2 Deck vs 6 Deck: Which Is Better for Blackjack?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- If you're counting cards should you be playing Double deck games or 6 deck & 8 deck games? Is Single deck still a thing? In this video Colin is going to explain the pros and cons for each type of game and tell you which one you should be playing.
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So glad you keep dropping videos!
Thanks for doing your best on staying consistent with the monthly uploads. Great vid as always. Thanks colin👏🏽
I love HU 6D now. Favorite game to play. great video, as is the rest of the course!
My local casino has a double deck game but the pen is 3/4 of a deck. It was definitely faster and my bets varied quickly. I'll need more practice before spending more time at double deck.
where is this at?
@@ScenesWithDean Hollywood Casino at Charles Town Races, WV.
@@robevans9942 out at hollywood in grantville PA they only have 8 deck 3:2
@@robevans9942 yup 100$ minimums there and deck pen is poop. They also won’t let’s you vary bets over a 1-5 spread
I actually kind of like double deck, many dealers have helped me under their breath haaaa
First time I ever card counted was a double deck, 3:2, with about a deck + 1/3 penetration. Made a few hundred bucks but I got hooked on counting
where was this?
@@vishweshberia8917 El Cortez on Fremont Street in Vegas
In my experience, casinos pay much more attention to you on double deck, with the exception of low stakes players whose max bet isn't too high. So annoying! That is why gutsiness is key. KC from Inside the Edge had to limit his action to 15-20 minute sessions every shift, because the games were so lucrative.
I've been wondering about this a lot. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
@@Blackjackapprenticeship very informative
Your thumbnails leveled up
Lost $400 in 20 minutes my first time playing blackjack 10 years ago (vacation in NZ). Bought three books on the way home and did not return until I finished them. Made close to $2000 over my next 10 trips just using basic strategy. Man that felt good! 10 years later I’m learning that was also a bit of luck, card counting is legal and Colin can teach me? I’m F in!!! I will be signing up for the course. Thank you for all the free content. I hope to meet someday.
That's some great luck you had there
I love your channel man, I’m learning so much. Thanks for exposing casinos. I’m putting my time in and taking card counting seriously. I will be the Batman and the Casino is Joker 🃏, I’m taking them down!
I get to actually comment on your videos now without worrying about giving away that I count. 😂
Yeah I wished I'd tried double deck earlier! Once you get the hang of the whole face-down thing it's great!
My favourite game is a Vegas game where they deal double deck from a shoe face up. So nice. 😃
was just in Vegas last week. What casino was dealing that?
@@Gizmo_- Green Valley Ranch and New York New York have face up. My home Casino Morongo has face up double deck too. Double deck is the best
@@ajvaronos5916 What do these double decks pay out on a blackjack? 6:5 or 3:2? Thanks.
@@texasrebel7754 They pay 3 to 2 the thing is tho is they only do 50% deck penetration so its kinda hit or miss.
Steven, I binged watched your videos so much that I literally learned about Colin through your first time in America in Vegas- RUclips is legit full circle haha
Great information, thank you
I read your book, it was awesome!
The other thing with a heads up shoe is that if you can play really fast, dealers can and do make mistakes. They go against you sometimes, so it's important to make sure you never miss those. But if you can play fast enough for them to make mistakes and all of the mistakes go against them, it does add a little to EV. It's surprising how often this happens.
Are you helping cause the mistakes? I've seen players purposefully celebrate awkward losses and pushes as wins that cause the dealer to pay them out occasionally. Usually works best when there are a bunch of low cards out so the math is harder for the dealer and they think yeah it looks like a 19 when it's actually an 18.
Hey Collin! Just wondering if you have a video that discusses any statistical advantages to running 1 or more numbers of shoes? I.e I walk up to an empty blackjack table, how many boxes is it best to play? Is 1 box the same odds as 3 boxes? Thanks in advance! Love your work…
Hey Colin, could we get more David and Dusty videos? Keep the awesome content up!
I don't play blackjack. But I like watching. At one casino they were using six decks, a shuffling machine, hand shuffling also, double cut card, and not going past around 50% into the six shoe deck before starting the shuffling process again.
