I from Iraq and we have a very different building style for homes. but it's very easy to use wood and see how the home transfer by small steps and team work , well done
The storyboard worked extremely well in a perfectly square room or perfectly rectangular.Though in my years of carpentry work I have never seen one of those!
New school is CA glue with a kick off spray instead of gorilla and pins. I learned that from a finish carpenter channel. Used it for shoe molding when I did my floor for the rounded corners and works like a champ!
Tommy, I have watched you and Norm COPE joints for 30 plus years. I always felt kind of LESS of a carpenter cutting on a 45* and picture framing. Now I see you doing it.. WHAT GIVES????? I want all those years of feeling like I was cheating BACK!!!!!!
Steve 1961P. Because those guys are old school. There is a guy in Indiana who figured out how to streamline interior carpentry. He shows his work on RUclips and Instagram, Inside Carpentry. Jeff follows him so that is where he got the idea from.
Boy I used to hate prepping out them ceilings getting them ready for primer and paint..all the puttying, sanding and caulking sucked..lol. It was so much easier when we were told they were getting stained to match the woodwork..The finished product is so beautiful either way though!
you are assuming that the distance across your floor is the same distance across your ceiling. That may be true in this case, but many houses are not square and plumb. you may have a 14' spanning floor with a ceiling that spans 14' 3/4" with walls that are out of plumb. Double measure folks!
@@jomangeee9180 Looks like I see roughed-in HVAC, electrical and plumbing. Not much of a builder are you? Looks like an enclosed patio to you but has every aspect of a normal living space with a 18" carrier beam supporting the whole 2nd story of the house hence why they are doing what they are doing..... Still look like an enclosed patio? Do you even know what a patio is?
My golly, the beam is carrying the 2nd floor joists, the 2nd floor is the bedrooms, hallway, bathroom, etc. Above that is the attic which is most likely trusses and dead space, you don't walk on your ceiling.
I've done several of these... look good, but a real pain... And putting that crown together and then installing it... living on the edge. And shouldn't those ceiling boards have at least one coat of paint before they go up? (I won't mention the clobber marks from the nail gun... someone else already got that)
@@Kevin-mp5of I don't know that they're incompetent hacks... but you've got to think at least three steps ahead in your work. And it's the job of the guy in charge of the crew to keep an eye on things.
Who KNEW in a thousand years houses would be made of wood scraps, sold for $2.5mil. There is NO CONvincing Me that sawdust ...ahem... engineered wood it's just as strong or better than old growth wood. The coffered ceiling parts apper to be solid wood but the framing of the house isn't ain't that sum shyt. Damn...I love My old houses built with blood sweat and tears and not designed on an IPhone.
Small or large chunks of timber compressed and cooked into shape admittedly but the strength is also in the resin/adhesive as a complete system. Real timber is "just cells of cellulose arranged as nature intended (well, more or less)" but the tests in the engineered timber factory proved the product was almost twice as "strong" as similarly dimentioned timber. (I am going to suggest ToH isn't in the business of endorsing some iffy product, so am perfectly happy to buy into the "fact" engineered timber is more than strong enough cf "real" timber for any job in hand. With the proviso that the timber dimensions are scaled for the job in hand of course.)
Indeed yes for internal measurements. An excellent idea! During the war my old Dad was a shipwright in the RN; if you had to measure a space in the dark with water gushing into a compartment you couldn't always use a rule or tape so offered up two lengths of timber batten held together by bolts and wing nuts. One piece would have a slot. Extend the two pieces, tighten the wing nuts and then use that length to cut from. From what he said you would be cutting up balks of timber to shore up bulkheads or to force a hatch closed if necessary. Baulk pushed into the space with wedges using a sledge. (The idea being to save the ship ... he said very often your shipmates were trapped on lower decks. Bodies removed later and buried at sea.)
