-likes when someone gets dumped -likes when someone gets rejected and they never go back to being friends -likes break ups Jesus Christ, Chloe, who *HURT* you? 😰
The guy was weak (simp) at the beginning relationship or the girl was tricked or blackmailed into cheating. The majority of plots for ntr. The men always lead not the women. This why strong men get the women all the time.
Chloe: "I don't like NTR." Me: "Could this woman be one of my people?" Chloe: "I prefer watching relationships slowly and permanently crumble." Me: "....No, no she is not."
Honestly those books push pregnancy and unprotected sex so incredibly aggressively that you have to wonder if there isn't a government program to incentivise including those tags in your work.
For anyone curious about the whole list: 1- NTR 2- Submissive men 3- Pregnancy 4- Futanari 5- Flat chest 6- Reverse-rape (IOW, woman-on-man) 7- Nipple-teasing 8- 3D productions 9- Downfall (or turning to evil) 10- Otoko no ko (traps) 11- Trance/hypnosis 12- Scat 13- Nakadashi (coming inside) 14- Tentacles 15- Moaning 16- Commanding/forceful 17- Onee-san&shota (Older girl+little boy) 18- Ear-licking 19- Gender-bending/TS (usually done in a fantastical manner) Personally, I'm a little sad that anal and gangbangs aren't even on that list.
I once saw a comment that said that a lot of the people viewing NTR stuff imagine themselves as the guy stealing the girl and not the guy getting his girl stolen from I guess it brings on a power fantasy of being able to take someone elses loved one
To be more exact, there is Netorare, Netori and Netorase. Netori is the power fantasy one, with the protagonist doing the "stealing." Netorare is the one where the protagonist has his/her special one stolen (the one stolen doesn't necessarily have to be in romantic relationship with the protagonist, he/she just has to be "special" to the protagonist and the protagonist has to be aware of it all). Netorase is the protagonist willingly letting / requesting his/her loved one to sleep with someone else. There is also "cheating" tag, which generally differs in that the one being cheated on has no awareness of the whole thing and usually has no active role in the story. I guess you can enjoy a netorare story from the perspective of netori (I can think of number of examples where I've done so as well), but generally most NTR stories would be planned as just being one of them. Netorase has a high chance of turning into actual netorare, though (such works are probably my favourite).
@@ジャン-エリック I would argue that most of what is called NTR is Netori coded, they have the guy suffering but is hardly the focus, meanwhile stories that really focus on how much the protagonist is suffering and the story being almost always from his perspective is the type of stuff that turns off even the 'NTR enjoyers'
id say maybe years ago the perspective was on the guy being cucked but as someone who's been reading NTR for quite some time now, its shifted to being more of the girl's pov and there's less of seeing the cuck's pov. in fact sometimes he's barely a character, just a mention that the girl has a boyfriend/husband but otherwise doesn't really participate in the story.
I do wonder if there's selection bias baked into that data because NTR stories aren't really something you'll see too much in more mainstream stuff whereas lovey dovey/vanilla is, thus driving fans of more taboo topics to places like DLsite that'll provide them what they want.
It's all the Korean content skewing the numbers. On purely Japanese (or Japanese translated) site the numbers are different. This is because Koreans are a NTR culture as they constantly get invaded and like it.
It's especially crazy when there was a study that came out that a big fantasy of women is getting NTRd and or raped which is just wild.... Also she just likes to watch relationships burn 😆 I personally hate when relationships are destroyed especially by something small or a misunderstanding
My guess is that girls in NTR stories usually perform spicier acts/fetishes while also having a bit more story drama than vanilla which as the name implies probably involves plainer stuff and leans more on sweetness than eroticism
Two characters slowly breaking apart… 5 centimetres per second is what I first thought of and if that’s what she’s thinking as well, hella respect for that
Even as someone who likes things involving number 2 on that list I still hate NTR. It's quite annoying to run across it so often when I'm looking for some good dominant female stuff.
It's always funny how if you wanna see a wholesome vainilla ...fan art you go for the demon lord or monster girl and the childhood friend-wife ended up in Ntr Also, not into that, but a lot of Ntr artist draw really well, that's the only reason I could understand the popularity (without the cuckoo fetish I mean)
I don't really understand the fetish either, but I've recently been researching it (I'm a H-Game developer) yes I know, haha, researching fetishes. But it is popular and I have had many players asking for it so if I'm going to ever think about adding it I want to do it right. But man, NTR is way way more complex than on the surface as a cuck fetish. There's like 6 different types. NTR is more of a broad descriptor for a bunch of other "subgenres".
"Why would I want to read normal relationship erohon when I already has a girlfriend?" "Only sad and lonely people read lovely vanilla doujin because they can't find real girlfriend" "So you have a girlfriend and still read r18 doujin?" "Yes, my girlfriend also loves BL sometimes we even reverse roles too" Some tweets I read years ago when I randomly clicked on the likes tap of East Asian people.
Actually that list Chloe showed is the female list not the male one because if it’s male it’s Loli and flat and pure love will easily fall into the top 5
Bruh I just found the sauce that made me understand ntr the hardest way possible like, holy heavens. I kinda relate to Chloe here for saying that she can't handle ntr one bit. Ironically speaking, I also found another Doujin that has ntr on it, but I accepted that specific Doujin *this* time.
The problem is the fact that NTR normaly have the best arts and thats what sells it for most people, when the woman is gorgeous and XXX scenes are well made the NTR part can be ignored...
So truuuue, just look at some Rocket Bunny works, they do some reeeeeally nasty stories with NTR (like that one blind guy who got cheated right in front of him and he can't see), but their art style is so fvcking good, but there's only one vanilla work called Primal that can heal your soul
That or it serve three fanbases at once and garners a lot of fans. Men who likes the power fantasy of getting the girl, submissive men who likes getting cucked, and women who likes aggressive men stealing them from boring relationships.
