Back Pain and Your Brain: William S. Marras at TEDxOhioStateUniversity

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @lynn.d1015
    @lynn.d1015 6 лет назад +64

    Im 20 plus years with back pain . 3 disc removed . And a neuro stimulater implant. Constant pain does mess with your mind . It’s affects your life

    • @karelpeeraer7866
      @karelpeeraer7866 4 года назад +6

      Lynn .D if you have this problem, you could read books of dokter Sarno!

    • @statelinechoppers4458
      @statelinechoppers4458 4 года назад +17

      I served 2 tours overseas in the Marine Corps, I am 35 years old and have suffered from chronic back pain since a vehicle accident in 2007 Iraq. I have suffered for 13 years and am sick and tired of this. I have leg pain, back pain, weakness, Problems going to the bathroom, haven't had a full night sleep in over a decade because of my pain. This most recent "flair up" has been so severe I have been shaking, sweating and puking from the intensity of my pain. My mental stability from this is at question. Anger, distancing myself, depression and hate are just the beginning... I survived the Iraq war and this pain I am living with is driving me to thoughts of suicide. Simply because I can't live any longer with this level of pain. I don't want to live if this kind of pain is what my life has become. This is ridiculous, pain of this level should never be the answer to back pain. I eat healthy, and am not over weight.
      I am truly at a loss, the VA has been aware of this for years. I'm done, over pain and suffering. Is there an answer??? Someone, anyone please.... I need help.

    • @thomasarbec7242
      @thomasarbec7242 4 года назад +1

      @@statelinechoppers4458 Look at it as a challenge. Check out Kat

    • @thomasarbec7242
      @thomasarbec7242 4 года назад

      Check out Kat Naud. She was hurt when her horse fell on her and she has constant pain. I believe her blog is " the other side".

    • @NANA-tz7ep
      @NANA-tz7ep 4 года назад +7

      ​@@statelinechoppers4458 See a Gonstead Chiropractor! Hire an expert physical trainer/therapist and swim/calisthenics. Find more methods to increase blood flow and oxygen, like hyperbaric chamber sessions. Get electrical stimulation from something like the Sota Silver Pulser. Hire a nutritionist or take boron/borax and other relevant nutrients while drinking lots of water. Get umbilical stem cell injections in Mexico/Panama (10-30k). Rid yourself of all bad habits, especially the ones that temporarily relieve pain like sitting/laying/opiates/nsaids. Juice organic raw cannabis leaves/flowers with mandarin oranges and mct (coconut) oil. Meditate, stay social, and see a therapist. Take natural pain killers for breakthrough pain, like kratom for example. Pray to God. Thanks for your service man. I'd like to see our politicians and bankers be the first to fight on foreign soil, since it's really their wars and agendas.

  • @backinband1595
    @backinband1595 7 лет назад +18

    Great to see this data behind the emotional state and it's affects on one's physical health. Movement is medicine.

  • @FishbowlSoulSwimming
    @FishbowlSoulSwimming 10 лет назад +45

    Dr. John Sarno has been on to this since the '70s, so really nothing new here.
    If you have persistent back pain, I suggest reading some of his books, for example 'Healing Back Pain'. Other good books include 'Back Sense' and 'Back in Control'. They're all relatively cheap on Amazon; you won't regret it.
    I was once bedridden with severe back pain, and I'm back running and biking now thanks to Dr. Sarno. :)

    • @flipgsp
      @flipgsp 7 лет назад +17

      Dr Sarno is a genius. I had brutal pelvic pain for 3 years which was not getting better until I read Dr Sarnos books. I healed completely and got my life back thanks to him.

    • @CKC-gk2dh
      @CKC-gk2dh 7 лет назад +9

      Here here to John Sarno! Reading his book healed my back pain!

    • @keldraalpine7091
      @keldraalpine7091 7 лет назад +4

      I would not recommend his book to anyone with a spinal cord injury. Not that you always know. That book really slowed me down as far as treatment was concerned.

    • @LilMissBritshyt
      @LilMissBritshyt 7 лет назад +8

      Keldra, Dr. Sarno encourages those with chronic pain to be seen by a medical doctor to rule out injury and disease.

