Wow, this brings back memories. I worked for Creative Labs from 1992-96 and saw the multimedia revolution take off first-hand. The early drives in the CD-Blaster pack were Panasonic Matsushita drives (CR-563B). I still have one along with a ridiculously rare "3DO Blaster". I'll have to dig it out some time and have a blast on The Need For Speed (tm)! Happy days...
Beautiful. As with all of this series it covers all the tricks of the era. CD drives weren't all that easy to integrate. Mscdex.. wow, now I'm really having the flashbacks. I worked in computer stores at this point, making it all happen for customers, shipping new tech around the world. We don't know how good we have it these days.
MSCDEX and OAKCDROM take up a lot of ram (I think around 50k). There are now much smaller drivers such as SHSUCDX (to replace mscdex) and videcdd.sys (to replace oakcdrom.sys) (there are many other available as well). I've tested them and so far I didn't run into any incompatibility or problems and they only take up less than 10k of ram ! Quite an improvement ! So if you run out of memory, remember you can use lighter cd drivers ;)
RetroManCave yeah, the 590 was the SCSI controller. I would love tk have one of these because sadly all my floppy disks are dying a slow death and copying images over to new disks via the serial port is a pain and does not always work that well. I really like my Amiga 500 most importantly because I have the special tiger design which is becoming pretty rare nowadays. Sadly my crt is dying on me right now but I will soon get a scandoubler for my a500 to connect it up to a flat screen VGA monitor which will give me some extra video quality compared to the composite video crt that I am using right now with the a520 modulator
The woman who did that tiger design and that other awesome design sadly died a few weeks ago. She became a pretty famous radio announcer in a part of Germany.
6:36 @RetroManCave don't dremmel it, just make some rails! Use a sheet of thick-enough plastic and cut the same shape out and put holes through that for the screws.
Dumpster find? Where are you finding dumpsters (let alone the computers) that you're allowed to take stuff from? I've inquired about recycled computers in a few places and been told that members of the public are not allowed to take anything from recycling sites due to "health and safety"...
"Health and safety" ...and then it gets sold to some company who promises 99% recycling but in reality it ends up in waste lands in Africa etc. instead of being used by an enthusiast. Sad!
@@armorgeddon Computers actually contain alot of worthwhile metals. There's alot of other stuff that's left in third world companies, usually everything that's cheaper to produce newly. Cody gave gold extraction from e-waste a go - maybe take a look at his channel.
I know computers do contain those materials, but it's pretty difficult to get them out of the electronics. I've seen a doc where those companies promising recycling only do the easiest things to get some valuable materials out of the components and then send the rest to mostly third world countries. But if that rest doesn't end up with a company that is capable to recycle the stuff it ends of in waste lands where it leaks chemicals into the soil. I'll check out the Cody channel to see how he did.
U should of used the drilling method that cable is a ultra ata cable it has 80 cables instead of 40 like the extension and would normaly give you better speed pio number could of been higher
I didn't realise you could now get an extension ide able, just ordered one for my Acorn A4000 so I can have my dual CF adapter cards on the outside of the case for easy access. The one i ordered is 30cm in length.
+BrooksterMax when I got mine it was in the bargain bins, I think I paid £70 for it. Its time had passed but the PD compilation CDs more than made up for it
That's not a multimedia CD ROM drive. You need to install a CD ROM drive that has builtin CD Audio capability for proper 1990's game support. I remember fondly how cool it was to listen to a CD no matter what you were doing on the PC at the time. The authentic multimedia drives have the play and stop buttons on the front usually along with a headphone jack. Most people don't realize that you can put power on these drives and plug in headphones and they will play a CD even when not inside a PC.
