In truth, he would need and I mean need stealth silence,and balls of steel but I'm convinced a full magazine of M82 Barret 50.cal or It's more compact successor the Barret XM500 to the neck would be enough to take out the spinosaurus. Say what you will about the Spinosaurus having thick skin but there's a reason that sniper rifle was originally designed to take down tanks. That thing can punch clean through armor and it can easily puncture through a car but it's loud as hell especially without a silencer (which a silencer wouldn't help much anyways given the crazy senses of the beast) and he would have to certainly shoot it in a prone position which he could only do if he were in fact actively hunting the spino which in itself is just plain crazy.
I'm actually glad you mentioned that, and I agree with you. When I was reading up on the Barrett, I read that it was a high-caliber military weapon. We even saw in the movie that it blew up a plane! At first I thought, "of course this gun would work". The only reason I suggested the Barrett wouldn't work was based on the assumption that Cooper actually shot the Spino. I'm almost certain that Cooper missed, but if he DID shoot it, then the gun didn't blow through the Spino like it's SUPPOSED to, because the Spino is unharmed when it comes out of the trees to kill Cooper. When that happened, I thought something along the lines of "damn, THAT gun didn't even work? That's some thick skin!". Maybe I just interpreted it differently, but regardless I should have covered each scenario.
Yes and I'm certain he missed as well because everything was happening so fast, there is almost no way he could have landed a good shot on the beast, because lets be honest the spinosaurus is terrifying and to stay calm like a sniper is suppose when the spino is charging full force at you would be next to impossible especially with the tremendous recoil of the gun. He actually would have had a better chance of survival if he had not fired a shot and just hustled back.
In real life a single .50 cal bullet would absolutely massacre the Spinosaur. A single round from select elephant rifles or even a well-placed .308 would likely kill it. Firearms have devastating effects on any organism.
This is awesome! In the years between Jurassic Park 3 and Jurassic World, I wanted Roland to come back and hunt the Spinosaurus FOREVER! I often wandered how he would feel if he were to see a Spinosaurus on the island and if he would have attempted to claim it as a trophy! So many cool scenes that could've happened!
Sadly the actor passed away. He would of been a good character returning to the franchise as a high experienced ranger for the park, giving beginners training on how to handle dangerous carnivore situations and how to survive in a dinosaur attack.
Sadly, i think he retreated from hunting after he lost his best friend on that island. He came there as a hunter and left there thinking that island was too dangerous.
I am a firearms expert and it’s safe to assume that Cooper did not hit the spino with the Barret. He was shooting rapidly and that weapon requires the shooter to be in the prone or laying down to be used effectively. Plus .50 bmg is an anti material weapon meaning that can be used against light armor and with API ammo can defeat up armored humvees and similar vehicles. This would be his best bet as long as he could get a proper shooting position.
I also never thought Cooper hit the Spino with his gun. That thing had incendiary rounds as we saw earlier in the movie, and yet there wasn't a single scratch on the dinosaur when we first saw it.
Um, no, there's nothing "easy" about killing big game with, what amounts to a pea-shooter compared to the size of the animal. Big game hunters are animal experts, master shots and men (or women) of no small courage taking big risks. Roland could have killed the Spinosaurus, probably, but, more than likely, with the same gun, you or I would be Spinosaur chow.
The spinosaurus survived several explosive bullets, and was hit by a plane on its spine (The sail is really extended vertebrae). With a rocket launcher, it would be no contest.
@@varanid9 .600 nitro express is anything but a pea shooter. Movies just love to downplay the effectiveness of modern weapons against fictional creatures.
@@varanid9 I agree completely. To add to your point, someone like Roland Tembo would have done effective research on the anatomy and habits of his prey before setting foot on that island. Even professional hunters armed with a double rifle chambering 600 NE rounds ultimately favour shot placement over calibre. Brain, heart or lung for the initial shot, as well as for the follow up depending on how the animal reacts thereafter. This requires pin point accuracy and nerves of steel. If the shot placement isnt good as the animal decides to charge, its game set and match. It was said by an author with regard to dangerous game that sometimes it's less like you're feeding them lead and more like you're feeding them vitamins, as they just keep coming.
the neck and belly is the thinnest part...and his elephant gun from a camoflaged position would be perfectly adequate since hed have time to reload with the spino being stunned by the first two slugs, and by Roland being hidden....the M-82 fired by Cooper most likely missed...a 20mm round would go through armored military vehicles...a direct hit from that to the Spino wouldve killed it on the spot
I considered the neck as a potential target, but I remember that when the T-Rex bit the Spino's neck, it barely broke the skin, and it has a very strong bite force. So I figured if the T-Rex couldn't get through, there's no way a little tranquilizer needle could.
Good point. So then in this case, Roland would have to be VERY close to the Spino's face in order for the tranq dart to potentially puncture the skin. That'd be suicide! Not so ideal :P
@@JeremyJamesPrutchick I think t rex's bite did nothing just because they wanted new "overpowerd" carnivore to make some ticket sales. Roland would just shoot it to brains and spino is dead. But great video! 👏
@@RasseLTD in Jurassic franchise the trex including rexy don't have a bone crushing bite force, the trexes including rexy bite force are bite and shake till its dead, if it's reality then yes trex does have a bone crushing bite force.
If you remember that Eddie Carr has a rifle that shoots darts that ends the animal before it even feels it, as what he claims. It would be Roland's ideal weapon if he wants a safer and stealthy kill.
I'd like to think so too, but then again (for example), the trailers in The Lost World novel were supposed to be indestructible and we both remember how that turned out LOL Dinosaurs are badass!
With all due respect I disagree with this video, Roland could have confidently taken a Spinosaurus with his (assumption) .600 nitro express, he'd be better off if he ran hardcast but a 900gr bullet traveling at 1850fps with a well placed shot could do it with a head shot. I also disagree with the minigun because it's chambered in .308 Winchester which is super light for something like this. The absolute best tool for this would be a .50bmg since the round has shown to penetrate steel easily and is heavy enough to do sufficient damage. If we assume that the JP universe is identical to ours and that if he had time to practice with it an Anzio Ironworks 20mm would be top notch. Speaking of which that is the one thing Roland has that the spino doesn't it's time for preparation and planning. So I agree that Roland could take it, but disagree with the choices of tools being used.
Kenny the neighbor guy impossible because remember that nash,udesky,and cooper shot the spinasaurus with the barret it didn't do any damage and I highly doubt he would kill it
I'm sorry but that's not accurate, Cooper was the only one who shot and there was no indication of him hitting the spino, if anything Cooper was so rattled that he most likely missed since there's no marks on the spino for the rest of the film
In agreement with fellow hunting and firearms experts, I believe it's safe to say that Roland, with his storied past and years of experience, as well as using his ideal weapon, would undoubtedly kill the Spinosaurus if he could lure it onto his playing field.
"It could be said that this dinosaur was unstoppable." Then I think about how it was completely unable to even DENT the steel doors leading to the aviary and I kind of chuckle. Not at you, but at that thought. I'm not sure which source you used for the Spinosaurus' size, but the JP3 size chart lists it as 43ft 9in, not 46ft. Small difference, but it's there. Also, I'm not entirely sold on the Spinosaurus being the creature talked about in Wu's backdoor entry. It may make sense to explain why it looks different from the current idea of one, but there's still an in-universe idea that works just fine too. That's simply what InGen scientists believed the Spinosaurus to look like back in the late 90s (when it would've likely been conceived and birthed). Science says otherwise now, but back then it was acceptable. I don't see why that makes any less sense than the hybrid theory. I've said it in a few comment replies below, but I very much doubt Cooper hit the Spinosaurus with his gun. If he did, it's one of the most glaring inconsistencies in the franchise, since the Spino was then wounded by a plane propeller, which should certainly do less damage than something designed to get through heavy armor. Roland's elephant gun would be more than enough to put a stop to the Spino if it was intended to bring down a fully grown male Tyrannosaurus rex. The only way I see Roland losing this is if he got reckless and made a mistake, otherwise he's too good of a hunter.
