Will Graham meets Dr Chilton - Manhunter (1986)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Deleted scene from Manhunter that only appears on the original low Director's Cut DVD. This version comes from a a TV showing in a 4:3 frame so has more picture top and bottom than the DVD version. I've cleaned up the pcture best I could but there isn't lot to work with.
Damn i love Peterson as graham ... he was born to play that role
milster nope
Ok
milster Guess you prefer the flatter phone it in style of Norton then....
@milster Norton is an excellent , accomplished aCtor, who was absolutely poo in Red Dragon
William Petersen is a great actor indeed. None better in my humble opinion .
That is Benjamin Hendrickson as Chilton; he was active in daytime soaps in the 1980's (played villain Silas Crocker on GL, detective Hal Munson on ATWT, etc). Good actor. Sadly, he killed himself in 2006 in his mid-fifties.
it's a shame Mann's earlier films like this and especially The Keep were so butchered down by studios and cut into hundreds of different broadcast versions. This scene should've been left it, as it develops Graham's character further, builds tension for the initial Lecter (Lecktor) meeting, and also is more true to Chilton's character from the book.
In this case it would have been Michael Mann who cut this scene for his own reasons. No one would have dared mess with his Manhunter as he had full control.
I see many negative comments about this movie. Amazing, this film is far superior to the overtly Hollywood versions with Anthony Hopkins. Having no name actors in these roles was perfect.
@VincentHanna121 The quality of the tones of voice isn't something done these days.
+milster Well, of course Brian Cox isn't Hopkins, and Peterson isn't Norton; it's different interpretations of the characters. You're comparing apples and oranges here.
Personally, while I have always enjoyed Sir Anthony in Silence of the Lambs, his parts were greatly amplified and rather over done in Reg Dragon; he felt far too cartoonish to be a true genius psychopath.
Brian Cox is more realistic and subtle. Norton is also too normal compared to the book counterpart as well. Will is unstable. Norton is charming and likeable.
I agree that this film looks drab and is often shot poorly, though.
milster this movie has much more flair and style than generic by-the-numbers production of Red Dragon.
@milster completely agree. it looks so B movie quality. I can't even take it serious.
almost like an audition send in.
See, watch where i talk to this guy right here, see what i am doing.... i am this character!
@@Kruppt808 Its like the 80s, all movies looked like this
Love this film and amazed and happy to see this scene, genuinely never knew it existed!, many thanks!
1:07 top left you can see a microphone lol
Never noticed that before. Good eye!
On the old vhs tapes, you can see the boom mike in a couple of other scenes, but they're airbrushed on the DVDs and Blu-Rays.
That or they are cropped out. Some directors weren't guarding for open matte viewings.
This was the best thing to come out of Hollywood in a decade. But you have to develop a taste for it .
5 star film
1:14 was he thinking of attacking chilton?
I've been in a good number of public institutions and correctional facilities during an old job, and I have never seen an office or furniture like this. There's clutter and papers and folders everywhere, and things are just so very different. Look at the chair Graham is sitting in. That's something off a back porch in a Florida condo. I know this is Michael Mann, but this was just so jarring it didn't feel right at all. I think SOTL got this part of things better. I did, though, think Lecter's cell and the drawer and such were spot on. I saw stuff like that.
Oh, you may not have realised this yet but this is not an actual office. It’s a set from a film which is not a documentary, only a scripted film with actors acting out characters from a script.
@@himankkr7060 Thank you so much. I had not realized that.
@@unclematt3 You’re welcome, bud.
@unclematt3 "It didn't feel right at all" Personally, that's part of the reason I like the aesthetic. On one hand, the room design (bare walls, all white, no clutter) gives you a sense like you're being watched and analyzed. It could be a way for the audience to get a sense of what Graham felt after returning to work. Hell even Lecter is dressed in all white, adding to the effect that even a former doctor turned prisoner is analyzing Graham.
On the other hand, I wouldn't have wanted to see this in Silence of the Lambs because that movie evokes a different aesthetic of discomfort (cold, gloomy, worn down, old). The homes and buildings themselves give a sense of discomfort in that their worn appearance makes you feel like they should be fixed or just torn down. That could be interpreted as long-lived institutions that continue to operate and while the same obvious problems (worn down appearance) still continue to linger without being fixed.
@@tech-bore8839 Fair point. Did not consider that. Thank you for writing.
Looks like a very rough cut of the scene angles here, I think the odd pauses may have been for editing purposes - although in the end, they obviously didn't bother to use the scene.
The scene is in the original, it was cut for cable TV later.
The scene wasn't in the movie when it hit theatres, some home video editions have added it to the movie, but it was never originally there. Michael Mann is very well known for altering his movies a lot after release, in fact.
The odd pauses are a reflection of the way this scene plays out in the book. Chilton pesters Graham with questions about Lecter and Graham just stonewalls him during stretches of awkward silence.
I was wondering if you still had your master copy of this broadcast? I believe I could get it looking much better for you.
Wow I used to watch Guiding Light during the early/mid 80s. Did not place the actor playing Dr. Chilton as the same guy who played Silas Crocker (such an impossibly unlikely name).