Yeah, never one for NTR either... but Chloe, really? Breakups? The more detailed the better? That's a special type of pain.... I'm almost tempted to try and write a light novel for this, now 😅
Been going to them R-18 sites for a while and a trend I've noticed is that the comments sections of the videos are full of raging pro-vanilla warriors who like to self-insert and have no ability to differentiate from fiction and reality. Judging off the like/dislike numbers, those people are the very vocal minority.
As an H-Game developer I was surprised how popular the category was and had quite a few people asking for it in my game. It's one of those genres I don't really "get" kind of like how I don't get how someone could actually be attracted to feet, but if players want it I'll do my best to understand what makes it good for people that do. So that's how NTR was but holy shit is this genre stupid complex because there're different types of NTR. I played one NTR game and I came out more confused about what makes it tick than before! As Shrek would say: "LAYERS!"
People are attracted to drama, negativity, and tragedy it seems. NTR means a lot of conflicting emotions in a way. This also tells me that a lot of people are burdened with stress of some level that causes them want to project it into a video they watch. Do they align with the victim or with the abuser?
There was a bit of discussion among some Japanese people who upload to DLsite because of the 5th tag being changed from ロリ to つるぺた. There was never a tag specifically for ロリ巨乳, so a lot of products used the ロリ tag along with other relevant tags to accurately represent the contents. Since a tag that had been around for a long time suddenly changed, years worth of ロリ巨乳 products which appropriately used the ロリ tag suddenly became misleadingly tagged with つるぺた. A lot of circles are just ignoring the change since their past works being fine to keep the tag set a precedent for つるぺた to still just mean ロリ in spite of the literal meaning being different.
Yes. Everyone is living with their brains destroyed. Also, the site she's referring to has a female list for tags women would shoot for and another for men. Sadly I know of it. NTR and its related Netori and Netorase tags absolutely qualify for deviance in the face of normal society and I think most people would feel like they got hit in the guts multiple times after either reading or watching one since there are so many ways of perceiving it. Netori is more accepted since the perspective is the person stealing someone else's love interest, so you have people who enjoy power play looking at it. Netorare is the person who was stolen from, and is almost always the one that leaves you either depressed, enraged, or both since it would normally injure the pride or offend or generally just upset the viewers of that material unless you enjoy the pain. Netorase is where the person being stolen from willingly lets it happen or even requests for it because they're voyeurs or just enjoy being cucked. Most viewers, at least that's what I think, would see it and go "what the f_ck is wrong with you?"
She probably would love Rocket Bunny works, they made some serious NTR shit that would make you puke (like the blind husband one, oh Lord take me home pls)
Yeah, It gets difficult to get back into more normal stuff once you truly submerge yourself into NTR. My heart yearns for vanilla (especially in visual novels and such), but I get off way, WAY better to NTR and other more extreme stuff, it isn't even funny.
@@ジャン-エリック That means you need to take a break to reset your brain. At least 3 weeks, ideally 5-to-6. Dopamine release from erotic content is like any other drug. The more you take, the more you need to get the same high next time.
Vanilla is good, but the true game is NTR. I don't like cheating stuff, but you gotta admit those bed scene in NTR are the best stuff ever drawn. Like the humans there be drooling while getting pressed by an entirely another human, and there will be sweat here and there, even on the sheets. While vanilla mostly cuddles-only
@@juldor93 That's why I said "mostly". There are vanilla stuff out there with rough and passionate scenes, but not many of them. While NTR selling point is to be rough and unforgiving. I don't mean like r*** or hypnotist. I meant more like stories where the soft girl got her maso-instinct awaken by the playboy senpai. Those genre can be found in the vanilla department as well, but mostly happened in NTR.
I like the way Chloe is confident in talking about things that only adults know, it shows that she understands them well and is comfortable telling people about it
Its depend, what the audience that ranking come from? (Male, female, which site, which group is voting...). Alot of ntr have very good art & the scene, setup, etc,... viewer just skip the ntr part, bc almost nobody care about story (like rocket monkey, author drawing is good, but 90% of his/her work is ntr, cheating)
That kinda reminds me of my female friend who loves NTR doujins and ASMR's; she has a boyfriend as well. I supposed frustrated girlfriends and wives are a big market getting #1 in DLsite.
I just read them for the plot I swear but seriously I don't know what it is but feels like majority of the best artists prefer NTR at least moreso than they do Vanilla
I mean I ain't into BL but I do understand where Chloe is coming from and she's right its not NTR she just likes the deterioration of relationships no cucking necessary
It's not super surprising, people in general like to fantasize on things that wouldn't really want to happen in real life to them. After all fantasize on what you already normally get doesn't make a lot of sense, just do the real thing in that case.
@@LorisEnsatzuken That said, for a lot of DL-site customers, they probably already don't get anything in real life. I know I for sure don't. *cries in lonely*
Yeah... I really don't bother with doujin websites cause I know that for some reason NTR is a popular thing. I don't get the appeal and quite frankly I don't ever want to. I'm quite the vanilla kind of guy with even my most "wild" fetishes being pretty tame compare to a lot of others especially in Japan. So yeah, I'm okay with being vanilla.
Number 1 is NTR, number 2 is male submissive, number 6 is reverse grape, and number 10 is femboy... You okay Japan bros? Also scat being number 12 is wild.
ntr is popular globally, its not just japan, go to any doujin site and ntr is always on trending while futanari is most popular with americans which is more questionable.