Only table in our casino that doesnt have CSM are double deck bj. Thanks for the video!
you have gotten alot better at doing these since this one.
The aim is always to improve, whether its on the felt or on video haha
Colin, in the state of PA there is only one casino nearby that is an hour away compared to another that is 3 hours away. I go to the one that is closest though it is an 8 deck shoe. I have noticed they usually cut off 1.5 decks. Is it worth playing? Or should I travel further for a 6 deck shoe.
Regarding two deck pitch being slower than shoe: True if there are other players at the table, especially players who are not accustomed to pitch games. But if you can get heads up with a fast dealer, you can really crank out the hands.
Good videos agree but Id say more that basic strategy allows you to remove guessing and maintain composure knowing that even though you lost 4 times in a row doubling on 11 your going to win in the end and therefore mindset is most important BC it equalls gameplan practice composure
Another video about a very recent question of mine. Timing was very apropos with this one
"If it's just you and the dealer" Yeah. What sucks the most is that you could have 3 or 4 tables with nobody there and inevitably, like moths drawn to a flame, when you sit down, 2-3 people decide NOW is the time to sit at your table. So frustrating!! lol
This annoys the hell out of me too. Often times at my Casino the Blackjack tables can be dead. So when I get to the tables, all of the tables have a deck that's halfway played and the dealers don't shuffle. So I'm just losing EV playing basic strategy trying to get to the reshuffle. Then the moment I do, the ploppies come.
Recently I've gotten better at telling people "Hey I've lost a lot of money, can I have this table to myself so I can try to win back my money? There are several other tables that are also open." And I haven't had any backlash yet.
@@thefinestfootage1757 you can count mid shoe too, ya know. Starting to count cards at the start of the shoe and counting cards from the middle of the shoe makes no difference. Just divide the running count by the number of decks with unknown cards to get the true count.
@@danielyuan9862 This is horrible advice. You mathematically have a better edge by playing Basic Strategy over assuming the count is neutral when you jump in.
Imagine the scenario where it's it's 6 deck shoe. You're not there to see it but all the face cards come out within the first 3 decks. Then you get to the table and start counting and notice a whole whack load of low cards. So you think the count is really good, but actually it's not. All your deviations and bet spread will be highly inaccurate.
@@thefinestfootage1757 additionally, if you come in a 6d with 3 decks left it is likely that they will shuffle with 2 decks or so. so your penetration will be shite
@@thefinestfootage1757 The only reason why it's bad to start counting mid-shoe is that you're getting worse deck pen. As long as you include the cards you haven't seen in the true count calculation, there is nothing technically wrong with it.
Hey Colin. Been watching your videos and have really enjoyed the content. Thinking seriously about a membership but wasn't sure if casinos in central Florida were worth counting in. Any experience in this area?
Hey Colin, I have a question. Recently I have been trying to get more familiar with the casino setting and trying to count(Very low stakes). Is it worth it to sign up for the rewards system or is that giving up too much information to the house about who I am?
Typically not worth it.
I would say it depends how much value you place on the comps you would be getting if, in a worst-case scenario, you do get backed off. I'm a regular at a couple small, locals-only places, but play lower stakes there and don't get much in the way of rewards (why would I use hotel stays when I live less than an hour away?). However, I still get emails containing free resort stays, free concerts, and free meals at nice restaurants at casino/resorts from out-of-state casinos I've been backed off from, which I absolutely use. That being said, I was playing considerably higher stakes at those locations.
The tl;dr is that if you value the comps more than the opportunity to play at that casino (and other casinos that are owned by the same group), then it might be worth it for you, although at low stakes, they'll take a while to build up. If the blackjack is all you care about, then give them as little information about you as possible.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship I like double deck but you have to play to see the cards, you cannot backcounting llike the shoe game
I wonder what do you think of Spanish 21, it has some adventeous rules like instant blackjack psy without insurance or when you hit your 21, surrender but less 10s?
Hey Colin is it possible to count cards in double exposure blackjack? Haven’t heard anyone talk about it. House edge is .67% and I’m intrigued to see if it can be beat
Different strategy. If I recall correctly, Wong has a chapter on it in Professional Blackjack.