Maybe I should've said it was un-defeatable LOL I actually used two sources for the Spino's size; the JP wiki, which cited the Jurassic World Field Guide book, so I edited the picture to reflect that. I recorded the line first and when I got the chart picture, I saw it was 43ft. I couldn't find a picture from the book, so I just edited in the 46ft. Good eye, though! I can see where you're coming from for the whole "appearance" thing. Dr. Wu mentioned that it was null allele on the Masrani site. If I'm not mistaken, null allele basically means a gene is a copy of another, but it doesn't have the same function as the original source. Something along those lines. So yeah, but I don't necessarily base the hybrid theory off of its appearance alone. I lean more towards the "hybrid theory" now because Dr. Wu referred to it as an "accident", which to me, sounds like it was never meant to happen, but it did. He also mentioned that it had limitless capabilities; they likely had to leave it on Isla Sorna because it was just too dangerous. Funny thing; I was actually going to talk about the plane hitting it, and it apparently brushing it off, but I cut that part out because I couldn't flow it into words. While I do agree that Roland's elephant gun is powerful, I gotta ask; how would it fare against an animal many times bigger than an elephant? I mean, an elephant and a Spinosaurus are two VERY different animals! All the same, I don't doubt Roland's skill in the least bit; he's just that good.
Jason Krueger to be honest even though this creature was massively exaggerated in JP3 in reality it's claw were able to cut through steel so yeah that was a weird idea for it stop at a gate
I still believe that there were two Spinosaurus in the area, Cooper was already injured after her fired off his shots, and that’s why I believe he had a head start and made it to the air field, he had to have been clawed at or tossed around but he still was able to run.
I watched these movies and can say I honestly think nobody ever shot any dinosaurs, with exception to the dart scene & the rocket that blew up the raptor. They seemed like near misses or the didn't show damage. Barrett .50 rounds can nearly punch through 1" of armor, so thick skin isn't going to stop it.
You don't think so, eh? When you said "or didn't show damage", do you think that the Barret bullets were ineffectiv? I mean, we figure that if the Barrett could blow up that scrap plane, then it should be able to cause some damage to the Spino... But if it DIDN'T hurt the Spino, it makes you wonder...
When I first watch JP 3, I l always though Cooper miss all his shot, because Barret is not an easy gun to handle, plus he is being chased by Spino, so my guess is he did miss all his shot so the Spino is not hurt... OR if I remember correctly, cooper is not using the regular 50 cal, he using the explosive one (?) si thats why its dont leave any wound
Yeah I agree, 50cal power is formidable, thats why its called Anti-Material weapion.. Thats why Copper probably miss all his shot, because shoot a big running dino towards you using high power gun is difficult...
If Roland Tembo was back in Jurassic Park 3 he should come back to Isla Sorna Site B to hunt and kill a Spinosaurus a male a buck only and not the female
I love the video but as you mentioneed earlier you're not a firearms expert and that's totally fine we all have our specialities. So just to be clear I'm not knocking you or the video. The double rifle used in be Tembo in my opinion would be totally adequate. The cartridge it is chambered for is 600 nitro express which is one of the most powerful cartridges it's considered a stopping round. It's designed to stop charging bull elephants in it's tracks with one shot. In the big game community it's considered an "unsportsmanlike " round because of its power. With proper shot placement it would do the job just fine. Same with anything in 50 bmg which is designed to punch through heavy steel armor. I think that the guys in jp3 missed their mark. As a side not the cartridge they shot was a fictional round. The Bob Searcy double rifle Tembo uses had the majority of its action work done by Kirk Merrington in Kerrville Texas. I did my apprenticeship as a gunsmith under Kirk so I kinda know what I'm talking about. Interesting fact there are two rifles like the one in the film both were valued at 250,000 US dollars when they were made. Like I said love your work
Emitt Ozuna This guy is right. The rounds that Roland had sabotage by Vince in the Lost World were designed to shoot through inch thick plate armour. They wouldn't have any trouble punching through a dinosaur's hide.
You were also for getting another tranquilizing technique that was used by Muldoon in the novel. In the novel in modified AT-4 rocket launcher was used with canisters that held a giant syringe full of Moro. Now I believe Roland is Stelthy enough to sneak up on the racks and get within the 50 m range for the laser guided rockets and hit a perfectly good target and knock the spinosaurus down. And unlike the novels Roland will remember to charge the batteries
The thing about the M82 Barrett is the bullets are more than likely ball and not FMJ or Armor Piercing if it has such thick hide which is a large mass compared to a very small mass so the needle would pierce the hide.
All you have to do here is shoot at the fin on the dinosaurs back it is connected to it's spine so if that gets damaged more likely the Spino will fall
Good video man. However, not criticising you, but the poor plot writing behind JP3 when Cooper shoots spiney with the m82 50. Rifle; one shot to the head, and you've decapitated a dinosaur with a bullet.
I image if this as to happen Roland would try and approach the dinosaur from a upwind position giving him the advantage. If you go back to the Lost World the reason for taking the baby rex out of the nest was because they were downwind. As Roland put they T-Rex would know they were at the nest before they stood a chance. Basically anything downwind means the animal will smell you as your scent will be carried on the wind towards the animal. Giving away your presence to any other animal or in this case Dinosaur in the area. Roland as an experienced game hunter understands this concept, he has done this on many predators and is used to using the wind to his advantage. Due to this reason I think he would hunt and take down the Spino using his stealth and skills.
keep in mind he is no inexperienced hunter... it would depend on a lot of things. Space and gun type, the gun he brought in the lost world is no problem but he would have to know where to aim it
You forgot to to mention how Roland could've used Rex piss poured somewhere to lure the spino since the movie says their piss attracts spinos. But this is if Roland somehow found this out. Maybe after watching a Rex leave its piss somewhere and notice how it attracts a spino
This is crazy for me to see, but , Roland in the film who was Pete in real life lived very near my house in England and was very good friends with my parents, I met him and have been to his house on multiple occasions and he was almost named as my Godfather!!! However he passed away which meant that that was not a possibility
Spinosaurus isn't a hybrid; it actually existed in the early cretaceous period. It lived near water and hunted fish and other aquatic animals. It is believed to have been as aggressive as its portrayed in JP3
If hes going for kill or capture is the difference maker mainly. Roland would most likely use a vantage point like the high hide and a extremely powerful gun like a modded .50 cal sniper rifle with special rounds. The spino was more a water dino so i see it being along the outer perimeter of the island. Thus a spotting of the creature and placement of vantage point would be crucial. The spino isnt a climber and most likely being solo it wouldnt risk going into heavy rex territory. Granted a juvenile rex is a vood pick for it due to elimintaion of a future threat.
It's long, it's high but quite skinny and the scales are like on a croc on the upper body parts, the parts you couldn't even properly aim at from the same elevation. So from the same elevation level all the body parts you would aim at would be only covered in skin comparable or slightly tougher than the usual big game.
The mini gun can also be carried by hand but it will limited his speed chances of out running the spinosaurus, he could put the mini gun camoflage, somewhere he knows to locate.
While I would not consider myself as a firearms expert, I'm ex-military and actively belong to a gun club. One, I don't think Cooper got to shoot the Berrett rifle, because I believe they were caught off guard while setting up a perimeter. Two, the sounds I heard likely came from Cooper's pistol than from the rifle. Roland's own rifle is what's considered an elephant gun, designed to take down large game. In WWI they were used by the British to take out German snipers hiding behind steel shields in No Man's Land, having enough velocity and power to go through metal and killing what ever is behind it. Compared that to the Barrett, which would definitely do more damage and a much bigger hole, plus longer accuracy.
Based on the rifle in the lost world that Nick Van Owen unloaded it looked like a .375 h&h mag but a .700 nitro express is a common big game round and based on Roland's personality he'd want to take it down without using a mini gun
ok, this makes since Spino being a hybrid. Studies have shown it being a 4 legged hunter. so if you hybridize it then it would make sense for it being a two-legged
They could dig a big hole in the ground large enough for the spinosaurus, put pillars under the foundation that would be strong enough for people, but would break once the spino walked on it. Then they just shoot it with tranq darts.
