I am only a minute into the video and I was already going down to comment this. Knowing when he's muted and when he's talking to the others is important and he's going to have to clarify that for chat's sake so much more often now. Names would also be nice because I'm not really familiar with the different peoples' avatars.
Yeah it’s definitely a quality of life thing to know when he’s talking to chat and the others. And I agree on toastr1255’s point about seeing names, that’ll definitely be helpful.
Probably wouldn’t be that hard to just add a little symbol on the stream overlay somewhere to represent whether he’s muted or not. Then just keybind it to the same thing as his discord mute and it would theoretically work to represent whether he’s talking in discord or not. Just the normal 🔈 vs 🔇 speakers visual beside his face maybe?
I don't see the problem with Krypto. Even if Ozza intended for them to guess Casino, as long as it ties into other clues as well, then it should be 100% legal. IDK if the rules say otherwise, but I'd say that the rules should be changed if that's the case, because if you can't do wordplay the game is no fun, and I'd say at least half the clues I've seen in all these sessions would be illegal.
Exactly! Uncles it is one molecule, water is saturated with other water and therefore it is wet. I will die on this hill. Or drown in this body of water I guess
i don’t understand where we keep getting the “the clue has to be related to the word itself” rule from, and if it is a rule then it shouldn’t be. there’s literally no way to police the rule in a practical way
@ the others sure, but the meaning of the word “meaning” is fairly broad from what i understand. it’s meant to prevent clues about spelling and position on the table, not prevent word play because technically the meaning is x and not y. if it’s about the word in an abstract, definitional sense rather than its physical manifestation in the game then it’s fine. the lucky strikes clue from last game was also legal, because it is about the meaning of the word, not the spelling or position
yeah i agree, my perspective is, if he wouldve said crypto instead of krypto, it isnt really related to casino anyways, casino doesnt "mean" crypto nor vice versa, you dont use crypto in a casino, crypto is just kind of associated with gambling. "meaning" is way too broad
@@Crazyclay78YT online casinos use crypto a lot of the time, notably stake which has had many ties with twitch streamers and would definitely be relevant in this case
It would, if the meaning was for kryptonite. Because then the clue would be about the spelling of the word rather than the meaning. But because it’s about the dog it’s perfectly legal.
@@Gl33pGl0rp Not kryptonite, cryptocurrency. They got "casino" from thinking of "krypto" being close to "crypto". That would be an illegal clue if Ozza meant that, but he was going for "goat" as the third word rather than "casino" so it is legal. Kara then tried to push that line of thought with a clip of Ozza considering that they might think cryptocurrency, but that was just something he was considering as an unintended interpretation when making sure the clue wouldn't get any other words.
@@toastr1255but why would it be illegal for them to think "krypto" is similar to "crypto"? I would get it if crypto or cryptocurrency was on the board, but it's not, so I still don't get it.
@@DetLutar Because "sound-alike" clues like that are not allowed. As per Code Names rules, a spymaster could not use "krypto" and intend for their team to make connections to "crypto"
@@Lforc-25 the thing is, it's not a word with double meanings. They were arguing over the validity of using "krypto" to get something related to "crypto". That's abusing homophones, which is not allowed unless agreed on
also Kara mad she lost, take rock can both be a clue for the actor and stone's sizes like gravel and sand and dust or minerals like calcium, magnesium and so on. Take loss! ( insert the take loss song here )
58:05 I would have done Ham 3 here. It may have been a stretch, but it could link Straw, Brick, and possibly Turkey. Straw and Brick are the 3 little pigs, and they might start thinking about thanksgiving foods
Oh I would have messed up the Camerupt hint. Y'see, of the two trainers well known for having a Camerupt, one is the gym leader of a town with a hot spring *_bath._*
I don't understand why Kara thinks Krypto was considered an illegal clue. The target word was not "crypto", it was casino. Imagine the words "dark", "sword" and "batman" were on the board... "Knight" would be a valid clue, would it not? But what if the word "moon" was also there? Is "knight" now illegal to be used to relate to moon because it simply rhymes with the word "night" which has a closer correlation?
