Eh I don't think so. For example if you brighten it up on the master and one element becomes to bright, go back to the mix and adjust it, don't try to fix it in the master.
@@Scorpiondaily I think it's best to save the mix session, Master in a new session and endure Trial & Error. That way you get repetitions of mastering properly in and can train your ear and progress. Fastest way to become advanced because it forces you to compartmentalise your workflow and make decisions based on which part of the process you're at. and then finally, reflect and see references, take notes and repeat. also mastering in the same session may end up very resource heavy
Please don’t overthink this ESPECIALLY if you make EDM. These mixing rules confused the fck out of me for the longest time until I stopped caring about these rules and started mixing with feeling. Obviously it’s important to understand these rules, but please don’t confine yourself to them.
I agree with the last part. "try to not master in mixing but in exported file audio". In my experience, i agree! But the most important is: "Try to master in mixing "
quickest way to master, open a lufs meter & maximus turn up the gain knob until it hits your target of lufs add 3.0 saturation, pull the ceiling down on maximus to trim off the peaks and ur done. remember mastering is just loudness and colouring ur sound so if you aren't happy with the project Mastering won't help.
This is not true for all people. You have to approach this music thing as making music, not some science. I have always been disappointed with other people mastering my work. So I am one of those who think about what a track sounds like and consider if it captures the audience. In conclusion, I honk that mastering for most cases is way over rated and kept as some sort of mystery. So the answer is YES you can mix and master your own work. Just get the right tools and don’t over think it and complicate it.
first time I will disagree with you mate, because for so many reason you can't tell what is good or not on a session, of course it's "better" to export, but not nowadays with computers who will run project with hundreds of tracks with no problem Just a question of preferences for me I guess ;) But the advice for the fresh ears is 100 legit tho ;)
What I’m learning is that some of these mastering bus plugins use up a lot of cpu, so the bounce lets you make use of over sampling on the master bus depending on how powerful your system is.
I think this goes for a lot of music makers when i say it but dont even bother mastering your songs if you are either young or a beginner. Just make as much shit as u can, trust me, yyou willnt regret it.
You're not an idiot. Many people mix and master in the same session, myself included. it has to be approached musically, not too scientifically. At the end of the day, all that matters is how good, healthy and clean your track sounds with all musical elements across the frequency spectrum. Never over think while making music.
I say you make groundrules for yourself. if it's an album, then be organized. get the template organized in the way you work fast, lay the foundation. turn up the daw master volume and get the headroom you need. if you know how to get those peaks down, and keep percieved dynamics, then you will barely have to master. just figure out your targets. aim and fire.
Facts mix into a limiter or soft clipper and then bounce the drum stems, vocal stems, and whatever other stems as a wav so that you still have some control in your master session!
Very good advices, I don’t think you need too long of a break, just do another one forget about the previous one, listen to other music, listen to what’s new, what you like..
I mix into a limiter, compressor, multiband compressor and saturator. then I just add one final limiter once Im done mixing to push the loudness. mix revisions are all done with the master chain on. weird workflow but works like crazy
It’s not that serious and yes you can mix and master. These people be putting out false information like they know it all. If anyone knows a thing or two about mixing and mastering they will find that you don’t always get it right the first time and have to go back and make several adjustments. Secondly music is subjective. So what sounds good to you might not sound good to someone else. Smfh!!
Why shouldn't i master in my mix? I have debated with myself about this a lot before. I tried it, stopped now am back at doing it. I feel if your CPU can handle it, it's "sorta" easier to master in the mix cause then you get fix stuff as you finish your track. But mostly, i make sure i am confident that i have a super clean mix before starting to put plugins on the master etc.
in none the wiser words of Warren Huart: "Make sure everything is loud *enough* by the time it hits the master bus, that way you don't have to limit and clip the shit out of it; we don't need another Death Magnetic situation"
Lol it is a science, who said it has to be a fixed way. Like our seasons change, but strawberries don’t really grow in wintertime in Norway. But we can grow strawberries in summers. The reason people remaster songs is because of new standards.
I think mixing is most of the work. If the mix is wacky the mastering will be very limited in what it can do without making things weird. Yesterday I was listening to the radio after a long time not listening to the radio. It sounded bad to me. But compeditive...