Before Roland used the Grizzly Big-Bore, he had possessed a Searcy Double Barrel Rifle chambered in .600 Nitro Express, which is an African big-game cartridge. Nick Van Owen, however, sabotaged the rounds he had loaded and Roland's ammunition bearer, Ajay Sidhu, was carried away by the mob of fleeing hunters and killed in the tall grass fields by Velociraptors. .600 and .700 Nitro Express are heavy and cumbersome to carry around, so of course Ajay would carry Roland's reserve ammunition whilst only lightly arming himself with a Winchester Model 70, chambered in .30-06 which was used in a variety of American rifles in World War II for point of reference. Owen Grady, the Raptor Trainer in Jurassic World, uses a Marlin Model 1895SBL chambered in .45-70 Govt. another cartridge used in African big-game hunting, though not as cumbersome as Nitro rounds. Barry, Owen's friend and co-worker, uses a short-barreled Smith and Wesson Model 500 revolver, specifically loaded with jacketed hollow-point (JHP) rounds which can generate up to and beyond the same muzzle velocity and stopping power of the aforementioned .45-70 Govt. and its variants. Every weapon mentioned up to this point, aside from the Winchester Model 70, will have no difficulty putting animals the size of a pachyderm in the dirt the same as they would a man. We've seen InGen hunters and Masrani security combat dinosaurs with a number of small arms that are completely invalidated by the size of said dinosaurs. This is supposed to communicate that big hunters like the Tyrannosaurus, Spinosaurus, and Indominus are seemingly invulnerable to every conventional weapon available. Conventional weapons are defined as such through their usefulness in conventional, as in the standard expectation of, combat. What is the standard expectation of combat? Humans shooting at each other with small arms, most likely with bullets that are either Soviet holdovers or neutered by NATO for the sake of disabling rather than effectively killing. Of course the mercenaries shooting the AKMS's, HK91A2's, M16A2's, and HK417's, alongside the idiots who thought bringing PDW's and SMG's to a dino fight was a good idea, are going to end up being the main course if they don't immediately cut and run. The unconventional weapons are the big-game hunters. The weapons and ammunition designed exclusively for killing animals the size of the apex predators that roam two of the five Cinco Muertes. It didn't just end with weapons though. Characters like Muldoon and Tembo, Kenyan and South African respectively, possess invaluable knowledge of African big-game and because it's the only realistic point of reference any tactician can have for realistically combating dinosaurs, it's no surprise that one became a warden and another was hired to lead a hunting party. Grady was in the United States Navy before he was hired to be the Raptor trainer, and though he perhaps lacked the knowledge of the aforementioned reference point, he's proven himself to be the tactician with sharp wit. Well, sharp enough to survive two movies so far. Notice how we almost never get to see any of the three effectively use the weapons in their respective arsenals? A Franchi SPAS-12 loaded with slugs could plausibly bag a raptor but Muldoon was ambushed and killed before he could fire a shot. Alan Grant may have fired several shots himself, but his shooting over the phone was erratic and panicked, causing him to most likely miss and we can confirm this based on the fact that no visible gunshot wounds appear on any of the pursuing raptors that all seem to be present and accounted for. Roland's Searcy would've put down the bull T-Rex like it would have any Rhinoceros or Elephant, but Nick Van Owen, the little shit-fucker, had to sabotage his ammunition. Grady appears to get shots off from his Marlin during the T-Rex's fight with Indominus, but .45-70 Govt. is lightweight compared to Nitro rounds and it would be logical to assume that he was also trying not to shoot the Velociraptors assisting in the fight, meaning he couldn't easily aim for vital organs, arteries, or soft tissue. Also, in acknowledging the usage of .50 BMG, the ammunition used by the M82A2, both are considerably cumbersome to carry around much like the Searcy and its ammunition. A smaller, yet similarly capable (Note that I did not say equally capable) round can be fired from a rifle designed around the Armalite design platform (AR-10, AR-15, M16, M4, etc.). Enter the Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf. As far as minimum thresholds go, this is my recommended minimum threshold for conventional firearms purpose-built for combating humans being re-purposed for dinosaurs. No fancy, military-grade plinkers, it's either anti-materiel, African big-game, or go home. Of course, striking a balance between stopping power and encumbrance is perhaps the biggest challenge for anyone hoping to score a trophy.
Great content. A few questions and ideas. What is Roland's objective? This bloke is organized, so he'd already know which way he'd want things to go, and if we're keeping with canon A. he'd have been contracted to capture it alive and B. this would have been before he decided "I've spent enough time in the company of death." Another thing is Roland isn't a nub- he wouldn't be alone. He wasn't when he was initially hunting the bull. Time- Roland has presumably hunted large predators, and so has likely spent greater than a week setting up a hunt, including motion-activated ir game cameras, or if he's really clever, seismometers, and will know ~200m where it is. With the big bore, a shot in the mouth is the ideal shot, into the soft tissue and circulation nearest the brain, and given he's choosing the place of the encounter, with bait, this wouldn't be a tough shot. Dig or drop a shelter to hide in, place the ambush near falling water, and it might not even hear the report of the rifle. If he can't get the shot, rifle 2 or 3 might have an angle. All of this assumes he's A. been sensible enough to leave and return or B. at the beginning of the movie. Given Roland's not a derp, this is how he'd do it, and know **not** to after all hell breaks loose. Unknown quantity Spino is a hybrid, by necessity. All of the critters are. Roberta is a hybrid, patched with emu or chicken DNA [ CRISPR results indicate theropods are positively avian dinosaurs ] so Spino would probably be salvaged from crocs and gators or some species of monitors, but given its unlikely two legged stance maybe a form of basilisk lizard that would explain its hyperactive attitude and speed. Roland couldn't possibly know what some of its hidden abilities are- unless he had access to the notes of the nerds raising the beast. All of that may very well have been scuttled in the evacuation in the first go-round [JP]. This is the unknowable. Just the strength of the creature along with its speed and most of all its stealth in the water would make this truly dangerous. All of this is opinion. If I were to assign odds out of ten, I'd give Roland/Spino ~7/3 - 6/4
Imagine how cool it would be in a movie if Roland was trying to hunt and kill a fully grown male T.Rex, but out of nowhere the Spinosaurus appears and battles the Rex, killing it before Roland ever got a chance to shoot it; than Roland battles the Spinosaurus with his gun and who knows what would happen
That was an In-gen modified Spinosaurus not an ordinary one,if Roland could take down a T-Rex,then he can definitely take down a Spinosaurus,as for the Ingen one,It's going to be a Huge gamble,but there's a slight possibility.
I have a decent amount of knowledge on firearms. A .50 BMG is a massive cartridge that can punch through steel armor. A hit from that especially if you know where to aim and are an experienced hunter like Roland would drop most dinosaurs
I think the main thing that you are missing is; the movies have plots where the dinos and some characters are the main characters, while the rest are plot "bumps". So in real life most dinos would get killed faster then a aftertought. So Tembo, hunts, stalks, and adds the spino to his trophy collection.
It would be really cool to see this happen but the guy who played Roland Tembo has passed away ( Pete Postlethwaite January 2, 2011, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom )
The reason Cooper didn’t get far was because he stopped to look and then started running from the spino. If he didn’t start he may have gotten farther.
A 600.nitro was seen in the lost world but not in action but in reel life the shells alone are 76mm in length. It would be a devastating wepon and if he doesnt use it he could use the Tsar bomba in stead
roland would use the big boar with the baiting method because the smell of the rotting carcass will cover his scent while the spino is eating he can shoot it with a lethal though the eye or behind the eye for the kill to work
Jp3 would have been a MUCH shorter movie if Cooper’s shot had connected, because, despite plot armor for Spino, there is no way he would’ve survived a hit in the vital area. Only a hit to the tail or possibly his fin would have not been fatal
That double barrel rifle he has in The Lost World is a elephant hunting rifle, and it’s a very powerful rifle to use, he probably will that but he might use a very powerful amino type or a Barrett but with armo piercing rounds imo
If some kid could survive for a view weeks/mounths basicaly being Spino's neighbour, and had no weapons at all, I think it's easy to assume that adult hunting master with some good hunting rifle would deal with it to... A lot of bullets was wasted in this film, becouse of some random shooting and not triggering well, and also like in every movie, guns allways working only when plot need's them to... Red jackets don't usualy have great aiming etc... If I remember correct, T-Rex from second JP movie was shooted a lot as well, again random shooting. My guess is that Roland wouldn't go hunt the Spino with no preps, he would know Spino's habits, he would know where to hide and wait for the Spino and he would have the best weapon for it. U have to also remember that T-Rex was drugged, not killed, and this is not a case of pearcing damage done by the darts, but the drugs only(and we all remember how big dose of it T-Rex got). So it's not the case of how deep can dart penetrate the Spino's body, but how powerfull is the drug. Also the adrenaline comes to play a big part in it to. T-Rex was shooted by dart when finding his child, Spino was buffed with the adrenaline in most scenes, I'm pretty sure experienced hunter wouldn't try to fire at attacking Spino, also he would got spotted so early. The nature of Jurassic Park movies is that every villain will get some pretty epic death, and Roland wasn't villain at all, he wasn't evil or corruped, that's the reason he lived at the end... My point is, that he would have pretty good chance of winning with Spino too. I think all Roland would need is one good shot at the Spino's eye, neck, belly or even mouth, when staying well hidden on some tree...
just a thought about the darts not piercing the skin, the mosquitoes that contained the DNA in INGENs patented DNA recovery process were able to pierce the skin.
