@@DONUTLORDEDITZ Tomioka fue de 1-2 años pilar antes de Rengoku Tomioka tiene más talento que Rengoku de largo creo la decimosegunda postura y el dominó todas las posturas de la respiración del agua Rengoku no dominó todas sus posturas y mucho menos creó alguna La resistencia de Tomioka es la más rota de todos los pilares después de Akaza fue el primero en enfrentar a Muzan y fue el único pilar de pie hasta el final de la batalla, incluso Sanemi se desplomó Tomioka tiene la mejor postura de defensa de todos, con ella evitó los golpes que a Rengoku le costaron perder tan pronto un ojo y las costillas Según la autora Rengoku, Tomioka, Sanemi, Mitsuri tiene la misma fuerza física Pero oye Rengoku le gana en todo.😂😂😂
Giyuu is so underrated. He is the third strongest Hashira. Right after fighting Akaza with Tanjiro he was the first hashira to encounter Muzan and fought Muzan and after fighting Muzan he was the only hashira that was up and managed to hold back DKT.
@@ObamaIguroKhauxaTamphat tomyoka lover rengoku was the strongest when he was alive after his death he pushed every one else to train more rengoku with the mark is somthing different
@@Mohamed-Aymen08nah do you think an mark rengoku would do any better than mark giyuu😂 even mark rengoku couldnt scratch a thing to akaza while giyuu made akaza a big shot😐
Rengoku killed lower moon 2 by himself before even becoming a hashira And could have killed lower 1 by himself but only allowed for Tanjiro and inosuke to do it so they could get experience, meanwhile he gave himself the hardest task out or everyone Also Rengoku has more experience against more powerful oppoenents and has killed many demons, they are likely equally experienced
Ok Einstein, Rengoku is 19 and Giyu’s 21 and Giyu was hashira before Him and older. TF? GIYU DESERVES EXPERIENCE AND STAMINA. BESIDES, he fought Akaza along side Tanjirou ‘won,’ then was the first hashira to encounter Muzan.He survived and was the only hashira that was up to hold off demon king Tanjirou. HE unlocked the demon slayer mark. Survived the Last arc.. Edit:I didn’t mean to cause a whole war in reply section-
ye, Giyu may have survived all that but Rengoku fought Akaza ALL alone without any help at all and he was the only one who died, no one else died because Rengoku protected them, so i don´t think that was nothing to do with this at all, Giyu is strong?, yes he is but Rengoku being younger than Giyu and managing to protect 200+ people from Akaza is a big achievement he got, even if he died, and Giyu and Tanjiro only won to Akaza because Akaza remembered his past and his wife and so commited suicide, so i think it was not even his work on that part since he almost died to Akaza but Tanjiro saved him in time (wich i find it strange because if Tanjiro saved Giyu when Akaza was gonna pierce his stomach like he did to Rengoku, then why didn´t Tanjiro tried to save Rengoku .-.) and Giyu surviving all that does not make him stronger because i think that if Rengoku managed to kill Akaza or to at least make it out alive, he probably would get stronger just like all the hashiras and unlock his DS mark and manage to survive everything just like Giyu did (actually Giyu dies at age 25 because of the DS mark so Rengoku would die because of that if all that happened), so yeah, i think both Giyu and Rengoku are very strong no matter what 👍
His backstory is not overrated bruh. His parents died then after that his sister was killed, everyone thought it was him and he ran into the mountains while be escorted to get mental help and was found by Urokodaki and then his only friend died.
I'm pretty sure that the guy that you talk about that is so good that is stronger than the guy that you're saying is no longer breathing I'm pretty sure yours is not going to be no longer breathing since he's going to die at 25
@@ajjukotra191 Akaza wasn't violating marked giyuu and its opposite, they are underrating giyuu. Marked giyuu > Akaza in speed and other but akaza's blood demon art, hax slowly overwhelm giyuu. And in a result,akaza reached giyuu's stats, made him run out of stamina. Now like some mfs, you probably think iguro,muichiro>giyuu or etc... İ won't even say anything muichiro vs giyuu 💀. Giyuu > muichiro low-mid. For iguro, Giyuu > iguro mid-high diff. For Rengoku+giyuu vs akaza, R+G(without mark) =< akaza for stats, extreme for both sides in battle. İts debetable.
@@keli_jelly I said breathing form not breathing style. And Giyu is definitely able to run for longer periods of time rengoku does not get stamina bro 💀
@@Tez489 Age isn’t all there is to experience. Giyu had slain more demons than rengoku at that point and had more time as a demon slayer, which is why he was a Hashira. (i.e. Muichirou had more experience than Tanjiro when they both started even though his age was lower because he went through higher difficulty opponents)
@@Someonewhoduckurmom That means jack shit bro. You gonna tell me Kyojuro’s little brother has more experience than Tanjiro because he was born in the Rengoku family? That’s not experience.
Giyuus underrated fr not only in the manga was he not actually trying his fullest against upper 3 (until he got the mark) but he has more experience since he was a Hashira before rengoku
Bro what about physical strength. If you haven’t seen Mugen train, Rengoku literally grabbed Akaza even though he made Rengoku a donut and almost sliced his head until day but then Inosuke cut off Rengoku’s hands even though trying to slice off Akaza’s head.
@@MugiwaraGuyDiscontinuedwell in the data book giyu, sanemi, Mitsuri, and rengoku, are said to be of similar strength any one of the 4 could be the strongest in pure strength in a day to day basis. But giyu gets everything else. He's just a better hashira than rengoku in every way.
To be honest I think that this would be An amazing fight if it were animated. Although giyu is more powerful, I would love to see Rengoku and giyu clashing with flame breathing and water breathing.
Whilst I believe Giyu would destroy I’d love to see a flame breathing 5th form and water breathing 4th form clash a massive flaming tiger being wrapped around by a flowing stream of water
Giyu is so overrated bro strength: rengoku, dude almost decapitated upper three (demons dont lose durability while holding back) unmarked. To show how impressive that is think how genya couldn’t decapitate upper 4 in his demon form or how it took a marked sun breathing in the middle of the day to decapitate upper 4, thats sime strong ass strength. Speed: rengoku, bro moved so fast in the mugen train that the train shook so violently that tanjiro felt it while ontop the train. (keep in mind that passenger trains weigh 40-80 tons while empty) durability: rengoku, bro took an air type to the stomach and continued to block the rest of akaza’s attacks. Iq: rengoku, after his dad became an alcoholic he had to learn flame breathing from a book. Biq: rengoku, he learned and adapted to akaza’s air type mid combat after being struck once. Stamina: rengoku, bro tried to decapitate upper three with a fucking hole in his chest. Offense\Defense: Giyu, his breathing is op, defense? You got dead clam and flowing dance, offense? You got constant flux, striking tide, and water wheel to name a few. Ap: =, if Giyu gets enough rotations with his constant flux it could rival rengoku’s power (the breathing technique.) In all rengoku is stronger then giyu. Giyu would’ve died in a 2v1 against 100% upper 3 while marked and with a hashira level demon slayer while rengoku died in a 1v1 against like lets say 40% akaza while unmarked. Rengoku wins high dif
People overrating rengoku just because he held off a punch from akaza when he was literally getting toyed with from the start. It was already near sunrise before akaza and rengoku fought, just a few minutes before. Giyuu without mark will last longer without a doubt. The last move akaza used that finished off rengoku was the same move akaza used against giyu at the EARLY STAGE of their fight not as a last resort. Giyu without mark casually defended against it while rengoku with his 9th form got punched through his stomach. Not to mention giyuu being the first hashira to face muzan after fighting with akaza in the infinity castle and one of the last two surviving till the end.
Nah bro Flame braething is strongest bc its ez to get water breathing and you need to be very good to get flame so flmae is batter and i think rengoku would win
Alright, alright, let’s see ds what if rengoku got his dsm um3 I know he was holding back and whatever but when he got the chest to decapitate him, he would’ve decapitated him if he got his mark and it would’ve been ggs and it was a 1v1 but in the other hand giyuu was 2v1 um3 with a sun breathing user 😮😮
@@bloxfruitkingdom1 for one Rengoku wasn't playing with akaza but akaza was playing with him for two giyuu was not using his max strength against akaza at first until he got his mark and he beat did aloy if damage and Rengoku was going to die anyway if he didn't tanjiro wouldn't have any character development and akaza can regrow his head if you didnt know so your comment is wrong have a good day P. S Rengoku couldn't get his demon slayer mark due to tanjiro not fighting with him because that is how it works ig so I don't think he would've gotten it anyway cause tanjiro was scared and Rengoku told him to to help him
Speed stamina and experience ok but know this flame breathing is the third strongest breathing style flame breathing is related to sun breathing also so breathing go to rengoku
@@tugbakorkmaz4833u dumb or something? Flame and sun breathing look the same but trust me they are way different. Sun is the strongest breathings style. Flame isn't in the top 3 so i think u got that information from mcdonalds.