U can do whatever you want i will have to check how u got the project running without latency with all those synths and vsti on busses and master channels after u stoppednthenproduction phase. If it doesnt need much ok, but usually the production stage-gainstaging mixong stage- mastering stem mastering stage takes up a lot of cpu for different plugins and tools. U should seperate it at least so u domt mix or master a unprinted laggy track
Not going to say you can or can’t, but everyone has their own techniques and there is no rule to making music, some people might achieve it ..others won’t
Hmm .. I would have thought it was the opposite like color correction then color grade. Wouldn’t you want to make the audio sound right to begin with then add effects etc?
Most producers nowadays are already trying to master before the mix is finished . One guy i know has a weiss mastering maximizer as default on his channels 😂
Mastering no, but mixing under mastering conditions yes! Put that Limiter on the output chain, and make sure the output level Is -14 LUFS. When doing the mixing under these conditions then you are less likely to get unpleasant surprises after the real mastering has been done. And before sending the track to mastering, take the Limiter out and send the track with -24LUFS to the mastering engineer.
No, just no lol your average competitive master is hitting between -6 and -9 lufs. There is no reason to send a mastering engineer a song at a level where they've gotta push it up more than a few db from the research I've gathered and most of that has come from Grammy winning mix and mastering engineers
What I've understood is that when you master you are consistent. Especially if you have several tracks that you want to master in a certain style. And if you just have one song that you master within in the mix, you might be tempted to adjust something on the mix level and you might ruin something you already accomplished. Mastering is "just" polishing.
Only a master engineer can do mastering tho. All you do on your track, including slaaping a waves limiter on the master is still considered mixing. Yep. Mastering requires a specific room with specific gear that none of yall have access to. Doing your own thing isnt bad per se, but its not called mastering.
You're so wrong on that one. That's like saying you're not recording because you're not in an isolated booth with a U87, or you're not playing basketball unless you're in the NBA. You don't have to specialize or have everything at a professional level to do things. This is gatekeeper talk and it's hurting the community more than helping
Mastering is a process. A Mastering engineer is a person, and gear/acoustics are no more than that. If you do the process of mastering, it's mastering lol
I say you make groundrules for yourself. if it's an album, then be organized. get the template organized in the way you work fast, lay the foundation. turn up the daw master volume and get the headroom you need. if you know how to get those peaks down, and keep percieved dynamics, then you will barely have to master. just figure out your targets. aim and fire.
Eh I don't think so. For example if you brighten it up on the master and one element becomes to bright, go back to the mix and adjust it, don't try to fix it in the master.
Its more about moment when you work with master and fixing some mixing stuff, this is still mastering
If you have to do that is because the mixing stage is not finished yet
Eh something wrong with your mix
@@tubeo94 that’s exactly what I was saying in my example haha thanks
man do what ever works for you you guys just make people overthink sh!T
For beginners tips: I would advise to master in the same session because normally you will want to change the mix when you start to master it
@@Scorpiondaily I think it's best to save the mix session, Master in a new session and endure Trial & Error. That way you get repetitions of mastering properly in and can train your ear and progress. Fastest way to become advanced because it forces you to compartmentalise your workflow and make decisions based on which part of the process you're at. and then finally, reflect and see references, take notes and repeat. also mastering in the same session may end up very resource heavy
Please don’t overthink this ESPECIALLY if you make EDM. These mixing rules confused the fck out of me for the longest time until I stopped caring about these rules and started mixing with feeling. Obviously it’s important to understand these rules, but please don’t confine yourself to them.
Exactly my experience!
I agree with the last part. "try to not master in mixing but in exported file audio". In my experience, i agree!
But the most important is: "Try to master in mixing "
If you make edm/heavy bass music we all know you mix and master as you go, cause the master usually just has a clipper. Every genre is different :)
Fr 😳🤔
Not me and a lot of people dude. We might turn the mastering chain on as we produce and mixing. But we do turn it off and print to stereo for master
interesting, there are no rules! ignorant of me to say "we all know" @@tubeo94
@@tubeo94 nah i just make everything sound nice as I go.
quickest way to master, open a lufs meter & maximus turn up the gain knob until it hits your target of lufs add 3.0 saturation, pull the ceiling down on maximus to trim off the peaks and ur done. remember mastering is just loudness and colouring ur sound so if you aren't happy with the project Mastering won't help.