That's a very good thought! I'm almost at a loss for words! Only thing I'm thinking at the top of my head is that the mosquitoes were probably able to get WAY down into the nooks and crannies of the skin, where the skin may be weaker and then drink the blood. Or even drink from wounds a Spino got from fighting another dinosaur. All the same, excellent point!
Spinosaurus would be just another big game trophy on Roland's wall. I doubt it had skin as tough as an indominus rex, especially against 50 cal. rounds. Every person who holds a gun just so happens to be a shitty shot. Not to mention how the plane propellers tore through the spinosaur's back upon take-off.
I mean, if we analyzed this battle in terms of a "death battle" like people do with other fictional works like DC and Marvel, the Spinosaurus has a consistent durability and strength feat of surviving a collision with a plane, destroying said plane, and tearing down a steel barrier/wall with ease making it pretty hard to kill regardless of the validity of the 20mm shots from Cooper. JP3 Spinosaurus has around the same durability as a military tank without the 20mm feat; it was in all intent and purpose designed as the endgame movie monster for the finale of the Jurassic Park Cinematic Universe . . . until they decided to greenlight World.
Roland could have used a rocket launcher if he wanted to. He was granted permission by InGen to hunt the MALE rex. InGen had no interest in bringing male animals to the mainland or Nublar. Which meant Roland could have used whatever he wanted to hunt it. The best explaination we have for Roland choosing the 700 nitro express DB rifle is quoted straight from his mouth. "I retain the right to hunt the male, a buck. How and WHY is my business." I'd say Roland wanted to be killed by the rex, but not without being able to bite back just as hard as the rex (Equally) and not just slaughter the thing. In the deleted scenes Roland is portrayed as a man who has lived life to its fullest and is ready to go on his "Final Hunt". There's a good chance Timbo wanted to either come out as the victor or get eaten, but on equal ground only. Once he saw that his bullets were gone, it was an unfair fight and timbo didn't want to go down without at least being able to bite back. That would just be a dishonorable suicide. SO.... He ran and escaped instead.
They say the rifle in jp3 was a einhorn 20mm ur right about it being a Barrett bullpup but the movie says the spino was shot at least once with a 20mm (about double the size of the .50) in real life no biological animal could survive a 20mm( or.50 for that matter)
T Rex is bigger because both are 20 ft tall and the spino is that height because of the sail but it is 6 ft longer. So if the spino didn't have the sale it would be smaller. But if the spino had the fin it would be the same size.
The chart was altered because there was updated info from a recent Jurassic Park book; I think it was the Jurassic World Field Guide. The original chart was from 2001. I changed the chart to reflect what was written in the Field Guide.
Jeremy James Prutchick oh okay that's understandable, would be kinda weird if the Spino was smaller than Rexy in length, whos 44 ft long. Thanks for explaining though I still think its length is 43 ft and 9 in but it's subjective.
The mercenaries obviously missed vital organs or didn't hit the spino at all. Just because they're good at fending off human targets doesn't mean that they'd be good at fighting animals. Also, when a person hunts an elephant or a buffalo, even with a very powerful rifle (including the 600 nitro express double rifle that Roland carries), you have to aim properly or you're just going to piss off whatever it is you're shooting at, so it's very likely that even if the mercenaries hit it, because they didn't know what they were doing, their shots were ineffective.
The Beret would have no problem taking it out. One shot. First the movie does not show if a shot actually hit the creature. Also something to note about the movie is that they never expected to run into something like that, also being unprepared and more than likely never been in a situation in which dinosaurs are around these "professionals" were severely unprepared. Yes Roland had never been in contact with dinosaurs prior to his movie appearance yet his big game hunting experience gave him knowledge of the predator mind set. If Roland was able to find out the basic whereabouts of the animal and had the Beret .50 the only reason why it may take more than one shot is if he missed a lethal blow. That firearm was built with the purpose of taking out helicopters and soft shelled vehicles from large distance. It can take down anything that walked the planet given the right shot placement.
The Mercs from the third movie didn't kill the Spino cause they most likely missed. Sure they landed a few body shots with their guns, but regardless of what ammunition you use, a body shot to the 10 ton Apex Predator is just going to piss it off at best. Roland is a hunter, he hunts big game for a living and know where to place his shots to maximize his chances at putting down his prey, unlike the Mercs who are probably more used to dealing with cartels and pirates which are child's play compared to a prehistoric predator.
I think if Roland got in the right position and got a clear enough aim on the Spinosaurus's spine he could kill it but that's only if he had a clear enough shot.
1. Grizzly Big Boar in real life is a single shot 50bmg rifle and in the movie it was a tranquilizer gun. So 50/50 on working? 2. Barrett M82A2 is also a 50bmg, not a 20mm like they said in the movie. Also what is a military rifle? Really, it's just a rifle. 3. m134, that's just cancer Since Roland is a fudd, he would most likely use his Searcy Double Barrel Rifle. Not picking at OP, just wanted to shine some light on the guns here.
In truth, he would need and I mean need stealth silence,and balls of steel but I'm convinced a full magazine of M82 Barret 50.cal or It's more compact successor the Barret XM500 to the neck would be enough to take out the spinosaurus. Say what you will about the Spinosaurus having thick skin but there's a reason that sniper rifle was originally designed to take down tanks. That thing can punch clean through armor and it can easily puncture through a car but it's loud as hell especially without a silencer (which a silencer wouldn't help much anyways given the crazy senses of the beast) and he would have to certainly shoot it in a prone position which he could only do if he were in fact actively hunting the spino which in itself is just plain crazy.
I'm actually glad you mentioned that, and I agree with you. When I was reading up on the Barrett, I read that it was a high-caliber military weapon. We even saw in the movie that it blew up a plane! At first I thought, "of course this gun would work". The only reason I suggested the Barrett wouldn't work was based on the assumption that Cooper actually shot the Spino. I'm almost certain that Cooper missed, but if he DID shoot it, then the gun didn't blow through the Spino like it's SUPPOSED to, because the Spino is unharmed when it comes out of the trees to kill Cooper. When that happened, I thought something along the lines of "damn, THAT gun didn't even work? That's some thick skin!". Maybe I just interpreted it differently, but regardless I should have covered each scenario.
Yes and I'm certain he missed as well because everything was happening so fast, there is almost no way he could have landed a good shot on the beast, because lets be honest the spinosaurus is terrifying and to stay calm like a sniper is suppose when the spino is charging full force at you would be next to impossible especially with the tremendous recoil of the gun. He actually would have had a better chance of survival if he had not fired a shot and just hustled back.
Good point!
Steven Mann I got a question why didt rexy kill blue?
In real life a single .50 cal bullet would absolutely massacre the Spinosaur. A single round from select elephant rifles or even a well-placed .308 would likely kill it. Firearms have devastating effects on any organism.
This is awesome! In the years between Jurassic Park 3 and Jurassic World, I wanted Roland to come back and hunt the Spinosaurus FOREVER! I often wandered how he would feel if he were to see a Spinosaurus on the island and if he would have attempted to claim it as a trophy! So many cool scenes that could've happened!
Sadly the actor passed away. He would of been a good character returning to the franchise as a high experienced ranger for the park, giving beginners training on how to handle dangerous carnivore situations and how to survive in a dinosaur attack.
Klayton Fioriti k
Sadly, i think he retreated from hunting after he lost his best friend on that island. He came there as a hunter and left there thinking that island was too dangerous.
WOuld have negated his character development at the end of Lost Word.
You and me both Klayton ! Always been curious about this concept !
I am a firearms expert and it’s safe to assume that Cooper did not hit the spino with the Barret. He was shooting rapidly and that weapon requires the shooter to be in the prone or laying down to be used effectively. Plus .50 bmg is an anti material weapon meaning that can be used against light armor and with API ammo can defeat up armored humvees and similar vehicles. This would be his best bet as long as he could get a proper shooting position.