Machinists use gage blocks. Outside of a laboratory, its far more precise to use a physical gauge than to measure; every measurement introduces its own error and uncertainty, by using a gage like this story pole, you only introduce that error and uncertainty once. Regardless of the system of measurement. Measurements such as these dont have to be accurate, but they do need ro be extremely precise. Theres a big difference. In the metrology world
Hmm, but they are merely cosmetic, not load bearing. And you could only build the "effect" from scraps. It is only detail these days. And in a few weeks you won't give them a second glance anyway. Living in a house doesn't mean you're looking at details every five minutes. It's a sort of "trophy ceiling" that you display to your friends and neighbours ... who will make all the right noises ... but privately just think "whatever". That's not to take away from the skill in building the effect of course.
@@t1n4444 Every single one of those floor joists, made of a 2x4 on top and bottom and sheets of fiber board in the middle, aren't load bearing? Also all the wall studs and headers are engineered lumber.
@@christophermorin9036 Hmm, possibly we are at cross purposes here. The ceiling, without the "effect" was load bearing ... the coving and cornices aren't.
If you don't trust any building engineer's calculations, you should stay away from any public building built since the late 1800s. If you don't trust engineering in general, don't ride in any motor vehicle, or any train/aircraft/large sea-going vessel. It's a simpler life, but has its attractions.
@@kenc2257 Ref the recent video on the engineered timber factory; the interviewee very carefully outlined the testing process. Said testing demonstrated the engineered product was "stonger" than a piece of "natural" timber of the same dimension. Adhesives these days are nothing short of awesome (provided you adhere (groan) to the manufacturers' method statement. (I had a piece of timber stuck to a steel upright on my narrowboat using "Sikaflex" ... the timber split when trying to remove it. Had to use a wood chisel to get the remaining "veneer" off the steel. That had been in place for past 27 years and that was the technology then. The adhesives must be even more awesome these days. In fact I gather the CAA and FAA approve, or sign off, on certain structures on aircraft these days which are held together solely by adhesives. Ergo if engineered timber is constructed under controlled conditions then absolutely no probs using it. After all, the earliest form of engineered timber is plywood, and has been in use for decades ... nobody gives it a second thought.
One of the things I love about TOH is that they don't just show you the process; they explain the reasoning behind the process.
It truly is educational. I’m currently looking for a house and I feel this channel has made me way more prepared than I was before.
I from Iraq and we have a very different building style for homes. but it's very easy to use wood and see how the home transfer by small steps and team work , well done
Tom is so boss. Absolute legend
6:44 was hoping for Tom to say, "that's the idear."
The storyboard worked extremely well in a perfectly square room or perfectly rectangular.Though in my years of carpentry work I have never seen one of those!
Your job sites always looks so clean. I need to make my life better. OK I got to get back to Laboring . thanks for the video!
Tommy really know it all wish I had all that talent
God, I could watch hours of these guys working!!!
New school is CA glue with a kick off spray instead of gorilla and pins. I learned that from a finish carpenter channel. Used it for shoe molding when I did my floor for the rounded corners and works like a champ!
TOTALLY UNNECESSARY AND OVERKILL AND TO MUCH CLEANUP
Clean up for what?
Before Laser levels, String Bob's were and are still used to transfer the marks from floor to ceiling.
THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
Nice work, good to watch a pro in action.
Tommy, I have watched you and Norm COPE joints for 30 plus years. I always felt kind of LESS of a carpenter cutting on a 45* and picture framing. Now I see you doing it.. WHAT GIVES????? I want all those years of feeling like I was cheating BACK!!!!!!
Steve 1961P. Because those guys are old school. There is a guy in Indiana who figured out how to streamline interior carpentry. He shows his work on RUclips and Instagram, Inside Carpentry. Jeff follows him so that is where he got the idea from.
When you have square, consistent angles (like ceiling coffers or cabinets) you don’t need to cope.
Boy I used to hate prepping out them ceilings getting them ready for primer and paint..all the puttying, sanding and caulking sucked..lol. It was so much easier when we were told they were getting stained to match the woodwork..The finished product is so beautiful either way though!
Wish the end of the video showed a better view of the finished room so we see how it all tied together
BOO HOO
Wow that's some beefy coffers. I'd like to see a second video where they install the ceiling between the beams
NOT NECESSARY
Nice. Looks great!
The Best!!👍🏻
Awsome like the one price crown
How about doing "faux" coffered on a finished drywall? That look is timeless.
OF COURSE YOU CAN DO THAT
Is there a set of measurements for the beams? I would like to try this in my house.
EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IS DIFFERENT
What series was this from please? We have limited access here in the U.K.
5:30 If they already put glue and tacked it with a pin nailer, was it necessary to actually screw it in or was that just precautionary?
YES
Yes. Will keep the joints tight for years to come.
I like all the dents that finish nailer leaves on the crown molding.
@@Kevin-mp5of jealous much??
Yeah, I cringed. My nailer has a rubber cover so you don’t mar the wood.
The painters include patching/fixing those marks in their bid. Or they could spend a few extra hours to not leave any marks that take minutes to fix.
you are assuming that the distance across your floor is the same distance across your ceiling. That may be true in this case, but many houses are not square and plumb. you may have a 14' spanning floor with a ceiling that spans 14' 3/4" with walls that are out of plumb. Double measure folks!
6:55
Guessing you may want to stain and/or clear over the wood before putting in the crown?
probably painting everything white so it'll all blend nice. The boards just come in stain grade cause they are so small.
Kevin needs to call Tommy sir.
NOT
are there any light fixtures hanging from the ceiling? how does that work?
The wiring is put in before, they mark the location before they cover it and cut a hole in after, put the light fixture in.
@@johnny6071 thanks :) maybe there will be a better view next episode
@@jomangeee9180 Forget about next episode, I'd go back to season 1 and watch 30 years worth of full episodes thoroughly if I were you.
@@johnny6071 lol
PUT IN A BOX AND HANG THE LIGHT
Wood chips and glue abound.
The shiplap fireplace wall really destroyed the room
LOOKS AWESOME
Why does Kevin always have to be touching the thing they're talking about?
To make sure we see what they are talking about.
Otherwise, you may be asking why they didn't show it.
Cause he thinks it makes him look like he knows what the hell he's talking about. He's as dumb as they come when it comes to actual work!
He has to "play" dumb so they can explain details to the viewers.
@@armyvet8279 His role as a presenter is to ask the questions the viewers aren't able to ask directly, that means he needs to play dumb.
That’s the thing
That's a good way to do it. Check out how I did it over on my channel. Comment and let me know what you think!
is that an indoor or outdoor ceiling?
Judging by the floor, roof, windows and walls, I'd say it's one of those indoor type ceilings you hear about.
@@johnny6071they said living / dining room but looks more like an enclosed patio to me. Maybe thats the whole idea of this kind of ceiling
@@jomangeee9180 Looks like I see roughed-in HVAC, electrical and plumbing. Not much of a builder are you? Looks like an enclosed patio to you but has every aspect of a normal living space with a 18" carrier beam supporting the whole 2nd story of the house hence why they are doing what they are doing..... Still look like an enclosed patio? Do you even know what a patio is?
@@johnny6071 ok mr bob the builder, so what were the 3 things they measured up for and installed in the beginning?
@@jomangeee9180 Is that before or after 0:25 when they said it was a living room and dining room?
get chore poplah right here capishe
is there an attic? how do you walk over that ceiling is it sturdy enough?
You wouldn't walk on the ceiling. They would out some type of flooring over top of the joists. That's what's holding the load
There's 2 floors to that house, so yes what you see is sturdy enough since it holds the 2nd floor
My golly, the beam is carrying the 2nd floor joists, the 2nd floor is the bedrooms, hallway, bathroom, etc. Above that is the attic which is most likely trusses and dead space, you don't walk on your ceiling.
2ND FLOOR IS ABOVE AND IF I NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY WALK OVER IT YOU CLEARKY WOULDNT GET IT
@@clarelong3810 I seem to be getting on your nerves!!
I've done several of these... look good, but a real pain...
And putting that crown together and then installing it... living on the edge.
And shouldn't those ceiling boards have at least one coat of paint before they go up?
(I won't mention the clobber marks from the nail gun... someone else already got that)
Probably gonna be sprayed. If you prepaint that wood you'd need an aircraft hanger to lay it all out to dry in.
@@Kevin-mp5of I don't know that they're incompetent hacks...
but you've got to think at least three steps ahead in your work. And it's the job of the guy in charge of the crew to keep an eye on things.