Can you do a video on Casino stocks? When to hit, stand or double down.
Tell me can we do that same instead with 6, 6 and 1 for positive negative and neutral cards
Do you have a videos on strategy differences playing 4 deck shoe.
I've progressed past counting I went to Patterson's school he was on ken ustons team he said I learned to count in the early eighties but was never on a team I play alone but just use another method using a basic strategy of robotic consistently but I believe I have read every book system and have 40 years experience and mindset is key to Blackjack and or any gambling practice patience bankroll money management emotional control all under mindset the count can be helpful but it's not absolute
Last time I was in Reno, there were still some single deck 3:2 games, but they mostly allow doubling on 10 and 11 only. They can still be profitable, but have a fairly high house edge for basic strategy. In single deck, I think it's adviasable to side count aces, and avoid betting big if the high low count is high, but no aces are left in the deck.
Where were you? GSR?
These single-deck games are good for card counters who use the Hi-Opt 1 strategy and keep a side count of Aces. Hi-Opt 1 also has the advantage of being able to vary basic strategy based on the true count (e.g. standing instead of hitting on 16 vs. dealer 10 if true count is positive).
@@MoshiASMR.GSR has good double deck games. Sounds like he’s talking about the Alamo. If you want the best single deck in town though it’s boomtown. They are a sweatshop though.
Where? I live in Reno and been to Atlantis, Peppermill, Cal Nevada and never been stopped from doubling
Hi colin... im using casino verite and am wondering what the play count means ... Ive got a support ticket entered with qfit... but cant find any info on the play count thanks ... from a future subscriber
I personally stick to the shoe games. Easier to stay under the radar, and more room to camouflage my bets.
Good video
If you’re playing with KO counting strategy you automatically start in a negative on a shoe game right? My casino doesn’t allow raising bets if you come mid shoe. My question is would you still play shoe using ko strategy without wonging in or out?
In the KO book they recommend wonging out at certain negative counts that are below the initial running count based on how many decks have been dealt. Also, if you wong in at a positive count, it doesn’t matter that you can’t raise your bets necessarily, you will still be winning more often then losing, so over time you will still make money even if you bet the minimum. Obviously you’d need to wong out if the count goes negative but it’s still an option. Wonging is pretty tough in today’s environment IMO
Hard rock Tampa has double deck. Anyone know if it is a good game?
6 deck by far. Reason being its much easier to count someone on a single deck. Have to wait for the shuffle on a shoe which gives the counter more time to work.
another thing with DD, atleast its like this in cali, but if you play a hand on a new shoe and sit a hand, you cant jump back in, you gotta sit till the end of the shoe
Do you think using whole deck devisors is perfectly fine instead of half deck when it comes to shoe games? Obviously you need to use half deck devisors for double deck.
Colin, can the app allow 3 or 4 hands 😭 sometimes I get a bit wild haha
I don't play single or double bc they deal from the hand not a shoe I'm positive that Vegas was dealing seconds in the early days when I began in1978 I like 8 with a deep cut because runs last longer negative counts I've even won sometimes
@5:20 You mentioned a 2D is slower than a 6D at 100 hands/hr. However, since they are both playing at 100 hands/hr. aren't they the same. I understand that 2D is slower than 6D but if they are playing at 100 hands/hr. aren't they the same?
If you play a shoe game heads up, you must play several hands at the beginning of the shoe with a casino advantage all the time. If you play the same shoe game with a full table, the second hand might even yield a player advantage
I've looked up if basic strategy charts change when there are multiple decks but I can't figure out how they change.
Hey Colin, I'm fairly new to card counting, I'm from Ontario, Canada and I'm almost convinced all the casinos in the province are 6:5 BJ and using an ACS. If it's not very likely I'm heading to the US to play shoe games down there, should I even bother learning to count cards?
Shoutout from Hamilton ON haha
Shoutout from Hamilton ON haha
Getting into the long term with blackjack can take thousands of hands before you emerge as a player who is making a profit. Others may have a dream run and make a profit from the start with little fluctuation. If you can’t put in the 1000s of hands necessary to get into long term, then although you may play a winning game, you may go through a long losing streak and give up the game.