My new opinion Strength Giyu 1-0 - Are interchangeable in base - Giyu has mark so that makes him physically stronger now Speed/Combat Speed/Agility Giyu 4-0 - Able to keep with akaza(who was holding back less then the way he fought with Rengoku) for a while Attack Speed Rengoku 4-1 - 9th Form - >= Durability/Endurance/Stamina Giyu 7-1 - Tanked attacks from akaza and Muzan - Stayed up for both infinity castle and sunrise countdown Intelligence Rengoku 7-2 - One of the most intelligent slayers he just didn’t have much chance to show it Battle IQ Giyu 8-2 - More experienced Skills/Combat Giyu 11-2 - Better in swordsmanship - Skills >= because Rengoku was able to learning flame breath from books Power/Hax/Abilities/AP Giyu 15-2 - Mark - Red Blade - 11 forms of breath of water - Able to cut muzans whips DC Rengoku 15-3 Offense/Defense Giyu 17-3 - 11th form for defense - Offense >= Winner Giyu Low-Mid Diff Marked High Diff in base
@@shadowdragon7946 true but rengoku was self taught and didn’t learn all his flame breathing forms, even akaza said he wasn’t near his full potential so it goes to him
@@shadowdragon7946 no cuz water breathing you need to stay calm and collected. That’s why giyuu is very strong it’s cuz of his ability to keep control of his emotions which is why water breathing is perfect for him.
Akaza played around with base Rengoku, not using all his techniques, trying to get him to become a demon and still killed Rengoku. Akaza, after eating people and getting stronger for 9 months, went all out on base Tomioka in a 1v1 trying to kill Tomioka and couldn't kill him. Cope harder, Rengoku fans 😂 what would having a mark change? Even with both having a mark, it would still be Tomioka>Rengoku commonsense, no?
Let me try to prove this 1.gyomei was said by the creator he was the strongest hashira 2-3giyuu and sanemi fought in the hashira training arc and it was 4.obanai matches the others honestly
Guessing this is based off of there fight with Akaza here’s a funfact:Akaza wasn’t really trying while fighting with rengoku but for giyuu in the first half giyuu wasn’t trying but when giyuu got his mark, he actually started trying and got Akazas head in almost 1 blow so giyuus actually is stronger than rengoku!
Strength: Tomioka (It is said by the author that both have the same strength, but Tomioka with the mark is stronger) Speed: Tomioka (Rengoku was faster before Tomioka awakened the mark, but with the mark Tomioka made Akaza take the fight seriously , and even managed to surprise Akaza) Durability, resistance, stamina: Tomioka (He withstood several blows from Akaza, Muzan, and some from DKT. He was easily one of the hashiras who fought the longest. He fought against Muzan even though he had broken bones, broken niichirin , fatigue, sore muscles, etc.) hax, abilytes, BIQ, experience:Tomioka (Created a new way of breathing, has an adaptation in relation to blows, where he can know what the opponent will do just by seeing the muscles flexing, had more training, his swordsmanship is more refined. Has more experience. Has the 11th form) AP, DC:Tomioka (Equalized his strikes with serious Akaza) Breath: Both, possibly Tomioka (Water breath has more forms and is more versatile, and Tomioka mastered his breathing better) Winner:Tomioka
@@Calamity_33 And the author herself officially says that Tomioka and Rengoku have the same physical strength. But Tomioka got much stronger thanks to the hunter's mark.
Tomioka if he could against akaza not like rengoku that they left him as a donut 😂😂Tomioka is stronger than rengoku in my opinion I feel that Tomioka is in the top 3 strongest pillars
Actually they aren’t reflexes are an unconscious action that you perform to certain stimuli.Whilst reaction time is consciously reacting to all stimuli.
@Mr. Mxyzptlk bro lmao akaza was focused on TANJIRO the whole fight akza wasn't even trying and meanwhile when giyu tried he still got clapped into another dimension
People overrated Kyojuro (Yes that’s his First Name,Rengoku is the Family name) and forgot how Strong Giyu is,Him and Tanjiro Manage to Survive against Serious Akaza (Granted they have Marks) is a feat alone,And if we factor Hypothetical Kyojuro Marked,Giyu is still More potent than him since Flame Breathing is about Single Strike Hits while Water is Flexible Defensive Breathing which is perfect Counter. Speaking of Experience,Giyu is already one of the Older Taisho Era Hashira (Tengen is the First Taisho Era Hashira,While Shinobu and Muichiro is the Latest)When Kyojuro is a Hashira,Giyu already has 3 years into the Ranks. (i saw some People compare about Kyojuro gets training inside The family,Giyu gets at least 2 years inside Urokodaki's House.)
@@kazutora0468 bro... Wake up to reality 😂 akaza just playing with rengoku.. he's not fight in his full potential.. just don't forget he's 3rd stronger upper rank demon 😈.. nd if he cuts his head still akaza didn't defeat as you watch the power levels of uppermoon in E.T. arc
@@mysterybox5958 lol rengoku held akaza until dawn and almost died and all of the civilians are safe thats why tengen thought himself about how rengoku holds the upper moon 3 without civilians casualties. I know the demon slayer mark is strong but if giyu w/o mark vs rengoku i go to rengoku.
@@dragonemperor8648 There were 3 mins until sun raise before Akaza started fighting Rengoku , half of the battle was Akaza begging Rengoku to become a demon , and like 30 seconds of Akaza's arm in Rengoku's stomach , so Rengoku didn't last a minute , Giyuu in the other hand fought for much longer without a mark
Bro rengoku win Strength :- rengoku ( he was able to hold akaza at one place for long time with one hand ) Speed :- rengoku ( even tanjiro and inosuke can't see rengoku speed with his eyes he also speedblizt akaza ) Reaction speed :- rengoku ( react to bullets , react to sanemi attack and react to akaza attack and cut his hand in 2 second ) Defence :- giyu ( 11th form ) Duriblity :- rengoku ( rengoku survive akaza demon explosive attack and air punches where akaza air punch almost killed giyuu ) Endurance :- rengoku ( even rengoku organs destroy and he lost his left eye he was fighting akaza and he give a final blow to akaza i know he can't kill akaza ) Battle iq - rengoku ( no need to explain ) Winner - Rengoku
@@tharabhainatik8803 kringe. rengoku is good for Tomioka even as a snack. this can be understood, if only becauseAs Tomioka didn't die in the base, he was Akaza's strongest style when he used only 3💀 on Rengoku. Giyu, in principle, can do anything. There is not even an abyss between them, there is a whole abyss. Dominance in literally everything
@@tharabhainatik8803 And Giyu almost cut off his neck with a blitz, and what. If he had been fresh and not exhausted, he would have killed him. If it had a transparent world, it would be lightness in general. Giyu takes him down anyway, blitz, just skill, strength, he's stronger anyway. And by the way, unlike Rengoku Giyu, he really held Akazu in solo, only this time serious. By the way, Akaza blocked Chastishili with one of the lower styles. Yeah, Rengoku doesn't stand a chance. Gia is underestimated more everyone, and yet he calmly kills almost all the moons and Hashiro, maybe everyone. I am generally engendered by how it can be so underestimated. He has the strongest feats. Giyu Peak >>>> Akaza, Sanemi, Gyomei and Douma. Kokushibo =>. 11 style is too fancy. Literally any attacks that go into a mod attack will be stopped. In fact, no one can do anything to him, because it is unrealistic to break through the calm even in the base. By the way, they didn’t break it with a mark. It is relevant to say that Giyu is one of the strongest characters in the blade. If we skil him different values, then it turns out just fucked up. In general, Rengoku is food for Giyu, along with Akaza, through whom they are trying to show him something. Giyu solo
Not speed. And durability goes rengoku cuz he kept akaza at bay while he had a whole fist in his stomach. And if I’m not mistaken there was a secondary chapter specifically for rengoku and it showed rengoku tanking demon bullets that would of killed the average human.
