to sit for string action height. Plays better than it ever did over the last 5 years of ownership. I bought a spare saddle part for the piezo pickup, it was around $ 10 as an insurance policy to put it back if I screwed it up. I got lucky and it worked out fine. and if one plays Cowboy chords, most any guitar will be intonated for that. I mean it's an acoustic electric, mellow tunes and intonated it will be for strumming open strings & Cowboy chords. I don't think anyone is going to be hitting the higher notes at the 19th & 20th frets.
We didn’t do any work on the guitar. I just decided to use it for the video and the customer kept it for sentimental reasons. I don’t even work on Ovation guitars.
Just by looking he needs a LOT of stuff ... check the bridge, check nut slots and file appropriately, check the saddle height and slots (file if needed), truss rod adjustment,. It "might" need a fret leveling. The list goes on and this is work that is time consuming. Nice work, subscribed.
Good video...Turns out you can polish a turd... look up Mythbusters episode...they literally polish multiple animal turds. If I remember correctly the elephant turd was most conducive to polishing.
That's a lot of needed work for a guitar the owner could replace for around $200....amazed you could do as much as you did. I'd tune it to D,E, or G and use it for slide or use it to practice repairs on an acoustic.
It's fixer upper that only makes sense for those who can do the proper work themselves, without paying a tech. If this was my guitar, I'd fix it for my own use, or perhaps to give it away. I didn't end up doing any work on this guitar. Customer decided to buy a new one, even though this was his first guitar and he really loves it.
You're right about not being able to polish a turd maybe your customer should just use it for what he can use it for and then consider maybe investing some money in a better acoustic. I do believe that those are the bargain bin versions similar to the electric gio . It's not going to be good for being roadworthy and it ain't going to be good for anything than a beginner guitar
The reflections in the top, visible in the first few seconds of the video, show how badly bellied the guitar is. In my experience, a cheap guitar with this kind of distortion is not worth fixing.
@@GuitarQuackery Thank you. When looking to buy an acoustic guitar, I always check its reflections. If there's a big mirror available, that's even better (you have to position the guitar where it can catch the light). This shows up even slight bellying.
Admittedly, the content on this channel is formatted more as medium to long form content, at median to slow pace. But, it’s actually the best Guitar tech content you will find anywhere on RUclips. Give it a shot. Welcome to the channel.
Really enjoyed the process except it had been more endurable with windows open. I've seen and worked on a number of guitars like this where also the front of the instrument is so concave over the X brace that the thing has become not only a turd but a toilet as well!
fun fact: you _can_ polish a turd. it just has to be fossilized first. (though why you'd destroy such a fairly rare thing by doing that, i have no idea.)
It would cost more to fix that guitar than it would be to buy a new one that guitar brand new is under 200 bucks some people don’t have clue about how guitars work just do a neck reset like that is easy and cheap to do that guitar is crap to begin with
@@GuitarQuackery installed riot tuners and an Earvana intonation nut recently too along with a blending preamp on it, all on the cheap since it's a working guitar.
Here are my feelings watching this video. Towards the end, I had an overwhelming desire to hold the guitar firmly by the headstock and smashing it into a thousand pieces. The release of frustration and pain watching this guy tediously trying to fix the unfixable would have released so much frustration, on the same level of a powerful orgasm I would say. Seriously, keep in mind; that for every amount sanded off the saddle, tone and sustain are reduced proportionately. It's a sad fact that all guitars will eventually reach this demise except for Taylor which has a bolt on neck where neck resets of these can be done in 30 minutes.
Thank you for your feedback. As it turns out, I am trying to figure out how to be more efficient with these videos. Editing does take a long time and I am sitting on a ton of materials that I've recorded and never had the time to edit. I am currently experimenting with live streaming, but for now the streams are not public. Of course, the streams will be completely unedited. Although I am aware that my videos would benefit from some cutting and editing it still boggles my mind how some of our friends with other guitar channels keep their audiences attentive, when most of what they do is just sit in front of a camera an talk for an hour or two. Yet, they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and never put any effort into editing.
