Buckner was simply the last in a very large series of events that went wrong that night. He was unfairly scapegoated, but I'm glad at least Eddie has enough sense to know it was all down to McNamara.
Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley were more to blame than Buckner. Of course MacNamara did his part too. 8th inning Calvin Schiraldi had an errant throw to second on a sac bunt that allowed the tying run to eventually score. Just writing this shows how different the game has changed. Calvin Schiraldi started the 8th and was still out there for the 10th. The Redsox should have won just because of Davey Johnsons bone head moves. It’s absolutely wrong to put that loss on Buckner.
I'm a Mets fan, but I have to give Boston credit for how they played Game 7. They jumped out to a 3-0 lead. But, more impressive, after the Mets had taken control of the game, the showed guts, rallying to make the game 6-5. I tip my cap. (And, btw, I did root for them in the 2004 postseason.)
My theory is that Buckner was not scapegoated in the immediate aftermath of this loss nearly as much as it was made out to be. Most Sox fans had the common sense to realize he shouldn't have been in the game, blaming McNamara, or saw that Schiraldi or Stanley or Gedman were all worth part of the blame and it was really just "how could this team do this to us again?!" But as time went on, all the sports networks, ESPN, just had to play the Buckner clip every time the 1986 WS or the Red Sox curse was brought up. Speaking of the curse, Dan Shaughnessy's book came out in 1990 with this series and the Buckner error as the final lynchpin. No one can doubt that his error was the most memorable, significant event in the series, it's just a question of whether he deserved the blame for the loss. Well, I don't think he was truly blamed until it set in that this would be remembered as the Buckner game and be a critical Curse moment, and that this would become a sports meme basically. Future generations of fans grew up only knowing him as the guy who missed the ball and assumed it was his fault because they didn't know the whole sequence of events leading up to it and all the circumstances, but that was a different group of people than the ones who actually suffered through the game. The more time passed, the more people in general felt comfortable giving him and his family shit until he decided it was time to up and leave. And it is sad, he got the burden of being "that guy" that had his career defined by 1 error through this Bambino's curse cultural osmosis thing. While I've heard so many go into the whole "well it's really not Buckner's fault" and all the reasons why, I've never once heard an educated baseball fan say "well actually it WAS Buckner's fault, and here's why." So sometimes I kind of think the former (why it wasn't his fault) is one of baseball's most enduring strawman arguments. That was never truly in question by those who watched the game when it happened.
The Red Sox had their hearts ripped out after the wild pitch tied the game. The Buckner error was simply the straw that finally broke the camel's back. It was like a boxer getting the hell beaten out of him by hundreds of vicious punches, and then he finally goes down after an average shot to the chin......the accumulation of punches was what did most of the damage, with the final punch almost being a formality.
My Dad and I used to listen to Eddie religiously, and with the Celts we turned off the audio of the tv and listened to Johnny Most!! We are truly blessed to have lived in the era of horrific defeats and now that we are in 2019 We’ve come full circle. Kids have no clue the misery it was to live through this. Go Sox!!!
People who are at least 25 experienced Boone's HR, kids still had 18 and 1, 17 seconds, seeing the Flyers come back, game 7 against the Lakers, and having to listen to Gloria on repeat as the refs screwed the B's over though.
WFAN 9/11 coverage is in six parts and has to be done down the line when I can do them all at once. For the moment its easier for me to get single file items up first.
my favorite part was when a caller asked Eddie what McNamara did wrong in Game 6 and he just stumbled through an answer while providing no actual examples. This guy was a carnival barker. The fact that he went on to rip talk radio for becoming too loud with little substance is laughable after hearing this "analysis."
The opening of the WNBC-New York newscast after Game 6 is the only other thing I could upload in the future. That's about ten minutes or so with more post-game interviews on the field at Shea.
i was at game 6 i was11 and no shit drunk guy behind me says we need a wild pitch next pitch boom wild pitch and the drunk dudes tarts throwing me in the air lol it was insane strangers hugging each other in the stadium in the parking lot people were getting out of their cars in traffic on roosevelt ave near the long islandexpressway high fiving hugging each other . i still cant believe to this day i was at this game but yes looking back def a passed ball
Only if you listen to it on a phone. There is nothing wrong with the file on a desktop and there is nothing wrong with the source material. I have zero control over why some files I upload don't play back normally over a phone. Unless it's garbled on a normal desktop the file stays up (and if you downloaded it, you'd hear a normal file).
@@epaddon So KNOWING thousands of people would try to listen on a phone... Do you not have the elementary sense to put in the desc. that it wont play on a phone ?
Buckner was simply the last in a very large series of events that went wrong that night. He was unfairly scapegoated, but I'm glad at least Eddie has enough sense to know it was all down to McNamara.
You could argue Eddie Andelman invented Radio Row with these on location Hilton broadcasts. He did it before Mike and the Mad Dog.
What a great piece of New England history this little radio clip is. Love it. Go Sox!
The forgotten 3-0 lead in Game 7 was the true salt in the wound.
So cool...I could see this guy set up in the lobby of the NY Hilton all night long. Those were the days.
Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley were more to blame than Buckner. Of course MacNamara did his part too. 8th inning Calvin Schiraldi had an errant throw to second on a sac bunt that allowed the tying run to eventually score.
Just writing this shows how different the game has changed. Calvin Schiraldi started the 8th and was still out there for the 10th. The Redsox should have won just because of Davey Johnsons bone head moves. It’s absolutely wrong to put that loss on Buckner.
So cool. I grew up listening to Eddie, Mark & Jim on Wyoming Blasting & Zoning. Eddie DID live to see the Red Sox win the World Series.
