@@rainbow_vaderI think thell do maybe one more and then make new ways you can earn the knowledge points, because now people who have all points (including me) only have 4 left over
I don't get this after creating paragons (for example Dart Monkey) you literally can not get ultra juggernaut, Plasma Monkey Fan Club or Crossbow Master right?
@@jezevecmartin6122 you CAN make the tier 5s after, but now it isn't recommended. If you make the APM, you have the ability to make a crossbow master, but that would remove this buff on the APM
Another really important thing i think is in this update? Perishing potions (Alchemist 0-2-0) no longer says it "Strengthens brews and stimulants." It now says "Buff potions last longer." This is real important!
@@GuitarOfTime0116it does make the potions deal more damage to moabs and fortified bloons but it also buffed the potions making them last more time and hits
Really helps cut down on both keeping track of money when placing down towers and putting down towers in general. I waste so much time putting down towers and upgrading them
I’d keep the flying fortress because it’s insane late game but the new knowledge will be great for the rest of the paragon’s except for the Engineer and maybe the boat because the buff from the Carrier flagship might be better in very specific situations like Mackan Rules’s world record late game where he has sun temples on portable lakes
@@cryolite08We'd just need the math A big plane max buffed does insane damage, and so does the sky shredder, so if it is better or equal (as it will save space) than the damage granted by the attack speed buff (we don't have the value yet) then you skip. Or with testing. And the same would apply to all of the other. At least boomer, dart, wiz, boat and ninja are just better, but engi and ace it could actually vary.
This is a great QoL, but it should really show you the paragon degree you're getting with the slider. Should show the degree you get before merging normally, too.
I would have loved to see paragon knowledge be added to a type of mastery monkey knowledge tree. When you reach Mastery 1 through 10, you'd get one mastery point per level that could upgrade paragons, (v)tsgs, and T5s or costs specifically.
if you want to be lazy the go challenge editor and make all of the paragons. Now you can make them in sanbox. This is way fatster then making them in real game
I really like the engie but the paragon for it kinda gets nerfed with this, i initially thought you could put degrees into it later aswell but no, the engie needs 60rounds to reach max damage output but now it's barely doable since you have to not only farm a ton but also keep the defences while farming
The game already struggles with buffed t5 towers. Buffing paragons would make the game considerably less laggy + easy to surpass the late game scaling of Bloons for a long time.
Note that you need to get the paragons in a game again if you have a save with paragons that you got before the update becuase you wouldnt be able to get them in sandbox
guys you can just edit a challenge and make it so you start with max money, and then make it start at like round 80 and then boom you can use your paragon easily
Whatever i don't care about this i will use an old strategy getting a lot of freaking monkeys and getting them to and extreme pop number and then making them max level the only paragon i got is the dart monkey paragon because it's just badass
also the easiest currently working method to unlock paragons in sandbox mode is to make a custom challenge and give yourself millions of cash and place a paragon there.
I'm starting to think this Paragon sandbox thing is not actually updating things no matter what I've known I made at least one Paragon and get I can't make a single one in sandbox. I know that the only one I can make is the one I've made an official game already and yet I know that I made the monkey buccaneer in an actual game since I have both of the achievements for that which I did in the same game I still can't make the Paragon in sandbox
I'd definitely assume it depends on the situation and the tower, but you do have to remember that with some towers the paragons are on an entirely different level from the tier 5s. For example, if you have the MK and the Glaive Dominus, any DPS increase from getting a T5 boomer would never account for the DPS loss from the lower attack speed, especially against bosses.
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Paragon MKs are appreciated
Yeah they are!
I want more MK in general we barely have any more than when the game first launched
@@rainbow_vaderI think thell do maybe one more and then make new ways you can earn the knowledge points, because now people who have all points (including me) only have 4 left over
I don't get this after creating paragons (for example Dart Monkey) you literally can not get ultra juggernaut, Plasma Monkey Fan Club or Crossbow Master right?
@@jezevecmartin6122 you CAN make the tier 5s after, but now it isn't recommended.
If you make the APM, you have the ability to make a crossbow master, but that would remove this buff on the APM
When i first got paragons i thought not being able to use them in sandbox was glitch so glad its finally in the game.
It isn’t
Same. Especially now that the slider let's you go all the way to degree 56. I'll need to test it out a bunch in sandbox mode
@@Hbombi cant get paragons in sandbox
@@Diego99992update your game, i checked after watching the video and it didnt work, but then checked my app store and saw it needed tk update
@@Diego99992nvm; i updated and i still cabt
Another really important thing i think is in this update? Perishing potions (Alchemist 0-2-0) no longer says it "Strengthens brews and stimulants." It now says "Buff potions last longer." This is real important!
That's what 020 does!?
I thought it made potions deal more damage.
@@GuitarOfTime0116 Really?? I thought it made the buffs stronger 😂
@@GuitarOfTime0116it does make the potions deal more damage to moabs and fortified bloons but it also buffed the potions making them last more time and hits
@@strav8337 yes but the wording implies that it makes every potion deal more damage. (You BREW potions, after all)
@@GuitarOfTime0116he’s talking about the cross path with 320 and 420.
