I don't believe the granddaughter at all. Even if Mildred had thought about committing suicide, ultimately she didn't. Nor does the granddaughter knowing her grandmother had suicidal thoughts change the fact that the granddaughter was the one restricting Mildred's food and thereby causing her death. It could be framed as a mercy killing but not assisted suicide, especially since the granddaughter implies that Mildred wasn't always certain that she wanted to die.
Starving to death is agonizing. Ibdont believe her this was a mercy killing. She could have done sleeping pill overdose or something else less torturous.
I kinda believe her because my grandma refused to eat at all after my grandpa died, she just didn’t wanna try anymore. I tried so hard to get her to eat it wasn’t until she fell down and went to the hospital that she finally got some help and started eating again.
If the grandmother wanted to die, by starving to death, she wouldn't eat regardless of having food given to her, so if she really wanted to die, particularly by starving to death, the granddaughter wouldn't need to leave instructions to the caretaker to not give the grandmother food
Literally! Old people when they’re near the end often stop eating themselves as well when they’re ready, my grandmother did that, she’d have a couple bites and feed the rest to the dog in secret. Everyone knew it was her time and that was her choice, but food kept being served to her in case she decided she wanted it.
The part I'm not sure about is the strict denying of extra food the carer tried to give. It should have been the grandmother's choice, each time, if she refused extra food. She could have said 'no' each time.
There's one fact that isn't followed up on clearly. The carer stated that the grandmother "was so hungry".... If the grandmother had been refusing to eat, that would have suggested her complicity in her own demise; instead, it sounds like she was cleaning her plate and asking for more, which suggests something completely different. The granddaughter's last statement (before she was cut off) implies Grandma's wishes weren't consistent. Bottom line, the granddaughter used their religion to "fill in the blanks" and should be held responsible... She should take the two years.
I would argue that dying of starvation is a way no one wants to go. So cleaning the plate is more of a pleasure/fear thing than a sign of wanting to live.
It’s one of the most painful because it’s one of the most repairable. You starve and starve, all the while knowing there’s a grocery store right across the street. It’s like going on a diet. It’s hard because the “pain” can be stopped right there just if you take a bite of that pizza.
The maid knew the grandmother wasn't being given adequate food and water. She got fired for intervening by bringing the grandmother more to eat and drink and getting caught by the granddaughter.
the problem was that the maid was only interviewed but was not able to testify in court or presented a written affidavit to support the prosecutor's argument
Michael Moriarty is, unless something changed recently, in self imposed exile in Canada because he thought then-Attorney General Janet Reno was coming to get him because he said she was trying to censor L&O. That's an exaggeration, but that's the gist of why he left (conspiracy theory). Notice, executive producer Dick Wolf didn't agree with Moriarty, and this show was his baby. If Reno really was out to muzzle the show (which would be a slam dunk First Amendment case), Wolf would have made much more noise.
@@ajvanmarle the maid was actually deported because the granddaughter called ins on her before the police knew about the grandmas alleged “suicidal ideations”. So not a case of racism
2 years was very lenient for her, even if she truly believed she hadn't done anything wrong. Considering the amount of lying and all the other evidence I would have at least gone 3-4.
None of what the granddaughter says makes sense. If her grandmother really wanted to die, she wouldn't of eaten the extra food the caretaker was giving her. That said, this was really murder, not assisted suicide. The poor woman was starved to death on purpose. If the grandmother really wanted to die, I doubt she would have wanted to have it happen in such an agonizing, painful way. When you are in a lot of physical or emotional pain, you certainly won't be asking for more of either one...
Deborah 78. Many people starve themselves when they are depressed! And if you watched the clip the grandmother asked the priest if it would be a sin to basically speed up the process of death without actually killing her self.
@@mariahmontgomery7423 ~ I saw the clip. But again, if the grandmother really wanted to die, she wouldn't have taken the extra food that the hispanic woman was giving her. Unfortunately, I've known people who have committed suicide, and none of them did it by starvation. If a person really wants to die, they do it as quickly, and painlessly as possible. The grandmother was in turmoil about her life, and I doubt she was sure of anything...
I happen to agree but then catholics.. It's different I guess, suicide is indeed an unforgivable sin, also and I don't want to stir up controversy, but suffering is a big part of catholicism, it's not something practicing catholics believe to be negotiable or avoidable
@@shanafehr ~ It's kind of true for many religions though. Suffering I mean. Catholics don't have the corner on "that" market. But I understand what you're saying...
@@Deborahtunes That is why you need the assistant. Asked anyone that has to go through severe diet. You don't want to eat but at the same time, sometimes it's so tough that you have to and always feel guilty about it after you ate :-(
"When she asked me why she should go on living, I couldn't give her an answer." Me: "Seriously?!" Because if she really cared, the only acceptable answer is "Because you're my grandmother, and I love you." As of September of last year, I lost my *last* grandparent. I loved my grandparents and step-grandparents, so the very idea of willfully doing something like this is like a knife in my heart!
My grandfather was abused while he was in hospice care. He was at his weakest and the facility staff took advantage. Makes me sick what people do to their family...