    • @leonakita
      @leonakita 7 лет назад +6

      Sarno's methodology may work for some with minor back strain, however, you cannot cure real nerve damage and resultant pain by retraining your brain....thats like saying I can learn to fly by donning artificial wings and studying birds.

  • @wolfrayet2082
    @wolfrayet2082 7 лет назад +17

    I got injured years ago doing a job that required much heavy lifting at difficult angles. The fractures I endured I like to think are healing. But other issues have occurred as a result of the trauma. Pain flares are still a reality.

  • @scaleneous
    @scaleneous 4 года назад +7

    Thanks for confirming what every introvert knows in their bones

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie 8 лет назад +27

    Why don't they ever ask people in chronic pain what causes it, helps it, makes it worse. A long term study with chronic pain patients. Low back, mid back, neck. MS, Fibromyalgia.

    • @keldraalpine7091
      @keldraalpine7091 7 лет назад +1

      I see neurosurgeons and pain doctors and of course, PTs--they always ask me those questions.

    • @4TIMESAYEAR
      @4TIMESAYEAR 4 года назад

      Or two slipped discs. I woke up with them one morning. After doing some research, I found out that's how it happens to most people. Was on a walker for a while because my legs didn't want to function; they felt like they were on fire. Cane for a year or so. Glad I never had surgery...the horror stories I hear.

  • @DividedWarrior
    @DividedWarrior 5 лет назад +8

    I am a 24 year old and I was thrown to the ground and crushed until suffocation. Everyday is worse and worse with pain. Please help those in need with back-pain.

    • @xxDrLecter77
      @xxDrLecter77 5 лет назад +3

      Read the great pain deception of steve ozanich. That book will change your life. I send you a hug.

    • @thomasarbec7242
      @thomasarbec7242 4 года назад +1

      Domestic terrorism?

    • @bigcws4522
      @bigcws4522 2 года назад

      @@thomasarbec7242 that's my thought also Thomas.

    • @Morningstar437
      @Morningstar437 Год назад +1

      Read dr john sarno healing back pain

    • @DividedWarrior
      @DividedWarrior Год назад

      @@xxDrLecter77 Thank you DrLecter. I appreciate the hug and will add this to my reading list. Hope you are well.

  • @RobbRussellDC
    @RobbRussellDC 11 лет назад +6

    Dr. Marras correctly points out the pain generators can be identified in approximately 10 to 15% of cases. It is rather confusing then that he spends the curriculum time discussing disc and play degeneration and concludes that muscles are significant source of pain.

  • @FishbowlSoulSwimming
    @FishbowlSoulSwimming 10 лет назад +12

    He correctly points out that emotional factors are key in understanding both the etiology and chronicity of back pain (this can apply to many other forms of muscoskeletal pain as well). This was demonstrated many times including a study of airport baggage handlers which proved that job satisfaction (or lack thereof) was the primary predictor of back pain development.
    I am confused about his emphasis on disc pathology. I think studies have conclusively shown zero correlation with pain.

    • @beetrootbonanza7640
      @beetrootbonanza7640 8 лет назад +3

      Zero Correlation? bit of a sweeping statement?

    • @peterkane9648
      @peterkane9648 7 лет назад +1

      FishbowlSoulSwimming

    • @sunflowers28
      @sunflowers28 4 года назад +3

      Has anyone found anything about rewiring brain pathways? According to one tape, this is key. The speaker said the brain keeps sending pain signals down the same pathway, because that is what it's accustomed to doing. But she doesn't say anything about how to actually accomplish this rewiring of pathways. I can't find Anything. Thanks! :)

    • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect
      @MichaelGustavsonArchitect 4 года назад +2

      Please don't determine your beliefs about chronic pain based on a story about baggage handlers and how much they like their jobs. The un-controlled variables in a pseudo-science study like that are infinite. Nothing of value can come from such a study. If you don't agree consider this: how many other complaints might you get from a person who had low satisfaction in their jobs? How many people might have exacerbated pain due to jobs that they hate. How many people will hide their pain if they love their jobs and don't want to lose their jobs? And on and on....