6:5 is extremely hard to over come. it’s the number one rule to avoid. I’d imagine you could gain a small edge with great pen, SUR, DAS, S17, etc but it’s likely they wouldn’t have all the other rules necessary to even try. Even if all the other conditions were excellent you’d probably have to recalculate when to raise your bet, typically the house edge is gone after a T1 but in this case I’d image it would be between T2 or T3. I’ve heard of people beating 6:5 but it’s rare even in the world of AP.
@@RezidueWithaZshoutout from Brantford ON. Seneca, right across the border has great games, mostly 3:2, any double, splitting up to 3 hands, double after splitting.
I like to know what position you prefer
I also notice in multiple players sometimes there is a person winning large number of hands
Like a guy on middle position or 3rd base
Or any position
And I in first base get 13 or 16 often and on a bust streak
So I move or add a hand
I have found moving seems to not work
For example
I’m beat for many hours
Could not win a hand for 5 or more hours
I play minimum
Then I finally get up
A guy sits in my seat
Wins every single hand for hours
Cannot lose a hand
Wins huge
This happens often
I had a great friend who tell me to be patient
Will come back to you
He was a counter
And my tax accountant
I really miss him
He would play many hours
We had such wonderful time
He rarely lost
Yes, I've seen a rise in places not allowing mid shoe entry, or else limiting you to minimum bet. Single or double deck is much better.
Was at a casino last month where if you sit down mid shoe you can only bet the minimum until the next shoe. So I just wait 'til the next shoe.
Single deck I don't bother unless it's just me or one other person; every double deck game I've seen so far has a $25 minimum, which is outside my zone of comfort right now.
@@texasrebel7754 in Las Vegas there's a lot of $10 double deck minimum games, but you can also find a couple places that are $5. It's slowly been getting more reasonable
@@T-Vegas can you tell me where?
@Tvegas Jerry’s nugget has $10 double deck and some of the station casinos will have $15 double deck. Santa Fe or Boulder.
I'd like to ask you what you say to the person sitting next to you who asks you what to do I don't really like talking at the table so what do YOU say?
I don't even bother with single deck anymore unless I'm alone or with 1 other player. 6:5 is bad enough; as Colin said, if you're only getting 3 rounds max per deck, the cards don't vary enough most of the time to make it worth your while.
Love your videos! What’s EV?
Expected Value .....positive or negative.....profitable or unprofitable play in the long run if repeated .
Learned Blackjack today and am starting to learn basic strategy!
Day 2: Was only able to practice for an hour today, but it's already coming to me!
Okay Rain Man
How's the practice going?
If I could post gifs on RUclips I would post Zack Galifianakis from Hangover.
I need to know how the training is going
Stay away, trust me
Hello thanks for the videos, how many decks would you suggest a non card counter just using basic strategy to play? Thanks again
If you aren't counting, then it really doesn't matter too much since no matter what, you'll be on a losing game. If you're trying to get used to a casino atmosphere or otherwise just trying to get used to the environment, I'd recommend a shoe game. You can see all the cards and the other players' motions and mannerisms to learn to better blend in with them, and the stakes are typically much lower so you won't lose as much
I don’t card count accurately, but I still keep an approximate count in my head. Stupidest thing I used to do was not trust that count when it went far negative… I knew I should get up and get out but I felt guilty in a way and stayed. They allowed surrender and I figured that was enough to get me through most dry spells..nope.
well why would you trust something that isn't accurate? Just make it accurate.
How about electronic black jack with a computer Dealing your hand can I trust the casinos?
What are your thoughts on automatic shufflers??? I don't like them. Something about recirculation cards.
unbeatable, never play them
I was wondering how significant it is in a pitch game that you can’t initially see everyone’s cards during a round. So the count could go from .T1 to T-1 or there could be a deviation to play but you wouldn’t know. Specially for someone who doesn’t have the bankroll to play through neg counts. Thanks.
Some casinos in the South (Southland, Oaklawn) turn cards up like a shoe game Or play two hands head up against the dealer ,
That's a good point. You have no choice but to assume it's a neutral distribution. I wonder if this limitation was built into the simulation software they ran. The Vegas Advisor guy says not enough cards are dealt in double deck to matter but I find that suspect. Sitting in the last spot on a pitch game and having other players turn over their cards before it gets to you might be advantageous.