I also never thought Cooper hit the Spino with his gun. That thing had incendiary rounds as we saw earlier in the movie, and yet there wasn't a single scratch on the dinosaur when we first saw it.
I just wanna know how the Spino survived getting hit by the plane!...I mean dear god!! a plane!!!!
A goof, maybe? If Cooper by some chance DID hit it, that is.
I dont know, there was blood all over the side of the fuselage, at the least it would be stunned and retreat
For a firearms "expert" I would've thought you'd know a 20mm anti-vehicle rifle when you saw one.
No animal has skin strong enough to stop a elephant rifle like Roland used. Roland could kill the spino with his gun relatively easy.
Um, no, there's nothing "easy" about killing big game with, what amounts to a pea-shooter compared to the size of the animal. Big game hunters are animal experts, master shots and men (or women) of no small courage taking big risks. Roland could have killed the Spinosaurus, probably, but, more than likely, with the same gun, you or I would be Spinosaur chow.
The spinosaurus survived several explosive bullets, and was hit by a plane on its spine (The sail is really extended vertebrae). With a rocket launcher, it would be no contest.
@@varanid9 .600 nitro express is anything but a pea shooter. Movies just love to downplay the effectiveness of modern weapons against fictional creatures.
@@GoofyCombat i don't think spinosaurus is a fictional creature😅😂
@@varanid9 I agree completely. To add to your point, someone like Roland Tembo would have done effective research on the anatomy and habits of his prey before setting foot on that island. Even professional hunters armed with a double rifle chambering 600 NE rounds ultimately favour shot placement over calibre. Brain, heart or lung for the initial shot, as well as for the follow up depending on how the animal reacts thereafter. This requires pin point accuracy and nerves of steel. If the shot placement isnt good as the animal decides to charge, its game set and match. It was said by an author with regard to dangerous game that sometimes it's less like you're feeding them lead and more like you're feeding them vitamins, as they just keep coming.
Roland Tembo is such a badass name.
RIP Pete Postlethwaite
the neck and belly is the thinnest part...and his elephant gun from a camoflaged position would be perfectly adequate since hed have time to reload with the spino being stunned by the first two slugs, and by Roland being hidden....the M-82 fired by Cooper most likely missed...a 20mm round would go through armored military vehicles...a direct hit from that to the Spino wouldve killed it on the spot
I considered the neck as a potential target, but I remember that when the T-Rex bit the Spino's neck, it barely broke the skin, and it has a very strong bite force. So I figured if the T-Rex couldn't get through, there's no way a little tranquilizer needle could.
yea thats true, though with tranquilizers, the closer to the head you get the needle, the faster and more potent it will likely be
Good point. So then in this case, Roland would have to be VERY close to the Spino's face in order for the tranq dart to potentially puncture the skin. That'd be suicide! Not so ideal :P
@@JeremyJamesPrutchick I think t rex's bite did nothing just because they wanted new "overpowerd" carnivore to make some ticket sales. Roland would just shoot it to brains and spino is dead. But great video! 👏
@@RasseLTD in Jurassic franchise the trex including rexy don't have a bone crushing bite force, the trexes including rexy bite force are bite and shake till its dead, if it's reality then yes trex does have a bone crushing bite force.
If you remember that Eddie Carr has a rifle that shoots darts that ends the animal before it even feels it, as what he claims. It would be Roland's ideal weapon if he wants a safer and stealthy kill.
Right, the Lindstradt Air Rifle. But do you think those darts be able to puncture the Spino's skin, though?
If it's designed to take down dinosaurs I would think so.
I'd like to think so too, but then again (for example), the trailers in The Lost World novel were supposed to be indestructible and we both remember how that turned out LOL Dinosaurs are badass!
Just aim for the soft tissue of the underbelly.
Or go the usual video game route and shoot straight down the open mouth. :)
I like some people refuse to believe that the spino from JP3 is a hybrid even though it was confirmed by Dr. Wu's Website.
Julio Salas i did not think lol,until i found out spinosaurus was quadrapedal XD.
People don't like change, I embrace it as much as it sucks.
Julio Salas proof!?
All of them are!
gasprin74 SMW Atleast they're not super aggressive as the spinosaurus and indominus rex demonstrated.
Roland would eat the spino alive
Screw that gatorduck.
I'd love to see Tembo take on the Indominus Rex.
With all due respect I disagree with this video, Roland could have confidently taken a Spinosaurus with his (assumption) .600 nitro express, he'd be better off if he ran hardcast but a 900gr bullet traveling at 1850fps with a well placed shot could do it with a head shot. I also disagree with the minigun because it's chambered in .308 Winchester which is super light for something like this. The absolute best tool for this would be a .50bmg since the round has shown to penetrate steel easily and is heavy enough to do sufficient damage. If we assume that the JP universe is identical to ours and that if he had time to practice with it an Anzio Ironworks 20mm would be top notch. Speaking of which that is the one thing Roland has that the spino doesn't it's time for preparation and planning. So I agree that Roland could take it, but disagree with the choices of tools being used.
Kenny the neighbor guy impossible because remember that nash,udesky,and cooper shot the spinasaurus with the barret it didn't do any damage and I highly doubt he would kill it
I'm sorry but that's not accurate, Cooper was the only one who shot and there was no indication of him hitting the spino, if anything Cooper was so rattled that he most likely missed since there's no marks on the spino for the rest of the film
In agreement with fellow hunting and firearms experts, I believe it's safe to say that Roland, with his storied past and years of experience, as well as using his ideal weapon, would undoubtedly kill the Spinosaurus if he could lure it onto his playing field.
*Roland shoots spinosaurus*
Spinosaurus: *looks up, unharmed*
* Roland looks at his gun*
Roland: It's an infantry rifle.
F@#/ING *RUUUN!*
"A true hunter doesn't care if the animal wins"
"It could be said that this dinosaur was unstoppable." Then I think about how it was completely unable to even DENT the steel doors leading to the aviary and I kind of chuckle. Not at you, but at that thought. I'm not sure which source you used for the Spinosaurus' size, but the JP3 size chart lists it as 43ft 9in, not 46ft. Small difference, but it's there.
Also, I'm not entirely sold on the Spinosaurus being the creature talked about in Wu's backdoor entry. It may make sense to explain why it looks different from the current idea of one, but there's still an in-universe idea that works just fine too. That's simply what InGen scientists believed the Spinosaurus to look like back in the late 90s (when it would've likely been conceived and birthed). Science says otherwise now, but back then it was acceptable. I don't see why that makes any less sense than the hybrid theory.
I've said it in a few comment replies below, but I very much doubt Cooper hit the Spinosaurus with his gun. If he did, it's one of the most glaring inconsistencies in the franchise, since the Spino was then wounded by a plane propeller, which should certainly do less damage than something designed to get through heavy armor. Roland's elephant gun would be more than enough to put a stop to the Spino if it was intended to bring down a fully grown male Tyrannosaurus rex. The only way I see Roland losing this is if he got reckless and made a mistake, otherwise he's too good of a hunter.
Maybe I should've said it was un-defeatable LOL I actually used two sources for the Spino's size; the JP wiki, which cited the Jurassic World Field Guide book, so I edited the picture to reflect that. I recorded the line first and when I got the chart picture, I saw it was 43ft. I couldn't find a picture from the book, so I just edited in the 46ft. Good eye, though!
I can see where you're coming from for the whole "appearance" thing. Dr. Wu mentioned that it was null allele on the Masrani site. If I'm not mistaken, null allele basically means a gene is a copy of another, but it doesn't have the same function as the original source. Something along those lines. So yeah, but I don't necessarily base the hybrid theory off of its appearance alone. I lean more towards the "hybrid theory" now because Dr. Wu referred to it as an "accident", which to me, sounds like it was never meant to happen, but it did. He also mentioned that it had limitless capabilities; they likely had to leave it on Isla Sorna because it was just too dangerous.
Funny thing; I was actually going to talk about the plane hitting it, and it apparently brushing it off, but I cut that part out because I couldn't flow it into words. While I do agree that Roland's elephant gun is powerful, I gotta ask; how would it fare against an animal many times bigger than an elephant? I mean, an elephant and a Spinosaurus are two VERY different animals! All the same, I don't doubt Roland's skill in the least bit; he's just that good.
Jason Krueger to be honest even though this creature was massively exaggerated in JP3 in reality it's claw were able to cut through steel so yeah that was a weird idea for it stop at a gate
this dinosaur is not unstoppable just send a indominus or a mosasaurus and BAM
That is if the indominus or mosasaurus doesn't eat you first
Spino can beat Indominous, but Mososaurus beats all.