As someone who has been suicidal most of my life, that is a selfish goddamn response. If anyone ever said that to me it'd make things worse. I also worked in a nursing home and saw the pain people suffered through, some of whom you get to a point you wish for death to take them every night because of how much they're suffering. People who can't walk, think, eat; people who do nothing but lay in bed all day and scream in pain and shit themselves. That life is awful; it's not living anymore just a soul trapped in a broken meat suit. Responding like that to someone who has lived a full life and is suffering is selfish and cruel. Her body, her life, her choice is valid. Just because it sucks for you that doesn't make it ok. How the fuck do you think she'd feel living in that state every damn day just to make YOU happy while SHE suffered.
@@jadescapade6573 I'm not saying she should have just gone on living, I was reacting to the fact the granddaughter couldn't think of *anything* to say to her in response. Her not giving *any* kind of meaningful response just seems so much worse.
@@Bojack727 Sometimes there just isn't anything .. what would YOU have told that old lady? Can you think of anything that woman had to live for that was for herself, and not just "because I love you and I don't want you to die"? She was old and had lived her life, that's just something that I believe is hard to understand for us until we get there ourselves.
By the end of this episode they knew that that granddaughter murdered her Grandmother because she needed a lot of more money for her education, so she starved Granny for her inheritance. She went to prison for 25 years. End of show.
The state kindly gave her a bijou apartment for 2 years. And lovely new friends with similar interests. I hope she did not get the apartment on release.
@@RonJohn63 im assuming you're talking about the phrase 'believe women'. That doesnt mean you have to believe all women. It literally just means dont dismiss their words when they say they were sexually assaulted because it's hard to hear. Which is a common issue. The straw man argument of 'ha see! Women lie!' Is ridiculous.
@@ellielindsay8507 there's nothing in "believe women" which in any way shape or form means "believe *some* women *some* of the time". Believe Women means exactly that: believe women. Just like how "defund the police" means what it says: defund the police. www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
Actually it doesn't say in the Bible that suicide can't be forgiven. All sins can be forgiven (including murder), except for one, which is "blaspheming the Holy Spirit," which some interpret as not not believing in God, or the Trinity, in Christianity's case.
No matter if the grandmother was serious about suicide or not, I would have always erred on the side of caution and brought her to the hospital. It's hard to believe anything the granddaughter says.
That priest is pretty awful. I hate the suicide argument by some priests whenever someone dies by suicide especially when its the consequence of illness. Its literally a potential symptoms of some mental illnesses. Yet when someone is dead from another illness its no questions asked
To get forgiveness you have to be truly sorry for what you've done ask God to forgive you and also forgive yourself. How can u do all that if u kill yourself.
@@miekaash6831 It's the worse sin because it is a sin against god. All the others are sins against humans. To believers that makes sense. To non-believers like me, it's ridiculous and horrific and irrational and inhumane. Btw two of your sins are commandments, so those are proscribed. But raping children didn't make the "Top 10" - I guess "don't take things" and "don't lie" were more important.
I have no idea what priests in the US are thinking. Here in Ireland it happens and there's no problem on the priests side. Sadly,suicide is on the rise and from sad personal experience,I can say that I've never heard of someone being refused by a priest for a burial. I'm not talking about years and years ago but only from my own experience,so since the 1970's. I'm not a practicing Catholic but I do acknowledge that a burial is important for the families of tragic loss.
I guess the mark of a good drama is being able to stir so many emotions and responses from an audience. These comments read as if this was a true story , it isn’t . Proves why this show was so popular.
If the grandmother wanted to die, you'd think she'd want to go peacefully in her sleep. That's often how most elderly people who are tired of living go out, either with Dr assistance (if terminally ill), with help from friends/family, or by themselves. Not starving to death. Which is one of the most slow and painful ways to go. Depression in elderly people is not uncommon, but most cases don't involve them committing suicide on their own. It's either assisted suicide (which would still be a whole legal thing) or assistance from medical personnel. If she really did want to die and wanted the granddaughters help, you'd think she'd leave a signed note or something. Assisted suicide is complicated.
I took in my aunt who had Alzheimer’s. She refused to eat at times but me and my parents made her. There is no excuse for allowing someone to starve to death because “they wanted to die”. That’s the fastest way to get into jail
This is why it's vitally important that everyone has an "end of life" statement written out and notarized WHEN THEY'RE STILL MENTALLY AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING!! People who want their lives to be over after a certain point -- when their health is deteriorating, their minds are going or they're in uncontrollable pain with no hope of recovery -- need to have their preferences and wishes recorded and signed in advance. I have a Do Not Resuscitate form signed by my doctor and instructions for withholding food and invasive medical care in my medical files, and carry a copy of that form with me. I've seen what happens when relatives are determined to keep someone alive and force doctors to comply with their wishes. It's ugly, and not how anyone would choose to live out their final weeks or months.
They putting the emotional music, completelly ignoring the fact that this girl tried to frame and deport an innocent woman, is sending me. Like, she didn't have to do all of this, she could've just said her grandma refused to eat, and she didn't want to upset her
The thing with the grandma… if she was adamant about wanting to die, the hospital would have been the place to go. Yes, agree to pain management but she could always label herself as DNR if she were to have a heart attack or something like that. Then she could go on her own terms. Maybe?
1:20 That phone record should have come up in discovery, not as a surprise piece of evidence to sandbag the defense. This is a great way for Stone to allow the heiress to walk on appeal.