Can we caunt the card with sm?
Hey guys. Is it worth it to play if the casinos near me require ante to play. It sucks living in Texas and Oklahoma is nearest. The other casinos would be in Louisiana and that's a 3 hour drive
Nope, don't play it.
How do I sign up for this course? Is there an online course? How much is it?
www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/features/
I went to a casino last night, (boomtown) and played single deck $10 table. I was winning and the table was doing well. And in the middle of a shuffle after the dealer delt the first hand and busted (again) the pit boss came over and took the cards! Didn’t even let he finish the deck, and put in New cards and then I lost and so did everyone else in the next 15 minutes. In hindsight I should have left!
Anyone ever seen things like this happen????
Sorry all subject but having problems dividing negative numbers with positive numbers and he suggestions. Please help if you can. Thank you
Hello to all gamblers! my question is if you have a true count for example +3 and then a cut card comes up and the dealer shuffles the deck..do you still keep this true count or you go back to running count with zero? Thanks!
The deck shuffle 'resets' the game so you should fo back to 0 I think
The count starts over like it's a brand new game.
If I join mid game do I just play until the new shoot comes out or just wait till the new shoot. And then the true number do we always divid the running count every hand???
You would be better off joining at new shoe just so there is less unknown information and you'll be seeing all possible cards or even better backcounting for a few hands before you sit down, that way you can choose to start playing when the count is favorable.
The true count is always the running count/the decks left - Generally you can just eyeball the discard try and for example adjust when it looks like it goes from 2 decks to 3 decks in the discard tray.
Been in action since the Kenny Uston days 😅
I primarily play SD or DD. But are there shoe games with LESS than 6 decks? Is 6 decks the minimum that casinos use in a shoe game?
4D shoes exist but are extremely rare. Keep in mind that SD and DD are counter traps. In my humble opinion, 6D is best, all rules being equal. But sometimes 8D may have better rules than 6D and the slight disadvantage of the extra 2 decks may be offset by an improvement in rules.
I was playing $10.00 min bet blackjack at Westgate casino in Las Vegas and I seen my chance and went all in and drew a blackjack. The dealer said so your counting cards, and the pit boss would not take his eyes of of me after that big play. The casino really does not want to loose.
The count could be incredibly high, and you would still never go all in. Counting cards doesn’t guarentee you a blackjack or else we’d all be filthy rich.
I'd love to hear Colin's perspective on Single Deck in Jackpot, NV. $5 Min. Potentially the best BJ in the US- the ploppies are too enamored with the Side Bet- Royal Match.
The 5 min sounds nice
What are the rules?
The casinos near are all 10-15 these days
@@noskpain2792 Double on any 2 cards, no Double after Split, S-17
@@88KeysIdaho Nice. Sounds like a good game. What's the table max? Is there mid shoe?
@@christophercarlone9945 Table max is $200. It's single deck, so Mid-Shoe isn't a thing, lol. But, no worries about entering mid-deck, either; other than it would be kind of rude for the other players (It's easy enough to buy in, when the dealer shuffles every 5 or six hands (depending on how many players)).
@@88KeysIdaho Single deck with those rules is very close to no house edge for basic strategy. Counting it, even with a pretty small spread should be great.
Please let me know where can i find hand shuffle blackjack casino in asia
if you are on a double deck - one-on-one - it seems like you must play through the negative counts. i do not understand how one can walk or stop playing if there is only you or even one other player - seems like it would be too suspicious and being ID'd would happen sooner. any one have any suggestions? thanks!
Don't overthink it. Just head to the restroom. Are the supervisors going to call you out for having a small bladder or something? It's true you run the risk of getting back to the table and they haven't shuffled, but if you're gone for 5-10 minutes, they probably will. And on the off-chance someone does make a mention of your frequent potty breaks, just say you're diabetic. It's kinda sleazy, but it'll stop them inquiring further
@@tmtmtlsml Tell them your phone is buzzing and you need to answer all calls and walk away from the table and put your phone to your ear and pretend like you're taking a call.