Jason Krueger Imagine he would grow to 60 Foot like in reallife.. That beast would be unstoppable..
I still believe that there were two Spinosaurus in the area,
Cooper was already injured after her fired off his shots, and that’s why I believe he had a head start and made it to the air field, he had to have been clawed at or tossed around but he still was able to run.
When you said "pack a punch" i remembered CoD
Spino - *RRRROOOOAAAARRRRRR*
Ronald - I know you , you're the InGen's Last Bastard
I watched these movies and can say I honestly think nobody ever shot any dinosaurs, with exception to the dart scene & the rocket that blew up the raptor. They seemed like near misses or the didn't show damage. Barrett .50 rounds can nearly punch through 1" of armor, so thick skin isn't going to stop it.
You don't think so, eh? When you said "or didn't show damage", do you think that the Barret bullets were ineffectiv? I mean, we figure that if the Barrett could blow up that scrap plane, then it should be able to cause some damage to the Spino... But if it DIDN'T hurt the Spino, it makes you wonder...
When I first watch JP 3, I l always though Cooper miss all his shot, because Barret is not an easy gun to handle, plus he is being chased by Spino, so my guess is he did miss all his shot so the Spino is not hurt... OR if I remember correctly, cooper is not using the regular 50 cal, he using the explosive one (?) si thats why its dont leave any wound
He had to have missed. There's no way the Spino could tank an anti-tank weapon but get hurt by a plane propeller. That makes no sense at all.
Yeah I agree, 50cal power is formidable, thats why its called Anti-Material weapion.. Thats why Copper probably miss all his shot, because shoot a big running dino towards you using high power gun is difficult...
mcqueenfanman they all took lessons at the stormtrooper academy
If Roland Tembo was back in Jurassic Park 3 he should come back to Isla Sorna Site B to hunt and kill a Spinosaurus a male a buck only and not the female
I love the video but as you mentioneed earlier you're not a firearms expert and that's totally fine we all have our specialities. So just to be clear I'm not knocking you or the video. The double rifle used in be Tembo in my opinion would be totally adequate. The cartridge it is chambered for is 600 nitro express which is one of the most powerful cartridges it's considered a stopping round. It's designed to stop charging bull elephants in it's tracks with one shot. In the big game community it's considered an "unsportsmanlike " round because of its power. With proper shot placement it would do the job just fine. Same with anything in 50 bmg which is designed to punch through heavy steel armor. I think that the guys in jp3 missed their mark. As a side not the cartridge they shot was a fictional round. The Bob Searcy double rifle Tembo uses had the majority of its action work done by Kirk Merrington in Kerrville Texas. I did my apprenticeship as a gunsmith under Kirk so I kinda know what I'm talking about. Interesting fact there are two rifles like the one in the film both were valued at 250,000 US dollars when they were made. Like I said love your work
Emitt Ozuna This guy is right. The rounds that Roland had sabotage by Vince in the Lost World were designed to shoot through inch thick plate armour. They wouldn't have any trouble punching through a dinosaur's hide.
I'd be going with that gorgeous .600NE double rifle..
You were also for getting another tranquilizing technique that was used by Muldoon in the novel. In the novel in modified AT-4 rocket launcher was used with canisters that held a giant syringe full of Moro. Now I believe Roland is Stelthy enough to sneak up on the racks and get within the 50 m range for the laser guided rockets and hit a perfectly good target and knock the spinosaurus down. And unlike the novels Roland will remember to charge the batteries
The thing about the M82 Barrett is the bullets are more than likely ball and not FMJ or Armor Piercing if it has such thick hide which is a large mass compared to a very small mass so the needle would pierce the hide.
All you have to do here is shoot at the fin on the dinosaurs back it is connected to it's spine so if that gets damaged more likely the Spino will fall
THe Spino Sail is very effective one hit from that Can Be paralazyd Theres even a theory if theres 2 Spinos on isla Sora
Fuck spino
Good video man. However, not criticising you, but the poor plot writing behind JP3 when Cooper shoots spiney with the m82 50. Rifle; one shot to the head, and you've decapitated a dinosaur with a bullet.
Heck yes, Roland would eat that dino for breakfast
if Roland tembo doesn't use any weapon the spino gonna win
@Thomas Jacob lmao
The Spino would eat Roland before he shoots him
I image if this as to happen Roland would try and approach the dinosaur from a upwind position giving him the advantage. If you go back to the Lost World the reason for taking the baby rex out of the nest was because they were downwind. As Roland put they T-Rex would know they were at the nest before they stood a chance. Basically anything downwind means the animal will smell you as your scent will be carried on the wind towards the animal. Giving away your presence to any other animal or in this case Dinosaur in the area.
Roland as an experienced game hunter understands this concept, he has done this on many predators and is used to using the wind to his advantage. Due to this reason I think he would hunt and take down the Spino using his stealth and skills.
Roland is AWESOME. Especially because he redeems himself
keep in mind he is no inexperienced hunter... it would depend on a lot of things. Space and gun type, the gun he brought in the lost world is no problem but he would have to know where to aim it
You forgot to to mention how Roland could've used Rex piss poured somewhere to lure the spino since the movie says their piss attracts spinos. But this is if Roland somehow found this out. Maybe after watching a Rex leave its piss somewhere and notice how it attracts a spino
This is crazy for me to see, but , Roland in the film who was Pete in real life lived very near my house in England and was very good friends with my parents, I met him and have been to his house on multiple occasions and he was almost named as my Godfather!!! However he passed away which meant that that was not a possibility
Spinosaurus isn't a hybrid; it actually existed in the early cretaceous period. It lived near water and hunted fish and other aquatic animals. It is believed to have been as aggressive as its portrayed in JP3
What about the Barrett m82a1 the shells where high explosive why change that to armor piercing rounds?
If hes going for kill or capture is the difference maker mainly. Roland would most likely use a vantage point like the high hide and a extremely powerful gun like a modded .50 cal sniper rifle with special rounds. The spino was more a water dino so i see it being along the outer perimeter of the island. Thus a spotting of the creature and placement of vantage point would be crucial. The spino isnt a climber and most likely being solo it wouldnt risk going into heavy rex territory. Granted a juvenile rex is a vood pick for it due to elimintaion of a future threat.
I'm pretty Sure his 600 Nitro express Double Rifle would take down the spino easily
I would hope so, but this is a massive Spinosaurus we're dealing with here!
It's long, it's high but quite skinny and the scales are like on a croc on the upper body parts, the parts you couldn't even properly aim at from the same elevation. So from the same elevation level all the body parts you would aim at would be only covered in skin comparable or slightly tougher than the usual big game.
The mini gun can also be carried by hand but it will limited his speed chances of out running the spinosaurus, he could put the mini gun camoflage, somewhere he knows to locate.
You know what no-one remembers, that the T rex detects movement, so the Spino would notice him if he tried to sneak up on it.
While I would not consider myself as a firearms expert, I'm ex-military and actively belong to a gun club. One, I don't think Cooper got to shoot the Berrett rifle, because I believe they were caught off guard while setting up a perimeter. Two, the sounds I heard likely came from Cooper's pistol than from the rifle.
Roland's own rifle is what's considered an elephant gun, designed to take down large game. In WWI they were used by the British to take out German snipers hiding behind steel shields in No Man's Land, having enough velocity and power to go through metal and killing what ever is behind it. Compared that to the Barrett, which would definitely do more damage and a much bigger hole, plus longer accuracy.
What about Robert Maldun,s SPAS12 .
YAH!
Better yet: Robert Muldoon vs. Spinosaurus
Probably wouldn't do anything to it.
Based on the rifle in the lost world that Nick Van Owen unloaded it looked like a .375 h&h mag but a .700 nitro express is a common big game round and based on Roland's personality he'd want to take it down without using a mini gun
Yeah, he'd want the thrill.
You should do could roland tembo beat the indominous
ok, this makes since Spino being a hybrid. Studies have shown it being a 4 legged hunter. so if you hybridize it then it would make sense for it being a two-legged
They could dig a big hole in the ground large enough for the spinosaurus, put pillars under the foundation that would be strong enough for people, but would break once the spino walked on it. Then they just shoot it with tranq darts.