The rules do genuinely say you can't link words via homophones aka words that sound alike. Rough quote from the rules is "No knight related clues for night" but as said above, Moon Knight would be legal
@@natayliab1266 In reference to the rule, my point is that the word "night" isn't on the board at all to be linked to. I don't think it's fair to call it an illegal clue just because the guessers interpretted a double meaning based on pronunciation to guess a completely different word. Won't edit the original comment to keep the replies relevant but that's on me for not being too familiar with Marvel. But to reiterate my point, substitute "moon" with "nocturnal". If the guessers make the association because of a homophone to guess a completely unrelated word, that should be fine as the target word itself wasn't the homophone. If the clue was "slay" and the guessers reasoned themselves into clicking "Santa" that would be fair but it would be illegal if the goal was for them to click "sleigh".
@DarkDemon259 I think it'd also apply if the clue were slay but you're trying to go for sleigh related clues along with it, however if it's a singular word that can hold multiple meanings then that's okay if that makes sense (like relating rock to the stone or to the music genre or to the actor). The rules are a bit broad to the point where they can be interpreted in different ways hence the constant debate in these vods over it. I think that relates to the krypto/crypto discussion here.
“Same-sounding words with different meanings and different spellings are considered different words. So you can’t give knight related clues for night” Krypto the dog has nothing to do with casinos - only crypto does.
@@eldegoss32But that rule is to prevent using unrelated words that rhyme for the target word (like using the word melon to guess felon). The fact that Krypto happens to rhym with crypto which relates to "casino" is irrelevant in this case and it was simply interpretted that way by the guessers. That argument would make sense if the target word itself was "crypto" but it wasn't. Imagine "moon", "dark", "sword" and "batman" were on the board. Would "knight" be an illegal clue if they inteded for all 4 to be guessed because knights aren't technically related to the moon? In this example, it would be technically illegal if the word "night" was on the board.
@ The black card was green, and I’d say krypto relates to that a lot more than it does Goat. Idk, I think that Ozza is way too smart to miss that and I think his clue only makes sense if he was going for casino.
i really dont get the numel nümel discourse? when you say trubbish, you dont say trübbish, and like correct me if im wrong, but not every group of letters always makes the same sound in english. English has a very deep orthography: You cannot always reliably guess how a word is pronounced because of the way it is spelled, and various symbols can express a variety of sounds. Arabic, Persian, Finnish, and German are good examples of shallow orthographies: each symbol maps roughly to one sound, and each sound is represented by roughly one symbol. wow, then being so headstrong about crypto/krypto, but defending camerupt from the same perspective she was just arguing about (edit: Clues should be one word related to the content of the definition, rather than the sound or spelling of the word. and camerupt is playing off the spelling of camel). like how is "krypto" getting casino any worse than trying to get microwave for "camerupt"? just because hes fire type and microwaves make heat? but krypto requires luck (which is what ozza meant) and maybe could be related to casinos because of how its basically gambling. like what is the mf difference? theyre both fine clues. is it just the will to be correct? being forced to live with a hypocritical, arrogant, entitled person similar to that for the last 18 years of my life, its on the cusp of just straight up narcissism. its a mf game, treat it as such, its not that serious.
"hypocritical, arrogant, entitled" "on the cusp of narcissism" is actually insane stuff. I don't agree with her take personally but your "microwave" comparison shows you didn't understand her argument at all and she was at absolute worst just misinterpreting the rules and getting a bit too into the game which is very normal behavior. Plus she chose to move on from the conversation herself without getting the last word in. Sparklez gets upset while playing codenames when he doesn't win all the time. It is, as you said, not that serious. Consider therapy for projecting your negative relationships onto a random person playing a game on the internet if you have not 👍
@Cry-byte lol ok, she literally brought it up after they'd finished taking about it the first time saying something about a clip of ozza like incriminating himself or something and trying to go for casino. If that's not trying to throw him under the bus to look better then idk what is. Is her outward image that important? I know that shes saying the dog specifically won't get casino, but kara told jvck she was attempting to get microwave with camerupt. So both still take a logical jump, and it makes the game more interesting by not forcing you to have like 2 clues of 2 like just gambling and dog or whatever. Both of the clues were legal. You can live in denial all you want, but the signs are there, she can't say "yeah, you're right", and it lowkey ruins the game either way.