YES FINALLY paragons in sandbox
LET'S GOOOOO!
Its nkt letting me do it
You need to first get a paragon in a real game to unlock it in sandbox, even if you've made one in the past, you need to make one again.
Noooooooo I don’t want to make one again
@Hbomb it doesn't work for me ):
“Money can’t buy you happiness” but it can buy you a real good paragon
💀
Real 💀
And that makes me happy 😊
@@RedRanger-ll7hx same
"money cant buy happiness" tell that to money farmers in freeplay mode so they can collect all paragons one by one and become unstoppabble
Really helps cut down on both keeping track of money when placing down towers and putting down towers in general. I waste so much time putting down towers and upgrading them
I’d keep the flying fortress because it’s insane late game but the new knowledge will be great for the rest of the paragon’s except for the Engineer and maybe the boat because the buff from the Carrier flagship might be better in very specific situations like Mackan Rules’s world record late game where he has sun temples on portable lakes
The doomship attacking faster is much more useful than a ff
@@cryolite08We'd just need the math
A big plane max buffed does insane damage, and so does the sky shredder, so if it is better or equal (as it will save space) than the damage granted by the attack speed buff (we don't have the value yet) then you skip. Or with testing.
And the same would apply to all of the other. At least boomer, dart, wiz, boat and ninja are just better, but engi and ace it could actually vary.
Boat paragon already gives the carrier buff.
And yea it needs some crazy testing to see if its worth it
A Flying Fortress could solo 50 BADs on round 100
@@stickmananimations15 so can a faster attacking doomship
Best part of this is the new knowledge
What’s the new knowledge?
Smth about paragons getting more power if theres more paragons@@teddyjohnson284
This update makes paragons easier to understand and makes some more viable (I like it)
This is a great QoL, but it should really show you the paragon degree you're getting with the slider. Should show the degree you get before merging normally, too.
You can roughly inject 4x the paragon base cost
LETS GOOO THIS UPDATE DROPPED 6 MONTHS AGOOO
I would have loved to see paragon knowledge be added to a type of mastery monkey knowledge tree. When you reach Mastery 1 through 10, you'd get one mastery point per level that could upgrade paragons, (v)tsgs, and T5s or costs specifically.
Yo, this is awesome! Cant wait to try it
if you want to be lazy the go challenge editor and make all of the paragons. Now you can make them in sanbox. This is way fatster then making them in real game
Lmao
Best update ever, FINALLY, PARAGONS IN SANDBOX
I really like the engie but the paragon for it kinda gets nerfed with this, i initially thought you could put degrees into it later aswell but no, the engie needs 60rounds to reach max damage output but now it's barely doable since you have to not only farm a ton but also keep the defences while farming
Map editor, use some goofy long map and you can easily get it. It may not be the best but its the easiest way
@@jokerplaysgames36he's saying that he's not that useful , not that it's impossible to get a max lvl engineer
@@AskTheMasked Ah
His monkey ace is named goose! 😂
Awesome name
Haha, thanks!
Max sliders total up to around 4 times the original price of the paragon
More Paragon Buffs! Means modders have more references in making buffs for paragons. Perhaps making all buffs viable for paragons
The game already struggles with buffed t5 towers. Buffing paragons would make the game considerably less laggy + easy to surpass the late game scaling of Bloons for a long time.
Can you get a degree 100 in solo now? Without Geraldo
Highest I got was 92, that was with over 17 million pops, 25 220 sacrifices, and 2 crossbow masters
I wish
I got tier one hundred on three paragons solo
@@beaugibson2951 I got 91 on an engi paragon. Try adding extra tiers of towers next time, and you could probably get higher
@@TheStormQueen the max is 92 on the dart paragon and 91 for all others, you need geraldo for a lvl 100
Note that you need to get the paragons in a game again if you have a save with paragons that you got before the update becuase you wouldnt be able to get them in sandbox
finally... I CAN TEST PARAGONS WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A CHALLENGE OR ACTUALLY GETTING THE MONEY IN A REAL GAME
You have to get a paragon a normal game before you can do it.
I thought the funny baloon popping monkey game was shallow, where did all of this awesome stuff come from?
I cant use paragon in sandbox
It's cuz you haven't got them in real game yet
me on the netflix version
Same lol
Same lol
Wonder when it comes out here
same but prob in a week cuz even if its just relocating stuff its still netlfix
i have saved up 6k Monkey money, i will make the btd4 map@@kaelbanico3497
THATS WHY I DIDNT GET THE UPDATE!!!
Now all we need is boss bloons in sandbox mode after you beat them 😅
I mainly use money to create the paragons rather that sacrificing monkeys or using geraldo's paragon totems
Can you also make a vtsg in sandbox if you have already unlocked/made it in standard/inpoppable
Anyone who is lazy to make paragons in normal game, you can also make it in challenge editor which is good for testing 😊
guys you can just edit a challenge and make it so you start with max money, and then make it start at like round 80 and then boom you can use your paragon easily
well that is pay to max rank now
and damm, inflation kicks hard, if you need 4.000.000 money for degree 56 plane
It’d be cool if you were allowed to use paragons in sandbox without placing it down prior though. Other than that this = good update
Nice i just got my first paragon it was tier 64 and apex plasma master
This changes everything in late game.
