The new penetration mechanics were not kind to this autocannon. They feel like Garbage now :( . Let me know if you found weapons that were great before the update but now feel like shooting a nerf gun. Hope you still enjoy and as always hit that like button for me. o7
whirl didnt buff durable but only thing buff is hit panatrade. JBride you mistake about whirls. those mean to use close and medium range that why dmg reduction start 50 meter to 300 meter. you show us lies legs speed that took long enough telling true issue legs up still uphell slow down and bigfoots perk lie too. proof is blight cabin 300 meter per charge normal wheels only using bigfoots become 200 meter isntead. that 30% not 50% it should be 150 meter if perk true
its autocannon but the perk only work for CQC which is hard, it either get DeGunned first or it too slow for the turret to turn. dont forget terrible accuracy compared to whirlwind
I tried my argument nailgun builds after the last update... not that they were super incredible before, but maaaan... they seemed awful. I dunno... if you feel like doing that sort of video, I'd be interested to learn what you think. Thanks as always!
@@ologolos2501 god, in my 3 weeks play crossout, i never seen people use nail gun type weapon on entire match, patrol and raid. i tried itself on test drive but i feel like a slow shotgun that has longer range
Whirl's hitbox is larger than their visual model, thats why they don't feel like 500HP thing. Devs admitted that. They will rework the physical model at some point in the future.
honestly I think the whirls work better at a lower PS. I remember wrecking with triple whirl in the ~ 7500-7800 PS area. I also think the issue with whirls is they are out done by newer weapons like the Miller. Millers range is better, the damage is better, the durability is better. So what should they do? Whirls probably could use a 10% durability buff and maybe increase the range of the perk from 30m to 50m. So you actually get the damage bonus more often.
I just finished a match where I killed 4 people, and my team had zero kills, and they rarely help me but the enemy always has a friend to shoot me in the back and kill me, while my team ALWAYS fights somewhere else, even if I try to follow them and engage with them they leave me in a blink, to fight a few alone, and like I said the enemy ALWAYS has a friend come help.
@@JBRider Yep and that fascist Comrade Tiki, chat banned me for 10,000 days, for defending the real president of this country, against a dude using the words F*ck president Trump in public chat. The duded cursing in public chat kept right on going, but I got 10,000 day chat ban. I will get to meet Tiki before I leave this earth, and show him what a Fascist he truly is and remove it from him with a few other parts, while I am at it.
You sir are correct! The Thunderbolt shotgun, has 4 .25 bars of damage. The Rupture has 4 bars of damage. The thunderbolt does double the damage of the rupture, so I know for a fact they throw numbers out their with no meaning, and adjust things the way they see fit when ever they see fit.
I use whirls with oppressor + small tracks + torero. I think it's the way to go, but you have to try and stay over 80 km/h so small track's perk is active. It's pretty good, not amazing, but solid.
the only way to use the whirlies,is to make a brick build. The damage is great at close range,and if you learn how to groove around and dance with the enemy,the whirl brick can be a boss battle,even for shotgun builds.Shame that they got the tackler treatment (not gone,but forgotten)
I have the feeling that they messed up a lot of weapons, they didn't nerf, they just did a superficially complete update, as far as I've managed to play with both weapons so far, Tempest is much better than whirl, the penetration scale with weapons is simply not what it says except for scorp, as far as I can see the players are killed themselves in all that, on the market of weapons that are still good, their price has fallen to the ground, maybe the constant chasing of the meta is problem idk
interesting... Maybe terminator cabin, undermount whirls, bigfoots and stealth module? +60%dmg. Whirls dont do self dmg. On close range that is a plus for autocannons
Y’all are doing it wrong, try 3 whirls with ermak, purple rad, boot strap genny, and oppressor engine with APC tires. You can get an 8999 whirl build with 4K Hp and smash through any choke point.