@@Crazyclay78YT I was talking about the final discussion of it around 26 minutes in, where the last statement made on the matter is in disagreement of her but she lets it go and moves on anyways, then proceeds to not bring it up again and they have fun for the next hour and 20 minutes. far from "ruining" the game. seemed like she still doesn't see her assessment as wrong but i have no idea why "agreeing to disagree" isn't good enough. there are other people in this comment section explaining why her interpretation is correct anyways, and while personally im more in disagreement with it i can see it both ways. i think calling someone out when you feel that you lost unfairly based on your own interpretation of the rules and then having a disagreement about it that doesn't get too heated, considering that one of the main objectives of a game is to win, is extremely normal. no idea what the "outward image" nonsense is or what there is to be in denial over, but psychoanalyzing her behavior this much when she is a stranger to you is pretty creepy and weird! that being said please assign me some negative personality traits you think i might have based on the discussion we've had so far. thanks
@@Cry-byte around 24:40 they get the clue, and stop talking about it for a full minute and 20 seconds, until 26:00 (in the middle of their turn) when kara says "Ozza is exposed, this clip here...", in turn taking another 45 seconds of argument. like it was over with, but kara just _had_ to bring it up again and "expose" Ozza; the fact that she felt she needed to expose him (even if said jokingly, the effect is the same) is quite concerning. His argument was that they would do Bark Luck and Goat for Krypto the dog, but if they didnt know the dog specifically then they would think of crypto and at least do Luck and Casino. that is a perfectly legal clue. she wouldntve even had to have "Let it go in disagreement" after 26:00, it couldve just trailed off at 24:40 and been over with, but her need to be correct, not only in this instance by bringing it up yet again, but in other videos as well, is what "ruins" the game. "seemed like she still doesn't see her assessment as wrong" yeah, narcissists never do lmao. if she had the ability to just say "you know, youre right" that would solve many of the issues that she herself creates. honestly, i see why she still plays among us.
@@Crazyclay78YT Not really over with because she didn't explain herself properly and the others were still confused. It only "ended" because the next clue popped up and interrupted the conversation for only a minute. No idea how her continuing the conversation with some light ribbing is concerning. If you absolutely *need* her to say "yeah you're right" or else that means she might have a highly stigmatized personality disorder in your eyes then YOU are the one who needs to be right and also a total creep. There is clearly nothing else I can say to you on this but despite being rude to you on purpose I genuinely hope your home life improves.
The only thing with the new overlay is I wish we could see when the Captain is speaking through Discord
I am only a minute into the video and I was already going down to comment this. Knowing when he's muted and when he's talking to the others is important and he's going to have to clarify that for chat's sake so much more often now.
Names would also be nice because I'm not really familiar with the different peoples' avatars.
Yeah it’s definitely a quality of life thing to know when he’s talking to chat and the others. And I agree on toastr1255’s point about seeing names, that’ll definitely be helpful.
Probably wouldn’t be that hard to just add a little symbol on the stream overlay somewhere to represent whether he’s muted or not. Then just keybind it to the same thing as his discord mute and it would theoretically work to represent whether he’s talking in discord or not. Just the normal 🔈 vs 🔇 speakers visual beside his face maybe?
you should toggle the option to add your own icon to the little bar so we can see when youre muted and deafened
“You were listening to the caffeine the other day” 😭
Having a whole game trying to differentiate wet from damp is hilarious
I don't see the problem with Krypto.
Even if Ozza intended for them to guess Casino, as long as it ties into other clues as well, then it should be 100% legal.
IDK if the rules say otherwise, but I'd say that the rules should be changed if that's the case, because if you can't do wordplay the game is no fun, and I'd say at least half the clues I've seen in all these sessions would be illegal.
EXACTLY
Kara just always has issues with people for some reason
@@Traxxmaciek No, it just has to do with the rules being vague enough to where people can interpret them differently.