Giyu (Buffs) vs Rengoku Strenght- Giyu Whilst they were stated to be the same strenght physically by the author, giyu has the mark which should increase his strenght by a bit. Speed-Not fully sure, maybe giyu because he has the mark which is a pretty big buff. IQ- Giyu I think this one goes without saying, giyu is significantly more serious and mature, but rengoku is goofy which is fun. BIQ-Rengoku I guess bcs he's been training with the sword for longer. Experience- Rengoku Whilst giyu is older, I think rengoku started with the sword earlier. Defense-Giyu This goes without saying, water breathing (Giyus breath style) is a defensive breath style. Offense/Attack power- Giyu probably Whilst his breath style is more defensive, he has the mark which is a big buff, so his attack power should've increased quite a bit. Durabiltiy- not sure Rengoku got turned into a donut, on top of having fries and ketchup hair, which even tho akaza, upper moon flipping 3 did it, still. And giyu lost his arm but idk, I guess you guys cam decide on ur own Stamina-This is hard, because rengoku still had energy to hold akaza by the arm and attempt to try hold him their until the sun rise, and he was very badly injured, so that's hella impressive. But giyu lost a limb and kinda carried the akaza fight, since tanjiro was out cold for a good amount of time, till he went god mode and dogged on basketball head 4 a nit, he still, didn't rlly carry the fight tho. After that, giyu still had energy to quickly yeet the kakushi out of the way to stop them getting turned into a hashtag but demon king tanjiro, like man was literally halfway dead at that point. Sl yeh this time u can decide. Potential- Rengoku I guess since be trained on his own without a former pillar/pillar/highly trained swordsmen to help him, whilst giyu had urokodaki to teach him and sabito to also teach him new things. Will power-Rengoku This one should go without saying. He's very over confident and ready to fight and never doubts himself, and he desperately didn't want anyone on the mugen train to, and came pretty close to holding akaza for the sun to burn him. Even tho akaza would've stomped him easily if he went all out at first, still very impressive, dubs amd kudos to McDonald's hair man. However giyu can also have lots of will power and determination, for example when sabito died, he worked very hard to become a pillar and exceed his expectations. However this still goes to dunkin donuts man. Skilled-Thsi is hard, both of them are very skilled. However giyu created his own breath form which is impressive, but still I think it goes to to them both. 8-8 Giyu still wins mid diff Water puts out fire. Or it spreads it.... Idk just use a fire extinguisher mate
💀💀 “water beats fire” that doesn’t matter the author stated the effects you see demon slayers use as there techniques aren’t real and they are just there to show you how they work. But giyuu still wins mid-high dif
experiencia es para giyu, tiene mas tiempo siendo pilar y cazador en durabilidad y stamina es giyu tmb , pelea contra akaza , peleo contra muzan y todavia estubo de pie para pelear con dkt y si es con marca giyu se lleva todo menos offensiva
Fuerza: Rengoku (según la información canónica puede ser Intercambiable) Velocidad: Rengoku (según información del canon) Velocidad de reacción: Tomioka (Puede reaccionar a los ataques de seres más rápidos que Rengoku como Sanemi y Akaza) IQ: Intercambiable (no sé) BIQ: Ambos (los dos, por lo poco que mostraron, parecen tener el mismo coeficiente intelectual en la batalla) Habilidad: Tomioka (llevó su respiración al siguiente nivel, mientras que Rengoku no tuvo la oportunidad de dominar al 100 por ciento su propia respiración y Tomioka se alargó específicamente por su habilidad) Hacks: Tomioka (tiene Dead Calm y la marca) Talento: Rengoku (si hubiera podido alcanzar su máximo potencial incluso le ganaría a Sanemi) Experiencia: Tomioka (Tiene 8 años en el campo de batalla) Resistencia: Rengoku (cuando lo convirtieron en dona pudo seguir luchando un rato) Durabilidad: Tomioka (tiene Dead Calm, casi obtiene una dona, fue el más expuesto a la sangre de Muzan, perdió el brazo y todavía estaba de pie para luchar contra Tanjiro King Demon) Estamina: Rengoku (ya que Tomioka no puede usar Dead Calm con frecuencia y la marca lo agota mucho) Ofensivo: Rengoku (se demuestra que su estilo es más ofensivo, lastima que no está al nivel de Sanemi, aunque Tomioka no se queda atrás) Defensivo: Tomioka (se especializa en ello, se muestra en su pelea con Akaza y su mini encuentro con Sanemi) Cuerpo a cuerpo: Intercambiable (Tomioka tiene mejor experiencia, pero veo a Rengoku como más activo en ese campo) Flexibilidad: Tomioka (según el propio Urokodaki, la respiración de agua, aunque es la más básica, también es la más flexible y se mostró con Tanjiro más claramente) Hazañas: Tomioka (podría ser comparable a Sanemi, podría seguir el ritmo de Akaza en serio, podría luchar contra Muzan a buen ritmo, etc.) Tomioka, No-Low Diff (viendo la diferencia entre Muichiro y Sanemi)
@@alguien5568 en BIQ se lo daría a rengoku Tiene más hazañas que giyu Pero stamina si o si es para giyu Tuvo 3 combates en una noche Apresar de estar herido , no perdía la conciencia
@@ikhergg1512 La verdad, en los ultimos comencé a analizarlo más a fondo, en especial a Tomioka por ser infravalorado generalmente por el fandom, entonces cambiaría algunas cosas como estamina, fuerza (por la marca), ofensiva (por la espada carmesí y sus posturas ofensivas), durabilidad (por no estar seguro), IQ (esta confirmado que Tomioka es de los más inteligentes), etc. Pero aún no sabía poner con exactitud el BIQ
@ricebowl733 no they were not Rengoku and Mitsuri were ranked 3rd Gyomei Tengen Rengoku or Mitsuri Sanemi Giyu Muichiro Obani Shinobu Also Rengoku has much better strength feats than everyone here tbh besides Gyomei considering he literally over powers akaza with a mortal wound
@@kingzseventh7017 it was clearly said that giyuu mitsuri senemi and rengoku are equal in strength and plus for ds mark giyuu also gets a strength buff stop being based 🙄
If we take from all the hashira the demon slayer mark, rengoku was the strongest, he was able to take an upper rank all by himself being even tired, the problem is that he didnt have the greatest iq battle because if he did he would have fought akaza in defence and try to lose time and let the sun rise
Gyomei is the strongest even without the mark. It would be a close 2nd between rengoku and sanemi but I think just in raw strength rengoku would at least get 2nd
Iq goes to rengoku i know he dosen't look that smart but he learnd flame breathing on his own with a book with missing pages he traind on his own giyu learnd water breathing from some one but he invented the 11 form but that was possible because he leard from someone how masterd it and he understood how waterbreathing works rengoku didn't had many pages on the book and that's why he never used the 6 7 8 form meaby there's a 10 how knows plus i love giyuu
@@Ken-kl3tjRengoku fought Akasa one on One and almost decapitated him. When Giyu fought Akasa he already knew what Akasa was because of Tanjiro and Tanjiro himself was at Hashira level when he fought along side Giyu. Still they couldn’t finish off Akasa as he kills himself. Imagine Tanjiro from the swordsman arc level fighting along side Rengoku? They would have made easier work of Akasa. You mentioning Giyu’ name means you didn’t mind any spoilers hence I elaborated it more. Sorry for the guys who didn’t know this.
-Hand to hand doesn’t matter -You said strength twice, which btw is interchangeable/equal, they both were in the same tier on the charts -Stamina goes to Giyuu -Experience goes to Giyuu -We haven’t seen much of Rengoku’s BIQ, whereas Giyuu figured out Akaza’s BDA
@@stayfaceyt8308 No, I mean consider everything in his life. He had little to no professional training. He trained himself and still mastered flame breathing. Everyone else had actual professional training.
Actual fact and I am giving giyuu mark and red blade Strength giyuu Speed giyuu Iq giyuu Biq giyuu Durability giyuu Stamina giyuu Endurance giyuu Hax giyuu Ability giyuu Experience giyuu Breathing giyuu Agility giyuu Offence rengoku>= giyuu Defence giyuu Clapped insect girl: giyuu Giyuu win low diff just try me and say one of this is wrong 🗿
The fact that rengoku is so underrated is underwhelming he didn’t even use his 6,7and8th form so no one knows if he would’ve won the battle if he had chance to use his form
He didnt know the 6th 7th or 8th form, thats why he didn't use, he's not underrated, he's constantly over hyped with people saying he could solo akaza with mark which simply isn't true
boy… with Rengoku marked akaza would actually fight seriously since he was toying with Rengoku from the beginning and a bit a the end. If he awakened it Rengoku would still lose, not easily but still lose in matter of 10-15 min. Giyuu without the mark facing akaza serious, he managed to fought him off with Tanjiro by his side. Then when he got the mark, he’s able to go toe to toe with him, but the only reason why his 11th form wasn’t able to fend off alaa’s attack was bc he was badly injured due to akaza slamming Giyuu onto a building thing (in the infinity castle). Rengoku vs Giyuu (Giyuu wins) mid-high diff
You said. He was fighting with tanjirou who is using sun breathing and akaza was going to blow his body but tanjirou saved him. Rengoku was almost to kill him and hold him until the sun rises with no help or mark like giyu😒
@@AhmedAfify-hq9owgiyuu was actually the 4th strongest hashira without a mark the 3nd is obanai/muichiro 2nd sanemi and 1st gyomei when rengoku was still alive ha was 5th When giyuu got marked he got in to third mind you everyone got already marked
Everybody thinking giyuu is too good bc hes a old hashira but they are not saying muichiro>giyuu Bc everybody talking loves giyuu bc hes cool and silent a depressed man right ?
I believe base Rengoku was stronger than base Giyu at the time of his death. Some forget that Giyu had much more training after Rengoku’s death, something Rengoku never got the chance to. While yes, Akaza was playing around, he got serious once the sun started to get back up. Rengoku’s goal was never to kill Akaza, but save everyone else. He intentionally held back his power to keep the passengers safe. You seem to forget that Giyu and Tanjiro were struggling hard against Akaza, both of them relying on eachother to survive. If it hadn’t been for Tanjiro, Giyu would’ve died easily, and if it hadn’t been for Giyu, Tanjiro would’ve died easily. They didn’t really kill Akaza either, he just got suicidal and killed himself.