The ranking is for female one as some has stated. The male one is not the same. It’s quite obvious u can see those are tailored towards female. That list is the popularity ranking for Females
Me: Who the F likes break up stories? Sakamata: Me! Me: oh... As for the NTR tag, I will never understand why most of the best artists / art styles are found under that tag. I can simply ignore the story, but still. A bit of vanilla or at least not NTR would do them some good, even if just to add some variety. In any case, I am just glad I can blacklist some tags so they can't taint my eyes... if only more people tagged things properly. orz
NTR have very dedicated customer base because they don't have girlfriend, while people with girfriends don't need to consume much porn, so there's less demand for that, that is one factor though
Probably because the more "avant garde" the artist the better they are. Even Da Vinci was a bit coo-coo. He upended corpses to get those sketches. Saying not having a GF means less porn is a wild take tho
Only thing I see appealing about NTR is the tendency for good artists to use it as a theme, or to self-insert as the stealer. But even so, it's weird how popular it is.
As a lifelong porn addict, I always find it weird how many people love NTR and r*pe stuff. I like a lot of really weird stuff but those things are just the biggest turn off for me 😫hate reading a doujin with cool art and dialogue but it ends up in copypaste NTR lore
NTR is Non Toxic Relationship, right??? Sasuga Chloe, she shared her cultured taste with us without hesitation xD The one thing with NTR is the arts are so good sometimes. Guess you can enjoy them if you don't know the context 🤣
Chloe: I don't like NTR! Also Chloe: I like stories about breakups and relationships falling apart, the more detailed the better I take it she just doesn't like a third party being involved? Because otherwise, she's like 95% of the way to NTR Town already, and may as well walk on in.
As someone that truly knows and even enjoys A LOT of tags on there, NTR will never not be the most disgusting to me. I think it’s a mixture of its easily imaginable real life applicability and it involving other people. I don’t care if you enjoy gore, maggots or scat, for these are usually so ridiculous and out there that they aren’t particularly realistic. However, consuming NTR implies an eerie closeness to reality that’s hard to shake off. Betraying loved ones sexually usually is associated with trying to live a greater sex life without consequences, and being found out is their worst fear. While sacrificing your relationship with your loved one for momentary hedonistic desires is deplorable, it’s a far cry from NTR. NTR readers take this one step further and literally get ENJOYMENT from betraying their significant other. There’s nothing I find more repulsive in a person than knowing they’re into NTR, getting enjoyment from imagining betraying their loved ones. Literally any other tag would garner them more respect from me than this godforsaken horrible blight on doujins. Would someone into gore slash other people’s arms off? Probably not. Would someone that gets pleasure from imagining betraying their boyfriend every day eventually put this into reality? I think that’s very much realistic.
You definitely explained it better than when I tried to in my comment. People should give this a good read. People who enjoy Netorare, Netori, and Netorase, at least from the perspective of behavioral analysis, they show a trend for displaying covetousness, have experienced their close social bonds broken more often, or are seeking excitement if they simply aren't displaying sexual deviance. Looking at porn became normal, which was bad. Then looking at a type of porn that incites disgust, rage, and sadness in normal people who might view it is just frightening if it is giving a glimpse to the future actions of those who read it.
Closeness to reality? Bruh I consume ntr by detaching myself from all parties involved, neither the bull, the cuck, nor the bitch. I just like seeing the women getting immorally sloppy tho, so if the infidelity part is described in too great of a detail, it actually turns me off lol
Honestly most NTR stuff aren’t true NTR. People slap that on anything that has a bit of cheating or corruption in it (based on research done by my friend, trust me bro)
BL aside i do get the part being break up ending. Though depends since a lot of stories use ntr as main cause but simply break up without it is the best
Hard NO. I know there's ways to spice up a relationship's more "involved" aspects which are not akin to betrayal like this, and they not only deepen your dedication, they show the animal you are in your love with them. I loathe NTR with every fiber of my being, and I have good reasons. Chief among them is that my last, best relationship was _OUTRIGHT SABOTAGED_ by my own family who were motivated by horrible things not to be discussed here. *_So, yeah, to say my family & I are on tumultuous terms is the understatement of the year._* That led to someone else getting up in a chat and taunting me, saying that I wasn't needed as "she doesn't need to talk to anyone else anymore"… as if he has any right to dictate every moment of her life like an abusive, obsessive one, keep her from having normal friends and her own personal life. Haven't heard from him or from her ever again. It's not arousing in the slightest, it's FACKING TERRIBLE. I take EVERY measure possible to blacklist the NTR tag and everything tied to it, cut them out entirely, remove from my sight anything that would so severely tilt me and remind me of what was done unto me. I will get up and LEAVE before I let myself be taken by that temptation.
It’s not #1 jp. That popularity list is for females. It’s not the popularity list for males. Chloe didn’t even point it out and some has stated in this post that it is the female popularity list because the male popularity list isn’t the same.
I've never understood why people hate NTR so much specifically. It's hardly the most unethical of tags in comparison to some of the other really extreme ones. It's not my thing at all, it's just that I notice a weird obsessive hate with it that I see other people having with NTR specifically.
I guess it is because NTR as a fetish is pretty unique in that it is meant to cause some level of emotional pain / distress in the reader. Many probably just don't react well with that sort of thing, and not many other genres do that. There's also the fact "cheating" tag almost never receives hate, despite it and NTR being the same thing, just that the former tag lacks the emotional pain and any real story involvement from the person being cheated on. I've also seen a lot of complaints about NTR stories just always being more of the same thing, just like Isekai in the anime side.
Average comment section for ""non-con"": It's just fiction so anyone who gets offended by this is stupid. Can't you tell the difference between fantasy and reality? Average comment section for NTR: I'm crying and pissing and shitting myself. Society is doomed. anyone who likes this should immediately go to jail.
The list is the female popularity list. This isn’t the male popularity list. It’s quite obvious. Some has already pointed out that there are 2 versions of it. 1 is male and 1 is female. Chloe didn’t bother to correct herself when she talked about it.
The thing about NTR is - it often tells the story from the cucked side so the readers feel like it’s their PoV, like they’re the losers. Unless they truly have a cuckold fetish, it’s a big turn-off. However, there is a way out for vanilla-oriented consumers. If they could transcend the losers’ PoV and self-insert as Mr. Gigachad gf stealer instead, they would likely be able to enjoy it to the fullest.