@@Traxxmaciek it's hard to tell with the rules since some of it literally has to do with intention
My argument for water being wet is that even if you want to say water just makes thing wet, then water makes other water wet, so water is wet.
Exactly! Uncles it is one molecule, water is saturated with other water and therefore it is wet. I will die on this hill. Or drown in this body of water I guess
“that’s that me caffeine” doesn’t really roll off the tongue
Ah yes, fish are my favorite reptiles. And hummingbirds are the sharks of the sky
i don’t understand where we keep getting the “the clue has to be related to the word itself” rule from, and if it is a rule then it shouldn’t be. there’s literally no way to police the rule in a practical way
That’s the basic rules of the game. The Clue must pertain to the meaning of the word, not spelling, rhyming, position of the card, “sounds like”, etc.
@ the others sure, but the meaning of the word “meaning” is fairly broad from what i understand. it’s meant to prevent clues about spelling and position on the table, not prevent word play because technically the meaning is x and not y. if it’s about the word in an abstract, definitional sense rather than its physical manifestation in the game then it’s fine. the lucky strikes clue from last game was also legal, because it is about the meaning of the word, not the spelling or position
yeah i agree, my perspective is, if he wouldve said crypto instead of krypto, it isnt really related to casino anyways, casino doesnt "mean" crypto nor vice versa, you dont use crypto in a casino, crypto is just kind of associated with gambling. "meaning" is way too broad
@@Crazyclay78YT online casinos use crypto a lot of the time, notably stake which has had many ties with twitch streamers and would definitely be relevant in this case
Never have I asked myself “does the Monty Hall problem apply to Codenames” until today
32:33 Immaculately timed clue
I legit don't understand why she thought "Krypto" broke the rules
It would, if the meaning was for kryptonite. Because then the clue would be about the spelling of the word rather than the meaning. But because it’s about the dog it’s perfectly legal.
@@Gl33pGl0rp Not kryptonite, cryptocurrency. They got "casino" from thinking of "krypto" being close to "crypto". That would be an illegal clue if Ozza meant that, but he was going for "goat" as the third word rather than "casino" so it is legal. Kara then tried to push that line of thought with a clip of Ozza considering that they might think cryptocurrency, but that was just something he was considering as an unintended interpretation when making sure the clue wouldn't get any other words.
@@toastr1255 thats not true, its legal... homophones cn be fine if you want
@@toastr1255but why would it be illegal for them to think "krypto" is similar to "crypto"? I would get it if crypto or cryptocurrency was on the board, but it's not, so I still don't get it.
@@DetLutar Because "sound-alike" clues like that are not allowed. As per Code Names rules, a spymaster could not use "krypto" and intend for their team to make connections to "crypto"
How did they not get Dash from the incredibles 🤣
at least lucky strikes I could get, but Krypto is literally just one word. Are words with double meanings not allowed now?
this. that's the whole point of the game.
@@Lforc-25 the thing is, it's not a word with double meanings. They were arguing over the validity of using "krypto" to get something related to "crypto". That's abusing homophones, which is not allowed unless agreed on
also Kara mad she lost, take rock can both be a clue for the actor and stone's sizes like gravel and sand and dust or minerals like calcium, magnesium and so on. Take loss! ( insert the take loss song here )
58:05 I would have done Ham 3 here. It may have been a stretch, but it could link Straw, Brick, and possibly Turkey. Straw and Brick are the 3 little pigs, and they might start thinking about thanksgiving foods
Kara's issue is extra ridiculous from her linking camerupt to Egypt. There's never been a camerupt in Egypt, she linked that off of camel...
1:06:32 I would have said holidays 2 because of how Chinese new years is celebrated and thanksgiving turkey
captain sparklez is the best
Oh I would have messed up the Camerupt hint.
Y'see, of the two trainers well known for having a Camerupt, one is the gym leader of a town with a hot spring *_bath._*
It always feels so nostalgic listening to Cap. I still go back and watch the zombie playlist every once and awhile
I don't understand why Kara thinks Krypto was considered an illegal clue. The target word was not "crypto", it was casino.