Before Roland used the Grizzly Big-Bore, he had possessed a Searcy Double Barrel Rifle chambered in .600 Nitro Express, which is an African big-game cartridge. Nick Van Owen, however, sabotaged the rounds he had loaded and Roland's ammunition bearer, Ajay Sidhu, was carried away by the mob of fleeing hunters and killed in the tall grass fields by Velociraptors. .600 and .700 Nitro Express are heavy and cumbersome to carry around, so of course Ajay would carry Roland's reserve ammunition whilst only lightly arming himself with a Winchester Model 70, chambered in .30-06 which was used in a variety of American rifles in World War II for point of reference.
Owen Grady, the Raptor Trainer in Jurassic World, uses a Marlin Model 1895SBL chambered in .45-70 Govt. another cartridge used in African big-game hunting, though not as cumbersome as Nitro rounds. Barry, Owen's friend and co-worker, uses a short-barreled Smith and Wesson Model 500 revolver, specifically loaded with jacketed hollow-point (JHP) rounds which can generate up to and beyond the same muzzle velocity and stopping power of the aforementioned .45-70 Govt. and its variants. Every weapon mentioned up to this point, aside from the Winchester Model 70, will have no difficulty putting animals the size of a pachyderm in the dirt the same as they would a man.
We've seen InGen hunters and Masrani security combat dinosaurs with a number of small arms that are completely invalidated by the size of said dinosaurs. This is supposed to communicate that big hunters like the Tyrannosaurus, Spinosaurus, and Indominus are seemingly invulnerable to every conventional weapon available. Conventional weapons are defined as such through their usefulness in conventional, as in the standard expectation of, combat. What is the standard expectation of combat? Humans shooting at each other with small arms, most likely with bullets that are either Soviet holdovers or neutered by NATO for the sake of disabling rather than effectively killing. Of course the mercenaries shooting the AKMS's, HK91A2's, M16A2's, and HK417's, alongside the idiots who thought bringing PDW's and SMG's to a dino fight was a good idea, are going to end up being the main course if they don't immediately cut and run.
The unconventional weapons are the big-game hunters. The weapons and ammunition designed exclusively for killing animals the size of the apex predators that roam two of the five Cinco Muertes. It didn't just end with weapons though. Characters like Muldoon and Tembo, Kenyan and South African respectively, possess invaluable knowledge of African big-game and because it's the only realistic point of reference any tactician can have for realistically combating dinosaurs, it's no surprise that one became a warden and another was hired to lead a hunting party. Grady was in the United States Navy before he was hired to be the Raptor trainer, and though he perhaps lacked the knowledge of the aforementioned reference point, he's proven himself to be the tactician with sharp wit. Well, sharp enough to survive two movies so far.
Notice how we almost never get to see any of the three effectively use the weapons in their respective arsenals? A Franchi SPAS-12 loaded with slugs could plausibly bag a raptor but Muldoon was ambushed and killed before he could fire a shot. Alan Grant may have fired several shots himself, but his shooting over the phone was erratic and panicked, causing him to most likely miss and we can confirm this based on the fact that no visible gunshot wounds appear on any of the pursuing raptors that all seem to be present and accounted for. Roland's Searcy would've put down the bull T-Rex like it would have any Rhinoceros or Elephant, but Nick Van Owen, the little shit-fucker, had to sabotage his ammunition. Grady appears to get shots off from his Marlin during the T-Rex's fight with Indominus, but .45-70 Govt. is lightweight compared to Nitro rounds and it would be logical to assume that he was also trying not to shoot the Velociraptors assisting in the fight, meaning he couldn't easily aim for vital organs, arteries, or soft tissue.
Also, in acknowledging the usage of .50 BMG, the ammunition used by the M82A2, both are considerably cumbersome to carry around much like the Searcy and its ammunition. A smaller, yet similarly capable (Note that I did not say equally capable) round can be fired from a rifle designed around the Armalite design platform (AR-10, AR-15, M16, M4, etc.). Enter the Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf. As far as minimum thresholds go, this is my recommended minimum threshold for conventional firearms purpose-built for combating humans being re-purposed for dinosaurs. No fancy, military-grade plinkers, it's either anti-materiel, African big-game, or go home. Of course, striking a balance between stopping power and encumbrance is perhaps the biggest challenge for anyone hoping to score a trophy.
Great content.
A few questions and ideas. What is Roland's objective? This bloke is organized, so he'd already know which way he'd want things to go, and if we're keeping with canon A. he'd have been contracted to capture it alive and B. this would have been before he decided "I've spent enough time in the company of death." Another thing is Roland isn't a nub- he wouldn't be alone. He wasn't when he was initially hunting the bull. Time- Roland has presumably hunted large predators, and so has likely spent greater than a week setting up a hunt, including motion-activated ir game cameras, or if he's really clever, seismometers, and will know ~200m where it is. With the big bore, a shot in the mouth is the ideal shot, into the soft tissue and circulation nearest the brain, and given he's choosing the place of the encounter, with bait, this wouldn't be a tough shot. Dig or drop a shelter to hide in, place the ambush near falling water, and it might not even hear the report of the rifle. If he can't get the shot, rifle 2 or 3 might have an angle. All of this assumes he's A. been sensible enough to leave and return or B. at the beginning of the movie. Given Roland's not a derp, this is how he'd do it, and know **not** to after all hell breaks loose.
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Spino is a hybrid, by necessity. All of the critters are. Roberta is a hybrid, patched with emu or chicken DNA [ CRISPR results indicate theropods are positively avian dinosaurs ] so Spino would probably be salvaged from crocs and gators or some species of monitors, but given its unlikely two legged stance maybe a form of basilisk lizard that would explain its hyperactive attitude and speed. Roland couldn't possibly know what some of its hidden abilities are- unless he had access to the notes of the nerds raising the beast. All of that may very well have been scuttled in the evacuation in the first go-round [JP]. This is the unknowable. Just the strength of the creature along with its speed and most of all its stealth in the water would make this truly dangerous. All of this is opinion.
If I were to assign odds out of ten, I'd give Roland/Spino ~7/3 - 6/4
Imagine how cool it would be in a movie if Roland was trying to hunt and kill a fully grown male T.Rex, but out of nowhere the Spinosaurus appears and battles the Rex, killing it before Roland ever got a chance to shoot it; than Roland battles the Spinosaurus with his gun and who knows what would happen
That was an In-gen modified Spinosaurus not an ordinary one,if Roland could take down a T-Rex,then he can definitely take down a Spinosaurus,as for the Ingen one,It's going to be a Huge gamble,but there's a slight possibility.
2:45 Not really, the surface area of the bullet is greater than the surface area of the needle for the tranq. So it still has a chance.
I have a decent amount of knowledge on firearms. A .50 BMG is a massive cartridge that can punch through steel armor. A hit from that especially if you know where to aim and are an experienced hunter like Roland would drop most dinosaurs
2:40 "those bullets did nothing'
No they did something they pissed it off
i'm still quite sad that Roland used a 600 Nitro Expres rifle instead of the writers making an insider joke letting him use a .577 Tyrannosaur rifle
I think the main thing that you are missing is; the movies have plots where the dinos and some characters are the main characters, while the rest are plot "bumps".
So in real life most dinos would get killed faster then a aftertought.
So Tembo, hunts, stalks, and adds the spino to his trophy collection.
So? Tembo is fictional too lmfao
It would be really cool to see this happen but the guy who played Roland Tembo has passed away ( Pete Postlethwaite January 2, 2011, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom )
The reason Cooper didn’t get far was because he stopped to look and then started running from the spino. If he didn’t start he may have gotten farther.
what about the gun eady talked about on the bot?
Now that Jurassic world came out everyone says everything is a hybrid
600 nitro that he used through the brain is certainly spino lights out
But spinosaurus was a real dinosaur in real life
The Spino was scary coming out of the woods, my word, scary horrendous...
A 600.nitro was seen in the lost world but not in action but in reel life the shells alone are 76mm in length. It would be a devastating wepon and if he doesnt use it he could use the Tsar bomba in stead
What abot the huge rocket launcher style tranquiliser Muldoon used on Rexy in one of the comics. That might do it
roland would use the big boar with the baiting method because the smell of the rotting carcass will cover his scent while the spino is eating he can shoot it with a lethal though the eye or behind the eye for the kill to work
How could u put the darts in the mini gun?
Roland carries a double barreled rifle chambered in 600 nitro express. That could cut through tank armor. the best weapon he could use is his rifle.