If the girl wasn’t lying, I can understand her position. It’s hard when someone just gives up. I think this is why we need to be more open about end of life care in the US. A patient can get palliative treatment.
I think this is up there with the worst lie I have ever seen on L&O. It doesn’t make any sense on any level. She lied for ages and blamed it all on a poor immigrant who did absolutely nothing but care.
You felt guilty that you didn't argue hard enough, so you get the maid deported? That's absolute nonsense! I'll tell you what you do. If someone's starving themselves and won't seek medical attention, you sue them for incompetence and take control to force them to. You don't just stand there and watch them starve.
I'm 74 and when my time comes I will ask God to let me go Gently And I understand completely how someone Could need a bit of help And I pray someone will help me if I need
I don't know what to think, honestly. The granddaughter is sus but also how do you starve someone to death long distance? The grandma spent most of her time alone or with the caregiver. At any time she could have called for help or told the caregiver what was happening. Why didn't she seek help if she was really being starved? Why did she ask the priest if starving herself would be suicide? Why did she buy a burial plot? She was obviously lucid enough to make transactions, she would've known what was happening to her.
Many seniors don't want to "make trouble", first of all, including calling a doctor, etc. Second, many people of that age group buy burial plots before they need them.
My great aunt did the same thing as Mildred Bower back in 2017. She had dementia, had lost her husband and both her sons, and had pushed most everyone else away. It was a slow, painful end for her and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy, Catholicism, especially traditional Catholicism, is very fucked
When you starve your body starts to become weak, and it hurts so bad. You start being less hungry. When that happens your organs start to shut down. It's the worst thing to imagine
7:30 "I'd do two years in Attica happily if I walked out at 25". Is he aware of prison conditions? If you're lucky enough to survive two years and make it out, will you ever overcome what prison did to you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually? As for the plot, I think it's ridiculous that she hid the "suicide" to save her grandmother's rep, and instead go on trial for murder. But to me what may have been the bigger crime is trying to deport someone so they wouldn't testify.
For everyone saying that if the grandma wanted to die she wouldn’t have chosen starvation, I think that the conversation she had with the priest gives an explanation to that. I am not saying this is cut and dry. There is a lot of gray here. Even if she didn’t starve herself or not, it was revealed that she was anyway in a lot of pain constantly. I don’t think we can begin to understand such a situation without actually experiencing it.
When my mother was getting older, and had lots of little strokes, she began to lose parts of her memory. Medical personnel began suggesting that I lie to her. I told them I never,lied to my mother and wasn't about to start, even if it would make things easier for me. When she thought her pets were still alive and waiting for her at home I didn't tell her the truth. Thus later, when she remembered that they had passed on, I didn't feel like a monster for lying to her, and she was not confused by my lies.
The g-daughter did it. She started to stray into a questionable area when she said “she was very clear about what she wanted and then sometimes…”. That’s when her lawyer put her hand over her client’s hands and said, “We’ve taken the deal.” as Stone is inquiring, “And then sometimes?” The g-daughter’s lawyer knew her client had starved her grandmother and kept her from doctor appointments to conceal her g-mother’s condition.
okay y'all hear me out- if the grandmother was STILL supposed to be on the low protein/water diet, she may have been asking for more food to PURPOSELY aggravate the pneumonia- and when that didn't work she decided to do the opposite
@@alexisdiva9 I don't think a felony conviction with sentence served would prevent acceptance to law school. In fact, if she is motivated, she could complete a lot of her college course work while in prison, making it easy to complete law school once released. The issue is whether any prestigious law firm would HIRE her with a felony murder record.
This was a Good one Jerry Orbach had me hollerin w line about his old father paranoid thought his Mom was poisoning him n flush food and was eating bird seeds 😂😂😂😂😂😂 he said if I ever drift that far please take my gun n blow my brains out!! Still Lmao 😂 and the upright Irish Catholic bf grandma thought she was dating n had blk dude stashed in bedroom he said Blk Irish! 😂😂😂 he had some gems God bless n rest his soul!!
I’ve worked with people who are near the end of their life. The whole ‘she could’ve used the phone’ is BS. She likely would’ve been so delusional she wouldn’t have known it was there. Also, the little details like moving the food around to look like it was more suggests intention to kill. I think she was lying and deliberately killed her, likely cause she was getting so caught up in her lies and she didn’t want to be caught.
It wasn't made clear in this clip, but the daughter left notes for the caretaker to severely restrict her grandmother's intake of food and water. Here she is saying she tried to get her grandmother to eat more. I call B.S. She got off easy.
I know this is a tv show but this kind of thing happens in real life how can anyone be evil and starve their family member to death it's disgusting and disturbing.
People who abuse/neglect the elderly, children, the disabled and animals are so fucked up. It’s wrong either way but those types of cases really are insane
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I bet this is more complicated than the information they have!
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I can't correct or make anymore playlists or complaint reports!
I support medical institutions and assisted suicide. In certain lifelong and terminal circumstances, people having the right to die in their own terms is most humane and dignified way to depart. I realise this isn't really an option for those who are deeply religious but everyone should still have that option if they so choose.