Play two hands to change the cards. If you win both hands or even split the hands, you at least changed the cards. Then, wait for the next shoe and see how the first hands play out.
Ok, so I have a question if anybody can answer. How often do I convert to true count? Would I do it every deck? Or every hand? Or do I keep the running count in the back of my head and convert every hand or every deck?
The true count(TC) is an estimated figure, but also estimatable with reasonable accuracy. In reality, it is seldom a whole number. Betting and playing decisions occur when that estimated TC exceeds a certain level.
Of course it goes without saying to always keep the running count. With me, the true count is a continuous fraction going on in my head at all times, with the running count as the numerator and the estimated remaining decks as the denominator, with the denominator continuously shrinking as the shoe continues to play out.
You need to be doing the RC and TC every hand. Hard at first, Gets easier over time.
I find little value in bothering to calculate the TC if the RC is negative. Only when it reaches the point where it's time to take a break and let the ploppies eat up the remainder of that negative shoe. The point is, whether the TC is -1/2 or -2 you're still betting the minimum (or hopefully 0 if you're on a break). Of course when the RC is positive I calculate the TC every hand so I know how to adjust my bet and play accordingly.
TC is really true only half way thru
Mr Jones, your skills are too good for us to let you keep playing 🤓
Why did Vegas casinos stop pitching cards at single/double deck games? I only see these games dealt from a shoe now
I went to the casino yesterday with $60 and played 6 deck blackjack, betting mostly $10 occasionally $20 and left with $300 😊
I'm not sure if I was good or got lucky though, played for about 3 hours
whoa ...there is a lot of terminology here us newbies don't get. What do card counters do right after the shuffle? at what point do you start raising your bets (obviously when his 1+ but after what point of the deck has been dealt. Isn't that an obvious giveaway you are counting?
when you are playing single deck the running count is the same as the true count right?
correct!
California, Table Mountain Casino has double deck if anyone is looing
Wonder what is that contraption at the video intro? LOL
Dumb question but what stops a player from taking more cards after they bust on a dd pitch game
I’m pretty sure if this happens, the dealer will reprimand you, call over the pit boss and explain what happened. If it happens again, you’re likely to get kicked off the table.
I’ve never actually seen it happen, it’s just what I think would happen.
Why is any blackjack game ever dealt face down?
Is there some advantage about seeing the other cards?
Prevents cheating by players when they're not allowed to touch the cards.
If groupings of low or high cards come out in following rounds of each other , then chances are the opposite groupings are likely to follow ......what type of cards are remaining in the shoe or decks .
@@kuangtien3980
But they are allowed to touch the cards in games that are dealt face down.
What is your point?
@@crondawg101 In single deck where players cards are dealt face down , and other players don't show their cards to you , your making decisions to hit or stand with less information , where as in face up show b.j. you can see the flow of the cards and use that information to make your decision. I deal b.j. at an Indian Casino .
1:28 What is CVCX?
Okay Colin, I finally watched Holy Rollers and now that I know you’re a bassist you’ve just become 100xs cooler to me.
It’s been a while, any reason you stopped vlogging? I have a question about using a Martindale in BJ. Seems that the occasions. BJ and splits and doubles might make it work. How big a range might be the difference? Are there games with max bet 100 times the minimum?
I don't mind the shoe if the rules are right. I kind of prefer it. One thing that I do like is no mid shoe entry as people coming and going disrupt my play sometimes. Also, with single or double deck, no surrender, not being able to double on certain soft hands and 9 make the game less of an advantage in my opinion. I used to like double deck but the tightening of the rules make it much less appealing.
Talking to a boss who's retired.. "why do you think it's offered"?
Here is my question; In a six deck game if the dealer didn't bother shuffling at the end of the shoe but, just mixed in the un-played cards in their usual way, put the whole bunch back in the shoe and started dealing...would this change the players mathematical expectations vs a random shuffled shoe?
Yes. Imagine if you only draw face cards (discard is all face cards). Instead of shuffling you just put those back on top. Now for a while you can only possibly draw face cards.
Does basic strategy change with 2 deck vs 6 deck?
No.