imagine it's the 90s, you get your first "multimedia kit", a cdrom and a soundcard, you install it, your parents are watching because in those times that was a very big thing (and you had to beg for months), and the first cd you have to try it is "manhole!!" hahahahaha. some bioses detect the cd anyway even if you set it to "none". (doesn't it have the "auto" option? maybe it works better for the hard disk too. I guess if the bios is too old it doesn't have the "auto" option). the "detect hard disk" thing never sets the cd, it puts it as "none". (at least it behaves like that on some pentium machines). you have to set it manually to auto or cdrom or just leave it at "none" but after the ram check the bios will say "blah blah cdrom" anyway. I don' think your point was "I need the drivers because the bios didn't detect it", you seem to know a lot about computers, but just in case it was your point: even if the bios had detected it you would still need the driver in config.sys and mscdex in autoexec.bat. cd drives don't just run like hard disks do, they need drivers.
i'm kinda jealous. despite several attempts, i have yet to get an ide cf/sd card AND a cd/dvd drive to share a cable & play nicely together. this while paying careful attention to master/slave jumpers. lotsa ide cf/sd cards don't even have a master/slave jumper. given current [overdue] sensibilities, i think we should discontinue the 'master' & 'slave' designations. please take care & stay safe.
If I remember correctly I paid about $60 for a blue ray drive for my pc. I must point out that Windows 10 dose not support playing movies wtf also some older games I've tried like frogger he's back don't play the music only the sound effects
Hey, you'll see Win 3.11 in pt4. To be honest though back then Windows was for work, DOS was for games. Gaming really didn't happen much in Windows until Direct-X started to mature and PC's had a bit more capacity to cope with both Windows and games on top without slowdown compared to running them in DOS
disarm76 thank you. This is something I've improved in subsequent videos. If I get a moment I'll reupload an edited version of the series with adjusted levels.
Sorry but you picked less good cd-rom drive. Sony was crap. Creative was crap too. Best in the beginning was Panasonic and later was TEAC and Lite-On. TEAC reader and a writer with scsi was the best.
It's a balance isn't it, I used what new old stock I had available rather than buying a CDROM drive. It's not of the period of this machine as this is a hybrid restoration rather than a period piece and the goal was not to make it the fastest, but the easiest to use for day to day retro gaming, so it will suffice :)
RetroManCave It was not about speed. Reliability was more important. When I changed my Panasonic 2x to a Creative 8x it was a nightmare. Lots of 32x and 48x where crap too. The RMA could be 90%.
I see, well it's all good and I have plenty of spares if it needs to be swapped out. The majority of time though I'm dropping files directly on to the CF card and the CD doesn't get used, but I couldn't have a multimedia PC without a CD drive!
Wow, this brings back memories. I worked for Creative Labs from 1992-96 and saw the multimedia revolution take off first-hand. The early drives in the CD-Blaster pack were Panasonic Matsushita drives (CR-563B). I still have one along with a ridiculously rare "3DO Blaster". I'll have to dig it out some time and have a blast on The Need For Speed (tm)!
Happy days...
Beautiful. As with all of this series it covers all the tricks of the era. CD drives weren't all that easy to integrate. Mscdex.. wow, now I'm really having the flashbacks. I worked in computer stores at this point, making it all happen for customers, shipping new tech around the world. We don't know how good we have it these days.
I LOVE the fact you open with TTD! One of my favourite games of all time and one of the first things I will be loading once my pentium 100 is running!
MSCDEX and OAKCDROM take up a lot of ram (I think around 50k). There are now much smaller drivers such as SHSUCDX (to replace mscdex) and videcdd.sys (to replace oakcdrom.sys) (there are many other available as well). I've tested them and so far I didn't run into any incompatibility or problems and they only take up less than 10k of ram ! Quite an improvement !
So if you run out of memory, remember you can use lighter cd drivers ;)
Deksor nice tip thank you!
Thanks for the shout out! Glad it worked okay for you also!😁
BIOS date 2094. Confirmed Retro Man Cave is a time traveler.
In the 22nd century we realise that 486's are where it's at
RetroManCave Us 21st century folks too :D
You have the biggest decoding card i've ever seen RMC
The Amiga CD drive was called a570. The add on a520 was the tv-modulator/composite adapter, to connect your Amiga 500 to a color TV.