I'm a Mets fan, but I have to give Boston credit for how they played Game 7. They jumped out to a 3-0 lead. But, more impressive, after the Mets had taken control of the game, the showed guts, rallying to make the game 6-5. I tip my cap. (And, btw, I did root for them in the 2004 postseason.)
My theory is that Buckner was not scapegoated in the immediate aftermath of this loss nearly as much as it was made out to be. Most Sox fans had the common sense to realize he shouldn't have been in the game, blaming McNamara, or saw that Schiraldi or Stanley or Gedman were all worth part of the blame and it was really just "how could this team do this to us again?!" But as time went on, all the sports networks, ESPN, just had to play the Buckner clip every time the 1986 WS or the Red Sox curse was brought up. Speaking of the curse, Dan Shaughnessy's book came out in 1990 with this series and the Buckner error as the final lynchpin. No one can doubt that his error was the most memorable, significant event in the series, it's just a question of whether he deserved the blame for the loss. Well, I don't think he was truly blamed until it set in that this would be remembered as the Buckner game and be a critical Curse moment, and that this would become a sports meme basically. Future generations of fans grew up only knowing him as the guy who missed the ball and assumed it was his fault because they didn't know the whole sequence of events leading up to it and all the circumstances, but that was a different group of people than the ones who actually suffered through the game. The more time passed, the more people in general felt comfortable giving him and his family shit until he decided it was time to up and leave. And it is sad, he got the burden of being "that guy" that had his career defined by 1 error through this Bambino's curse cultural osmosis thing.
While I've heard so many go into the whole "well it's really not Buckner's fault" and all the reasons why, I've never once heard an educated baseball fan say "well actually it WAS Buckner's fault, and here's why." So sometimes I kind of think the former (why it wasn't his fault) is one of baseball's most enduring strawman arguments. That was never truly in question by those who watched the game when it happened.
The Red Sox had their hearts ripped out after the wild pitch tied the game. The Buckner error was simply the straw that finally broke the camel's back. It was like a boxer getting the hell beaten out of him by hundreds of vicious punches, and then he finally goes down after an average shot to the chin......the accumulation of punches was what did most of the damage, with the final punch almost being a formality.
I hope if you have more audio from game 7 aftermath from WHDH, please let me know. I would like to hear it.
My Dad and I used to listen to Eddie religiously, and with the Celts we turned off the audio of the tv and listened to Johnny Most!!
We are truly blessed to have lived in the era of horrific defeats and now that we are in 2019 We’ve come full circle.
Kids have no clue the misery it was to live through this.
Go Sox!!!
baseball dies after strike of 1994...baseball is dead and not the same. Sox will always be cursed and known as chokers
People who are at least 25 experienced Boone's HR, kids still had 18 and 1, 17 seconds, seeing the Flyers come back, game 7 against the Lakers, and having to listen to Gloria on repeat as the refs screwed the B's over though.
WFAN 9/11 coverage is in six parts and has to be done down the line when I can do them all at once. For the moment its easier for me to get single file items up first.
my favorite part was when a caller asked Eddie what McNamara did wrong in Game 6 and he just stumbled through an answer while providing no actual examples. This guy was a carnival barker. The fact that he went on to rip talk radio for becoming too loud with little substance is laughable after hearing this "analysis."
The funniest part is that Buckner was kept in the game despite being HIT BY A PITCH in the top of the 10th.
Sports radio was in its infancy here.
not really, eddie A had been at it for almost 20 years
Been searching forever for the Red Sox radio call of the 10th inning... do you have it?
I do have the full Red Sox broadcast of the game.
@@epaddon would love go hear that
epaddon post it! At least the 10th inning!
@@epaddon please post
Did you record this radio broadcast ?
It was traded to me many years ago.
I would love to hear the Boston broadcast of the last inning. Please post
Didn't know that Elmah Fwudd was on twah wadio...
Do you have any other News/Radio/TV coverage of this?
The opening of the WNBC-New York newscast after Game 6 is the only other thing I could upload in the future. That's about ten minutes or so with more post-game interviews on the field at Shea.
Not Buckners fault at all. It was all on the poor pitching and PAST BALL.
I believe that's passed ball
ghytgb I blame MacNamara. What was he thinking. Shiraldi? The Steamer? When the Steamer came out I knew, at 11 years old, we were DONE!
Calvin Scharldi is the player most at fault. John McNamara is the man most at fault.
i was at game 6 i was11 and no shit drunk guy behind me says we need a wild pitch next pitch boom wild pitch and the drunk dudes tarts throwing me in the air lol it was insane strangers hugging each other in the stadium in the parking lot people were getting out of their cars in traffic on roosevelt ave near the long islandexpressway high fiving hugging each other . i still cant believe to this day i was at this game but yes looking back def a passed ball
The sportscaster used my favorite sports cliche--Bob Stanley uncorked a wild pitch. Only champagne and wild pitches are uncorked.
And the uncorking of one ensured that the uncorking of another wouldn't happen that night.
Audio is GARBLED from end to end
Only if you listen to it on a phone. There is nothing wrong with the file on a desktop and there is nothing wrong with the source material. I have zero control over why some files I upload don't play back normally over a phone. Unless it's garbled on a normal desktop the file stays up (and if you downloaded it, you'd hear a normal file).
@@epaddon
So KNOWING thousands of people would try to listen on a phone...
Do you not have the elementary sense to put in the desc. that it wont play on a phone ?
I can't understan anything. It's all garbled. 😢
It may not play clearly on a phone. It plays normal on desktops and laptops.