Casino I play at discards 3 cards before the game starts. Do you assume that it’s a running -3 since you don’t know or a -1 by since it’s equally likely a high and low can come out
No, ignore burned cards. They are equally likely to be high or low, so it's an effective 0. Don't worry about the fact that the burned card could be a high card. That's like worrying that all the high cards could be at the bottom of the shoe.
I like your shirt
Honestly I don't understand why casinos don't just get tables set to flat bets, or something where they can't go more than 2x or 4x the minimum. Is it that impactful to how much people will bet?
Hey I like your channel I've had a question that I can't find the answer to online can someone like me with ADHD become a card counter I've been looking online and I can't find any answers for it I was hoping maybe you can touch up on card counters that have disabilities
What's a "shoe game"?
I was playing blackjack just for the fun of it. I noticed someone sitting watching the game after a while he sat to the left of me and started playing. All of sudden I started losing. So I left. When I got up; to go he was asking, the air, more than anything else. What did I do, What did I do. I don't know what that was all about but maybe you understand what was happening
Can you calculate what edge the house has when playing 6 decks and the casino cuts 3 decks (the player are playing basic strategy but not card counting). How big is the edge for the player if he is cardcounting (same rules). And what is the edge if the player instead of using Hi-Lo memorized Every specific card that has been dealt, the color does not matter, so for example 2 kings have been dealt and use some kind of running count and truecount system for chancing their bet. One example of a system could be to use Hi-lo but a 2 is valued +6 a 3 +5 ... and a 8 would be worth a 0 and a king -5 and a A -6.Would this type of Hi-Lo be more advantageous
Generally, the house edge on a blackjack game will be about 0.5%, however, this can vary depending on the rules of the game. For example, soft doubling and being able to double on any hand slightly reduces the edge against you. Rules like doubling against 9, 10, and 11 only, or dealer deals to hard 17, or 6:5 blackjack, increase the edge against you. 6:5 blackjack can be so bad, that it may completely destroy your edge over the house. Good penetration means you will have slightly more hands at both higher and lower counts. Obviously, you can Wong out if the shoe goes negative and is not likely to recover. Slightly more positive counts means more betting opportunities. How much you can bet at high counts will determine your win rate per shoe, but you also have to be aware that placing huge bets can attract heat.
Now that blackjack simulation software is available, one can enter all sorts of rule changes and run simulations to see what would happen. I have seen games where the comps are so good, that you could place big bets at a slightly negative edge. What you would lose in EV on the bet, was made up for many times by the value of the comps. However, I wouldn’t recommend doing this to anyone new at the game. Hilo is a balanced, one level count which means it is easy to implement. Other multilevel counts means keeping a running count is more mentally draining and you run the risk of making mistakes which can cost you. Hi Lo is easy to implement and because you will be less mentally drained, you can play slightly longer which will more than make up the difference using a complex count.
The best multilevel counts do not offer much more than the hi lo count. The things to be looking out for is good penetration which will yield more betting opportunities before the cut card comes out, and if you can get away with slightly bigger bets without attracting heat.
Your speculation about creating a multilevel count leads me to believe you haven’t read much nor played much blackjack as an advantage player. It really takes effort to learn all the skills required to win long term at blackjack and the best way is to take part in Colin’s course, where you can learn properly and have your game checked to make sure you have got it down. Along the way you will have many questions and others will have questions you haven’t even thought about. The next difficult thing is evaluate yourself to see if you really can stick to a betting plan even if you are losing. I’ve seen many people who know the game, but just can’t handle losing streaks and eventually quit the game.
How do you find out all these things ? Like how much they dealing how much they cut off ? Do I just ask ?
It's just practicing by eyeball estimation. We have some deck estimation drills on our website that use real pictures of casino cards: www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/features/
@@Blackjackapprenticeship okay awesome appreciate it will definitely check it .. we only have encoré as a local casino and other Ones are at least two three hours away and it sucks cause encoré only has 8 deck shoes with 6 to 5
Question: how are you able to start counting mid way through a blackjacks shoe? And another question, how are you meant to use the every suit has a total count of 0 to your advantage?