9:16 tbh that build is complete garbage xD Whirls are big, so they need proper armor, not sticking out like this! especially when using Omnis they could be covered all around... using 6 Omnis without an engine is also rough and just increases PS way too much. Then I also think Whirls like to have a Chameleon, so you can sneak up to enemies and be able to make use of their perk! They want an aggressive playstyle, rushing into a bunch of enemies and do as much damage as possible in a short period of time. They are not made for sniping and hiding cause their lack of accuracy. My "Wolfpack" Whirl build with Howl cab (I build almost two years ago) would easily rip this thing. And I feel like it became even stronger with the update... but again, aggressive playstlyle required!
Try 2whrils on the humpback to the frame covered around the 6200 to the 6500 pw range of course you have limited firing angles but I built one like this ,does pretty good the humpback perk helps with it's damage. But yeah from a distance ok but at 9000 pw too weak maybe they changed other weapons but I don't know they do come off super quick.
How do you know how to gauge what the speed is suppose to feel like, while also not trusting the devs numbers? Serious question because that seems like a contradiction.
When they first introduce a new item that will cost real money, they make it uber. The nerf comes when ever they feel sales have slowed enough, and people complain about getting one shoted or owned to much. I know I have been on teams that were all dead within the first 2 minutes 30 times in a row. It seems like the devs are willing to punish 8 people just to make one person suffer. There is power in the control of the MM
Whirl is my favorite weapyn in my gun collection becouse it has good parameteres and perk is very effective with right build especially in raids, whirl is underrated but very good just need a good car
those auto cannons are actually tough, the fist battle you literally was taking shot guns burst shots from that player, anything that would of had a durability of 300 below would of easily have gotten shot off. that are tough, it hard to notice when your always going up to the frontlines and taking a face full of dps.
Whirls with 528 durability and they were still getting stripped in seconds? glad I watched this video as I was considering buying whirls since I play a lot with Tempests, not sure if I will bother now, needs some kind of build that will protect the whirls really well, some players undermount them, you are right they are a brawling weapon and it looked like you were too far away at times to get decent damage but you can't get close if someone strips your weapons in a second, devs need a rethink on whirls
They’re fine. What’s not fine is how bad the build is, the guns are so openly exposed to damage it’s no surprise they fall off. Deserves another video with a better build.
Think the enemy range went from 60 to 65, easy raids whirls are good, but the damage they are doing is about 20 "dev" points lower than normal. I have to overhaul all my raid builds and I don't have a starting point without my whirls, even on pass through parts.
All the whirls have going for them is impact which will push opponents. Other than that, you can't hit anything and they don't feel as armored as they should be like you said.
The devs need to decide how they want the whirl to be used, because their stats don't make sense. Low accuracy and crappy damage, plus low durability and weapon rotation speed, makes them bad at short and long range. It's practically un-usable.
auto cannons pen and explode, but whirls are just bullet damage with horrible drop off. also omnis are just too slow, oppressor with sabaths or legs would have worked better
LMAO the whirls are just as good as they were what the heck are you saying? the builds you played basically had the guns in plain sight for everyone to destroy as they wish ... also you compare a hit dmg weapon with an explosive dmg weapon.....common dude you know better than that ps: the new added 100% penetration is Awesome ... just hit where it is juicy not the cab!!!
you are comparing a 15 energy setup (3 whirlwinds) to a 12 energy setup (3 whirls) which makes your test inaccurate. of course 3 whirlwinds would slap harder 🙂
When I first started playing, I made 3 whirlwinds, then the devs nerfed them 2 or 3 times till they are barely used by anyone anymore, that was about 7 years ago. Then right after that nerf I broke my but and made the spark and then the harvester melee. which the dev's nerfed, the day I got them. then some communist gm named comrade Tiki gave me 10,000 days of chat ban for defending President Trump, to all which has been proven innocent. It seems this company has not liked me very much since I started playing. Their are still 2600 days left It is like the commi scumbag sent me to a gulag like a typical communist tyrant. Not even with a tiny bit of power can these worms be trusted.
I don't know why they had a problem with me O never even played a a pvp game before this. It has soured me on them all and the people that won't help the team m8 next to them disgust me.