This is how you know who read the manga and who didn’t. Giyu destroys Rengoku in most of these stats. People give Rengoku extra feats that he shouldn’t have lmao. He’s not in the top 5 Hashira
Experience goes to giyuu. He was a hashira before Rengoku and Sanemi.
Ooh really😮
@@DONUTLORDEDITZ
Tomioka fue de 1-2 años pilar antes de Rengoku
Tomioka tiene más talento que Rengoku de largo creo la decimosegunda postura y el dominó todas las posturas de la respiración del agua
Rengoku no dominó todas sus posturas y mucho menos creó alguna
La resistencia de Tomioka es la más rota de todos los pilares después de Akaza fue el primero en enfrentar a Muzan y fue el único pilar de pie hasta el final de la batalla, incluso Sanemi se desplomó
Tomioka tiene la mejor postura de defensa de todos, con ella evitó los golpes que a Rengoku le costaron perder tan pronto un ojo y las costillas
Según la autora Rengoku, Tomioka, Sanemi, Mitsuri tiene la misma fuerza física
Pero oye Rengoku le gana en todo.😂😂😂
Experience is not about first/ages
@@DONUTLORDEDITZtf RENGOKU is literally the second weakest hashira even mitsuri and tengen are stronger than RENGOKU stop overating him
but rengoku literally trained himself and became a hashira
Giyuu is so underrated. He is the third strongest Hashira. Right after fighting Akaza with Tanjiro he was the first hashira to encounter Muzan and fought Muzan and after fighting Muzan he was the only hashira that was up and managed to hold back DKT.
Totally agreed
Fax
He would destroy rengoku and make him a donut 2nd time
No giyuu is overrated, bro
@@akatsuki53657 no lol
@Renan Guilherme rengoku, giyu ,senemi,obanai are on same level
Bro *GIYU* survived Akaza , Muzan and even fkn DKT!
WHAT U TALKING!
@RaaynaRimJhimok? But he doesnt
@RaaynaRimJhimStrength > Rengoku
Movement Speed > Giyu
Durability > Giyu
Combat Speed > Giyu
Stamina > Giyu
Endurance > Rengoku
Agility > Giyu
Reflexes > Rengoku
Reaction Speed > Giyu
Attack Potency > Giyu
Skills > Giyu
Swordsmanship > Rengoku
Winner > Giyu
@@ObamaIguroKhauxaTamphat tomyoka lover
rengoku was the strongest when he was alive
after his death he pushed every one else to train more
rengoku with the mark is somthing different
@@Mohamed-Aymen08Lol😂 hes speaking fax rengoku is not the strongest giyuu is 3rd strongest rengoku only 5th strongest😂
@@Mohamed-Aymen08nah do you think an mark rengoku would do any better than mark giyuu😂 even mark rengoku couldnt scratch a thing to akaza while giyuu made akaza a big shot😐
Stamina goes to giyu since he was the only hashira that kept fighting till the very end
he had rest because after akaza fight
@@asylum9868still bro he fight whole night
@@asylum9868that means absolutely NOTHING😂😂😂😂 they would need to rest for a few months for it to count giyuu has the best stamina cope
@@hashiragamers9321 what are saying dim witt?
True
lol experience goes to giyu, giyu is killing demon since hes 12 years old. after sabito diea.
dies
Lol rengoku killed 2 upper moons and 12 lower moons
@@wsg828 what
@@wsg828 huh ? Where was this information 💀 your just a rengoku fan boy
Rengoku killed lower moon 2 by himself before even becoming a hashira
And could have killed lower 1 by himself but only allowed for Tanjiro and inosuke to do it so they could get experience, meanwhile he gave himself the hardest task out or everyone
Also Rengoku has more experience against more powerful oppoenents and has killed many demons, they are likely equally experienced
Ok Einstein, Rengoku is 19 and Giyu’s 21 and Giyu was hashira before Him and older. TF? GIYU DESERVES EXPERIENCE AND STAMINA. BESIDES, he fought Akaza along side Tanjirou ‘won,’ then was the first hashira to encounter Muzan.He survived and was the only hashira that was up to hold off demon king Tanjirou. HE unlocked the demon slayer mark. Survived the Last arc..
Edit:I didn’t mean to cause a whole war in reply section-
Actually rengoku is 20
@@Itz_N.I alr 😶
ye, Giyu may have survived all that but Rengoku fought Akaza ALL alone without any help at all and he was the only one who died, no one else died because Rengoku protected them, so i don´t think that was nothing to do with this at all, Giyu is strong?, yes he is but Rengoku being younger than Giyu and managing to protect 200+ people from Akaza is a big achievement he got, even if he died, and Giyu and Tanjiro only won to Akaza because Akaza remembered his past and his wife and so commited suicide, so i think it was not even his work on that part since he almost died to Akaza but Tanjiro saved him in time (wich i find it strange because if Tanjiro saved Giyu when Akaza was gonna pierce his stomach like he did to Rengoku, then why didn´t Tanjiro tried to save Rengoku .-.) and Giyu surviving all that does not make him stronger because i think that if Rengoku managed to kill Akaza or to at least make it out alive, he probably would get stronger just like all the hashiras and unlock his DS mark and manage to survive everything just like Giyu did (actually Giyu dies at age 25 because of the DS mark so Rengoku would die because of that if all that happened), so yeah, i think both Giyu and Rengoku are very strong no matter what 👍
😂 Not u yapping when akaza was literally playing with him Boi u don't know how strong akaza is rengoku fangirl@@oficialotakoforevermydude
Actually obanai having stamina cause bros fighting and saving tanjiro in final fight altho ded
Giyu's backstory may be overrated af, but in every single thing else he's prob the most underrated character bruh
NAH DON'T BRING UP THE BACKSTORY 😢
agreed
Hello mo
His backstory is not overrated bruh. His parents died then after that his sister was killed, everyone thought it was him and he ran into the mountains while be escorted to get mental help and was found by Urokodaki and then his only friend died.
You do not know what overrated means.
Base Giyu>>Base Rengoku. Akaza while fighting Base Giyu said that he had never fought an opponent that good for 50 years
Yeah he never fought 2 opponents in 50 years while rengoku (base) was just alone fighting akaza💀💀💀
@@adult_karvarshalwdym when akaza said that he haven’t fought a person that good in 5- years tanjiro was having flashback
@@Pokemonfan-ex2jf он сказал не с человеком а с хашира воды👆
He said Water pillar 💀
He said water pillar Einstein
Rengoku with strong breathing but no longer breathing 💀
💀
💀💀💀
💀
Master that technique💀
I'm pretty sure that the guy that you talk about that is so good that is stronger than the guy that you're saying is no longer breathing I'm pretty sure yours is not going to be no longer breathing since he's going to die at 25
stamina goes to giyuu
Rengoku use so many breathing against akaza but will still hold him until sunlight with a hole in his stomach and messed up ribs
@@Jesus_Is_King684 so giyu holded akaza muzan dkt
@@mdaji2232 I don't think were talking about that giyu
@@mdaji2232 giyu fought until sunrise bro 💀
@@SpookyMacDookie I know
Polar opposites lol
Giyu
-water
-defensive type
-quiet and introverted
Rengoku
-fire
-offensive type
-loud and extroverted
Bro then these 2 combined would be a deadly combo
@:D no bruh u mfs overrate rengoku and giyu akaza was violating marked giyu what's giyu and rengoku gonna do against akaza
@@ajjukotra191 Akaza wasn't violating marked giyuu and its opposite, they are underrating giyuu. Marked giyuu > Akaza in speed and other but akaza's blood demon art, hax slowly overwhelm giyuu. And in a result,akaza reached giyuu's stats, made him run out of stamina. Now like some mfs, you probably think iguro,muichiro>giyuu or etc... İ won't even say anything muichiro vs giyuu 💀. Giyuu > muichiro low-mid. For iguro,
Giyuu > iguro mid-high diff. For Rengoku+giyuu vs akaza,
R+G(without mark) =< akaza for stats, extreme for both sides in battle. İts debetable.
I mean water and fire wouldn’t that make stone or something so basically together they can became gyomei
This is how stone breathing was created.
stamina to Giyuu and experience to giyuu also breathing style to giyuu he has more forms he was even able to make a own breathing form
Giyu didn’t make up water breathing, + stamina should go to rengoku because he was able to fight with a literally pierced stomach and by himself
@@keli_jelly I said breathing form not breathing style. And Giyu is definitely able to run for longer periods of time rengoku does not get stamina bro 💀
Yeah giyu made the 11th form for water breathing
Bro gave rengoku experience. 💀 He literally became a hashira after Giyu was already one. (Rengoku Gaiden)
Age?