Jp3 would have been a MUCH shorter movie if Cooper’s shot had connected, because, despite plot armor for Spino, there is no way he would’ve survived a hit in the vital area. Only a hit to the tail or possibly his fin would have not been fatal
That double barrel rifle he has in The Lost World is a elephant hunting rifle, and it’s a very powerful rifle to use, he probably will that but he might use a very powerful amino type or a Barrett but with armo piercing rounds imo
The gun he had in the lost world is called .700 nitro u should look it up
*I am pretty sure our skilled Hunter would have ended up a good meal. The Spinosaurus is 1 tough SOB. Kinda hard to hunt down a Therapod Dino.*
The M134 might not work because the bullets would be smaller than the Barret but a 600 nitro express could work.
5:49 that spino is from dinosaur battles
If some kid could survive for a view weeks/mounths basicaly being Spino's neighbour, and had no weapons at all, I think it's easy to assume that adult hunting master with some good hunting rifle would deal with it to...
A lot of bullets was wasted in this film, becouse of some random shooting and not triggering well, and also like in every movie, guns allways working only when plot need's them to...
Red jackets don't usualy have great aiming etc...
If I remember correct, T-Rex from second JP movie was shooted a lot as well, again random shooting.
My guess is that Roland wouldn't go hunt the Spino with no preps, he would know Spino's habits, he would know where to hide and wait for the Spino and he would have the best weapon for it.
U have to also remember that T-Rex was drugged, not killed, and this is not a case of pearcing damage done by the darts, but the drugs only(and we all remember how big dose of it T-Rex got). So it's not the case of how deep can dart penetrate the Spino's body, but how powerfull is the drug.
Also the adrenaline comes to play a big part in it to. T-Rex was shooted by dart when finding his child, Spino was buffed with the adrenaline in most scenes, I'm pretty sure experienced hunter wouldn't try to fire at attacking Spino, also he would got spotted so early.
The nature of Jurassic Park movies is that every villain will get some pretty epic death, and Roland wasn't villain at all, he wasn't evil or corruped, that's the reason he lived at the end... My point is, that he would have pretty good chance of winning with Spino too.
I think all Roland would need is one good shot at the Spino's eye, neck, belly or even mouth, when staying well hidden on some tree...
Awesome video.👌
Can you do what happened if the idominos rex vs spinosauros
just a thought about the darts not piercing the skin, the mosquitoes that contained the DNA in INGENs patented DNA recovery process were able to pierce the skin.
That's a very good thought! I'm almost at a loss for words! Only thing I'm thinking at the top of my head is that the mosquitoes were probably able to get WAY down into the nooks and crannies of the skin, where the skin may be weaker and then drink the blood. Or even drink from wounds a Spino got from fighting another dinosaur. All the same, excellent point!
Spinosaurus would be just another big game trophy on Roland's wall. I doubt it had skin as tough as an indominus rex, especially against 50 cal. rounds. Every person who holds a gun just so happens to be a shitty shot. Not to mention how the plane propellers tore through the spinosaur's back upon take-off.
Roland has a 600 nitro, he could kill it with that.
I mean, if we analyzed this battle in terms of a "death battle" like people do with other fictional works like DC and Marvel, the Spinosaurus has a consistent durability and strength feat of surviving a collision with a plane, destroying said plane, and tearing down a steel barrier/wall with ease making it pretty hard to kill regardless of the validity of the 20mm shots from Cooper. JP3 Spinosaurus has around the same durability as a military tank without the 20mm feat; it was in all intent and purpose designed as the endgame movie monster for the finale of the Jurassic Park Cinematic Universe . . . until they decided to greenlight World.
Roland could have used a rocket launcher if he wanted to. He was granted permission by InGen to hunt the MALE rex. InGen had no interest in bringing male animals to the mainland or Nublar. Which meant Roland could have used whatever he wanted to hunt it. The best explaination we have for Roland choosing the 700 nitro express DB rifle is quoted straight from his mouth. "I retain the right to hunt the male, a buck. How and WHY is my business." I'd say Roland wanted to be killed by the rex, but not without being able to bite back just as hard as the rex (Equally) and not just slaughter the thing. In the deleted scenes Roland is portrayed as a man who has lived life to its fullest and is ready to go on his "Final Hunt". There's a good chance Timbo wanted to either come out as the victor or get eaten, but on equal ground only. Once he saw that his bullets were gone, it was an unfair fight and timbo didn't want to go down without at least being able to bite back. That would just be a dishonorable suicide. SO.... He ran and escaped instead.
They say the rifle in jp3 was a einhorn 20mm ur right about it being a Barrett bullpup but the movie says the spino was shot at least once with a 20mm (about double the size of the .50) in real life no biological animal could survive a 20mm( or.50 for that matter)
T Rex isn't the most dangerous creature ever. Roland is.
The .50cal shown in Jurrasic park 3 was never fired. It would easilly go through the Spino's hide and skull for that matter.
T Rex is bigger because both are 20 ft tall and the spino is that height because of the sail but it is 6 ft longer. So if the spino didn't have the sale it would be smaller. But if the spino had the fin it would be the same size.
At 1:05 why is the chart altered? The actual length is 43 ft and 9 inches
The chart was altered because there was updated info from a recent Jurassic Park book; I think it was the Jurassic World Field Guide. The original chart was from 2001. I changed the chart to reflect what was written in the Field Guide.
Jeremy James Prutchick oh okay that's understandable, would be kinda weird if the Spino was smaller than Rexy in length, whos 44 ft long. Thanks for explaining though I still think its length is 43 ft and 9 in but it's subjective.
For the weapons, how about a 50-cal or an anti-tank rifle?
Or what about a Mini/Micro Uzi or an MP5K sub machine gun against the spinosaurus
The mercenaries obviously missed vital organs or didn't hit the spino at all. Just because they're good at fending off human targets doesn't mean that they'd be good at fighting animals. Also, when a person hunts an elephant or a buffalo, even with a very powerful rifle (including the 600 nitro express double rifle that Roland carries), you have to aim properly or you're just going to piss off whatever it is you're shooting at, so it's very likely that even if the mercenaries hit it, because they didn't know what they were doing, their shots were ineffective.
Rolands rifle is a 600 nitro express, that would pass right through the skin, bone, and tissue.
0:26 when you see that wild lvl 150 Rex on ark
The Beret would have no problem taking it out. One shot. First the movie does not show if a shot actually hit the creature. Also something to note about the movie is that they never expected to run into something like that, also being unprepared and more than likely never been in a situation in which dinosaurs are around these "professionals" were severely unprepared. Yes Roland had never been in contact with dinosaurs prior to his movie appearance yet his big game hunting experience gave him knowledge of the predator mind set. If Roland was able to find out the basic whereabouts of the animal and had the Beret .50 the only reason why it may take more than one shot is if he missed a lethal blow. That firearm was built with the purpose of taking out helicopters and soft shelled vehicles from large distance. It can take down anything that walked the planet given the right shot placement.
Please do Cooper from Jurassic Park Three Vs. anything of your choice
The m134 is 7.62 if a .50 (12.7 mm) can't penetrate the skin then that minigun won't even come close
I hated that they missed all those shots with the mini gun
The Mercs from the third movie didn't kill the Spino cause they most likely missed. Sure they landed a few body shots with their guns, but regardless of what ammunition you use, a body shot to the 10 ton Apex Predator is just going to piss it off at best. Roland is a hunter, he hunts big game for a living and know where to place his shots to maximize his chances at putting down his prey, unlike the Mercs who are probably more used to dealing with cartels and pirates which are child's play compared to a prehistoric predator.
I think if Roland got in the right position and got a clear enough aim on the Spinosaurus's spine he could kill it but that's only if he had a clear enough shot.
A big double rifle would crack that brain case easily.
Rexy caught volcanic gas in Jurassic world Fallen Kingdom
Roland tembo Vs the indominus rex
1. Grizzly Big Boar in real life is a single shot 50bmg rifle and in the movie it was a tranquilizer gun. So 50/50 on working?
2. Barrett M82A2 is also a 50bmg, not a 20mm like they said in the movie. Also what is a military rifle? Really, it's just a rifle.
3. m134, that's just cancer
Since Roland is a fudd, he would most likely use his Searcy Double Barrel Rifle.
Not picking at OP, just wanted to shine some light on the guns here.
Its fairly simple to take down a spinosaurus, just roll it over
Maybe he's the reason there's a spino skeleton in Jurassic World :)
DAMN!!!!