Is it bad I don't believe what the granddaughter is saying? The tone she has shows she's trying to lie her way and knew she did the crime of starving her grandmother. The caretaker was worried and made sure that old woman was fed. I think the granddaughter starved her grandmother so she can take the apartment or any fortune Mildred owned. Greed can make people do unthinkable things that soon come to regret.
Actually most if the time for Catholics suicide is considered an action of mental illness or a part of an altered state in which one is not responsible for one's own actions. However the careful planning and execution of one's own death like we would see in this case would be considered a thought out killing. This would be against the commanment of killing or the more direct translation of not committing murder even if one is murdering themselves.
A good reason to keep religion away from the important aspects of life. It should be a tool to help with life. Life should not be the tool to satisfy religion. If belief and faith is all it takes, why beleive suicide is a sin? Why would you suffer in your old age if hell exists? Is the suffering during life not a punishment? Is it only so in hell? That's what this story ends up being! Not an old lady dying and her granddaughter possibly letting her die, but where she is being buried and whether she goes to hell! WTF! This is so absurd! People are so adamant about refusing to change to help out the environment a little, but suicide is a sin!
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I don't believe the granddaughter at all. Even if Mildred had thought about committing suicide, ultimately she didn't. Nor does the granddaughter knowing her grandmother had suicidal thoughts change the fact that the granddaughter was the one restricting Mildred's food and thereby causing her death. It could be framed as a mercy killing but not assisted suicide, especially since the granddaughter implies that Mildred wasn't always certain that she wanted to die.
Getting us so intrigued that we think about it. That's what makes this such a great drama.
And even then, what kind of fucking mercy kill is _starvation_?
I'd soon take a firing squad than starve to death, at least it'd be over quick
Starving to death is agonizing. Ibdont believe her this was a mercy killing. She could have done sleeping pill overdose or something else less torturous.
@@sumoni She wanted to be buried in holy ground, remember?
I kinda believe her because my grandma refused to eat at all after my grandpa died, she just didn’t wanna try anymore. I tried so hard to get her to eat it wasn’t until she fell down and went to the hospital that she finally got some help and started eating again.
If the grandmother wanted to die, by starving to death, she wouldn't eat regardless of having food given to her, so if she really wanted to die, particularly by starving to death, the granddaughter wouldn't need to leave instructions to the caretaker to not give the grandmother food
Literally! Old people when they’re near the end often stop eating themselves as well when they’re ready, my grandmother did that, she’d have a couple bites and feed the rest to the dog in secret. Everyone knew it was her time and that was her choice, but food kept being served to her in case she decided she wanted it.
and wouldn't have tried to solve her problems the karen way by attempting to deport the lady.
Yep. The granddaughter is full of sh*t
But according to the priest, not eating and so die was a mortal sin.
The part I'm not sure about is the strict denying of extra food the carer tried to give. It should have been the grandmother's choice, each time, if she refused extra food. She could have said 'no' each time.
There's one fact that isn't followed up on clearly. The carer stated that the grandmother "was so hungry".... If the grandmother had been refusing to eat, that would have suggested her complicity in her own demise; instead, it sounds like she was cleaning her plate and asking for more, which suggests something completely different. The granddaughter's last statement (before she was cut off) implies Grandma's wishes weren't consistent. Bottom line, the granddaughter used their religion to "fill in the blanks" and should be held responsible... She should take the two years.
I would argue that dying of starvation is a way no one wants to go. So cleaning the plate is more of a pleasure/fear thing than a sign of wanting to live.
@@fluidapple9091 That possibility doesn't justify the granddaughter removing any opportunity for the grandmother to have more food.
What about the water? We can live longer without food than water, and everyone gets thirsty.
@James Horton Hey, thanks for cluing everyone in to what they already know.
nobody wants to die by starving to death, its arguably one of the most painful ways to die
it might be THE most painful way to die...
It’s one of the most painful because it’s one of the most repairable. You starve and starve, all the while knowing there’s a grocery store right across the street. It’s like going on a diet. It’s hard because the “pain” can be stopped right there just if you take a bite of that pizza.
Yea my thoughts exactly
@Kenneth Saint no
@Kenneth Saint it’s a scam and virus
The maid knew the grandmother wasn't being given adequate food and water. She got fired for intervening by bringing the grandmother more to eat and drink and getting caught by the granddaughter.
2:21 This contradicts what the maid said. The maid had said the grandma was still so hungry after eating and wanted more, so the maid gave her more.
Which means the maid was telling truth, and the granddaughter was lying.
@@Tarotlynx or that the grandmom was ambiguous and very hungry, its hard to starve yourself hence the binge purge cycles og anorexic/bulemic
the problem was that the maid was only interviewed but was not able to testify in court or presented a written affidavit to support the prosecutor's argument
@@thomas261989 she testified in court
I wish Micheal Moriarty had stayed longer on the show he was great.
Shows become stale when people stay too long.
I agree. Ben Stone was one of my favorite characters.
Garry Forbes maybe he was just breaking balls
Michael Moriarty is, unless something changed recently, in self imposed exile in Canada because he thought then-Attorney General Janet Reno was coming to get him because he said she was trying to censor L&O. That's an exaggeration, but that's the gist of why he left (conspiracy theory). Notice, executive producer Dick Wolf didn't agree with Moriarty, and this show was his baby. If Reno really was out to muzzle the show (which would be a slam dunk First Amendment case), Wolf would have made much more noise.