Whatever i don't care about this i will use an old strategy getting a lot of freaking monkeys and getting them to and extreme pop number and then making them max level the only paragon i got is the dart monkey paragon because it's just badass
Beating elite lych with just 2 paragons. Yeah this is a amazing rework
OOOOOHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Now i gotta rebuy all Paragons to get to lvl 100 on my rnd 360 map!
also the easiest currently working method to unlock paragons in sandbox mode is to make a custom challenge and give yourself millions of cash and place a paragon there.
dartling gunner paragon when
thunder eagle is so fuckin underrated
I went crazy when i got a degree 100 dart in singleplayer for the first time😅
Time to grind boomerang monkey EXP
Zomg in bound
I'm starting to think this Paragon sandbox thing is not actually updating things no matter what I've known I made at least one Paragon and get I can't make a single one in sandbox.
I know that the only one I can make is the one I've made an official game already and yet I know that I made the monkey buccaneer in an actual game since I have both of the achievements for that which I did in the same game I still can't make the Paragon in sandbox
Player 3: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!
God saves
I always forget the Ace paragon exists
in sandbox mode you can get a dart paragon
Cant wait to use geraldo to get a ton of money from action figure and make my time way easier
Btw it also works on challenges
I had to sell my Quincy NFT around Round 250 to get a level 100 doomship :(
R.I.P potential for max NFT
150k that too cheap. But it must suck really really bad
Ye it’s worse but more affordable now so it can be used more, people might use it in normal games now
It makes the 050 add a lot to the true cost tho
It will certainly make boss events interesting. Hopefully it doesn't overperform for how cheap it is
Since when did paragons work on sandbox??
Also I taught this was a mod when I saw it on tewbre
Im happy because this means you dont need geraldos totems
How about a gameplay optimization update. 10-15 fps on my phone since the holloween update.
80 rounds takes over a god damn hour at X2 auto start.
i like it
Same
And max Degree in single is 91, 92 for dart
Crazy
I got a level 70 wizard paragon and sadly died at round 197
When is this update gonna release?
It has released
Oh, im on the netflix version, haben't seen it yet@@zhariff7509
yesterday
saber:pargons in sandbox!?
I couldn’t create them in sand box mode, I could only in challenges
Sad that we still can't see the degree before the paragon is made.
That would've been nice
Weird I never bought navarch of the seas in real game but I can still use it
aww man only apex plasma master works for sandbox for me
Which paragon benefits from this change the most?
I'm watching this knowing I can't play the update because I have btd6 metflix
if they were in bloon td 2
Wait does this mean I have to play and put the paragon down AGAIN after the update!? And is this a mod or is this real!?
For some reason i still cant use paragons on sandbox
Is your game updated?
I was playing with a RUclipsr.
kinda sucks that you can't have any tier 5 for the boost tho
sick
I don’t know if it is just me but I haven’t gotten this update yet
Can we combine sacrifices and the slider for a degree 100 paragon in singleplayer?
Max is 91 and 92 if you have two crossbow masters for dart paragon
Maximum u can get is degree 91
I guss tier 4 js my best option unless is chips
Super important question: is it worth going for the attack speed buff instead of the T5 towers? Does it change depending on what tower/ paragon?
I dont think anyone really knows yet. But I've seen that its not worth for enginparagon IF you can wait for it to max boost itself.
I'd definitely assume it depends on the situation and the tower, but you do have to remember that with some towers the paragons are on an entirely different level from the tier 5s. For example, if you have the MK and the Glaive Dominus, any DPS increase from getting a T5 boomer would never account for the DPS loss from the lower attack speed, especially against bosses.
can you give a more in depth description of the rework in a video please?
can you make lvl 100 paragons with this? no geraldo included.
I maxed the slider and got 88 on magus
Wait, I can’t get paragons in sandbox, even though I’ve had games where I’ve gotten all the paragons I’ve unlocked
so how much money and pops are needed to reach a lvl 100 dart monkey paragon now?
wb geraldo?
you can now add paragons to sandbox mode
-challenge free play joins the chat-
Navarch of the seas isnt working in sandbox
I’m hitting 100 on every paragon. I only have the wizard and boomerang left
I got 69 level wizard paragon with giving 10k and nothing more
W
Nice
SO if max money is deegree 56 is the solo paragon still possible or geraldo still needed
bosses wil be easy with dart paragon
i got the boomarang monkey paragon and i still cant get it in sandbox
me happy
idk why they ad the money thing when its way cheaper to do it normal way
lazyness
so does that mean u can get lvl 100 paragon without geraldo
Using the slider works 5%worst does that mean its more expensive or is it that it doesnt get certain abilities?
I think the new MK is only really good for boomer and maybe wizard paragons, but i just think the crossbow master is a really good tower.
shame it ain’t on the mobile version
Im new player
Does it possible to spawn paragon in ussual game, or you have enough money only in events and sadbox?