Good point. I know that applies to stand locations too. The very few times I have hunted from stands someone else put up, I lost patience very quickly because I didn't know why that stand was even there. Hard to stick with it when you don't know why. Have a great day.
The WHY is so important for success! Nearly impossible to make adjustments and learn from mistakes if you don't understand the why. great video as always can't wait for the next!
💯 %. The one thing that has helped me immensely is shooting sitting down. Much more stable for me and accurate. While not always applicable, it sure does help me when I can. I practice both. Great tips Bill. 👊🏻🦌
Good point. Most people don't practice sitting down enough. I like to stand as much as possible when hunting especially on open ridges and places like that where you don't really know exactly where the deer will pass. Have a great day.
Great tip Bill. I knew about the bending at the waist towards your side part but never thought about if I was bending forward at all. Thanks for your explanation.
Read that tip from you many years ago and it helped me kill my biggest buck to date ( as well as a few others ) they were within 5 yds of the tree, as usual excellent info
Lots of people need to see this video. I don’t know how many shooters I’ve seen at TAC events and even local 3-d shoots that have no idea of how to keep their form shooting up or down. And this includes some that have been shooting for years.
Agreed. It seems that success always comes down to just doing the basics and the better we get at repeating them while practicing, the more they get ingrained and we automatically do them when actually performing for real. Have a great day.
I’ve also heard from several pros in order to get “over your hip” you should rotate your inside leg (left knee) in slightly, which helps keep you in line as you bend at the waist. I also don’t think shooters pay enough attention to the bubble level. I can remember back in the day not even having one on my sight. Invaluable for accuracy, especially at longer distances. Thanks Bill!
Good advice Steven. Thanks for sharing that. Like you, the first bubble level I ever had was one I glued on the sight myself. I could afford super cheap sights and I could afford a super cheap bubble level at the hardware store, but I couldn't afford a "fancy" sight that already had a bubble installed! Have a great day.
Leave it up Bill to point out and explain these intricate details that noone seems to have yet. I've heard very few guys actually explain in a clear way what is going on with these issues. Thanks Bill for working hard and putting helpful content out. Now I can actually wrap my head around these issues,understand them and either fix them or prevent them from happening. God bless!
Great tips you rarely hear people talk about in detail. Standing up vs sitting down during the shot is also something to consider. Every year I practice from the tree stand, all different angles & positions so I'm confident I'll make the shots I take.
Great advice. Practice is always the key but is very often overlooked from a stand, especially close shots that produce that really sharp downward angle that we so often struggle with. Have a great day.
Good episode Bill, but what if you don't have a level. Maybe you could mention how you can use the trees around you to cant the bow into correction. As a person who has won 39 NFAA state target championships in the bow hunter freestyle limited class, one of the best tips I got from an old timer was to compensate to the tree growth with the top limb to correct arrow flight, because the bow hunter class didn't allow levels.
That is a really good point. I know it can be really tough in mountainous terrain too, because the tendency is to try to align the bow 90-degrees with the ground (the way we practice at home) and that results in some bad shots. Once again, the bubble (or as you state - the trees) will keep your bow vertical through the shot. Have a great day.
@@bill-winke Another thing came to mind regarding a level Bill. You probably should have mentioned about leveling the bubble to the bowstring. Not all handle risers are flat, square and parallel. Alot of people take that for granted. I'm sure the new integrated Hoyt's and Matthews probably did, but not every new shooter can afford those bows. Love your videos, keep them coming.
Great info, Bill. It’s easy to get caught up in the adrenaline and forget the simple practices. I would like to see a video on your opinions of quality camera setups for beginners and to what you use now as an experienced videographer.
We have the run the gamut on camera style over the years. Started with SD Canon cameras and then graduated to 3 sensor 1/3 inch sensor HD cameras but they didn't do well enough in low light. I sprang for a 3 sensor 2/3 inch sensor Sony with a really good Fujinon lens. That thing was huge but did well in low light. We used that for many years, but eventually saw the advantages of the single sensor 1 inch sensor cameras and that is all we use now. There are several of them, but I have been using a Sony X70. It is not 4k but that is OK. It does well in low light, is portable and reasonably affordable. I had a few of them during the Midwest Whitetail days but I had to buy this one used from a friend since they don't make them anymore. Some guys are now using DSLRs for filming hunts, but I still struggle with that idea because you can't use a lens controller and as a result you will need to work zoom and focus with the same hand. That's too much for me and I don't recommend it for most people. Stick with a video camera and use good audio (wireless lapel mics) for most applications. I know there are some setups that are far more advanced (and far more expensive) but this setup has stood the test of time and works well for filming hunts. Good luck.