There's a H manga where the girl got blackmailed and, at first, she doesn't like doing sexual things with other than her bf, but gradually she starts to like him and get real pleasure with him. Her bf finds out everything and she admits to him her lover's better in any sexual meaning than the BF and try to end their relationship, later on he accepts the affair, in exchange he gets to see her girl gangbanged (some other friend of her lover came in) but still get her heart. I.e, she would never fall in love with their lovers but will only get sexual pleasure with them instead of her own BF. If you read that shit, the last thing you'll want to be is like this man who blackmailed someone's girlfriend, much less the BF. What a dumb piece of shit, but that's what japanese people likes 😂
Im guessing it really depends on how "numb" you are to the emotive segment. Most males viewership would hate NTR cause the shoes are too similar of a pov, while female would be fine since the lady's having the romp of her life What really makes this egregious tho is the in-baked fear stirring. It's like predating on "What if I'm not good enough","what if someone """superior""" comes along?" It's like a bad dream prophecy too close to real that you can't ignore
The irony... vanilla has the best toppings, the story is so beautiful and romantic. On the other hand ntr has some burnt meat and spoiled cheese as toppings😂
-likes when someone gets dumped
-likes when someone gets rejected and they never go back to being friends
-likes break ups
Jesus Christ, Chloe, who *HURT* you? 😰
Not sure if someone hurt her already, or she is just craving the pain...
@@OtakuDono It hurts but she doesn't dislike the pain.
The guy was weak (simp) at the beginning relationship or the girl was tricked or blackmailed into cheating. The majority of plots for ntr.
The men always lead not the women. This why strong men get the women all the time.
If i recall correctly, she's possessed / haunted by something
Maybe that something affects her taste
It's sounds like she went after someone's else's boyfriend, that failed, and she's still bitter about it.
Chloe: "I don't like NTR."
Me: "Could this woman be one of my people?"
Chloe: "I prefer watching relationships slowly and permanently crumble."
Me: "....No, no she is not."
Ntr and pregnancy being top 3 is fucking wild lmfao
Abe must be somewhat happy that people are at least interested in something pregnancy-related lol
Meanwhile, the West has its step-siblings...
Honestly those books push pregnancy and unprotected sex so incredibly aggressively that you have to wonder if there isn't a government program to incentivise including those tags in your work.
I think Abe is fairly indifferent about anything nowadays... 😅
@@SillyMakesVids probably cause without "step" is forbiden www
To be fair, if pregnancy is in the top 3 taboo... The whole country has a real problem 😅
For anyone curious about the whole list:
1- NTR
2- Submissive men
3- Pregnancy
4- Futanari
5- Flat chest
6- Reverse-rape (IOW, woman-on-man)
7- Nipple-teasing
8- 3D productions
9- Downfall (or turning to evil)
10- Otoko no ko (traps)
11- Trance/hypnosis
12- Scat
13- Nakadashi (coming inside)
14- Tentacles
15- Moaning
16- Commanding/forceful
17- Onee-san&shota (Older girl+little boy)
18- Ear-licking
19- Gender-bending/TS (usually done in a fantastical manner)
Personally, I'm a little sad that anal and gangbangs aren't even on that list.
Sounds like a list made by females and males have their own list.
@@RyuSaarva Oh right. DLsite does have a girls' side, so I guess that makes sense.
What about Ahegao?
the one tag that looks really out of the norm is scat I guess, other than that the list doesn't look too bad on an adult site.
12 some shit stuff
Gomen Yuuka
Look, no wonder the best ones are with both Yuuka and Noa sharing and caring, don't hurt Yuuka-chan...
Gomenee aowkwkwk
💀💀💀💀💀
love yuuka
I once saw a comment that said that a lot of the people viewing NTR stuff imagine themselves as the guy stealing the girl and not the guy getting his girl stolen from
I guess it brings on a power fantasy of being able to take someone elses loved one
There are 3 perspectives. You’re the guy stealing, the guy getting stolen from, or the girl getting railed. NTR truly is a versatile genre.
girl doing the stealing as well
To be more exact, there is Netorare, Netori and Netorase. Netori is the power fantasy one, with the protagonist doing the "stealing." Netorare is the one where the protagonist has his/her special one stolen (the one stolen doesn't necessarily have to be in romantic relationship with the protagonist, he/she just has to be "special" to the protagonist and the protagonist has to be aware of it all). Netorase is the protagonist willingly letting / requesting his/her loved one to sleep with someone else. There is also "cheating" tag, which generally differs in that the one being cheated on has no awareness of the whole thing and usually has no active role in the story.
I guess you can enjoy a netorare story from the perspective of netori (I can think of number of examples where I've done so as well), but generally most NTR stories would be planned as just being one of them. Netorase has a high chance of turning into actual netorare, though (such works are probably my favourite).
@@ジャン-エリック I would argue that most of what is called NTR is Netori coded, they have the guy suffering but is hardly the focus, meanwhile stories that really focus on how much the protagonist is suffering and the story being almost always from his perspective is the type of stuff that turns off even the 'NTR enjoyers'
id say maybe years ago the perspective was on the guy being cucked but as someone who's been reading NTR for quite some time now, its shifted to being more of the girl's pov and there's less of seeing the cuck's pov. in fact sometimes he's barely a character, just a mention that the girl has a boyfriend/husband but otherwise doesn't really participate in the story.
I feel like, I can hear the manager screaming.
I do wonder if there's selection bias baked into that data because NTR stories aren't really something you'll see too much in more mainstream stuff whereas lovey dovey/vanilla is, thus driving fans of more taboo topics to places like DLsite that'll provide them what they want.
most are untranslated, best are too, tl are lazy to tl big ntr games
untranslated stuff
It's all the Korean content skewing the numbers. On purely Japanese (or Japanese translated) site the numbers are different. This is because Koreans are a NTR culture as they constantly get invaded and like it.
ntr always got the hottest girls as well
@@Theranthrope that suddenly escalated
Ah yes, Japan and NTR, who would've thunk.