Why even waste your time with all the other nonsense when the lifting bridge should be the 1st thing you addressed? That's the very 1st thing I would have done: call the customer and explain the issues and needed repairs. Why even waste time with everything else? It's virtually useless without addressing the bridge first
I believe you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. People keep asking me to do setups on guitars that can't be improved by doing setups. People also keep telling me that all they need is a truss rod adjustment. A customer dropped of that guitar in my absence and told me (over the phone) that all he needed was a truss rod adjustment to lower he action. I looked at the guitar and first thing I saw was a bridge lift (as I've explained in the video). Next thing I saw was the neck angle issue (as I've also explained in the video). Then I called the customer and explained those issues and told him that it would cost more to fix than to buy a new (or used) guitar of the same level. We cancelled the order and that's how far it went with the customer. It took hi over a month to pick up his guitar. In that time I used his guitar to make a video that shows what kind of guitars people bring to my shop, requesting setup, and more often than not just telling me to adjust the truss rod and that the guitar would be good to go (as I've explained in the video). So, for the sake of the video (for entertainment and educational purposes) I went on to demonstrate what results we would get from doing what the customers tell us to do, when they bring guitars like this one. The point of me doing these adjustments (which is what customers tell me to do when they think they know what they are talking about) was to prove that such guitars cannot be adjusted with setups. I actually thought that all that was pretty clearly explained in the video, especially given the fact that I was using the "polishing a turn" analogy. Everyone else got the point and got the joke (judging from all the other people's comments). Even the title of the vide states "Impossible setup" and the thumbnail says "the setup that can't be done".
You wrapped a turd with a gold foil and you wrapped a wealth of skills, knowledge and methodology with a funny foil. I wish the audience knew what you were saying and I hope they don’t get fooled by none of the two wrappings. Amazing skills, methodology and holistic approach. By the way, you’ve got the "Traditional British Phlegm”, as we call it in Europe… I hope it sounds correct the terminology… Many Thanks for sharing these interesting cases.
In encounter quite a few interesting cases, but unfortunately I have to pick which ones will end up on the channel. I would have done a repair on this guitar if the customer had agreed to pay what would fairly compensate me for all the time that would need to be spent on it. But it wasn't the case. So, there's not going to be a part 2, in this case.
You deserve 100x more subs man, your dedication to your own standard and the amount of filming effort you go through is impressive
I appreciate that. These videos are intended to help the community on the stand all of the issues that people always ask me about.
Since you feel that the channel should grow, you can actually help very easily. If you ever post on Guitar forums, you can simply recommend some of the videos.
Also, in the not so distant future, RUclips will be introducing a “hype” button. After you click on the like button, there will be an option to click on an additional hyper button.
This will be introduced soon to help smaller channels grow.
Thanks for dropping by.
That's where you're wrong. There's a reason he doesn't have more. Because anyone with any sense wouldn't watch him for more than a couple of minutes before realizing they're wasting their time.
@@J.C... Can you tone down your hostility, please. RUclips is big and you can feel free to watch any other channels you prefer.
Wow,I've been a guitarist since 1981, there's a handful of lttle things I learned from you that I should've learned decades ago,thank you.glad I found your channel.
Glad to have you on board.
As a person who works on guitars for others myself... I think a lot of people want the full setup, but they only want to pay for the truss rod adjustment, lol.
I hear you loud and clear.
Thank you i work on guitars a side gig as I'm retired, thank you for the tips
Rock on!
There's no getting around the bridge work that needs to be done to cure the bridge lift. That said do that first and hen work from there to get string action height down. a temporary work around is less string tension for a 1/2 or full step for an alternate tuning for the bridge lifting, if that bridge work isn't going to be done for a reset & glue. And then capo the 1st & 2nd frets. As the intonated saddle was shaved from the bottom, it also could have been filed & slotted like the nut instead. This guitar isn't exactly Martin +/-$ 3K build, it's a +/- $ 200 acoustic electric. 2 things I try to avoid doing, resetting a neck for shimming, bridge work is the other, this one there is no getting around the bridge lifting. As a DIYer, I'll do a bridge repair before a neck reset. And the neck reset I'll leave that level of a repair to a professional. I do prefer the bolt-on necks for electrics, because I can shim & reset a neck pocket issue. I avoid set neck guitars for that repair, but for the most part with an acoustic there's not much getting away from a set neck, even the Taylor bolt-on system is a bit more intensive for dialing in the shims they send you. This guitar was at least a bridge repair from the start. Probably not worth the cost of a bridge remove & glue, but let's face it, too much life left in that guitar to just put it at the curb to become landfill debris. Parted out & it probably gets enough money to put down towards a new one ? Some music stores will take some trade-in value & then turn their technician loose on it for the price of parts & the hourly rate to sell it for FMV as repaired.