@@Tez489 Age isn’t all there is to experience. Giyu had slain more demons than rengoku at that point and had more time as a demon slayer, which is why he was a Hashira. (i.e. Muichirou had more experience than Tanjiro when they both started even though his age was lower because he went through higher difficulty opponents)
@@tashiyoedits rengoku born as a swordsman of rengoku family
Bro rengoku has more experience with the katana as he learned it since he was a kid giyu has less exercise
@@Someonewhoduckurmom That means jack shit bro. You gonna tell me Kyojuro’s little brother has more experience than Tanjiro because he was born in the Rengoku family? That’s not experience.
Bro is watching demon slayer from shorts and reels.
he is just right giyuu slams rengoku
he is right giyuu slams rengoku
@@Nate13345yeah but the creator still got a bunch of stats wrong, giyuu still slams
Idk bout what he ranked
As a kny fan who completed the series(anime), I think giyu wins
Rengoku is better with offence, Giyu is better with Defense.
Giyuus underrated fr not only in the manga was he not actually trying his fullest against upper 3 (until he got the mark) but he has more experience since he was a Hashira before rengoku
strength, speed and durabilty go to giyuu, he has mark, he defeated a higher rank demon.
Bro what about physical strength. If you haven’t seen Mugen train, Rengoku literally grabbed Akaza even though he made Rengoku a donut and almost sliced his head until day but then Inosuke cut off Rengoku’s hands even though trying to slice off Akaza’s head.
Which demon that giyu defeated.Giyu has defeated only rui from lower moon
@@MugiwaraGuyDiscontinuedwell in the data book giyu, sanemi, Mitsuri, and rengoku, are said to be of similar strength any one of the 4 could be the strongest in pure strength in a day to day basis. But giyu gets everything else. He's just a better hashira than rengoku in every way.
@@GodsDissapointment that is true
@@FootballEditz448akaza
To be honest I think that this would be An amazing fight if it were animated. Although giyu is more powerful, I would love to see Rengoku and giyu clashing with flame breathing and water breathing.
Whilst I believe Giyu would destroy I’d love to see a flame breathing 5th form and water breathing 4th form clash a massive flaming tiger being wrapped around by a flowing stream of water
Giyu is so overrated bro strength: rengoku, dude almost decapitated upper three (demons dont lose durability while holding back) unmarked. To show how impressive that is think how genya couldn’t decapitate upper 4 in his demon form or how it took a marked sun breathing in the middle of the day to decapitate upper 4, thats sime strong ass strength. Speed: rengoku, bro moved so fast in the mugen train that the train shook so violently that tanjiro felt it while ontop the train. (keep in mind that passenger trains weigh 40-80 tons while empty) durability: rengoku, bro took an air type to the stomach and continued to block the rest of akaza’s attacks. Iq: rengoku, after his dad became an alcoholic he had to learn flame breathing from a book. Biq: rengoku, he learned and adapted to akaza’s air type mid combat after being struck once. Stamina: rengoku, bro tried to decapitate upper three with a fucking hole in his chest. Offense\Defense: Giyu, his breathing is op, defense? You got dead clam and flowing dance, offense? You got constant flux, striking tide, and water wheel to name a few. Ap: =, if Giyu gets enough rotations with his constant flux it could rival rengoku’s power (the breathing technique.) In all rengoku is stronger then giyu. Giyu would’ve died in a 2v1 against 100% upper 3 while marked and with a hashira level demon slayer while rengoku died in a 1v1 against like lets say 40% akaza while unmarked. Rengoku wins high dif
First rengoku could only with the upper moon 3 and giyuu I need help
@@Gdowg1202 giyu is stronger than rengoku. that is an objective, confirmed fact. get off your fanboy nonsense
@@Gdowg1202rengoku pfp what did I expect ,what a clown
Giyuu negs and it's not even close
People overrating rengoku just because he held off a punch from akaza when he was literally getting toyed with from the start. It was already near sunrise before akaza and rengoku fought, just a few minutes before. Giyuu without mark will last longer without a doubt. The last move akaza used that finished off rengoku was the same move akaza used against giyu at the EARLY STAGE of their fight not as a last resort. Giyu without mark casually defended against it while rengoku with his 9th form got punched through his stomach. Not to mention giyuu being the first hashira to face muzan after fighting with akaza in the infinity castle and one of the last two surviving till the end.
Breathing goes to Giyu as Water breathing is used more than Flame Breathing thus creating new forms and techniques
Nah bro Flame braething is strongest bc its ez to get water breathing and you need to be very good to get flame so flmae is batter and i think rengoku would win
@@lazarpetrovic7840 Not to mention i was the one defending all the other Hashiras from Muzans attacks in the infinity castle arc
@@Tomioka-Giyuu97 hell nah if you wanna be the real giyu use water breathing
@@R2R4D2 i did use water breathing 11th form
@@Tomioka-Giyuu97 i meant in real life
There are some people who think rengoku beats giyuu💀
Alright, alright, let’s see ds what if rengoku got his dsm um3 I know he was holding back and whatever but when he got the chest to decapitate him, he would’ve decapitated him if he got his mark and it would’ve been ggs and it was a 1v1 but in the other hand giyuu was 2v1 um3 with a sun breathing user 😮😮
@@bloxfruitkingdom1 for one Rengoku wasn't playing with akaza but akaza was playing with him for two giyuu was not using his max strength against akaza at first until he got his mark and he beat did aloy if damage and Rengoku was going to die anyway if he didn't tanjiro wouldn't have any character development and akaza can regrow his head if you didnt know so your comment is wrong have a good day
P. S
Rengoku couldn't get his demon slayer mark due to tanjiro not fighting with him because that is how it works ig so I don't think he would've gotten it anyway cause tanjiro was scared and Rengoku told him to to help him
well, the water put out the flames 😂
haha
haha
Haha😊
Speed, stamina, experience and breathing should go to giyu
No doubt
Speed stamina and experience ok but know this flame breathing is the third strongest breathing style flame breathing is related to sun breathing also so breathing go to rengoku
@@tugbakorkmaz4833 u have any solid statement regarding it being3rd strongest? If yes please provide
@@tugbakorkmaz4833u dumb or something? Flame and sun breathing look the same but trust me they are way different. Sun is the strongest breathings style. Flame isn't in the top 3 so i think u got that information from mcdonalds.
@@AayuRk28i agree. Giyu became a hashira before Rengoku and Sanemi did.
@@DetectiveYuriYT yes 3rd most experienced hashira
Giyu:water breathing
Rengoku:no longer breathing
Federal prison.
Depression Breathing
⬅️Death
Giyu:🏃♀️
Cry about that
Bro, you can simply know by Giyu is 3rd strongest hashira among of them and rengoku 6th.That's the main reason why Giyuu easily wins over rengoku:-!
My new opinion
Strength Giyu 1-0
- Are interchangeable in base
- Giyu has mark so that makes him physically stronger now
Speed/Combat Speed/Agility Giyu 4-0
- Able to keep with akaza(who was holding back less then the way he fought with Rengoku) for a while
Attack Speed Rengoku 4-1
- 9th Form
- >=
Durability/Endurance/Stamina Giyu 7-1
- Tanked attacks from akaza and Muzan
- Stayed up for both infinity castle and sunrise countdown
Intelligence Rengoku 7-2
- One of the most intelligent slayers he just didn’t have much chance to show it
Battle IQ Giyu 8-2
- More experienced
Skills/Combat Giyu 11-2
- Better in swordsmanship
- Skills >= because Rengoku was able to learning flame breath from books
Power/Hax/Abilities/AP Giyu 15-2
- Mark
- Red Blade
- 11 forms of breath of water
- Able to cut muzans whips
DC Rengoku 15-3
Offense/Defense Giyu 17-3
- 11th form for defense
- Offense >=
Winner Giyu Low-Mid Diff Marked
High Diff in base
Intelligence goes to giyu because he is the most smartest hashira
@@changerona3744That's Shinobu
Isn’t giyu the 3rd smartest hashira tho?(shinobu and gyomei 1st and 2nd)
Potential to rengoku
I’m pretty sure Giyuu takes it because he’s strong already but he would be stronger if he wasn’t so self hating
@@shadowdragon7946 true but rengoku was self taught and didn’t learn all his flame breathing forms, even akaza said he wasn’t near his full potential so it goes to him
@@shadowdragon7946 no cuz water breathing you need to stay calm and collected. That’s why giyuu is very strong it’s cuz of his ability to keep control of his emotions which is why water breathing is perfect for him.