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie 8 лет назад +8

    Biomechanics is very important. Too many specialists not talking to each other though.

    • @simonkirkegaard3104
      @simonkirkegaard3104 7 лет назад +1

      Hi Chuck
      Do you have evidence to support that claim?

    • @exeos1512
      @exeos1512 2 года назад

      @@simonkirkegaard3104 every specialist you go to has different opinion

  • @AlexProudfoot1
    @AlexProudfoot1 8 лет назад +4

    I am glad Dr Marras is open to exploring pain. I found this an interesting talk. It suggests to me when we feel 'up' about life there is more likely to be space between the joints. Conversely, when we feel 'down' about life there is more likely to be a contracting and limiting of movement.
    I notice while he talks he has a damaged left leg where to stay upright he has to put most weight on his left leg. However, in doing so he angles his pelvis and this has a knock on effect on his torso, shoulder girdle and neck. I am a trained Alexander Technique teacher and wonder, rather than keeping the pelvis level, if in angling his pelvis this kind of change of use on a regular basis might also promote damage to internal tissue.
    Perhaps both aspects can be considered when approaching physical/mental pain.

    • @stuartkeithguitars4251
      @stuartkeithguitars4251 2 года назад +2

      Do you still have pain after this video? I don't see in the video where anyone is given the slightest advice on what to do.

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie 8 лет назад +16

    If pain generators in the spine are only correctly identified 10 to 15 % of time why do so many surgeries occur? The chance of fixing the pain is low and the chance of causing new pain is high. Yet we still see very little evidence or outcome studies for pain and surgery.

    • @Consiglieremichelle
      @Consiglieremichelle 7 лет назад +9

      Chuck W One word. Money.

    • @classicambo9781
      @classicambo9781 5 лет назад +3

      And patient demands. People believe that invasive procedure will fix them so they demand them.

  • @mustangnawt1
    @mustangnawt1 Год назад

    Balance my life? My life is a symptom of back pain. Headed the wrong way on a one way. Fell for everyone

  • @ayoonismail329
    @ayoonismail329 3 года назад +2

    20 years old with two years back pain sad can’t work can’t pay my bills without finding job now I’m working as labour

  • @arubeira
    @arubeira 5 лет назад +11

    Very disappointed in this talk. Disc degeneration is extremely common as people age with 88% of 60 year olds demonstrating this on MRI scans. If this were a primary cause of low back pain, then the percentage of the population experiencing low back pain would increase each decade; however, this is exactly the opposite of what the evidence shows. Low back pain peaks between the ages of 30 and 50 and then decreases steadily throughout the rest of the lifespan. Therefore, as degenerative changes (arthritis and degenerative disc disease) become more common, low back pain becomes less common. As a matter of fact, only disc herniations have been conclusively linked to causing low back pain, but evidence also shows that if a person remains active, disc herniations will resolve within 3-6 months. Furthermore, disc bulges, disc end plate changes, facet joint arthritis and disc degeneration were not found to be the cause of low back pain since the asymptomatic population shows all of these changes, which increase in frequency as the human body normally ages.

    • @tinac3094
      @tinac3094 3 года назад +1

      Absolutely right. You said everything I wanted to say but better! 👍

  • @benjamingardner3314
    @benjamingardner3314 Год назад

    Nice introduction into emotional drive in pain centralization. Two things I found regrettable:
    1) the 6 wk mark of chronicity. Not only is that a very narrow window compared to most studies, but his language was rather catastrophizing. I get that he's compelling urgent attention, but I think he might have made that a redline without explaining later patient expectation.
    2) he should have also mentioned that damage to the disc has an unknown effect on pain causality, most people show up with disc damage on imaging without any symptoms. Again, this seemed a little critical for a talk about how emotions and beliefs affect pain. But, at minimum, he did open up the door for people to start learning more about the topic.

  • @tudiecampagna5793
    @tudiecampagna5793 2 года назад +1

    What about SIJoint? And why does it not get addressed in the back pain talks?