I love Ben Stone and this actor how incredible is he, so believable.
If the grandmother wanted to die, the live-in maid should have known. The police should have asked her about it.
Please, as though the NYPD will ever interact with anyone Hispanic other than to either arrest them or shoot them.
@@ajvanmarle the maid was actually deported because the granddaughter called ins on her before the police knew about the grandmas alleged “suicidal ideations”. So not a case of racism
They did, you idiot!
2 years was very lenient for her, even if she truly believed she hadn't done anything wrong. Considering the amount of lying and all the other evidence I would have at least gone 3-4.
But she's young, white, pretty, rich, and female.
Also reporting the carer to ICE,,,,
None of what the granddaughter says makes sense. If her grandmother really wanted to die, she wouldn't of eaten the extra food the caretaker was giving her.
That said, this was really murder, not assisted suicide. The poor woman was starved to death on purpose. If the grandmother really wanted to die, I doubt she would have wanted to have it happen in such an agonizing, painful way.
When you are in a lot of physical or emotional pain, you certainly won't be asking for more of either one...
Deborah 78. Many people starve themselves when they are depressed! And if you watched the clip the grandmother asked the priest if it would be a sin to basically speed up the process of death without actually killing her self.
@@mariahmontgomery7423 ~ I saw the clip. But again, if the grandmother really wanted to die, she wouldn't have taken the extra food that the hispanic woman was giving her. Unfortunately, I've known people who have committed suicide, and none of them did it by starvation. If a person really wants to die, they do it as quickly, and painlessly as possible. The grandmother was in turmoil about her life, and I doubt she was sure of anything...
I happen to agree but then catholics.. It's different I guess, suicide is indeed an unforgivable sin, also and I don't want to stir up controversy, but suffering is a big part of catholicism, it's not something practicing catholics believe to be negotiable or avoidable
@@shanafehr ~ It's kind of true for many religions though. Suffering I mean. Catholics don't have the corner on "that" market. But I understand what you're saying...
@@Deborahtunes That is why you need the assistant. Asked anyone that has to go through severe diet. You don't want to eat but at the same time, sometimes it's so tough that you have to and always feel guilty about it after you ate :-(
Thank you for not cutting off the ending
"When she asked me why she should go on living, I couldn't give her an answer."
Me: "Seriously?!" Because if she really cared, the only acceptable answer is "Because you're my grandmother, and I love you." As of September of last year, I lost my *last* grandparent. I loved my grandparents and step-grandparents, so the very idea of willfully doing something like this is like a knife in my heart!
This is episode that talks about euthanisia,so it depends on the person
My grandfather was abused while he was in hospice care. He was at his weakest and the facility staff took advantage. Makes me sick what people do to their family...
As someone who has been suicidal most of my life, that is a selfish goddamn response. If anyone ever said that to me it'd make things worse. I also worked in a nursing home and saw the pain people suffered through, some of whom you get to a point you wish for death to take them every night because of how much they're suffering. People who can't walk, think, eat; people who do nothing but lay in bed all day and scream in pain and shit themselves. That life is awful; it's not living anymore just a soul trapped in a broken meat suit.
Responding like that to someone who has lived a full life and is suffering is selfish and cruel. Her body, her life, her choice is valid. Just because it sucks for you that doesn't make it ok. How the fuck do you think she'd feel living in that state every damn day just to make YOU happy while SHE suffered.
@@jadescapade6573 I'm not saying she should have just gone on living, I was reacting to the fact the granddaughter couldn't think of *anything* to say to her in response. Her not giving *any* kind of meaningful response just seems so much worse.
@@Bojack727 Sometimes there just isn't anything .. what would YOU have told that old lady? Can you think of anything that woman had to live for that was for herself, and not just "because I love you and I don't want you to die"? She was old and had lived her life, that's just something that I believe is hard to understand for us until we get there ourselves.
By the end of this episode they knew that that granddaughter murdered her Grandmother because she needed a lot of more money for her education, so she starved Granny for her inheritance. She went to prison for 25 years. End of show.
I knew it!
Um did you actually watch the clip, she plead to a lesser charge and got 2 years.
Why do you find the need to spoil the clip? 🤔😏
@@Fusion008a that was literally the end
@@Fusion008a Um did you actually watch the entire episode?
I don't believe the daughter. She wanted that apartment.
But you must believe everything women say.
RonJohn63 leave me outa this
The state kindly gave her a bijou apartment for 2 years. And lovely new friends with similar interests. I hope she did not get the apartment on release.
@@RonJohn63 im assuming you're talking about the phrase 'believe women'. That doesnt mean you have to believe all women. It literally just means dont dismiss their words when they say they were sexually assaulted because it's hard to hear. Which is a common issue.
The straw man argument of 'ha see! Women lie!' Is ridiculous.
@@ellielindsay8507 there's nothing in "believe women" which in any way shape or form means "believe *some* women *some* of the time". Believe Women means exactly that: believe women.
Just like how "defund the police" means what it says: defund the police. www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
I can’t imagine doing something like this to my grandfather. I loved that man like my own father having grown up without one.