I have an 2010 Ovation Applause that was preowned that way with issues. I ended up slotting the saddle pickup, while retaining the intonated saddle, there was no bridge lifting and I still have enough string break angle to get the guitar strings to sit for string action height. Plays better than it ever did over the last 5 years of ownership. I bought a spare saddle part for the piezo pickup, it was around $ 10 as an insurance policy to put it back if I screwed it up. I got lucky and it worked out fine. and if one plays Cowboy chords, most any guitar will be intonated for that. I mean it's an acoustic electric, mellow tunes and intonated it will be for strumming open strings & Cowboy chords. I don't think anyone is going to be hitting the higher notes at the 19th & 20th frets.
We didn’t do any work on the guitar. I just decided to use it for the video and the customer kept it for sentimental reasons.
I don’t even work on Ovation guitars.
Like your style. Smart and funny. Keep it up.
Thanks... but what do you mean, funny?
Very interesting video... thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Glad to hear you found it useful.
I installed the Power Pins 2.0 to replace the original plastic pegs, improving tone, playable, and installation of strings is faster.
Rock on.
Bravo!
Thanks.
Just by looking he needs a LOT of stuff ... check the bridge, check nut slots and file appropriately, check the saddle height and slots (file if needed), truss rod adjustment,. It "might" need a fret leveling. The list goes on and this is work that is time consuming. Nice work, subscribed.
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Good video...Turns out you can polish a turd... look up Mythbusters episode...they literally polish multiple animal turds. If I remember correctly the elephant turd was most conducive to polishing.
Another viewer also pointed out the MythBusters successful attempt to polish a return. I’m gonna have to look this up.
@@GuitarQuackery Cool man. I'm subscribing now.
That's a lot of needed work for a guitar the owner could replace for around $200....amazed you could do as much as you did.
I'd tune it to D,E, or G and use it for slide or use it to practice repairs on an acoustic.
It's fixer upper that only makes sense for those who can do the proper work themselves, without paying a tech. If this was my guitar, I'd fix it for my own use, or perhaps to give it away. I didn't end up doing any work on this guitar. Customer decided to buy a new one, even though this was his first guitar and he really loves it.
There's an old Chinese proverb that goes, once you've loved a turd, anything better is gravy.
@@randykalish7558 And I love it... I mean... not the turd... the proverb, to be clear.
Fun and learned a lot! I guess the customer is not "always correct"!
This customer was actually very reasonable and cool. He decided to keep the guitar as is for sentimental reasons and buy a new guitar for playing.
You're right about not being able to polish a turd maybe your customer should just use it for what he can use it for and then consider maybe investing some money in a better acoustic. I do believe that those are the bargain bin versions similar to the electric gio . It's not going to be good for being roadworthy and it ain't going to be good for anything than a beginner guitar
That’s exactly what we ended up doing. He just kept it as is, for sentimental reasons and went on to buy a new guitar.
The reflections in the top, visible in the first few seconds of the video, show how badly bellied the guitar is. In my experience, a cheap guitar with this kind of distortion is not worth fixing.
Nice catch. Those reflections in fact show best on black guitars, like this one.
@@GuitarQuackery Thank you. When looking to buy an acoustic guitar, I always check its reflections. If there's a big mirror available, that's even better (you have to position the guitar where it can catch the light). This shows up even slight bellying.
first time watching your channel....idk, 4:40 in and your just getting to the guitar.... not sure i can suffer through this for another half hour
Admittedly, the content on this channel is formatted more as medium to long form content, at median to slow pace.
But, it’s actually the best Guitar tech content you will find anywhere on RUclips.
Give it a shot.
Welcome to the channel.
@@GuitarQuackery your content is great as-is, sir :)
Really enjoyed the process except it had been more endurable with windows open. I've seen and worked on a number of guitars like this where also the front of the instrument is so concave over the X brace that the thing has become not only a turd but a toilet as well!
I keep my work area well ventilated, because I use naphta and also just in case someone drops of a turd in my absence.
fun fact: you _can_ polish a turd. it just has to be fossilized first.
(though why you'd destroy such a fairly rare thing by doing that, i have no idea.)
It's actually called coprolite (fossilized dinosaur dung). Interestingly, people do actually cut it up and polish it to make gems and jewelry.
Mythbusters did polish a turd. 😊
LOL... I'll have to check that out.