Bro, whirls have been garbage pretty much not long after your ermak brick last year. I didn't get the whirls till sometime after that video last year and they already felt pretty weak. the only good thing was all that armor around them from the build itself.
I think that old build worked because the ermak was super good, but with the slight nerf, they don't feel protected as much. Even tried the exact same build its just horrible now
Whirls were always overrated. i even have 3 fused ones that i barley ever touch but especially now. you cant use these for long range really. close range its great but you have to be in shotgun range sooo. medium range it can work but not very accurate. im not a fan of tap fire. and i dont think anything changed they have always been bad in my opinion, then why did i fuse 3 ? well damn good point, i was suckered into the hype and was dissapointed just like my hover grind rn. hovers builds only work if they are meta with everything FUSED oh and i thought fusing my whirls would make them better even if its slightly, not really lol whirlwinds were always better lol and you can sit long range and snipe so even more advantages oh and before ermak got a nerf whirl brick was kinda viable
The new penetration mechanics were not kind to this autocannon. They feel like Garbage now :( . Let me know if you found weapons that were great before the update but now feel like shooting a nerf gun. Hope you still enjoy and as always hit that like button for me. o7
whirl didnt buff durable but only thing buff is hit panatrade. JBride you mistake about whirls. those mean to use close and medium range that why dmg reduction start 50 meter to 300 meter.
you show us lies legs speed that took long enough telling true issue legs up still uphell slow down and bigfoots perk lie too. proof is blight cabin 300 meter per charge normal wheels only using bigfoots become 200 meter isntead. that 30% not 50% it should be 150 meter if perk true
its autocannon but the perk only work for CQC which is hard, it either get DeGunned first or it too slow for the turret to turn. dont forget terrible accuracy compared to whirlwind
I tried my argument nailgun builds after the last update... not that they were super incredible before, but maaaan... they seemed awful. I dunno... if you feel like doing that sort of video, I'd be interested to learn what you think. Thanks as always!
@@ologolos2501 god, in my 3 weeks play crossout, i never seen people use nail gun type weapon on entire match, patrol and raid. i tried itself on test drive but i feel like a slow shotgun that has longer range
Build u used wasn't showing whirls good side theres some low ps cars with ermak averter and double whirl and they kinda slap
Whirl's hitbox is larger than their visual model, thats why they don't feel like 500HP thing. Devs admitted that. They will rework the physical model at some point in the future.
This.
not sure what you are talking about, the wirl is much better than before in my opinion o.o
Ofc it has100% pen no canon have it
honestly I think the whirls work better at a lower PS. I remember wrecking with triple whirl in the ~ 7500-7800 PS area. I also think the issue with whirls is they are out done by newer weapons like the Miller. Millers range is better, the damage is better, the durability is better. So what should they do? Whirls probably could use a 10% durability buff and maybe increase the range of the perk from 30m to 50m. So you actually get the damage bonus more often.
I just finished a match where I killed 4 people, and my team had zero kills, and they rarely help me but the enemy always has a friend to shoot me in the back and kill me, while my team ALWAYS fights somewhere else, even if I try to follow them and engage with them they leave me in a blink, to fight a few alone, and like I said the enemy ALWAYS has a friend come help.
Yeah that's why most people group up just to have more fun fights. when i group up we can get like 30-0 wins in a row
@@JBRider Yep and that fascist
Comrade Tiki, chat banned me for 10,000 days, for defending the real president of this country, against a dude using the words F*ck president Trump in public chat. The duded cursing in public chat kept right on going, but I got 10,000 day chat ban. I will get to meet Tiki before I leave this earth, and show him what a Fascist he truly is and remove it from him with a few other parts, while I am at it.
You sir are correct! The Thunderbolt shotgun, has 4 .25 bars of damage. The Rupture has 4 bars of damage.
The thunderbolt does double the damage of the rupture, so I know for a fact they throw numbers out their with no meaning, and adjust things the way they see fit when ever they see fit.
I use whirls with oppressor + small tracks + torero.