You have a conscience….I truly think that granddaughter did not
“Suicide is the only sin that can’t be forgiven.”
And murder is?
Actually it doesn't say in the Bible that suicide can't be forgiven. All sins can be forgiven (including murder), except for one, which is "blaspheming the Holy Spirit," which some interpret as not not believing in God, or the Trinity, in Christianity's case.
@@geoculus5606 nods.. also depends on denomiation n version of the bible.. in this case Roman Catholic..
I think she means you literally cannot confess or repent if you are dead.
@@geoculus5606 droping knowledge... That interpretation of blasphemy against the spirit is right...
Religion and all of its many followers cherry picking and interpreting things to have different meanings.
No matter if the grandmother was serious about suicide or not, I would have always erred on the side of caution and brought her to the hospital. It's hard to believe anything the granddaughter says.
I don't think I ever caught Schiff's line until now: "I'd do 2 years in prison to come out 25"! LOL
This is why you should NEVER EVER reveal to ANYONE what is in a will. They can use it against you. I don’t even have a will and I know this.
this granddaughter is guilt-tripping left and right.
i hate her shes so selfish jesus
That priest is pretty awful. I hate the suicide argument by some priests whenever someone dies by suicide especially when its the consequence of illness. Its literally a potential symptoms of some mental illnesses. Yet when someone is dead from another illness its no questions asked
To get forgiveness you have to be truly sorry for what you've done ask God to forgive you and also forgive yourself. How can u do all that if u kill yourself.
@@miekaash6831 It's the worse sin because it is a sin against god. All the others are sins against humans. To believers that makes sense. To non-believers like me, it's ridiculous and horrific and irrational and inhumane. Btw two of your sins are commandments, so those are proscribed. But raping children didn't make the "Top 10" - I guess "don't take things" and "don't lie" were more important.
I have no idea what priests in the US are thinking. Here in Ireland it happens and there's no problem on the priests side. Sadly,suicide is on the rise and from sad personal experience,I can say that I've never heard of someone being refused by a priest for a burial. I'm not talking about years and years ago but only from my own experience,so since the 1970's. I'm not a practicing Catholic but I do acknowledge that a burial is important for the families of tragic loss.
smiles softly.. the technicalities of the Roman Catholic church..
Uhh since when? It seems you're jumping to conclusions without considering the reasons. How is the Priest awful? He buried her, you moron
0:28 Stone barely opens his mouth but gets a whole sentence out
Truly a talented man
shawn murray maybe he was just breaking balls
If she wanted to die why would you limit the food? Water? Or the extra food? if granny wouldn’t eat ?
If the old lady wanted to die I'm pretty sure that she'd tell the caretaker too
I guess the mark of a good drama is being able to stir so many emotions and responses from an audience. These comments read as if this was a true story , it isn’t . Proves why this show was so popular.
well .. L&O is a scripted TV show, but based in TRUE facts that happened in real life
I wonder what she was going to say about her grandmother had the lawyer not stopped her at the end. What happened other times? 🤔
"other times..." yikes, she killed her.
If the grandmother wanted to die, you'd think she'd want to go peacefully in her sleep. That's often how most elderly people who are tired of living go out, either with Dr assistance (if terminally ill), with help from friends/family, or by themselves.
Not starving to death. Which is one of the most slow and painful ways to go.
Depression in elderly people is not uncommon, but most cases don't involve them committing suicide on their own. It's either assisted suicide (which would still be a whole legal thing) or assistance from medical personnel.
If she really did want to die and wanted the granddaughters help, you'd think she'd leave a signed note or something. Assisted suicide is complicated.
regarldess of whether the grandmother wanted to die, its pretty horrid that she tried to get the maid deported. she wouldve ruined her life.
Faith has its virtues for some, but misery for all living in contact, to extremes with it.
Lawyers can’t just spring new evidence while a trial is in session, the defense needs to be aware of it ahead of time so they can prepare
Easy appeal win lol
Thank you. I was saying this to myself too. I'm not into law but LegalEagle has ruined a lot of trials on television for me lol.
@@joshualoreto3025 Yep. He's the reason I knew that new evidence bit was not accurate.
They can if they know it will change the outcome .. DUH
Evidence is always admissable during trial, the opposing side just has to have notice so they can prepare.
My favorite character was always adam schiff. He was cunning and knowledgable and such an awesome actor
"I'd do two years in Attica happily if I walked out 25.". Adam was such a card.
Stephen Hill once said he had the easy job on the show. All he had to do each episode was to sit in his office, drink scotch and be sarcastic.
ha ha .. that's assuming you survive
Well, look what happened. Now he's a congressman and he looks 30 years younger than in this clip
I think these would be better if shown as full episodes. This was a really good show.
Probably to avoid copyright strikes, and YT is notoriously bad in that regard, relying on an automated system that's easily abused.
Reminds me of those people that kill their spouses because divorce is too grave a sin ..but murder is alright ..yup ..
I gotta tell ya, the editor on these supercuts is great.
Thank you for posting this follow up.
I don't believe the granddaughter.
I took in my aunt who had Alzheimer’s. She refused to eat at times but me and my parents made her. There is no excuse for allowing someone to starve to death because “they wanted to die”. That’s the fastest way to get into jail
This is why it's vitally important that everyone has an "end of life" statement written out and notarized WHEN THEY'RE STILL MENTALLY AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING!!