  • @joeybordz
    @joeybordz 2 года назад +1

    Perfectly explained

    • @stuartkeithguitars4251
      @stuartkeithguitars4251 2 года назад

      Were you healed? Do you have the slightest idea what the FIRST step to healing is...from this vid?

  • @Laura-pi6ht
    @Laura-pi6ht 6 лет назад +10

    Didn't work for me. I have nerve damage and failed back surgery, the only thing that works for me are the opiods. I can't even walk or think without them. Too bad there is nothing more helpful for us.

    • @NisseWestfelt
      @NisseWestfelt 6 лет назад

      Laura You may want to look into dr John Sarnos work. It has helped thousands and thousands of people experiencing all kinds of pain. Many people with failed back surgerys has been helped completely and are completely free of pain where everything else has failed. All the best.

    • @towhomitmayconcern8866
      @towhomitmayconcern8866 5 лет назад

      full spectrum (whole plant) hemp and/or cannabis extracts, oils, topical rubs

    • @shushimushi
      @shushimushi 5 лет назад +1

      Laura, I wish you get better soon. Much love.

    • @kg6qzx
      @kg6qzx 4 года назад +4

      @@towhomitmayconcern8866 everybody seems to believe that cannabis and hemp / CBD are now health foods and cure-all’s and the answer when anyone mentions currently using opioids for pain relief. THC is a drug like any other...just a different type. And it does help for some but not all people. I get zero relief from any Cannabis related product. One drug gets demonized and now THC is the cure to everything. And THC users now help to point out how anything else is now “bad”...some only get relief from traditional opioid treatments. It’s the difference between being bed ridden and actually being able to physically move and participate in a normal life....and the media has created a witch hunt. Addicts ruin the legitimate medical use and make others suffer😞.

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie 8 лет назад +7

    This study still does not show correlation of emotion and pain. Stress and muscle tightness yes, but not stress and pain.

    • @inspireresilience6413
      @inspireresilience6413 4 года назад +1

      I once did this psychk exercise where went back to emotional traumas and i was holding back tears i told her how i was told not to cry and so that always stuck with me and she said no you need ro cry to heal and as so hard as it was to stop holding back as i do i did a little bit and it released so much tensions and my stomach like readjusted itself or something it was so weird it just released something and had relaxed me ro where i had no more pains but later on it came back as i stressed about something smh... Guess got to cry it out idk but you know Japan really knows some benefits of crying as alot if employers make their employees cry to reduce stress and become more productive one crying session can reduce a week worth of stress and they're licensed therapists over their trained just for making people cry smh...and so well thats got to say something

  • @peggyharris3815
    @peggyharris3815 7 лет назад +6

    This proves it. Some people are a pain in the back. 9:18-end.

  • @bigman806
    @bigman806 6 лет назад +10

    If No opioids = miserable unproductive individual & with opioids that same individual is a productive individual who can enjoy life again and is not impaired maybe let them have the meds they need to do that.

    • @oAgL214
      @oAgL214 2 года назад

      Many people become addicted to opioids, they take their life die to how opioids ruin their lives. Plenty of stories out there.

  • @stuartkeithguitars4251
    @stuartkeithguitars4251 2 года назад +5

    I learned two small things from this and one giant thing. The small things were engineering related and the giant thing is that the medical community sucks money out of everyone, lives QUITE high on the hog, and then offers YOU very little solutions....just like this vid.
    You tell us all about our pain....except for the one thing that matters...what to DO about it....another leeching enterprise.

  • @iron60bitch62
    @iron60bitch62 4 года назад +1

    I’m just wondering how I can apply this to my own situation or should I even attempt to but it’s a very good video

    • @elisabethjean
      @elisabethjean 4 года назад

      Look into Dr. John Sarno, he talks about this in more depth. He has helped heal hundreds of thousands of people through his knowledge.

  • @shamanculture780
    @shamanculture780 4 года назад +8

    This guy... We dont have a boss bro we dont have jobs bc we are too busy screaming and cursing the sciatic nerve.