That’s gotta be really expensive holy cow. I thought it was just wood screwed in with trim built over it
Who KNEW in a thousand years houses would be made of wood scraps, sold for $2.5mil.
There is NO CONvincing Me that sawdust ...ahem... engineered wood it's just as strong or better than old growth wood. The coffered ceiling parts apper to be solid wood but the framing of the house isn't ain't that sum shyt.
Damn...I love My old houses built with blood sweat and tears and not designed on an IPhone.
Small or large chunks of timber compressed and cooked into shape admittedly but the strength is also in the resin/adhesive as a complete system.
Real timber is "just cells of cellulose arranged as nature intended (well, more or less)" but the tests in the engineered timber factory proved the product was almost twice as "strong" as similarly dimentioned timber.
(I am going to suggest ToH isn't in the business of endorsing some iffy product, so am perfectly happy to buy into the "fact" engineered timber is more than strong enough cf "real" timber for any job in hand. With the proviso that the timber dimensions are scaled for the job in hand of course.)
Using metric system? No
Using a long piece of wood as a measurement? Yeah!
O.o
Indeed yes for internal measurements. An excellent idea!
During the war my old Dad was a shipwright in the RN; if you had to measure a space in the dark with water gushing into a compartment you couldn't always use a rule or tape so offered up two lengths of timber batten held together by bolts and wing nuts. One piece would have a slot.
Extend the two pieces, tighten the wing nuts and then use that length to cut from.
From what he said you would be cutting up balks of timber to shore up bulkheads or to force a hatch closed if necessary.
Baulk pushed into the space with wedges using a sledge.
(The idea being to save the ship ... he said very often your shipmates were trapped on lower decks.
Bodies removed later and buried at sea.)
Machinists use gage blocks. Outside of a laboratory, its far more precise to use a physical gauge than to measure; every measurement introduces its own error and uncertainty, by using a gage like this story pole, you only introduce that error and uncertainty once. Regardless of the system of measurement. Measurements such as these dont have to be accurate, but they do need ro be extremely precise. Theres a big difference. In the metrology world
First!
@Jacko goes wacko for tobacco before the video was published
@Jacko goes wacko for tobacco I thought it was a funny retort. Definitely not what you were expecting.
Everytime I see those engineered beams I shudder. I'm sorry, but I would NOT TRUST a house made of beams that are made of glued together wood scraps.
Hmm, but they are merely cosmetic, not load bearing. And you could only build the "effect" from scraps. It is only detail these days.
And in a few weeks you won't give them a second glance anyway.
Living in a house doesn't mean you're looking at details every five minutes.
It's a sort of "trophy ceiling" that you display to your friends and neighbours ... who will make all the right noises ... but privately just think "whatever".
That's not to take away from the skill in building the effect of course.
@@t1n4444 Every single one of those floor joists, made of a 2x4 on top and bottom and sheets of fiber board in the middle, aren't load bearing? Also all the wall studs and headers are engineered lumber.
@@christophermorin9036 Hmm, possibly we are at cross purposes here. The ceiling, without the "effect" was load bearing ... the coving and cornices aren't.
If you don't trust any building engineer's calculations, you should stay away from any public building built since the late 1800s. If you don't trust engineering in general, don't ride in any motor vehicle, or any train/aircraft/large sea-going vessel. It's a simpler life, but has its attractions.
@@kenc2257 Ref the recent video on the engineered timber factory; the interviewee very carefully outlined the testing process. Said testing demonstrated the engineered product was "stonger" than a piece of "natural" timber of the same dimension.
Adhesives these days are nothing short of awesome (provided you adhere (groan) to the manufacturers' method statement.
(I had a piece of timber stuck to a steel upright on my narrowboat using "Sikaflex" ... the timber split when trying to remove it. Had to use a wood chisel to get the remaining "veneer" off the steel. That had been in place for past 27 years and that was the technology then.
The adhesives must be even more awesome these days.
In fact I gather the CAA and FAA approve, or sign off, on certain structures on aircraft these days which are held together solely by adhesives.
Ergo if engineered timber is constructed under controlled conditions then absolutely no probs using it.
After all, the earliest form of engineered timber is plywood, and has been in use for decades ... nobody gives it a second thought.