@@GodspokenYTrengoku held his own 1 on 1 with akadza no mark
@@GodspokenYTalmost killing him
Bro got his DS anime from swagbucks😂
My opinion:
Tomioka (base) vs rengoku (base)
Strength: draw
Speed: rengoku
Durability: tomioka
Iq: tomioka
Biq: tomioka
Stamina: tomioka
Experience: tomioka
Hax: rengoku
Endurece: rengoku
Ability: tomioka
Skill: rengoku
Ap: tomioka
Dc: rengoku
Combat: tomioka
Combat Speed: rengoku
Tomioka - 9
Rengoku - 7
Tomioka wins *low-mid diff*
Akaza played around with base Rengoku, not using all his techniques, trying to get him to become a demon and still killed Rengoku. Akaza, after eating people and getting stronger for 9 months, went all out on base Tomioka in a 1v1 trying to kill Tomioka and couldn't kill him. Cope harder, Rengoku fans 😂 what would having a mark change? Even with both having a mark, it would still be Tomioka>Rengoku commonsense, no?
Giyu has better breathing as Rengoku learnt Flame Breathing from books whereas Giyu was taught by the the former Water Hashira
Actually Rengoku was trained by his dad who is a former hashira
@@Hearts_4_myself_ after his mom died he resorted to books and hence he learnt most it from there
A true demon slayer fan never compare hashiras and the saddest moment for me which made me cry was rengoku 's death 😥😢😭
In my opinion my hashira ranking is
1:gyomei himejima
2:giyyu tomioka
3:sanemi shinazugawa
4:obani iguru
5:muichrio tokito
6:kyojuro rengoku
7: kanroji mitsuri
8:tengen uzui
9:shinobu kocho
Let me try to prove this
1.gyomei was said by the creator he was the strongest hashira
2-3giyuu and sanemi fought in the hashira training arc and it was
4.obanai matches the others honestly
Switch Mitsuri and Rengoku and Giyu and Sanemi and then it's good
Guessing this is based off of there fight with Akaza here’s a funfact:Akaza wasn’t really trying while fighting with rengoku but for giyuu in the first half giyuu wasn’t trying but when giyuu got his mark, he actually started trying and got Akazas head in almost 1 blow so giyuus actually is stronger than rengoku!
Strength: Tomioka (It is said by the author that both have the same strength, but Tomioka with the mark is stronger)
Speed: Tomioka (Rengoku was faster before Tomioka awakened the mark, but with the mark Tomioka made Akaza take the fight seriously , and even managed to surprise Akaza)
Durability, resistance, stamina: Tomioka (He withstood several blows from Akaza, Muzan, and some from DKT. He was easily one of the hashiras who fought the longest. He fought against Muzan even though he had broken bones, broken niichirin , fatigue, sore muscles, etc.)
hax, abilytes, BIQ, experience:Tomioka (Created a new way of breathing, has an adaptation in relation to blows, where he can know what the opponent will do just by seeing the muscles flexing, had more training, his swordsmanship is more refined. Has more experience. Has the 11th form)
AP, DC:Tomioka (Equalized his strikes with serious Akaza)
Breath: Both, possibly Tomioka (Water breath has more forms and is more versatile, and Tomioka mastered his breathing better)
Winner:Tomioka
Rengoku is born with a huge strength
@@Calamity_33 And the author herself officially says that Tomioka and Rengoku have the same physical strength.
But Tomioka got much stronger thanks to the hunter's mark.
Tomioka if he could against akaza not like rengoku that they left him as a donut 😂😂Tomioka is stronger than rengoku in my opinion I feel that Tomioka is in the top 3 strongest pillars
Tomioka had the help of tanjiro who at that point was as strong as a Hashira and there was no one to defend or protect, just fight.
That is wrong, giyuu is at top 3 of the most stronger hashira, rengoku is on top 6 of the most stronger hashira!
Giyu is the 3rd strongest hashira
@siko1567no 3rd
Stop underrating him so much ok he is below obanai
kids saying 3rd is underrated while it is confirmed by the creator himself 💀
Bro is a giyuu fan
After fighting with akaza he 3rd strongest
Reflexes and reaction time is literally the same thing
Actually they aren’t reflexes are an unconscious action that you perform to certain stimuli.Whilst reaction time is consciously reacting to all stimuli.
@Mr. Mxyzptlk bro lmao akaza was focused on TANJIRO the whole fight akza wasn't even trying and meanwhile when giyu tried he still got clapped into another dimension
Dude one of his moves makes you see after images of him😭🙏
Bro gave defence to a donut when Giyu literally has some great defence
Bro you have eye problems
Potential should be rengoku. Cause he's the one you didn't get to see with the mark
People overrated Kyojuro (Yes that’s his First Name,Rengoku is the Family name) and forgot how Strong Giyu is,Him and Tanjiro Manage to Survive against Serious Akaza (Granted they have Marks) is a feat alone,And if we factor Hypothetical Kyojuro Marked,Giyu is still More potent than him since Flame Breathing is about Single Strike Hits while Water is Flexible Defensive Breathing which is perfect Counter.
Speaking of Experience,Giyu is already one of the Older Taisho Era Hashira (Tengen is the First Taisho Era Hashira,While Shinobu and Muichiro is the Latest)When Kyojuro is a Hashira,Giyu already has 3 years into the Ranks.
(i saw some People compare about Kyojuro gets training inside The family,Giyu gets at least 2 years inside Urokodaki's House.)
Both are my favourite hashira
You can kind of confirm who has more potential because of Akaza
Yeah cuz rengoku almost kill akaza in mugen train arc meanwhile giyuu need tanjiro to fight akaza and they still didnt kill him akaza kill himself
@@kazutora0468 bro... Wake up to reality 😂 akaza just playing with rengoku.. he's not fight in his full potential.. just don't forget he's 3rd stronger upper rank demon 😈.. nd if he cuts his head still akaza didn't defeat as you watch the power levels of uppermoon in E.T. arc
@@mysterybox5958 lol rengoku held akaza until dawn and almost died and all of the civilians are safe thats why tengen thought himself about how rengoku holds the upper moon 3 without civilians casualties.
I know the demon slayer mark is strong but if giyu w/o mark vs rengoku i go to rengoku.
@@kazutora0468also dawn was less than 5-10 minutes away as stated by tanjiro
Breathing? Whachu mean breathing? Rengoku ain’t breathing no more-
So funny 😐
@@chariesemccollin245 it’s supposed to be a darkish joke yu dont need comment if yu don’t like it?? Yu can scroll thru comments- isn’t that magical??
@@Imgayuunotubefrfrrn Dark or not, it's just corny 💀
@@chariesemccollin245 irdc Wht yu think yu can quite literally ignore comments-
@@Imgayuunotubefrfrrn Ik I can 💀
Base Giyuu vs Base Rengoku :
Strength : equal .
Speed : Rengoku
IQ/BIQ : Giyuu
Skill : Giyuu
Breathing style : Rengoku
Breathing skills (forms/breathing mastery) : Giyuu.
Swordsmanship : Rengoku .
agility/durability : Giyuu .
Stamina : Giyuu .
Offense: Rengoku .
Defence : Giyuu .
Reaction speed : Giyuu .
Winner : Giyuu mid-high diff .
With the mark : Giyuu low-mid diff
Speed goes to tomioka
And i agree with everything
Without mark rengoku claps, and with mark giyu slaps
@@dragonemperor8648 There were 3 mins until sun raise before Akaza started fighting Rengoku , half of the battle was Akaza begging Rengoku to become a demon , and like 30 seconds of Akaza's arm in Rengoku's stomach , so Rengoku didn't last a minute , Giyuu in the other hand fought for much longer without a mark
@@TheEnlightened1ne for base Rengoku is faster stated by the author
Giyu low diffs Rengoku with mark
What? Giyu takes everything. Negative diff. Base no - negative diff.
Bro rengoku win
Strength :- rengoku ( he was able to hold akaza at one place for long time with one hand )
Speed :- rengoku ( even tanjiro and inosuke can't see rengoku speed with his eyes he also speedblizt akaza )
Reaction speed :- rengoku ( react to bullets , react to sanemi attack and react to akaza attack and cut his hand in 2 second )
Defence :- giyu ( 11th form )
Duriblity :- rengoku ( rengoku survive akaza demon explosive attack and air punches where akaza air punch almost killed giyuu )
Endurance :- rengoku ( even rengoku organs destroy and he lost his left eye he was fighting akaza and he give a final blow to akaza i know he can't kill akaza )
Battle iq - rengoku ( no need to explain )
Winner - Rengoku
@@tharabhainatik8803 kringe. rengoku is good for Tomioka even as a snack. this can be understood, if only becauseAs Tomioka didn't die in the base, he was Akaza's strongest style when he used only 3💀 on Rengoku. Giyu, in principle, can do anything. There is not even an abyss between them, there is a whole abyss. Dominance in literally everything
@@freizex bro rengoku was almost cut akaza neck while giyuu was struggling with him i know akaza just played with rengoku but he almost cut his neck
@@tharabhainatik8803 And Giyu almost cut off his neck with a blitz, and what. If he had been fresh and not exhausted, he would have killed him. If it had a transparent world, it would be lightness in general. Giyu takes him down anyway, blitz, just skill, strength, he's stronger anyway. And by the way, unlike Rengoku Giyu, he really held Akazu in solo, only this time serious. By the way, Akaza blocked Chastishili with one of the lower styles. Yeah, Rengoku doesn't stand a chance. Gia is underestimated more everyone, and yet he calmly kills almost all the moons and Hashiro, maybe everyone. I am generally engendered by how it can be so underestimated. He has the strongest feats. Giyu Peak >>>> Akaza, Sanemi, Gyomei and Douma. Kokushibo =>. 11 style is too fancy. Literally any attacks that go into a mod attack will be stopped. In fact, no one can do anything to him, because it is unrealistic to break through the calm even in the base. By the way, they didn’t break it with a mark. It is relevant to say that Giyu is one of the strongest characters in the blade. If we skil him different values, then it turns out just fucked up. In general, Rengoku is food for Giyu, along with Akaza, through whom they are trying to show him something. Giyu solo
@@freizex bro kokushibo >> hashiras
It is confirmed that Giyu's physical strength is greater than that of rengoku 😊
Nah bro
Rengoku has born strong
@@Muichi-Sama rengoku's mom was referring to his talent not his physical strength
@@DavidVast-Chukwuka bruh he has a phusicall strenght too what talent means ?