People who want their lives to be over after a certain point -- when their health is deteriorating, their minds are going or they're in uncontrollable pain with no hope of recovery -- need to have their preferences and wishes recorded and signed in advance. I have a Do Not Resuscitate form signed by my doctor and instructions for withholding food and invasive medical care in my medical files, and carry a copy of that form with me. I've seen what happens when relatives are determined to keep someone alive and force doctors to comply with their wishes.
It's ugly, and not how anyone would choose to live out their final weeks or months.
They putting the emotional music, completelly ignoring the fact that this girl tried to frame and deport an innocent woman, is sending me. Like, she didn't have to do all of this, she could've just said her grandma refused to eat, and she didn't want to upset her
“Other times…” ah those two little words. They said so so much.
This girl is wicked I gave everything to cared for my grandmother until she passed away
The thing with the grandma… if she was adamant about wanting to die, the hospital would have been the place to go. Yes, agree to pain management but she could always label herself as DNR if she were to have a heart attack or something like that. Then she could go on her own terms. Maybe?
1:20 That phone record should have come up in discovery, not as a surprise piece of evidence to sandbag the defense. This is a great way for Stone to allow the heiress to walk on appeal.
If the girl wasn’t lying, I can understand her position. It’s hard when someone just gives up. I think this is why we need to be more open about end of life care in the US. A patient can get palliative treatment.
At some point life and pain become synonymous. Not even the largest joy can make the pain of living worth going through at that point.
I think this is up there with the worst lie I have ever seen on L&O. It doesn’t make any sense on any level.
She lied for ages and blamed it all on a poor immigrant who did absolutely nothing but care.
You felt guilty that you didn't argue hard enough, so you get the maid deported? That's absolute nonsense! I'll tell you what you do. If someone's starving themselves and won't seek medical attention, you sue them for incompetence and take control to force them to. You don't just stand there and watch them starve.
So as her granddaughter she couldn't give her grandmother the comfort and saying she had a family that wanted her to live for? Oh my God.
6:21 Adam is pretty much on point here.
I'm 74 and when my time comes I will ask God to let me go Gently And I understand completely how someone Could need a bit of help And I pray someone will help me if I need
I love my Memere very much ❤ The thought of anyone starving their grandmothers to death makes me sick with rage! 🤬
I don't know what to think, honestly. The granddaughter is sus but also how do you starve someone to death long distance? The grandma spent most of her time alone or with the caregiver. At any time she could have called for help or told the caregiver what was happening. Why didn't she seek help if she was really being starved? Why did she ask the priest if starving herself would be suicide? Why did she buy a burial plot? She was obviously lucid enough to make transactions, she would've known what was happening to her.
Many seniors don't want to "make trouble", first of all, including calling a doctor, etc. Second, many people of that age group buy burial plots before they need them.
My great aunt did the same thing as Mildred Bower back in 2017. She had dementia, had lost her husband and both her sons, and had pushed most everyone else away. It was a slow, painful end for her and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy, Catholicism, especially traditional Catholicism, is very fucked
yep .. based on mythology
If she wanted to end her suffering why did she kill her in such a painful way...
Weakness to commit? Maybe this way she felt she had some separation to it. “I didn’t kill her the lack of food did that.” Pretty twisted person.
There you are, 2 years ago I bought a cemetery plot,wake up 1 morning I'm depressed, skip lunch, ur gonna lock me in a room and starve me
When you starve your body starts to become weak, and it hurts so bad. You start being less hungry. When that happens your organs start to shut down. It's the worst thing to imagine
7:30 "I'd do two years in Attica happily if I walked out at 25". Is he aware of prison conditions? If you're lucky enough to survive two years and make it out, will you ever overcome what prison did to you physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually? As for the plot, I think it's ridiculous that she hid the "suicide" to save her grandmother's rep, and instead go on trial for murder. But to me what may have been the bigger crime is trying to deport someone so they wouldn't testify.
I have an art teacher who talks like Stone🥳
For everyone saying that if the grandma wanted to die she wouldn’t have chosen starvation, I think that the conversation she had with the priest gives an explanation to that.
I am not saying this is cut and dry. There is a lot of gray here. Even if she didn’t starve herself or not, it was revealed that she was anyway in a lot of pain constantly. I don’t think we can begin to understand such a situation without actually experiencing it.
Apostasy is the only sin that's not forgiven.
She murder her grandmother and frame the grandmother nanny
When my mother was getting older, and had lots of little strokes, she began to lose parts of her memory. Medical personnel began suggesting that I lie to her. I told them I never,lied to my mother and wasn't about to start, even if it would make things easier for me. When she thought her pets were still alive and waiting for her at home I didn't tell her the truth. Thus later, when she remembered that they had passed on, I didn't feel like a monster for lying to her, and she was not confused by my lies.
You can't be forgiven for lying if you're not sorry...
Best comment by Adam Schiff at the end -- "I'd do two years in Attica happily if I [could] walk out at 25 [years old]"
I once did a play with the woman playing the judge. Funny lady.
This is what happened to Mom. Life imitating art.