The list is for female though. It’s not the male list
@@brianchuang2 I bet there would be even more, then.
It's especially crazy when there was a study that came out that a big fantasy of women is getting NTRd and or raped which is just wild....
Also she just likes to watch relationships burn 😆 I personally hate when relationships are destroyed especially by something small or a misunderstanding
It's worth mentioning that #5 is loli (which DLsite renamed as tsurupettan because of american credit card company problems).
I'm a tsurupettan enjoyer from now on. No more lolis
It’s actually just called “petite” now for the same reasons :)
Also the list that she mentioned is not the male list but the female list
Wait what was the site that used hiyokko again?
She doesn't like the faceless oji-san. But that's me! I'm the faceless oji-san!
You thought I was a handsome man, but it was ME! FACELESS OJI-SAN!
She can be good buddies with Matsuri and Senchou XD
Knowing the way she acts with Shion, I imagined that she didn't like ntr
My guess is that girls in NTR stories usually perform spicier acts/fetishes while also having a bit more story drama than vanilla which as the name implies probably involves plainer stuff and leans more on sweetness than eroticism
I'm just remembering this bit where the guy said *"There is no way it's happening, so Vanilla is the TRUE Netorare."*
The major topcis of H was always wild. 80s and 90s were like tentacles, monsters and some other stuff. 2000s were like sweet home Alabama n stuff.
Two characters slowly breaking apart… 5 centimetres per second is what I first thought of and if that’s what she’s thinking as well, hella respect for that
Even as someone who likes things involving number 2 on that list I still hate NTR. It's quite annoying to run across it so often when I'm looking for some good dominant female stuff.
After such discovery, Chloe is probably having PTSD of her "relationships" with Lui.
"Seems like everyone likes having their brain destroyed."
Chloe's taste reminds me of Summer's Shade, Natsu no Zenjitsu
It's always funny how if you wanna see a wholesome vainilla ...fan art you go for the demon lord or monster girl and the childhood friend-wife ended up in Ntr
Also, not into that, but a lot of Ntr artist draw really well, that's the only reason I could understand the popularity (without the cuckoo fetish I mean)
I don't really understand the fetish either, but I've recently been researching it (I'm a H-Game developer) yes I know, haha, researching fetishes.
But it is popular and I have had many players asking for it so if I'm going to ever think about adding it I want to do it right.
But man, NTR is way way more complex than on the surface as a cuck fetish. There's like 6 different types. NTR is more of a broad descriptor for a bunch of other "subgenres".
Guilty as charged your honor ☝️😩
"Why would I want to read normal relationship erohon when I already has a girlfriend?"
"Only sad and lonely people read lovely vanilla doujin because they can't find real girlfriend"
"So you have a girlfriend and still read r18 doujin?"
"Yes, my girlfriend also loves BL sometimes we even reverse roles too"
Some tweets I read years ago when I randomly clicked on the likes tap of East Asian people.
Actually that list Chloe showed is the female list not the male one because if it’s male it’s Loli and flat and pure love will easily fall into the top 5
The 1960s predicted it all.
tbf DL site hardly has anything tagged "vanilla"... even if they are. so that's a factor to take into consideration.
It’s not that. It’s that the list is woman’s popularity list.
@@brianchuang2 "DLSite don't tag vanilla as vanilla" is still true and a factor.
Bruh I just found the sauce that made me understand ntr the hardest way possible like, holy heavens. I kinda relate to Chloe here for saying that she can't handle ntr one bit.
Ironically speaking, I also found another Doujin that has ntr on it, but I accepted that specific Doujin *this* time.
Funny but the list she saw is the popularity list for woman
@@brianchuang2 Wow. She's into yuri I see. That's quite cultured of her. But the pain of learning ntr the hard way will never disappear.
The problem is the fact that NTR normaly have the best arts and thats what sells it for most people, when the woman is gorgeous and XXX scenes are well made the NTR part can be ignored...
Yeah fr
I just blank out the other parts and the dialogue
True, it's not really about the NTR, it's mostly about how it has the best scenes and designs.
So truuuue, just look at some Rocket Bunny works, they do some reeeeeally nasty stories with NTR (like that one blind guy who got cheated right in front of him and he can't see), but their art style is so fvcking good, but there's only one vanilla work called Primal that can heal your soul
Nah, no way in hell I'm gonna ignore NTR. I want the sexy girls without this gross stuff
That or it serve three fanbases at once and garners a lot of fans. Men who likes the power fantasy of getting the girl, submissive men who likes getting cucked, and women who likes aggressive men stealing them from boring relationships.
Yeah, never one for NTR either... but Chloe, really? Breakups? The more detailed the better? That's a special type of pain....
I'm almost tempted to try and write a light novel for this, now 😅
Something like bittersweet or similarly, very hard to get it right
"Doesnt that mean we are the weird ones?"
Tell her this: in an insane world it is the sane who are crazy
Been going to them R-18 sites for a while and a trend I've noticed is that the comments sections of the videos are full of raging pro-vanilla warriors who like to self-insert and have no ability to differentiate from fiction and reality. Judging off the like/dislike numbers, those people are the very vocal minority.
@@sevenmilano tbh why do ppl even self-insert tho?
As an H-Game developer I was surprised how popular the category was and had quite a few people asking for it in my game.
It's one of those genres I don't really "get" kind of like how I don't get how someone could actually be attracted to feet, but if players want it I'll do my best to understand what makes it good for people that do.
So that's how NTR was but holy shit is this genre stupid complex because there're different types of NTR. I played one NTR game and I came out more confused about what makes it tick than before!
As Shrek would say: "LAYERS!"