The second buck I shot this year I shot high. I did not bend at the waist and I had a shirt on like the one you have on and the collar got in the way of my anchor point. Both of these things caused me to shoot way high and I spined the deer. Luckily, I was able to get a second arrow in him before he got up and ran off. Thanks for the tip.
Glad it worked out. You bring up a good point that many of us neglect and that is practicing in the same exact clothing we plan to wear when hunting. Have a great day.
@@bill-winke Well no, I meant 2nd axis. Although 3rd axis misalignment will cause left/right misses for angled shots too. 2nd axis misalignment of a sight (rotating the sight body around the axis parallel to the arrow) is identical to canting the bow and will cause the same misses. Not all sights have 2nd or 3rd axis adjustment but it’s a good comparison for those that are familiar with that concept
Awesome, under pressure, with knee's shaking, sometimes it's easy to screw up at the moment of truth. I choked on a shot this season, hard pill to swallow.
I feel your pain. We have all done it. I have screwed up some really important shots in my life. You have to just learn the lesson and move on. Good luck.
The main thing is the 90 degree angle between the bow arm and your upper body. And then not leaning forward, that's what gets me into trouble. Good luck.
I don’t think shooters realize that “ improper?” form changes the draw length and very possibly the anchor point. Compared to standing fully upright at the practice range everything just goes out the window lol. Arrow speed, sight picture, hand torque all get added into the less than optimal shot also.
The way I anchor (pretty low on my face) keeps the arrow close to the line of sight from the bow to the target so I don't have to aim low, but otherwise you definitely do need to learn to aim a few inches low. Sighting in and practicing from stand height is super important before the season and will fix most of those issues. I used to have a ladder stand that I shot from in September and October - and recently have been using an upper level deck on the side of the house to get the correct downward angle. Good luck.
Just simple information that is so important and commonly not thought about. Thanks Bill great tips for everyone 🏹🦌🇺🇸
Thanks Shane. I appreciate the support.
My life mantra…”if you understand the why, you can endure the how”.
Now I better understand the “why” thank you
Good point. I know that applies to stand locations too. The very few times I have hunted from stands someone else put up, I lost patience very quickly because I didn't know why that stand was even there. Hard to stick with it when you don't know why. Have a great day.
The WHY is so important for success! Nearly impossible to make adjustments and learn from mistakes if you don't understand the why. great video as always can't wait for the next!
Exactly. The better you understand the physics, the better you are at avoiding mistakes in the first place. Have a great day.
💯 %. The one thing that has helped me immensely is shooting sitting down. Much more stable for me and accurate. While not always applicable, it sure does help me when I can. I practice both. Great tips Bill. 👊🏻🦌
Good point. Most people don't practice sitting down enough. I like to stand as much as possible when hunting especially on open ridges and places like that where you don't really know exactly where the deer will pass. Have a great day.
Great tip Bill. I knew about the bending at the waist towards your side part but never thought about if I was bending forward at all. Thanks for your explanation.
I appreciate the support Art. Have a great day.
good video. these are the videos that some young hunters should be watching if they really want to be successful in the woods. great job bill.
Thanks. I appreciate the support. Have a great day.
Hot dang Bill! In these last two episodes you have helped me a TON! Thanks for doing these setup videos.
Good deal. I appreciate the comment. Have a great day.
Read that tip from you many years ago and it helped me kill my biggest buck to date ( as well as a few others ) they were within 5 yds of the tree, as usual excellent info
Thanks Scott for the long time support and congrats on your success! Have a great day.
Lots of people need to see this video. I don’t know how many shooters I’ve seen at TAC events and even local 3-d shoots that have no idea of how to keep their form shooting up or down. And this includes some that have been shooting for years.