Never trust someone who cant pronounce Empanada
This is about 40 years out of date. The Catholic Church hasn’t forbidden funeral masses and standard catholic funerals for most of my life.
27 actually
It was filmed in 1993
What's the point of watching when the episodes aren't available to stream.
You know why they denied the grandmother food and water? Because then there is less clean up for bowel movements and urination.
This theme makes me imagine Ted adding words
What episode is the next please thanks
The g-daughter did it. She started to stray into a questionable area when she said “she was very clear about what she wanted and then sometimes…”. That’s when her lawyer put her hand over her client’s hands and said, “We’ve taken the deal.” as Stone is inquiring, “And then sometimes?” The g-daughter’s lawyer knew her client had starved her grandmother and kept her from doctor appointments to conceal her g-mother’s condition.
DA Adam Sciff got a fantastic closing line!
It's Schiff. Adam Schiff.
The last statement was perfect except they cut it off - it was if i walked out 25 with my own apartment
okay y'all hear me out- if the grandmother was STILL supposed to be on the low protein/water diet, she may have been asking for more food to PURPOSELY aggravate the pneumonia- and when that didn't work she decided to do the opposite
*Is that SJP's sister?*
And instead of arguing harder I decide to tell the illegal caregiver to starve her with directions on exactly how
Awww the poor granddaughter -- she plead to 2 years in jail. She just lost the cozy Manhattan Rent-Controlled Apartment that she coveted.
Also wondered what repercussions this would have had on her ability to enter law school once she served her sentence?
@@alexisdiva9 I don't think a felony conviction with sentence served would prevent acceptance to law school. In fact, if she is motivated, she could complete a lot of her college course work while in prison, making it easy to complete law school once released. The issue is whether any prestigious law firm would HIRE her with a felony murder record.
Actually, it's the goddamned Daly City paramedics who refused to take my mother to the hospital!
I want a series based off of this priest/detective.
How do you ask for forgiveness after committing suicide ?
Great Gonzous In that case we can commit all the sins we want and then when God comes we ask Him for forgiveness .
You can't. Hence why you won't be forgiven
Good Scene!!! 💯
No one ever seems to get down in writing or recording the deceased person's wishes. How convenient.
Ah yes, the old highly illegal suprise evidence lol.
This was a Good one Jerry Orbach had me hollerin w line about his old father paranoid thought his Mom was poisoning him n flush food and was eating bird seeds 😂😂😂😂😂😂 he said if I ever drift that far please take my gun n blow my brains out!! Still Lmao 😂 and the upright Irish Catholic bf grandma thought she was dating n had blk dude stashed in bedroom he said Blk Irish! 😂😂😂 he had some gems God bless n rest his soul!!
None of this explains why she called ins on the maid. That is such a cold heartless thing to do no matter how she spins it.
I’ve worked with people who are near the end of their life. The whole ‘she could’ve used the phone’ is BS. She likely would’ve been so delusional she wouldn’t have known it was there. Also, the little details like moving the food around to look like it was more suggests intention to kill. I think she was lying and deliberately killed her, likely cause she was getting so caught up in her lies and she didn’t want to be caught.
"Suicide is the only sin that can't be forgiven."
Not true -- according to the Bible.
You can be forgiven of killing dozens of people…but not yourself. Gotta love religious logic.
It wasn't made clear in this clip, but the daughter left notes for the caretaker to severely restrict her grandmother's intake of food and water. Here she is saying she tried to get her grandmother to eat more.
I call B.S. She got off easy.
I know this is a tv show but this kind of thing happens in real life how can anyone be evil and starve their family member to death it's disgusting and disturbing.
People who abuse/neglect the elderly, children, the disabled and animals are so fucked up. It’s wrong either way but those types of cases really are insane
I bet this is more complicated than the information they have!
I can't correct or make anymore playlists or complaint reports!
I support medical institutions and assisted suicide. In certain lifelong and terminal circumstances, people having the right to die in their own terms is most humane and dignified way to depart. I realise this isn't really an option for those who are deeply religious but everyone should still have that option if they so choose.
Is it bad I don't believe what the granddaughter is saying? The tone she has shows she's trying to lie her way and knew she did the crime of starving her grandmother. The caretaker was worried and made sure that old woman was fed.
I think the granddaughter starved her grandmother so she can take the apartment or any fortune Mildred owned. Greed can make people do unthinkable things that soon come to regret.
Actually most if the time for Catholics suicide is considered an action of mental illness or a part of an altered state in which one is not responsible for one's own actions. However the careful planning and execution of one's own death like we would see in this case would be considered a thought out killing. This would be against the commanment of killing or the more direct translation of not committing murder even if one is murdering themselves.
I'd also do 2 years if I could walk out at 25...me and the DA think alike.
A good reason to keep religion away from the important aspects of life. It should be a tool to help with life. Life should not be the tool to satisfy religion. If belief and faith is all it takes, why beleive suicide is a sin? Why would you suffer in your old age if hell exists? Is the suffering during life not a punishment? Is it only so in hell? That's what this story ends up being! Not an old lady dying and her granddaughter possibly letting her die, but where she is being buried and whether she goes to hell! WTF! This is so absurd! People are so adamant about refusing to change to help out the environment a little, but suicide is a sin!