Imagine the words "dark", "sword" and "batman" were on the board... "Knight" would be a valid clue, would it not?
But what if the word "moon" was also there? Is "knight" now illegal to be used to relate to moon because it simply rhymes with the word "night" which has a closer correlation?
Well, Moon Knight is a thing too, a Marvel character, so that could be legal in your example, but I get what you mean.
The rules do genuinely say you can't link words via homophones aka words that sound alike.
Rough quote from the rules is "No knight related clues for night" but as said above, Moon Knight would be legal
@@natayliab1266 In reference to the rule, my point is that the word "night" isn't on the board at all to be linked to. I don't think it's fair to call it an illegal clue just because the guessers interpretted a double meaning based on pronunciation to guess a completely different word.
Won't edit the original comment to keep the replies relevant but that's on me for not being too familiar with Marvel. But to reiterate my point, substitute "moon" with "nocturnal". If the guessers make the association because of a homophone to guess a completely unrelated word, that should be fine as the target word itself wasn't the homophone.
If the clue was "slay" and the guessers reasoned themselves into clicking "Santa" that would be fair but it would be illegal if the goal was for them to click "sleigh".
@DarkDemon259 I think it'd also apply if the clue were slay but you're trying to go for sleigh related clues along with it, however if it's a singular word that can hold multiple meanings then that's okay if that makes sense (like relating rock to the stone or to the music genre or to the actor). The rules are a bit broad to the point where they can be interpreted in different ways hence the constant debate in these vods over it. I think that relates to the krypto/crypto discussion here.
Let's go more Codenames!!!!
Watchout for siri activations after the argument around 25:00.
Your icon should be on the bottom so we know when you're muted
@captainsparklez you should post a stream where you play old zombies maps like tranzit, buried zombies or Die rise. I would 1000% watch that
I dont know any of those singers/artists they named off lol. Im in the same boat, i dont listen to that top 40 pop.
Very good video 🙏🏽🔥💥
Kara is progressively misunderstanding the rules with each session. This game is not that complex
“Same-sounding words with different meanings and different spellings are considered different words. So you can’t give knight related clues for night”
Krypto the dog has nothing to do with casinos - only crypto does.
@@eldegoss32But that rule is to prevent using unrelated words that rhyme for the target word (like using the word melon to guess felon). The fact that Krypto happens to rhym with crypto which relates to "casino" is irrelevant in this case and it was simply interpretted that way by the guessers. That argument would make sense if the target word itself was "crypto" but it wasn't.
Imagine "moon", "dark", "sword" and "batman" were on the board. Would "knight" be an illegal clue if they inteded for all 4 to be guessed because knights aren't technically related to the moon? In this example, it would be technically illegal if the word "night" was on the board.
@ The black card was green, and I’d say krypto relates to that a lot more than it does Goat. Idk, I think that Ozza is way too smart to miss that and I think his clue only makes sense if he was going for casino.
i really dont get the numel nümel discourse? when you say trubbish, you dont say trübbish, and like correct me if im wrong, but not every group of letters always makes the same sound in english.
English has a very deep orthography: You cannot always reliably guess how a word is pronounced because of the way it is spelled, and various symbols can express a variety of sounds. Arabic, Persian, Finnish, and German are good examples of shallow orthographies: each symbol maps roughly to one sound, and each sound is represented by roughly one symbol.
wow, then being so headstrong about crypto/krypto, but defending camerupt from the same perspective she was just arguing about (edit: Clues should be one word related to the content of the definition, rather than the sound or spelling of the word. and camerupt is playing off the spelling of camel). like how is "krypto" getting casino any worse than trying to get microwave for "camerupt"? just because hes fire type and microwaves make heat? but krypto requires luck (which is what ozza meant) and maybe could be related to casinos because of how its basically gambling. like what is the mf difference? theyre both fine clues. is it just the will to be correct? being forced to live with a hypocritical, arrogant, entitled person similar to that for the last 18 years of my life, its on the cusp of just straight up narcissism.
its a mf game, treat it as such, its not that serious.