Nils Pc Vids that is correct. I had the A570 on an A500 which was great but not completely compatible with all CDTV titles. I think the A590 was a HD
RetroManCave yeah, the 590 was the SCSI controller. I would love tk have one of these because sadly all my floppy disks are dying a slow death and copying images over to new disks via the serial port is a pain and does not always work that well. I really like my Amiga 500 most importantly because I have the special tiger design which is becoming pretty rare nowadays. Sadly my crt is dying on me right now but I will soon get a scandoubler for my a500 to connect it up to a flat screen VGA monitor which will give me some extra video quality compared to the composite video crt that I am using right now with the a520 modulator
The woman who did that tiger design and that other awesome design sadly died a few weeks ago. She became a pretty famous radio announcer in a part of Germany.
Ahh gotta love those Vesa local bus ports
6:36 @RetroManCave don't dremmel it, just make some rails! Use a sheet of thick-enough plastic and cut the same shape out and put holes through that for the screws.
I remember those Jumpers and IDE cables made my 13 Year old me go nuts when they didn't work (or better said me not knowing how to connect them).
Dumpster find? Where are you finding dumpsters (let alone the computers) that you're allowed to take stuff from? I've inquired about recycled computers in a few places and been told that members of the public are not allowed to take anything from recycling sites due to "health and safety"...
BlakeCasimir the old 'elf and safety eh. This was a private business park with the permission of the business owner, I used to work on the same park.
"Health and safety" ...and then it gets sold to some company who promises 99% recycling but in reality it ends up in waste lands in Africa etc. instead of being used by an enthusiast. Sad!
@@armorgeddon Computers actually contain alot of worthwhile metals. There's alot of other stuff that's left in third world companies, usually everything that's cheaper to produce newly. Cody gave gold extraction from e-waste a go - maybe take a look at his channel.
I know computers do contain those materials, but it's pretty difficult to get them out of the electronics. I've seen a doc where those companies promising recycling only do the easiest things to get some valuable materials out of the components and then send the rest to mostly third world countries. But if that rest doesn't end up with a company that is capable to recycle the stuff it ends of in waste lands where it leaks chemicals into the soil.
I'll check out the Cody channel to see how he did.
U should of used the drilling method that cable is a ultra ata cable it has 80 cables instead of 40 like the extension and would normaly give you better speed pio number could of been higher
I didn't realise you could now get an extension ide able, just ordered one for my Acorn A4000 so I can have my dual CF adapter cards on the outside of the case for easy access. The one i ordered is 30cm in length.
Andrew Littleboy An A4000, would love a game of Chocks Away on that
The CD Blaster was my first CD rom drive and sound card .
I found a copy of that exact version of the Manhole at a thrift store. Naturally, I snagged it, being something of a Cyan fan.
i remember you had to connect the cd-rom to the sound card to play audio on CD's
OpenTTD keeps the dream alive for Transport Tycoon.
Watching this on my secondary display, just noticed it's the exact same as you use in the vid. Woa
Dude, the driver rails looks a lot like old Antec p180 driver rails and many other generic ones : www.pssolution.com/generic.html
This build needs a nice 17” CRT. And none of those fancy Trinitron flat ones, mind you
Great vid, you were a lucky boy to have an Amiga A570 CD rom back in the day. Lusted after one.
+BrooksterMax when I got mine it was in the bargain bins, I think I paid £70 for it. Its time had passed but the PD compilation CDs more than made up for it
the moire patterens at 3:48
btw if u like transport tycoon deluxe try OpenTTD
0:50 420 blazit DPI mouse
i remember back in the days, we have to buy separate mpeg card just to play some vcd movie
That's not a multimedia CD ROM drive. You need to install a CD ROM drive that has builtin CD Audio capability for proper 1990's game support. I remember fondly how cool it was to listen to a CD no matter what you were doing on the PC at the time. The authentic multimedia drives have the play and stop buttons on the front usually along with a headphone jack. Most people don't realize that you can put power on these drives and plug in headphones and they will play a CD even when not inside a PC.