You have to see how much has already been dealt out in the discard tray and have that in mind when you're converting your true count. Add that to the number of decks still left to be dealt. So if there's two decks in the discard tray when you start and after one round he's still have three decks left to deal then you're going to have to divide your count by 5 decks. When you continue to play still need to remember those two Decks that you didn't see in the discard tray, so they essentially become part of the penetration. But don't be afraid to ask for a shuffle, if you sit down at a table and you're by yourself. Most places I have known should be happy to Shuffle for you.
The hi Lo count is a balanced count which assigns 1 to 2,3,4,5,6 (small cards) 0 to 7,8 and 9. and -1 to 10,J,Q,K and Ace.( big cards)
So as you run through a deck of cards and add the count numbers to achieve a running count, by the time you get to the end of the deck, the count will be 0. If you run through a deck and get a high count of say 5, it means that there are 5 more big cards than normal in the remaining deck. A deck rich in big cards favours the player because we play by a set of rules which give us favourable outcomes as those big cards come into play. A shoe poor in big cards, favours the dealer who will win more often as those small cards come into play. Tracking a deck or shoe of decks of cards identifies when the advantage favours the player, who places big bets as the probability of winning slightly increases. This is how card counting works in a nut shell but to master it fully requires proper training and dedication and a good bankroll.
I've notice that you said negative counts are bad. My strategy is to ADD another hand in when negative. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander (dealer, player). In theory on negative counts player hits using up low cards so when plus cards starts you have two hands already established. I have won big hands on negative counts. i learned this by accident. In the beginning I would Add a hand when positive and the dealer would have blackjack or larger hands. Better results, but only drawback is it expose you as a cc. so hit them quick and leave.
You have negative EV during negative counts - we want to play negative counts as little as possible and bet more when we are generating EV in positive counts. Short term anything can happen with variance, but in the long run you are sacrificing equity by playing it backwards.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship In my experience playing bj you have more negative counts and to manipulate those plays is risky but an advantage.The advantage is to have 2 hands set up when positive counts starts. I'm not a statistic man but seems like winning both, push vs. losing both are favorable plus the small advantage of using up small cards. I always remember What good for the goose (player) is good for the gander (dealer). If it's negative for the player it's negative for the dealer.
Big cards are better for the player than the dealer and small cards are better for the dealer than the player, that's why you gain an edge in positive counts and have have negative equity in negative ones. We play and train based solely on the math and the long run, not opinions or feelings or how things seem.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship In the long run most of the time you have more negative counts than positive counts. REgardless what the dealer have, do you hit on negative counts? It's risky but I'm trying to use up negative cards so when positive cards starts I will have Two hands established vs. dealer one.
Decks are all 0 so in the long run you're time spent negative or positive is running towards even at all times as well. We're also playing basic strategy at all times, with deviations based on the count when necessary. How APs approach negative counts can range from playing through them to sitting them out depending on the situation but it's never add a second hand because you have -EV and that's not when we want more money on the table. The equity comes in the long run from minimum bets when we don't have an edge, like 0 and negative counts, and much larger bets as we gain more edge in positives.
Question; is it standard to ask how many decks are being used in the sleeve at a casino, or do you have to work that out yourself? Is it a giveaway to ask the dealer how ,any decks are being used?
Best bet would be to phone the casino beforehand and ask about the rules, they probably won't have a problem telling you how many decks are used, they won't tell you the penetration though
@@notaname8140 Thnks for the advice. Been studying for around 4 months and have a bunch of logistical questions like this
Nah you can ask the dealer or pit boss. Most of em don't care.
The closest casinos I go to only offer single deck.
What the best advice for blackjack. Every single time I go to the casino I lose I’ve been going by the book.
Read some books
@@ronperson5137 what books do you recommend
My book. ;-)
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Which book?
If "by the book" you mean playing perfect basic strategy, you should win some, and lose some, not lose every time. But in the long run you will lose ... but much less than most players, who don't know basic strategy! Also, this assumes you are avoiding tables with awful rules, like 6:5 blackjack. And don't play any side bets ... they are a rip off.
To come out ahead in the long run you must know perfect basic strategy, and then deviate your play and bets by counting cards. Blackjack Apprenticeship has plenty of advice in that regard.
Double deck is so juicy and fun to play