"hypocritical, arrogant, entitled" "on the cusp of narcissism" is actually insane stuff. I don't agree with her take personally but your "microwave" comparison shows you didn't understand her argument at all and she was at absolute worst just misinterpreting the rules and getting a bit too into the game which is very normal behavior. Plus she chose to move on from the conversation herself without getting the last word in. Sparklez gets upset while playing codenames when he doesn't win all the time. It is, as you said, not that serious. Consider therapy for projecting your negative relationships onto a random person playing a game on the internet if you have not 👍
@Cry-byte lol ok, she literally brought it up after they'd finished taking about it the first time saying something about a clip of ozza like incriminating himself or something and trying to go for casino. If that's not trying to throw him under the bus to look better then idk what is. Is her outward image that important? I know that shes saying the dog specifically won't get casino, but kara told jvck she was attempting to get microwave with camerupt. So both still take a logical jump, and it makes the game more interesting by not forcing you to have like 2 clues of 2 like just gambling and dog or whatever. Both of the clues were legal. You can live in denial all you want, but the signs are there, she can't say "yeah, you're right", and it lowkey ruins the game either way.
@@Crazyclay78YT I was talking about the final discussion of it around 26 minutes in, where the last statement made on the matter is in disagreement of her but she lets it go and moves on anyways, then proceeds to not bring it up again and they have fun for the next hour and 20 minutes. far from "ruining" the game. seemed like she still doesn't see her assessment as wrong but i have no idea why "agreeing to disagree" isn't good enough. there are other people in this comment section explaining why her interpretation is correct anyways, and while personally im more in disagreement with it i can see it both ways. i think calling someone out when you feel that you lost unfairly based on your own interpretation of the rules and then having a disagreement about it that doesn't get too heated, considering that one of the main objectives of a game is to win, is extremely normal. no idea what the "outward image" nonsense is or what there is to be in denial over, but psychoanalyzing her behavior this much when she is a stranger to you is pretty creepy and weird! that being said please assign me some negative personality traits you think i might have based on the discussion we've had so far. thanks
@@Cry-byte around 24:40 they get the clue, and stop talking about it for a full minute and 20 seconds, until 26:00 (in the middle of their turn) when kara says "Ozza is exposed, this clip here...", in turn taking another 45 seconds of argument. like it was over with, but kara just _had_ to bring it up again and "expose" Ozza; the fact that she felt she needed to expose him (even if said jokingly, the effect is the same) is quite concerning. His argument was that they would do Bark Luck and Goat for Krypto the dog, but if they didnt know the dog specifically then they would think of crypto and at least do Luck and Casino. that is a perfectly legal clue. she wouldntve even had to have "Let it go in disagreement" after 26:00, it couldve just trailed off at 24:40 and been over with, but her need to be correct, not only in this instance by bringing it up yet again, but in other videos as well, is what "ruins" the game. "seemed like she still doesn't see her assessment as wrong" yeah, narcissists never do lmao. if she had the ability to just say "you know, youre right" that would solve many of the issues that she herself creates. honestly, i see why she still plays among us.
@@Crazyclay78YT Not really over with because she didn't explain herself properly and the others were still confused. It only "ended" because the next clue popped up and interrupted the conversation for only a minute. No idea how her continuing the conversation with some light ribbing is concerning. If you absolutely *need* her to say "yeah you're right" or else that means she might have a highly stigmatized personality disorder in your eyes then YOU are the one who needs to be right and also a total creep. There is clearly nothing else I can say to you on this but despite being rude to you on purpose I genuinely hope your home life improves.
I have to say this since I have been watching big bang theory but caption sparkles reminds me of Lenard way to much
Hhh
WATER IS NOT WET
IT IS THE WET
kara is so butt hurt on the rules, I swear...
Haha, let's all laugh at the Captain who doesn't know fish vs reptiles. Meanwhile Kara, who has pet reptiles, doesn't know reptiles vs amphibians.
No views?? Watttt???
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I like the new discord overlay
Actually 🤓, there is no such thing as a fish.
999 views until now >:)
Why not click cheese? he loves being a wuss