This is not true for all people. You have to approach this music thing as making music, not some science. I have always been disappointed with other people mastering my work. So I am one of those who think about what a track sounds like and consider if it captures the audience. In conclusion, I honk that mastering for most cases is way over rated and kept as some sort of mystery. So the answer is YES you can mix and master your own work. Just get the right tools and don’t over think it and complicate it.
first time I will disagree with you mate,
because for so many reason you can't tell what is good or not on a session, of course it's "better" to export, but not nowadays with computers who will run project with hundreds of tracks with no problem
Just a question of preferences for me I guess ;)
But the advice for the fresh ears is 100 legit tho ;)
What I’m learning is that some of these mastering bus plugins use up a lot of cpu, so the bounce lets you make use of over sampling on the master bus depending on how powerful your system is.
Is about the Result , If you know what you are doing there you go . Is posible to do it
Well I made a masterchain which i always use while mixing somehow 😅
In Deadmau masterclass he says mastering is cutting out 30hz, and putting a limiter on it. Haha I meannnn
He does more than that but doesn't explain bc it comes so easy to him
Yeah...I always focus on a static mix before I ever even think about mastering
yes you can !
I think this goes for a lot of music makers when i say it but dont even bother mastering your songs if you are either young or a beginner. Just make as much shit as u can, trust me, yyou willnt regret it.
This is probably a better thing to worry about. If you get good enough, you probably won’t be the one mastering your tracks anymore anyways lol
@@SanMario95But wheres the fun and meaning in letting other people master ur tracks
Yep exactly, I just like light comp and get those volume levels comparative but master in a different project trust this man!!!
A good mix doesn‘t Need much Mastering, Maybe a bit width and clipping for Loudness!
Me who does both together as I produce along the way like an idiot
You're not an idiot. Many people mix and master in the same session, myself included. it has to be approached musically, not too scientifically. At the end of the day, all that matters is how good, healthy and clean your track sounds with all musical elements across the frequency spectrum. Never over think while making music.
@@AdMBandLeader thanks man , thats a really good advice 🔥🔥
@@kucklowmusic9184 Always welcome, brother.
I say you make groundrules for yourself. if it's an album, then be organized. get the template organized in the way you work fast, lay the foundation. turn up the daw master volume and get the headroom you need. if you know how to get those peaks down, and keep percieved dynamics, then you will barely have to master. just figure out your targets. aim and fire.
Glue Compressor and a Clipper 😂 Trust me Guys ive sold tracks with only those two on the Master 💯
Facts mix into a limiter or soft clipper and then bounce the drum stems, vocal stems, and whatever other stems as a wav so that you still have some control in your master session!
Limiter in the master track. Done ✔️
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I always mix first, then export is as a .wav file, then Mastering.
Mastering is a science of 🇵🇱 Polishing
Very good advices, I don’t think you need too long of a break, just do another one forget about the previous one, listen to other music, listen to what’s new, what you like..
Of course you can. What if you need to adjust something in the mix while you’re mastering.
I mix into a limiter, compressor, multiband compressor and saturator. then I just add one final limiter once Im done mixing to push the loudness. mix revisions are all done with the master chain on. weird workflow but works like crazy
Yeah this is known as top down mixing, works I agree. But it feels limited compared to just mixing for me and then mastering later
It’s not that serious and yes you can mix and master. These people be putting out false information like they know it all. If anyone knows a thing or two about mixing and mastering they will find that you don’t always get it right the first time and have to go back and make several adjustments. Secondly music is subjective. So what sounds good to you might not sound good to someone else. Smfh!!
Many studio people do both
Nice tip man. It seems that humanity has forgotten this
what mic is that
LOL, so when your client has 3 reviews after mastering???
Hmm... I dont know..
But I undurstand Your point
I like to master the unfinished mix before i start mixing the finished master 🙃
Cool 😮😮
What software do you use?
I have done both before 😂😂 afrobeats is crazy 😂😂
Why shouldn't i master in my mix? I have debated with myself about this a lot before. I tried it, stopped now am back at doing it. I feel if your CPU can handle it, it's "sorta" easier to master in the mix cause then you get fix stuff as you finish your track. But mostly, i make sure i am confident that i have a super clean mix before starting to put plugins on the master etc.