I think it's the way to go, but you have to try and stay over 80 km/h so small track's perk is active.
It's pretty good, not amazing, but solid.
the only way to use the whirlies,is to make a brick build.
The damage is great at close range,and if you learn how to groove around and dance with the enemy,the whirl brick can be a boss battle,even for shotgun builds.Shame that they got the tackler treatment (not gone,but forgotten)
Rider i Love the C&C Themes in background
I have the feeling that they messed up a lot of weapons, they didn't nerf, they just did a superficially complete update, as far as I've managed to play with both weapons so far, Tempest is much better than whirl, the penetration scale with weapons is simply not what it says except for scorp, as far as I can see the players are killed themselves in all that, on the market of weapons that are still good, their price has fallen to the ground, maybe the constant chasing of the meta is problem idk
interesting... Maybe terminator cabin, undermount whirls, bigfoots and stealth module? +60%dmg. Whirls dont do self dmg. On close range that is a plus for autocannons
for omnis you need catalina/torero/kami/griffon/maybe beholder, colossus, and falcon. otherwise i dont even test drive the build
I scrapped my three fused Whirls a few days ago.
Yes, i also think that devs lies us.
Check omni, they still lose speed when u ride up to hill.
Y’all are doing it wrong, try 3 whirls with ermak, purple rad, boot strap genny, and oppressor engine with APC tires. You can get an 8999 whirl build with 4K Hp and smash through any choke point.
9:16 tbh that build is complete garbage xD
Whirls are big, so they need proper armor, not sticking out like this! especially when using Omnis they could be covered all around...
using 6 Omnis without an engine is also rough and just increases PS way too much. Then I also think Whirls like to have a Chameleon, so you can sneak up to enemies and be able to make use of their perk! They want an aggressive playstyle, rushing into a bunch of enemies and do as much damage as possible in a short period of time. They are not made for sniping and hiding cause their lack of accuracy.
My "Wolfpack" Whirl build with Howl cab (I build almost two years ago) would easily rip this thing. And I feel like it became even stronger with the update... but again, aggressive playstlyle required!
Gotta try em on a Humpback brick with an Aggressor engine and play close.
Try 2whrils on the humpback to the frame covered around the 6200 to the 6500 pw range of course you have limited firing angles but I built one like this ,does pretty good the humpback perk helps with it's damage. But yeah from a distance ok but at 9000 pw too weak maybe they changed other weapons but I don't know they do come off super quick.
How do you know how to gauge what the speed is suppose to feel like, while also not trusting the devs numbers? Serious question because that seems like a contradiction.
When they first introduce a new item that will cost real money, they make it uber. The nerf comes when ever they feel sales have slowed enough, and people complain about getting one shoted or owned to much.
I know I have been on teams that were all dead within the first 2 minutes 30 times in a row. It seems like the devs are willing to punish 8 people just to make one person suffer. There is power in the control of the MM
Still/whirl winds + Torero Cabin always slaps in my books
Damn i was kinda hoping the new damage mechanics made these bulky AC's slightly better.
Appreciate the honesty. 👍
Whirl is my favorite weapyn in my gun collection becouse it has good parameteres and perk is very effective with right build especially in raids, whirl is underrated but very good just need a good car
eagle does not work for omnis
Can you make video with tsunami cannon?
You need to run them on something stupidly durable. Three at a minimum with split triggers so you can offset the fire rate
That is why on mobile you can upgrade with batteries and plastic
you're not taking into consideration that whirlwinds have explosive damage, where whirls don't. You can't compare the two by numbers alone
those auto cannons are actually tough, the fist battle you literally was taking shot guns burst shots from that player, anything that would of had a durability of 300 below would of easily have gotten shot off.
that are tough, it hard to notice when your always going up to the frontlines and taking a face full of dps.