Wow great clip, Chloe is great and her tastes are unique 🎣 Loves break ups that is crazy lol
People are attracted to drama, negativity, and tragedy it seems.
NTR means a lot of conflicting emotions in a way.
This also tells me that a lot of people are burdened with stress of some level that causes them want to project it into a video they watch.
Do they align with the victim or with the abuser?
There was a bit of discussion among some Japanese people who upload to DLsite because of the 5th tag being changed from ロリ to つるぺた. There was never a tag specifically for ロリ巨乳, so a lot of products used the ロリ tag along with other relevant tags to accurately represent the contents. Since a tag that had been around for a long time suddenly changed, years worth of ロリ巨乳 products which appropriately used the ロリ tag suddenly became misleadingly tagged with つるぺた. A lot of circles are just ignoring the change since their past works being fine to keep the tag set a precedent for つるぺた to still just mean ロリ in spite of the literal meaning being different.
Also the list is actually not man but woman.
You can thank Michael Neko for that.
Yes. Everyone is living with their brains destroyed. Also, the site she's referring to has a female list for tags women would shoot for and another for men. Sadly I know of it.
NTR and its related Netori and Netorase tags absolutely qualify for deviance in the face of normal society and I think most people would feel like they got hit in the guts multiple times after either reading or watching one since there are so many ways of perceiving it. Netori is more accepted since the perspective is the person stealing someone else's love interest, so you have people who enjoy power play looking at it. Netorare is the person who was stolen from, and is almost always the one that leaves you either depressed, enraged, or both since it would normally injure the pride or offend or generally just upset the viewers of that material unless you enjoy the pain. Netorase is where the person being stolen from willingly lets it happen or even requests for it because they're voyeurs or just enjoy being cucked. Most viewers, at least that's what I think, would see it and go "what the f_ck is wrong with you?"
Every day, we stray further from God's light.
I mean... NTR is many people's dream and/or fantasy. The stealing part, not the getting stolen part.
I thought she was talking about X.
Orca is cultured.
Damn, she reads these to be depressed.
I get it, but damn.
She probably would love Rocket Bunny works, they made some serious NTR shit that would make you puke (like the blind husband one, oh Lord take me home pls)
The only ntr I can handle is netori, but even with that it leaves a bad after taste
0:17 I don't like where this is going...
0:59 she just like me!! 😍😍
1:03 BL?! 😦
I don’t understand NTR
NTR somehow reaching #1 in a popularity. I'd say that's kinda crazy, but then I've also did myself into the NTR pool willing and won't come out.
Yeah, It gets difficult to get back into more normal stuff once you truly submerge yourself into NTR. My heart yearns for vanilla (especially in visual novels and such), but I get off way, WAY better to NTR and other more extreme stuff, it isn't even funny.
@@ジャン-エリック visual novels I know are still good for me in truly going for something normal. But NTR outside that just hits a certain way.
@@ジャン-エリック That means you need to take a break to reset your brain. At least 3 weeks, ideally 5-to-6. Dopamine release from erotic content is like any other drug. The more you take, the more you need to get the same high next time.
@@ジャン-エリック Same, it's been some time since I've got off without some of my more "extreme" fetishes
@@ジャン-エリック try swappint ntr, i recommend it 😵
Vanilla is good, but the true game is NTR. I don't like cheating stuff, but you gotta admit those bed scene in NTR are the best stuff ever drawn. Like the humans there be drooling while getting pressed by an entirely another human, and there will be sweat here and there, even on the sheets. While vanilla mostly cuddles-only
Naah you're just biased. There is plenty of vanilla with scenes that you think are only in ntr.
@@juldor93IDK man, feels like 90% of the best doujin artists are doing NTR stuff, vanilla usually ends up having some very stiff art in comparison
@@juldor93 That's why I said "mostly". There are vanilla stuff out there with rough and passionate scenes, but not many of them. While NTR selling point is to be rough and unforgiving.
I don't mean like r*** or hypnotist. I meant more like stories where the soft girl got her maso-instinct awaken by the playboy senpai. Those genre can be found in the vanilla department as well, but mostly happened in NTR.
Have you heard about Rocket Bunny? They do some acceptable NTR and some reeeeeally NTR bullshit. But in all of them, the artwork is just astonishing.
I like the way Chloe is confident in talking about things that only adults know, it shows that she understands them well and is comfortable telling people about it
Scat at 12th 💀💀💀
I can still enjoy ntr and guro, but that... that scares me 💀
Its depend, what the audience that ranking come from? (Male, female, which site, which group is voting...). Alot of ntr have very good art & the scene, setup, etc,... viewer just skip the ntr part, bc almost nobody care about story (like rocket monkey, author drawing is good, but 90% of his/her work is ntr, cheating)
That kinda reminds me of my female friend who loves NTR doujins and ASMR's; she has a boyfriend as well. I supposed frustrated girlfriends and wives are a big market getting #1 in DLsite.
I just read them for the plot I swear but seriously I don't know what it is but feels like majority of the best artists prefer NTR at least moreso than they do Vanilla
For people who are concerned about japan with their NTR
Pretty sure Incest is one of the top genre in western pron
Pick your poison
It isn't our fault we have bad parents; Europe taught us how to live in the world and keeping it in the family is part of that.
Shit I'll take Ntr. The thought of taking someone else wife is at least a power trip fantasy.
I don't like NTR but the art is just too damn good that i just don't read the story and skim through pages.
I mean I ain't into BL but I do understand where Chloe is coming from and she's right its not NTR she just likes the deterioration of relationships no cucking necessary
Corruption then.
は！？NTR！？？
僕は絶対にNTRを許しません😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I mean how can we help it? Like, name 5 NTR works that have bad art/graphic
Number 1 is ntr?