@@Muichi-Sama he has great physical prowess but i say in an arm wrestle giyu would win....go read the databooks
Rengoku lose because giyu has mark
It’s a base fight, If the author would have considered Marked Giyu, he must have taken all physical points.
He didn't meant base form.
@@theunknown9366 yeah he did, that’s the only reason why Rengoku took strength point, Giyu only used the mark at the seventh point.
Bro everything literally goes to giyuu which drugs are you on💀
Strength , stamina , Hax , abilities, AP , power , IQ , skill , agility, flexibility, range , arsenal , reaction , reflexes and overall speed , …to giyu giyu win mid diff
Bro base giyuu was dodging air types and tanking anhilations. The same attack that killed rengoku.
Speed and durability goes to giyu
Not speed. And durability goes rengoku cuz he kept akaza at bay while he had a whole fist in his stomach. And if I’m not mistaken there was a secondary chapter specifically for rengoku and it showed rengoku tanking demon bullets that would of killed the average human.
@@GodspokenYT rengoku isn't faster than giyu 11th form
tbh im having so much fun reading the drama between giyu and rengoku
Giyu (Buffs) vs Rengoku
Strenght- Giyu
Whilst they were stated to be the same strenght physically by the author, giyu has the mark which should increase his strenght by a bit.
Speed-Not fully sure, maybe giyu because he has the mark which is a pretty big buff.
IQ- Giyu
I think this one goes without saying, giyu is significantly more serious and mature, but rengoku is goofy which is fun.
BIQ-Rengoku I guess bcs he's been training with the sword for longer.
Experience- Rengoku
Whilst giyu is older, I think rengoku started with the sword earlier.
Defense-Giyu
This goes without saying, water breathing (Giyus breath style) is a defensive breath style.
Offense/Attack power- Giyu probably
Whilst his breath style is more defensive, he has the mark which is a big buff, so his attack power should've increased quite a bit.
Durabiltiy- not sure
Rengoku got turned into a donut, on top of having fries and ketchup hair, which even tho akaza, upper moon flipping 3 did it, still. And giyu lost his arm but idk, I guess you guys cam decide on ur own
Stamina-This is hard, because rengoku still had energy to hold akaza by the arm and attempt to try hold him their until the sun rise, and he was very badly injured, so that's hella impressive. But giyu lost a limb and kinda carried the akaza fight, since tanjiro was out cold for a good amount of time, till he went god mode and dogged on basketball head 4 a nit, he still, didn't rlly carry the fight tho. After that, giyu still had energy to quickly yeet the kakushi out of the way to stop them getting turned into a hashtag but demon king tanjiro, like man was literally halfway dead at that point. Sl yeh this time u can decide.
Potential- Rengoku I guess since be trained on his own without a former pillar/pillar/highly trained swordsmen to help him, whilst giyu had urokodaki to teach him and sabito to also teach him new things.
Will power-Rengoku
This one should go without saying. He's very over confident and ready to fight and never doubts himself, and he desperately didn't want anyone on the mugen train to, and came pretty close to holding akaza for the sun to burn him. Even tho akaza would've stomped him easily if he went all out at first, still very impressive, dubs amd kudos to McDonald's hair man. However giyu can also have lots of will power and determination, for example when sabito died, he worked very hard to become a pillar and exceed his expectations. However this still goes to dunkin donuts man.
Skilled-Thsi is hard, both of them are very skilled. However giyu created his own breath form which is impressive, but still I think it goes to to them both.
8-8
Giyu still wins mid diff
Water puts out fire.
Or it spreads it....
Idk just use a fire extinguisher mate
The mark dosent really increase ur physical strength, it increases all the orher categorys
Strength goes to rengoku, the owner himself put Rengoku 3rd as the strongest in a arm wrestling being behind wit tengen and gyomie
💀💀 “water beats fire” that doesn’t matter the author stated the effects you see demon slayers use as there techniques aren’t real and they are just there to show you how they work. But giyuu still wins mid-high dif
Rengoku also created his own form, the 9th form.
@@xwaupreal it massively increases strength😂
experiencia es para giyu, tiene mas tiempo siendo pilar y cazador
en durabilidad y stamina es giyu tmb , pelea contra akaza , peleo contra muzan y todavia estubo de pie para pelear con dkt
y si es con marca
giyu se lleva todo menos offensiva
Fuerza: Rengoku (según la información canónica puede ser Intercambiable)
Velocidad: Rengoku (según información del canon)
Velocidad de reacción: Tomioka (Puede reaccionar a los ataques de seres más rápidos que Rengoku como Sanemi y Akaza)
IQ: Intercambiable (no sé)
BIQ: Ambos (los dos, por lo poco que mostraron, parecen tener el mismo coeficiente intelectual en la batalla)
Habilidad: Tomioka (llevó su respiración al siguiente nivel, mientras que Rengoku no tuvo la oportunidad de dominar al 100 por ciento su propia respiración y Tomioka se alargó específicamente por su habilidad)
Hacks: Tomioka (tiene Dead Calm y la marca)
Talento: Rengoku (si hubiera podido alcanzar su máximo potencial incluso le ganaría a Sanemi)
Experiencia: Tomioka (Tiene 8 años en el campo de batalla)
Resistencia: Rengoku (cuando lo convirtieron en dona pudo seguir luchando un rato)
Durabilidad: Tomioka (tiene Dead Calm, casi obtiene una dona, fue el más expuesto a la sangre de Muzan, perdió el brazo y todavía estaba de pie para luchar contra Tanjiro King Demon)
Estamina: Rengoku (ya que Tomioka no puede usar Dead Calm con frecuencia y la marca lo agota mucho)
Ofensivo: Rengoku (se demuestra que su estilo es más ofensivo, lastima que no está al nivel de Sanemi, aunque Tomioka no se queda atrás)
Defensivo: Tomioka (se especializa en ello, se muestra en su pelea con Akaza y su mini encuentro con Sanemi)
Cuerpo a cuerpo: Intercambiable (Tomioka tiene mejor experiencia, pero veo a Rengoku como más activo en ese campo)
Flexibilidad: Tomioka (según el propio Urokodaki, la respiración de agua, aunque es la más básica, también es la más flexible y se mostró con Tanjiro más claramente)
Hazañas: Tomioka (podría ser comparable a Sanemi, podría seguir el ritmo de Akaza en serio, podría luchar contra Muzan a buen ritmo, etc.)
Tomioka, No-Low Diff (viendo la diferencia entre Muichiro y Sanemi)
@@alguien5568 en BIQ se lo daría a rengoku
Tiene más hazañas que giyu
Pero stamina si o si es para giyu
Tuvo 3 combates en una noche
Apresar de estar herido , no perdía la conciencia
@@ikhergg1512 La verdad, en los ultimos comencé a analizarlo más a fondo, en especial a Tomioka por ser infravalorado generalmente por el fandom, entonces cambiaría algunas cosas como estamina, fuerza (por la marca), ofensiva (por la espada carmesí y sus posturas ofensivas), durabilidad (por no estar seguro), IQ (esta confirmado que Tomioka es de los más inteligentes), etc.
Pero aún no sabía poner con exactitud el BIQ
Bro really put reaction time after reflexes 💀
Cap giyuu takes everything but strength and offense
Strength goes to giyuu cause ds mark
strength in base is equal actually. on the hashira arm wrestling thing mitsuri, sanemi, giyuu, and rengoku were labeled interchangeable
@ricebowl733 no they were not
Rengoku and Mitsuri were ranked 3rd
Gyomei
Tengen
Rengoku or Mitsuri
Sanemi
Giyu
Muichiro
Obani
Shinobu
Also Rengoku has much better strength feats than everyone here tbh besides Gyomei considering he literally over powers akaza with a mortal wound
@@thereaper2568 no
@@kingzseventh7017 it was clearly said that giyuu mitsuri senemi and rengoku are equal in strength and plus for ds mark giyuu also gets a strength buff stop being based 🙄
If we take from all the hashira the demon slayer mark, rengoku was the strongest, he was able to take an upper rank all by himself being even tired, the problem is that he didnt have the greatest iq battle because if he did he would have fought akaza in defence and try to lose time and let the sun rise
Gyomei is the strongest even without the mark. It would be a close 2nd between rengoku and sanemi but I think just in raw strength rengoku would at least get 2nd
Giyuu: water breathing, 69th form, english or spanish?