Whirls with 528 durability and they were still getting stripped in seconds? glad I watched this video as I was considering buying whirls since I play a lot with Tempests, not sure if I will bother now, needs some kind of build that will protect the whirls really well, some players undermount them, you are right they are a brawling weapon and it looked like you were too far away at times to get decent damage but you can't get close if someone strips your weapons in a second, devs need a rethink on whirls
i have them and use them occasionally just because i have them but they suck. i actually think the tempests are better.
Try it with the Howl cab, 2 Whirls and 2 Borers.
why borers?
@@that_guyfire7722 PS control. Translates to a better whirl experience imo.
They’re fine. What’s not fine is how bad the build is, the guns are so openly exposed to damage it’s no surprise they fall off.
Deserves another video with a better build.
i wish i could give you my build it has 3k hp and 3 whirls at 8500k ps and they dont fall off to fast
Think the enemy range went from 60 to 65, easy raids whirls are good, but the damage they are doing is about 20 "dev" points lower than normal. I have to overhaul all my raid builds and I don't have a starting point without my whirls, even on pass through parts.
Tempest don’t feel any better either, especially with significant less damage and firerate.
Feels like they have 128 lol
Same with the tempest, there is some durability bug 😂😂. But they are so bad.
All the whirls have going for them is impact which will push opponents. Other than that, you can't hit anything and they don't feel as armored as they should be like you said.
The devs need to decide how they want the whirl to be used, because their stats don't make sense.
Low accuracy and crappy damage, plus low durability and weapon rotation speed, makes them bad at short and long range. It's practically un-usable.
auto cannons pen and explode, but whirls are just bullet damage with horrible drop off. also omnis are just too slow, oppressor with sabaths or legs would have worked better
Not the best gun placement IMO taking the most of damage with your guns first is no good. maybe try put ermak brick on omnis :D
LMAO the whirls are just as good as they were what the heck are you saying? the builds you played basically had the guns in plain sight for everyone to destroy as they wish ... also you compare a hit dmg weapon with an explosive dmg weapon.....common dude you know better than that
ps: the new added 100% penetration is Awesome ... just hit where it is juicy not the cab!!!
You need to check out my whirl build!
you are comparing a 15 energy setup (3 whirlwinds) to a 12 energy setup (3 whirls) which makes your test inaccurate.
of course 3 whirlwinds would slap harder 🙂
Everyone using omnies now
When I first started playing, I made 3 whirlwinds, then the devs nerfed them 2 or 3 times till they are barely used by anyone anymore, that was about 7 years ago. Then right after that nerf I broke my but and made the spark and then the harvester melee. which the dev's nerfed, the day I got them. then some communist gm named comrade Tiki gave me 10,000 days of chat ban for defending President Trump, to all which has been proven innocent. It seems this company has not liked me very much since I started playing. Their are still 2600 days left It is like the commi scumbag sent me to a gulag like a typical communist tyrant. Not even with a tiny bit of power can these worms be trusted.
I don't know why they had a problem with me O never even played a a pvp game before this. It has soured me on them all and the people that won't help the team m8 next to them disgust me.
Bro, whirls have been garbage pretty much not long after your ermak brick last year. I didn't get the whirls till sometime after that video last year and they already felt pretty weak. the only good thing was all that armor around them from the build itself.
I think that old build worked because the ermak was super good, but with the slight nerf, they don't feel protected as much. Even tried the exact same build its just horrible now
look you don't have a team either. Every single time I get in a fight my team either leaves or ignores. I am hatin people
Whirls were always overrated. i even have 3 fused ones that i barley ever touch but especially now. you cant use these for long range really. close range its great but you have to be in shotgun range sooo. medium range it can work but not very accurate. im not a fan of tap fire.
and i dont think anything changed they have always been bad in my opinion, then why did i fuse 3 ? well damn good point, i was suckered into the hype and was dissapointed just like my hover grind rn. hovers builds only work if they are meta with everything FUSED
oh and i thought fusing my whirls would make them better even if its slightly, not really lol
whirlwinds were always better lol and you can sit long range and snipe so even more advantages
oh and before ermak got a nerf whirl brick was kinda viable
Sorry JB but that is a bad build you need a dog build with those.