It would cost more to fix that guitar than it would be to buy a new one that guitar brand new is under 200 bucks some people don’t have clue about how guitars work just do a neck reset like that is easy and cheap to do that guitar is crap to begin with
Precisely. The guitar was not worth fixing. We ended up not doing anything. He kept the guitar for sentimental reasons.
It is still fixable, as I iwn the same model and did so myself. Now it plays better than a Martin ❤
Everything is fixable. The only question is, who will pay me for my time?
@@GuitarQuackery Someone like me, an artist
@@elnava69 LOL
@@GuitarQuackery installed riot tuners and an Earvana intonation nut recently too along with a blending preamp on it, all on the cheap since it's a working guitar.
Now that I think about it, I like a high string action, works for me
Here are my feelings watching this video. Towards the end, I had an overwhelming desire to hold the guitar firmly by the headstock and smashing it into a thousand pieces. The release of frustration and pain watching this guy tediously trying to fix the unfixable would have released so much frustration, on the same level of a powerful orgasm I would say. Seriously, keep in mind; that for every amount sanded off the saddle, tone and sustain are reduced proportionately. It's a sad fact that all guitars will eventually reach this demise except for Taylor which has a bolt on neck where neck resets of these can be done in 30 minutes.
In that case, this is a video made for you ruclips.net/video/s1wDtyn2TMk/видео.html
Enjoy.
Perhaps some small editing could take some 15 min out of it. Funny jokes, good guitar related content, otherwise.
Thank you for your feedback. As it turns out, I am trying to figure out how to be more efficient with these videos. Editing does take a long time and I am sitting on a ton of materials that I've recorded and never had the time to edit.
I am currently experimenting with live streaming, but for now the streams are not public. Of course, the streams will be completely unedited.
Although I am aware that my videos would benefit from some cutting and editing it still boggles my mind how some of our friends with other guitar channels keep their audiences attentive, when most of what they do is just sit in front of a camera an talk for an hour or two. Yet, they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers and never put any effort into editing.
Why even waste your time with all the other nonsense when the lifting bridge should be the 1st thing you addressed? That's the very 1st thing I would have done: call the customer and explain the issues and needed repairs. Why even waste time with everything else? It's virtually useless without addressing the bridge first
2nd. You don't adjust the truss rod to change action/string height. That's not what it's for.
Why even waste your time? 🤷🤦
I believe you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. People keep asking me to do setups on guitars that can't be improved by doing setups. People also keep telling me that all they need is a truss rod adjustment.
A customer dropped of that guitar in my absence and told me (over the phone) that all he needed was a truss rod adjustment to lower he action. I looked at the guitar and first thing I saw was a bridge lift (as I've explained in the video). Next thing I saw was the neck angle issue (as I've also explained in the video).
Then I called the customer and explained those issues and told him that it would cost more to fix than to buy a new (or used) guitar of the same level. We cancelled the order and that's how far it went with the customer. It took hi over a month to pick up his guitar.
In that time I used his guitar to make a video that shows what kind of guitars people bring to my shop, requesting setup, and more often than not just telling me to adjust the truss rod and that the guitar would be good to go (as I've explained in the video).
So, for the sake of the video (for entertainment and educational purposes) I went on to demonstrate what results we would get from doing what the customers tell us to do, when they bring guitars like this one.
The point of me doing these adjustments (which is what customers tell me to do when they think they know what they are talking about) was to prove that such guitars cannot be adjusted with setups.
I actually thought that all that was pretty clearly explained in the video, especially given the fact that I was using the "polishing a turn" analogy.
Everyone else got the point and got the joke (judging from all the other people's comments).
Even the title of the vide states "Impossible setup" and the thumbnail says "the setup that can't be done".
You're correct, "You don't adjust the truss rod to change action/string height. That's not what it's for." which is exactly what I say in this video.
You wrapped a turd with a gold foil and you wrapped a wealth of skills, knowledge and methodology with a funny foil.
I wish the audience knew what you were saying and I hope they don’t get fooled by none of the two wrappings.
Amazing skills, methodology and holistic approach.
By the way, you’ve got the "Traditional British Phlegm”, as we call it in Europe… I hope it sounds correct the terminology…
Many Thanks for sharing these interesting cases.
In encounter quite a few interesting cases, but unfortunately I have to pick which ones will end up on the channel. I would have done a repair on this guitar if the customer had agreed to pay what would fairly compensate me for all the time that would need to be spent on it. But it wasn't the case. So, there's not going to be a part 2, in this case.