Theres no rules
in none the wiser words of Warren Huart:
"Make sure everything is loud *enough* by the time it hits the master bus, that way you don't have to limit and clip the shit out of it; we don't need another Death Magnetic situation"
If mastering was a science, we wouldn't have remasters.
Lol it is a science, who said it has to be a fixed way.
Like our seasons change, but strawberries don’t really grow in wintertime in Norway.
But we can grow strawberries in summers.
The reason people remaster songs is because of new standards.
@@kriss12loverapagree
It is lol
I like daws but it's really bad for editing best mastering inside a proper audio editing software.
but there is a fact mixing into Limiter. Or even producing into limiter because at least you will guess what the finished product will sound like
I think mixing is most of the work. If the mix is wacky the mastering will be very limited in what it can do without making things weird. Yesterday I was listening to the radio after a long time not listening to the radio. It sounded bad to me. But compeditive...
what if you copy your master chain to the master on the mix? isn't it the same?
Yep
U can do whatever you want i will have to check how u got the project running without latency with all those synths and vsti on busses and master channels after u stoppednthenproduction phase. If it doesnt need much ok, but usually the production stage-gainstaging mixong stage- mastering stem mastering stage takes up a lot of cpu for different plugins and tools. U should seperate it at least so u domt mix or master a unprinted laggy track
Not going to say you can or can’t, but everyone has their own techniques and there is no rule to making music, some people might achieve it ..others won’t
Hmm .. I would have thought it was the opposite like color correction then color grade. Wouldn’t you want to make the audio sound right to begin with then add effects etc?
I already tried it , and i am tired from it . I prefer mix and master in same session.
Man 👍🏿🫡
Most producers nowadays are already trying to master before the mix is finished . One guy i know has a weiss mastering maximizer as default on his channels 😂
Competitive? 😂 why should music sound competitive?
Competitive just means to the same standard as popular music
The competitive comment is where we go wrong. It's why, like cars all look the same. Music all sounds the same. Everyone chasing someone else's tone.
Not about the tone but loudness. No one wants a noticeable volume difference between an industry master and their own
Mastering no, but mixing under mastering conditions yes! Put that Limiter on the output chain, and make sure the output level
Is -14 LUFS. When doing the mixing under these conditions then you are less likely to get unpleasant surprises after the real mastering has been done. And before sending the track to mastering, take the Limiter out and send the track with -24LUFS to the mastering engineer.
No, just no lol your average competitive master is hitting between -6 and -9 lufs. There is no reason to send a mastering engineer a song at a level where they've gotta push it up more than a few db from the research I've gathered and most of that has come from Grammy winning mix and mastering engineers
someone’s never heard of stem mastering.most engineers these days mix into a mix bus chain… is that mastering?
i do
Sadly, mastering nowadays is making the song as loud as possible.
Elistist
Reason why you need to export and not master inside mixing session?😂
What I've understood is that when you master you are consistent. Especially if you have several tracks that you want to master in a certain style. And if you just have one song that you master within in the mix, you might be tempted to adjust something on the mix level and you might ruin something you already accomplished. Mastering is "just" polishing.
Mastering isn't a science.
Try and stop me
Ask Mike Dean.
Mike dean isn't even great at mastering that's how hard it is
Only a master engineer can do mastering tho. All you do on your track, including slaaping a waves limiter on the master is still considered mixing. Yep. Mastering requires a specific room with specific gear that none of yall have access to. Doing your own thing isnt bad per se, but its not called mastering.
You're so wrong on that one. That's like saying you're not recording because you're not in an isolated booth with a U87, or you're not playing basketball unless you're in the NBA. You don't have to specialize or have everything at a professional level to do things. This is gatekeeper talk and it's hurting the community more than helping
Mastering is a process. A Mastering engineer is a person, and gear/acoustics are no more than that. If you do the process of mastering, it's mastering lol
This is not true, got a lot of my songs mix and master at the same time
The music in the background 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Trash
I say you make groundrules for yourself. if it's an album, then be organized. get the template organized in the way you work fast, lay the foundation. turn up the daw master volume and get the headroom you need. if you know how to get those peaks down, and keep percieved dynamics, then you will barely have to master. just figure out your targets. aim and fire.