You know what’s silly is how Graham seethes menace as Chilton makes the observation that Graham has insight and was therefore able to apprehend lector because he can reconstruct lector’s mindset and motivations. Yet there are women or at least one woman who does the same thing in real life but no one would suggest any parallel between her motivations predilections and those of the murderers whom she profiles.
But of course we’re supposed to infer by this and Chilton does as well, that you wouldn’t want to annoy someone whose mind so fully understands the machinations of a base and bloody murderer.
there are many people like that, they're called profilers
@@cagneybillingsley2165 yes and they’re psychologically trained to intuit a killers motivation and mindset, not potential murderers who haven’t scratched their own itch because they desire to kill people themselves.
Very interesting, thanks for uploading!
I don't know if that was the style of the time or done on purpose, but Chilton's office looks so sterile and minimalistic that it makes me think of an inmate's cell.
And from what I remember: Lecter's cell looks very similar, *and* they are both dressed in white. Will Graham of course isn't --> contrast between him and the two similarly staged inhabitants of the clinic?
A very interesting scene though largely unnecessary as these points are covered in the film already. Absolutely no comparison of this excellent film and the dumbed down versions with Anthony Hopkins for big Hollywood.
Might be minor, but it adds a sense of discomfort that the viewer can relate to with Graham. The room evokes a sense of being watched and analyzed like an examination room (i.e. bare white walls, few pieces of furniture, little to no papers or books). It gives the feeling that even though Graham recovered from his mental issues, that he feels like he's being analyzed by the people who work with him. Hell, even Lecter himself is dressed in all white and it feels like he's analyzing Graham as well.
I don't really like the shots they use in this scene. idk why they would put will partially out of frame. i get it's a deleted scene, but still.
There is still some extra cropping on the left and right. A proper widescreen version wouldn't look so incompetently shot.
@@dumpstarnews4310 On the DVD it actually does look just as bad.
Every scene in the original director's cut DVD is horribly cropped, my suspicion is they took a 4x3 copy of a longer version of the movie and used that as their source, cropping it back into widescreen and making it even more cramped. They eventually made a DVD from proper widescreen elements, but deleted this scene from that cut unfortunately.
You are 100% right, yet this scene is so elusive.
The other Chilton is way creepier than this one.
and way over the top
this one is less obnoxious.
@@plasticweapon I so agree. It's like Anthony Heald's "Dr. Chilton" was just teasing and begging Hannibal to kill him, where as Ben Hendrickson's "Dr. Chilton" was more reserved and studying Hannibal like he should. Nevertheless, great performances by both actors.
I don't think "creepy" is the right word.
More like "sleazy".
Interesting
I think this film credits the audience with more intelligence. In SOTL Chilton and Lecter are both blatantly awful in a pantomime way, in this film the audience is allowed to deduce this from more subtle clues.
I never understood the staging and utter whiteness of this office, it’s awkward and ruins the scene. Too bad,
Is that Lumbergh?
No, but it does look like him.
white room torture.
Nick Mancuso?
what about him?
i think this scene is cut from most copies of the movie. Probably a good idea
Wow. This original version of the movie is incredibly STILTED.
It’s just less Hollywood. This is closer to how real people would act. Not saying it’s better or worse, but it’s not done out of incompetence.
I want to like this film but in comparison to Red Dragon all the acting seems so bland and dull.
wow no wonder this film is forgotten in the series, not saying they're all terrible but none of the actors even come close to matching up with the actors in The silence of the lambs or red dragon, Brian cox however is utter shite when compared to Anthony Hopkins
I think you may be comparing apples and oranges. I too prefer the Hopkins portrayal of Hannibal Lector, but what Brian Cox does is actually quite interesting if you are looking for a good depiction of psychopathy. The Character that Anthony Hopkins creates doesn't really fit neatly into any particular category of psychiatric disorder; he's not really pathologically sadistic, but he has no problem with killing people when the mood occurs; he is largely indifferent to human life, but is capable of emotional bonding; he's clearly narcissistic, but is almost superhumanly competent as well, which makes one wonder if his impressions of grandeur are delusional or not. All of these combine to make him a strong, memorable, compelling character, but not perhaps as realistic as Cox's character, who is simply a very believable psychopath.
you kidding? manhunter was waaay better than red ragon
I totally agree, and this is a poor clip to judge from. It is better deleted. The following scene, between Will and Lector, is a genuine classic with two great actors. Mr. Lemons might have a better opinion if he watched that scene instead of this one.
+silver lemons The Red Dragon remake utterly blows. It may as well have been directed by Michael Bay for how awful it was.
Best Will Graham.
the strange pauses the camera angles the exit from the scene... the directing is terrible. maybe i am spoined by good movies but the 1980's really is a barren wasteland
Please dont ever make films.
+Bryan Vetell As compared to the CGI, rapid ADHD editing of today? Not too mention how truly fucking awful today's mainstream music is. You're a fucking moron.
Bryan Vetell The actor who plays Chilton is terrible in this scene!
surely you know more about filmmaking than Michael Mann. Clown.
You're an idiot. Stay the hell away from movie industry.