Japan is doomed💀
It's not super surprising, people in general like to fantasize on things that wouldn't really want to happen in real life to them. After all fantasize on what you already normally get doesn't make a lot of sense, just do the real thing in that case.
isn't porn like 99% ntr?
@@midori4713 only if you're NOT in relationship with someone
@@LorisEnsatzuken That said, for a lot of DL-site customers, they probably already don't get anything in real life. I know I for sure don't.
*cries in lonely*
Japan needs it for their declining birth rates 😅
She's clearly only talking about yaoi here. Ain't no straight ero doujin in the history of humanity where you get no N and only TR, LMAO.
It is fucking insane that femdom is not #1, that shit is so good
I guess it makes sense for ntr to be the first one if your husband is always working and you do it once a month xd.
Yeah... I really don't bother with doujin websites cause I know that for some reason NTR is a popular thing. I don't get the appeal and quite frankly I don't ever want to. I'm quite the vanilla kind of guy with even my most "wild" fetishes being pretty tame compare to a lot of others especially in Japan. So yeah, I'm okay with being vanilla.
Submissive man? kinda based
(Said the submissive man, me)
When the Heroine is "happy", there's no bad end in NTR. 😅
Number 1 is NTR, number 2 is male submissive, number 6 is reverse grape, and number 10 is femboy... You okay Japan bros?
Also scat being number 12 is wild.
Seems perfectly normal for Japan.
Scat is 10??? Wtf
ntr is popular globally, its not just japan, go to any doujin site and ntr is always on trending while futanari is most popular with americans which is more questionable.
@@moggless Futa's 4 on that list as well.
I see why they have a declining population now..
Based #5 btw also Idol btw
well.....chloe is ntr all the time in the holoverse
Personally I think those rankings are fake.
The ranking is for female one as some has stated. The male one is not the same. It’s quite obvious u can see those are tailored towards female. That list is the popularity ranking for Females
Me: Who the F likes break up stories?
Sakamata: Me!
Me: oh...
As for the NTR tag, I will never understand why most of the best artists / art styles are found under that tag. I can simply ignore the story, but still. A bit of vanilla or at least not NTR would do them some good, even if just to add some variety.
In any case, I am just glad I can blacklist some tags so they can't taint my eyes... if only more people tagged things properly. orz
NTR have very dedicated customer base because they don't have girlfriend, while people with girfriends don't need to consume much porn, so there's less demand for that, that is one factor though
Probably because the more "avant garde" the artist the better they are. Even Da Vinci was a bit coo-coo. He upended corpses to get those sketches.
Saying not having a GF means less porn is a wild take tho
Only thing I see appealing about NTR is the tendency for good artists to use it as a theme, or to self-insert as the stealer. But even so, it's weird how popular it is.
As a lifelong porn addict, I always find it weird how many people love NTR and r*pe stuff. I like a lot of really weird stuff but those things are just the biggest turn off for me 😫hate reading a doujin with cool art and dialogue but it ends up in copypaste NTR lore
Sakamata Chloe? Is this really you?
NTR is Non Toxic Relationship, right???
Sasuga Chloe, she shared her cultured taste with us without hesitation xD
The one thing with NTR is the arts are so good sometimes. Guess you can enjoy them if you don't know the context 🤣
Not just ntr i also dont like romance+drama. Im fine with romance+comedy
Chloe: I don't like NTR!
Also Chloe: I like stories about breakups and relationships falling apart, the more detailed the better
I take it she just doesn't like a third party being involved? Because otherwise, she's like 95% of the way to NTR Town already, and may as well walk on in.
As someone that truly knows and even enjoys A LOT of tags on there, NTR will never not be the most disgusting to me.
I think it’s a mixture of its easily imaginable real life applicability and it involving other people.
I don’t care if you enjoy gore, maggots or scat, for these are usually so ridiculous and out there that they aren’t particularly realistic.
However, consuming NTR implies an eerie closeness to reality that’s hard to shake off. Betraying loved ones sexually usually is associated with trying to live a greater sex life without consequences, and being found out is their worst fear. While sacrificing your relationship with your loved one for momentary hedonistic desires is deplorable, it’s a far cry from NTR.
NTR readers take this one step further and literally get ENJOYMENT from betraying their significant other. There’s nothing I find more repulsive in a person than knowing they’re into NTR, getting enjoyment from imagining betraying their loved ones. Literally any other tag would garner them more respect from me than this godforsaken horrible blight on doujins.
Would someone into gore slash other people’s arms off? Probably not. Would someone that gets pleasure from imagining betraying their boyfriend every day eventually put this into reality? I think that’s very much realistic.
You definitely explained it better than when I tried to in my comment. People should give this a good read. People who enjoy Netorare, Netori, and Netorase, at least from the perspective of behavioral analysis, they show a trend for displaying covetousness, have experienced their close social bonds broken more often, or are seeking excitement if they simply aren't displaying sexual deviance.
Looking at porn became normal, which was bad. Then looking at a type of porn that incites disgust, rage, and sadness in normal people who might view it is just frightening if it is giving a glimpse to the future actions of those who read it.
Closeness to reality? Bruh I consume ntr by detaching myself from all parties involved, neither the bull, the cuck, nor the bitch. I just like seeing the women getting immorally sloppy tho, so if the infidelity part is described in too great of a detail, it actually turns me off lol
There is also the layer of corruption that's added to a lot of NTR stories that people enjoy.
Personally I can't stand it, which is why it's so annoying that this genre is the one that tends to get the best artist
the east has fallen 💀
Well tbh, I don't think people really like NTR itself but it tends to have some of the best art styles or quality at least that's how I look at it
NTR has some crazy good art.
Honestly most NTR stuff aren’t true NTR. People slap that on anything that has a bit of cheating or corruption in it
(based on research done by my friend, trust me bro)
Main reason i don't like NTR, it's always result a bad ending
Very few stories have it where the main guy turns it around.