Giyuu: *truely dead calm*
Demon Giyu: …ok I’m out of here (i mean I actually searched as “Demon Giyu VS Hashiras” but found this)
😂
experience is giyu since he was pillar for way longer
Nah, completamente mal, se está subestimando mucho a Tomioka y le dio el punto a Rengoku en algunos aspectos en los que Giyuu es superior.
Iq goes to rengoku i know he dosen't look that smart but he learnd flame breathing on his own with a book with missing pages he traind on his own giyu learnd water breathing from some one but he invented the 11 form but that was possible because he leard from someone how masterd it and he understood how waterbreathing works rengoku didn't had many pages on the book and that's why he never used the 6 7 8 form meaby there's a 10 how knows plus i love giyuu
Giyuu literally understood how Compass Needle works☠
When
yeah because rengoku was so smart other hashira could not understand how he was so quick to coming up with different conclusions
@Crinshax thats not what fast talking means bro, and he isnt a fast talker he's a loud talker
@Crinshax I've had replies to comments from over 4 months ago mate that's fuck all
Rengoku had a ninth form named Rengoku. Enough said!
And it wasnt enough to kill akaza, then here's giyuu who killed akaza
@@Ken-kl3tjRengoku fought Akasa one on One and almost decapitated him. When Giyu fought Akasa he already knew what Akasa was because of Tanjiro and Tanjiro himself was at Hashira level when he fought along side Giyu. Still they couldn’t finish off Akasa as he kills himself. Imagine Tanjiro from the swordsman arc level fighting along side Rengoku? They would have made easier work of Akasa. You mentioning Giyu’ name means you didn’t mind any spoilers hence I elaborated it more. Sorry for the guys who didn’t know this.
@@mortalkombat2202and akaza could've killed giyu and rengoku if kayuki didnt stop him(i think thats her name)
@@adult_karvarshalalmost right koyuki
@@mortalkombat2202akaza was just toying with rengoku
-Hand to hand doesn’t matter
-You said strength twice, which btw is interchangeable/equal, they both were in the same tier on the charts
-Stamina goes to Giyuu
-Experience goes to Giyuu
-We haven’t seen much of Rengoku’s BIQ, whereas Giyuu figured out Akaza’s BDA
I’d say Rengoku probably has more potential than most other hashira. Just me though.
Your talking about willpower?
@@stayfaceyt8308 No, I mean consider everything in his life. He had little to no professional training. He trained himself and still mastered flame breathing. Everyone else had actual professional training.
He had 2nd most considering he had no mark 1st is Muichiro 4th strongest as 14 and became a Hashira in 2 months
@@Xelram I agree.
Maybe because he wasn't really that old or that young.Like muichiro was hella young and he had a lot of potential but I'm not sure about rengoku.
Actual fact and I am giving giyuu mark and red blade
Strength giyuu
Speed giyuu
Iq giyuu
Biq giyuu
Durability giyuu
Stamina giyuu
Endurance giyuu
Hax giyuu
Ability giyuu
Experience giyuu
Breathing giyuu
Agility giyuu
Offence rengoku>= giyuu
Defence giyuu
Clapped insect girl: giyuu
Giyuu win low diff just try me and say one of this is wrong 🗿
Then your a simp for giyuu
@@bingbong7007 I am simp for only erza and no one else
And can u elaborate why u think marked and red blade giyuu losses to rengoku
@@bingbong7007 imagine liking your own comment 💀
I never said rengoku is stronger
@@bingbong7007 then what is the point of saying that I am simp I openly admit I only simp for erza
make sense ... since Giyu ranked as 3rd strongest hashira and Rengoku was 5th strongest hashira
Rengoku, compared to full power marked hashiras with the red blade is 7th place and that’s not debatable.
@@rayyanjamil6966 k.. anything make you happy😃
All goes to Giyu cuz Giyu is the third strongest among the Hashira
@InocentGamer 69 giyuu is 3/4.
It would be debateble with obanai
@inocentgamer6993He is 2nd with Sanemi. Iguro is 3rd
I bet u are mad about Rengoku.
Rengoku is already dead becuz his weakness make him RIP
Giyu became a hashira in 9 months
Source:trust me bro
@@taxlambo8483 source data book bro
Rnegoku Strengt Rengoku: Fighting Akaza,DIED Giyuu: Fighting Akaza SURVIVED!
Strength*
Giyuu wins
100000/10 reality video
Giyuu is stronger than rengoku
Rengoku's donut breathing isn't strong enough to beat Giyuu's depression breathing.
Speed goes to giyu
Experience goes tô giyu
The fact that rengoku is so underrated is underwhelming he didn’t even use his 6,7and8th form so no one knows if he would’ve won the battle if he had chance to use his form
He didnt know the 6th 7th or 8th form, thats why he didn't use, he's not underrated, he's constantly over hyped with people saying he could solo akaza with mark which simply isn't true
@@fbi9833 k thanks for clearing my doubt
reflexs rengoku bro ?
Bro giyu awk his mark so his had better relfeks cuz his speed increased
All the hashira:terrifying
Mitsuri:✨she was a fairy✨
Zenitsu:twinnnn..where have you beennn
boy… with Rengoku marked akaza would actually fight seriously since he was toying with Rengoku from the beginning and a bit a the end. If he awakened it Rengoku would still lose, not easily but still lose in matter of 10-15 min. Giyuu without the mark facing akaza serious, he managed to fought him off with Tanjiro by his side. Then when he got the mark, he’s able to go toe to toe with him, but the only reason why his 11th form wasn’t able to fend off alaa’s attack was bc he was badly injured due to akaza slamming Giyuu onto a building thing (in the infinity castle). Rengoku vs Giyuu (Giyuu wins) mid-high diff
You said.
He was fighting with tanjirou who is using sun breathing and akaza was going to blow his body but tanjirou saved him.
Rengoku was almost to kill him and hold him until the sun rises with no help or mark like giyu😒
@@AhmedAfify-hq9owgiyuu was actually the 4th strongest hashira without a mark the 3nd is obanai/muichiro 2nd sanemi and 1st gyomei when rengoku was still alive ha was 5th
When giyuu got marked he got in to third mind you everyone got already marked
@SZDWP if rengoku got his flame mark
What place do you think he would be
@SZDWP bro every hashira has his own skills
So you shouldn't put places for them by your self
I love how mitsuri is just flying
Never let bro cook again 💀
No one talking about how rengoku won way more yet giyu still won 💀
Because if they make a 1vs1 giyuu would win.
Editors can't rest when season 5 will be animated😂i am one😢
The glazing in rengoku is crazy ong 💀
No longer breathing / donut hashira vs deppression hashira fight of the century
Yes, the person who fought Akaza, Muzan, and Demon King Tanjiro with very short breaks in between almost loses to Rengoku. Very logical.
bro literally distorted Giyuu whole life😂
Everybody thinking giyuu is too good bc hes a old hashira but they are not saying muichiro>giyuu
Bc everybody talking loves giyuu bc hes cool and silent a depressed man right ?
Rengoku team vote for Rengoku 😢
ngl this fight would be crazy just because if they landed a skill with their breathing style(flame and water) it will just explode calmly.
Experience-Giyu
Physical strength-Giyu
Stamina-Giyu
Battle iq-Giyu
Its all fun and games until they put "Alive"
Giyuu is underrated asf. He fought Akaza, MUZAN, and then held back demon KING TANJIRO. Imagine. 💀
I believe base Rengoku was stronger than base Giyu at the time of his death. Some forget that Giyu had much more training after Rengoku’s death, something Rengoku never got the chance to.
While yes, Akaza was playing around, he got serious once the sun started to get back up. Rengoku’s goal was never to kill Akaza, but save everyone else. He intentionally held back his power to keep the passengers safe.
You seem to forget that Giyu and Tanjiro were struggling hard against Akaza, both of them relying on eachother to survive. If it hadn’t been for Tanjiro, Giyu would’ve died easily, and if it hadn’t been for Giyu, Tanjiro would’ve died easily.
They didn’t really kill Akaza either, he just got suicidal and killed himself.
yes exactly, And tanjiro was hashira level when assisting giyu...
Breathing goes to GIYUU. Water breathing is easy to learn, but hard to master fully. Not only did he do just that, he also created a whole new form
Ah, the good old days when people couldn't scale to save their lives. Thankfully, nowadays people can scale
This is how you know who read the manga and who didn’t. Giyu destroys Rengoku in most of these stats. People give Rengoku extra feats that he shouldn’t have lmao. He’s not in the top 5 Hashira
Don't let bro cook again😂😂