  • @bwilson948
    @bwilson948 3 месяца назад

    This stuff focus on a life time of wear or a single injury what happens to the few that get repeated injuries over decades and surgeries just forces greater changes for they to are trauma also. The current doctors are forced to do SOAP repeatedly to maximize income with insurance.not whole body. Sadly the very place that should be the leaders in explosive injuries and impact trauma are worried about the financial side from the top down, as are insurance companies or workmans comp.

  • @legendoctane5732
    @legendoctane5732 2 года назад

    Accupressure is good for back

  • @virendra99au
    @virendra99au 6 лет назад +3

    just watch last 5 min to understand all.

    • @eco2bee
      @eco2bee 5 лет назад

      Thank you!

  • @simonkirkegaard3104
    @simonkirkegaard3104 7 лет назад +6

    A ton of out of date and misinformation about back pain :/

  • @benevans3811
    @benevans3811 3 года назад +1

    I haven't had a single day of even mild relief of intesne, severe chronic pain all up and down my back neck to sacrum. I've had several x rays which clearly show several misalignment and compressed disc's. Just in 2 years I've spent 20k in chiropractor and decompression treatment. I'm worse now then I eve have been it's been 20yrs of chronic discomfort and pain, the last 3 yrs has been excruciating pain, I don't sleep, my guts hurt, blurred vision dizzy, emotional, extreme exhaustion, irritability, it goes on and on. My wife and kids suffer the consequences of my condition...someday I want to kill myself it is so bad!!! Doctors are not helping at all, I don't know what to do. I struggle to keep working but I run a business and have employees and clients that depend on me but I just barely get by. I'm literally sick and tired and don't see anyway of relief outside of death.

    • @oAgL214
      @oAgL214 2 года назад

      I hope you're doing better, I recommend you to watch Dr Rahim here on RUclips. He's a great chiropractor and you don't leave his office with some kind of relief. Some, if not most chiropractors only take your money, he actually helps you. I don't know where you live but he's in LA, definitely worth it. 1st visit is $1200 as he does x-rays, sometimes MRI, adjustment, etc and every visit after that was $200 a few months back, so the price must be the same or slightly higher, not sure. Wish you the best! Hopefully this helps you somehow!

    • @DeyBwah
      @DeyBwah 2 года назад +1

      I have 12 ruptured discs spread across my lumbar, thoracic, and cervical vertebrae. I went from being paralyzed by pain to back squatting over 400lbs (2x+ body weight).
      The body is designed to heal. Just need to remove all the things that cause inflammation and make sure you have minimal deficiencies in nutrition.
      A good place to start is earthing. Look for the Earthing Movie on RUclips. Being grounded has helped my inflammation tremendously. And sleep.

    • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect
      @MichaelGustavsonArchitect Год назад

      @@DeyBwah How does "earthing" work?

  • @doc2help
    @doc2help 2 года назад

    The stressed experiments sounds highly unethical.

  • @Goosemeyer
    @Goosemeyer 11 лет назад +4

    Dr. Sarno was first.

    • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect
      @MichaelGustavsonArchitect 4 года назад +1

      Yes, but even post Dr. Sarno the ailment of chronic pain still exists and even grows around the world. If Dr. Sarno had the answer, then why are so many people still experiencing chronic pain? Does it make any sense to believe that Dr. Sarno has the solution and everyone in the world is missing out on this solution? Or, does it make more sense to believe that Dr. Sarno may have had some things to say which have made him a lot of money, but ultimately we are still in the same boat we were in decades ago regarding chronic pain treatment?

    • @natlove2099
      @natlove2099 Год назад

      @@MichaelGustavsonArchitect Well to be fair Dr. Sarno is seen by a lot of people as pseudoscience in the field of medicine so his message doesn't get across to as many people as it should.

    • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect
      @MichaelGustavsonArchitect Год назад

      ​@@natlove2099 If Dr Sarno's methods worked reliably, the entire world would know about it within days. People don't shy away from miracles. Sadly, people don't shy away from fake miracles either.

  • @Lizmar9329
    @Lizmar9329 5 лет назад

    Annoying to watch him constantly "hang on his hips" when talking about lower back pain. As this is my nr. 1 reason for developing chronic backpain.

  • @deborahgolob6275
    @deborahgolob6275 Год назад

    So wordy