Wow those yellow chips are so sexy! But why are they yellow? Or just, why not?
I remember the Blaster CD 1800, it was, and still is, the 'non plus ultra' CD-Rom. Hope that someday I`ll se you reviewing it.
imagine it's the 90s, you get your first "multimedia kit", a cdrom and a soundcard, you install it, your parents are watching because in those times that was a very big thing (and you had to beg for months), and the first cd you have to try it is "manhole!!" hahahahaha.
some bioses detect the cd anyway even if you set it to "none". (doesn't it have the "auto" option? maybe it works better for the hard disk too. I guess if the bios is too old it doesn't have the "auto" option). the "detect hard disk" thing never sets the cd, it puts it as "none". (at least it behaves like that on some pentium machines). you have to set it manually to auto or cdrom or just leave it at "none" but after the ram check the bios will say "blah blah cdrom" anyway.
I don' think your point was "I need the drivers because the bios didn't detect it", you seem to know a lot about computers, but just in case it was your point:
even if the bios had detected it you would still need the driver in config.sys and mscdex in autoexec.bat. cd drives don't just run like hard disks do, they need drivers.
Of course the first CD game on the Apple was called man-hole.
i'm kinda jealous. despite several attempts, i have yet to get an ide cf/sd card AND a cd/dvd drive to share a cable & play nicely together. this while paying careful attention to master/slave jumpers. lotsa ide cf/sd cards don't even have a master/slave jumper. given current [overdue] sensibilities, i think we should discontinue the 'master' & 'slave' designations. please take care & stay safe.
I'm having the same issues. I can't get Dos 6.22 to recognize the cd rom drive while using a compact flash adapter.
That's an 80 pin cable, reduced performance with the 40 pin?
No impact on performance.
Bro, i can listen to you for hours, you and James May.
Mik RR captain slow says welcome to the cave
i love the reassembler!!!..it's got a strange soothing quality
If I remember correctly I paid about $60 for a blue ray drive for my pc. I must point out that Windows 10 dose not support playing movies wtf also some older games I've tried like frogger he's back don't play the music only the sound effects
hello i am wondering why dont u install Win 3.11 or win 95
Hey, you'll see Win 3.11 in pt4. To be honest though back then Windows was for work, DOS was for games. Gaming really didn't happen much in Windows until Direct-X started to mature and PC's had a bit more capacity to cope with both Windows and games on top without slowdown compared to running them in DOS
ok cool i also did a bit of research or can still download it win 95
Public service announcement: don't go searching for 'Manhole' on the internet with adult filtering turned off...
The background music is so loud it's not in the background anymore.
disarm76 thank you. This is something I've improved in subsequent videos. If I get a moment I'll reupload an edited version of the series with adjusted levels.
Sorry but you picked less good cd-rom drive. Sony was crap. Creative was crap too. Best in the beginning was Panasonic and later was TEAC and Lite-On. TEAC reader and a writer with scsi was the best.
It's a balance isn't it, I used what new old stock I had available rather than buying a CDROM drive. It's not of the period of this machine as this is a hybrid restoration rather than a period piece and the goal was not to make it the fastest, but the easiest to use for day to day retro gaming, so it will suffice :)
RetroManCave It was not about speed. Reliability was more important. When I changed my Panasonic 2x to a Creative 8x it was a nightmare. Lots of 32x and 48x where crap too. The RMA could be 90%.
I see, well it's all good and I have plenty of spares if it needs to be swapped out. The majority of time though I'm dropping files directly on to the CF card and the CD doesn't get used, but I couldn't have a multimedia PC without a CD drive!
agree on TEAC, its the best cd-rom i've tried, until asus cd-rw drive came along
@DK There's a problem in your logic since all Creative drives, CD and DVD, I came across were in fact re-labeled Panasonic drives.