BL aside i do get the part being break up ending. Though depends since a lot of stories use ntr as main cause but simply break up without it is the best
That's the problem with Japan's population.
Too much taking, not enough making!
Hard NO. I know there's ways to spice up a relationship's more "involved" aspects which are not akin to betrayal like this, and they not only deepen your dedication, they show the animal you are in your love with them.
I loathe NTR with every fiber of my being, and I have good reasons. Chief among them is that my last, best relationship was _OUTRIGHT SABOTAGED_ by my own family who were motivated by horrible things not to be discussed here. *_So, yeah, to say my family & I are on tumultuous terms is the understatement of the year._* That led to someone else getting up in a chat and taunting me, saying that I wasn't needed as "she doesn't need to talk to anyone else anymore"… as if he has any right to dictate every moment of her life like an abusive, obsessive one, keep her from having normal friends and her own personal life. Haven't heard from him or from her ever again. It's not arousing in the slightest, it's FACKING TERRIBLE. I take EVERY measure possible to blacklist the NTR tag and everything tied to it, cut them out entirely, remove from my sight anything that would so severely tilt me and remind me of what was done unto me. I will get up and LEAVE before I let myself be taken by that temptation.
bruh how is that #1 ???? only jp likes that stuff so much to make it #1 !!!!
Would be nice if that were the case. But if English speakers weren't into that why do so many get fan translated?
@@obake6290 because they're top sellers in jp and because they usually have good art unfortunately
It’s not #1 jp. That popularity list is for females. It’s not the popularity list for males. Chloe didn’t even point it out and some has stated in this post that it is the female popularity list because the male popularity list isn’t the same.
@@brianchuang2 except that's not true. The two different lists are for users and for creators and this one is for users
I've never understood why people hate NTR so much specifically. It's hardly the most unethical of tags in comparison to some of the other really extreme ones. It's not my thing at all, it's just that I notice a weird obsessive hate with it that I see other people having with NTR specifically.
IRL past experiences
they project themselves onto the cuck.and take it personally
I guess it is because NTR as a fetish is pretty unique in that it is meant to cause some level of emotional pain / distress in the reader. Many probably just don't react well with that sort of thing, and not many other genres do that. There's also the fact "cheating" tag almost never receives hate, despite it and NTR being the same thing, just that the former tag lacks the emotional pain and any real story involvement from the person being cheated on.
I've also seen a lot of complaints about NTR stories just always being more of the same thing, just like Isekai in the anime side.
Average comment section for ""non-con"": It's just fiction so anyone who gets offended by this is stupid. Can't you tell the difference between fantasy and reality?
Average comment section for NTR: I'm crying and pissing and shitting myself. Society is doomed. anyone who likes this should immediately go to jail.
Apparently cuz they self-insert. I self-insert, too, but don't really get it tbh.
I don't read NTR, I consume the good art 👌👌
Sadly NTR is probably popular in Japan because cheating is also incredibly rampant there.
Sakamata when she heard about Aqua's graduation: :D
The popularity the woman one not the man one
The list is the female popularity list. This isn’t the male popularity list. It’s quite obvious. Some has already pointed out that there are 2 versions of it. 1 is male and 1 is female. Chloe didn’t bother to correct herself when she talked about it.
Ntr is disgusting
Best genre fr
I suspect its the industry that is manipulating the audience towards that content.
West should know well that the industry can do it this way.
It’s not that. That is the female popularity list. There’s a male popularity list also. There’s 2 of it just that Chloe one is the female one
The thing about NTR is - it often tells the story from the cucked side so the readers feel like it’s their PoV, like they’re the losers. Unless they truly have a cuckold fetish, it’s a big turn-off. However, there is a way out for vanilla-oriented consumers. If they could transcend the losers’ PoV and self-insert as Mr. Gigachad gf stealer instead, they would likely be able to enjoy it to the fullest.
Personally, I don't get any enjoyment from causing pain to others, so I don't like NTR either way. Although maybe I'm just overthinking things.
There's a H manga where the girl got blackmailed and, at first, she doesn't like doing sexual things with other than her bf, but gradually she starts to like him and get real pleasure with him. Her bf finds out everything and she admits to him her lover's better in any sexual meaning than the BF and try to end their relationship, later on he accepts the affair, in exchange he gets to see her girl gangbanged (some other friend of her lover came in) but still get her heart. I.e, she would never fall in love with their lovers but will only get sexual pleasure with them instead of her own BF.
If you read that shit, the last thing you'll want to be is like this man who blackmailed someone's girlfriend, much less the BF. What a dumb piece of shit, but that's what japanese people likes 😂
Im guessing it really depends on how "numb" you are to the emotive segment. Most males viewership would hate NTR cause the shoes are too similar of a pov, while female would be fine since the lady's having the romp of her life
What really makes this egregious tho is the in-baked fear stirring. It's like predating on "What if I'm not good enough","what if someone """superior""" comes along?" It's like a bad dream prophecy too close to real that you can't ignore
Ntr > vanilla
Look, that's the guy of video who threw sh** at Elira, and told her to f-herself, stopping supporting his ex-oshi and Nijisanji forever.
I'm convinced that people who prefer vanilla NSFW content are people whose favourite pizza has no toppings on it. None of it's real, live a little.
The irony... vanilla has the best toppings, the story is so beautiful and romantic. On the other hand ntr has some burnt meat and spoiled cheese as toppings😂
NTR is good when looking, but when you eat it, oh my god. Disgusting
Hey it’s respectable to enjoy such time to time, next level up in love is yandere. Maybe add vampire to that. And after that… well… cannibalism.
If someone genuinely likes NTR they need therapy
"That boy needs therapy."
Ew, who wants to read ntr?
Guys who got dumped or virgins who don't have girlfriend or guys who have strange fetishes
The majority of DLSite users, apparently.
Better that than loli/shota stuff i suppose.
@@Mr.Silence. All bad
@@ProtoArrow agreed