Agreed. It seems that success always comes down to just doing the basics and the better we get at repeating them while practicing, the more they get ingrained and we automatically do them when actually performing for real. Have a great day.
Im pretty sure i made these mistakes as a younger bowhunter. It cost me a couple bigguns. Great video Bill.
Thanks Gary. I appreciate it. Have a great day.
I’ve also heard from several pros in order to get “over your hip” you should rotate your inside leg (left knee) in slightly, which helps keep you in line as you bend at the waist. I also don’t think shooters pay enough attention to the bubble level. I can remember back in the day not even having one on my sight. Invaluable for accuracy, especially at longer distances. Thanks Bill!
Good advice Steven. Thanks for sharing that. Like you, the first bubble level I ever had was one I glued on the sight myself. I could afford super cheap sights and I could afford a super cheap bubble level at the hardware store, but I couldn't afford a "fancy" sight that already had a bubble installed! Have a great day.
Leave it up Bill to point out and explain these intricate details that noone seems to have yet. I've heard very few guys actually explain in a clear way what is going on with these issues. Thanks Bill for working hard and putting helpful content out. Now I can actually wrap my head around these issues,understand them and either fix them or prevent them from happening. God bless!
Thanks Redwolf. I appreciate the support and wish you a great week.
Great tips you rarely hear people talk about in detail. Standing up vs sitting down during the shot is also something to consider. Every year I practice from the tree stand, all different angles & positions so I'm confident I'll make the shots I take.
Great advice. Practice is always the key but is very often overlooked from a stand, especially close shots that produce that really sharp downward angle that we so often struggle with. Have a great day.
I missed my first deer today thank you for this advice
Glad to be able to help. Good luck the rest of the season!
Have enjoyed your recent videos Bill ,looking forward to content outside of hunting season as well!
Thanks Mission Man. I appreciate the comment and the support. Good luck in 2023.
Good episode Bill, but what if you don't have a level. Maybe you could mention how you can use the trees around you to cant the bow into correction. As a person who has won 39 NFAA state target championships in the bow hunter freestyle limited class, one of the best tips I got from an old timer was to compensate to the tree growth with the top limb to correct arrow flight, because the bow hunter class didn't allow levels.
That is a really good point. I know it can be really tough in mountainous terrain too, because the tendency is to try to align the bow 90-degrees with the ground (the way we practice at home) and that results in some bad shots. Once again, the bubble (or as you state - the trees) will keep your bow vertical through the shot. Have a great day.
@@bill-winke Another thing came to mind regarding a level Bill. You probably should have mentioned about leveling the bubble to the bowstring. Not all handle risers are flat, square and parallel. Alot of people take that for granted. I'm sure the new integrated Hoyt's and Matthews probably did, but not every new shooter can afford those bows. Love your videos, keep them coming.
I definitely needed this tip nobody ever told me
Thanks for the comment. Good luck.
Great info, Bill. It’s easy to get caught up in the adrenaline and forget the simple practices. I would like to see a video on your opinions of quality camera setups for beginners and to what you use now as an experienced videographer.
We have the run the gamut on camera style over the years. Started with SD Canon cameras and then graduated to 3 sensor 1/3 inch sensor HD cameras but they didn't do well enough in low light. I sprang for a 3 sensor 2/3 inch sensor Sony with a really good Fujinon lens. That thing was huge but did well in low light. We used that for many years, but eventually saw the advantages of the single sensor 1 inch sensor cameras and that is all we use now. There are several of them, but I have been using a Sony X70. It is not 4k but that is OK. It does well in low light, is portable and reasonably affordable. I had a few of them during the Midwest Whitetail days but I had to buy this one used from a friend since they don't make them anymore. Some guys are now using DSLRs for filming hunts, but I still struggle with that idea because you can't use a lens controller and as a result you will need to work zoom and focus with the same hand. That's too much for me and I don't recommend it for most people. Stick with a video camera and use good audio (wireless lapel mics) for most applications. I know there are some setups that are far more advanced (and far more expensive) but this setup has stood the test of time and works well for filming hunts. Good luck.
Awesome! Thanks Bill
Another great tip Bill.
Thanks Mitchell. Much appreciated. Have a great day.
The second buck I shot this year I shot high. I did not bend at the waist and I had a shirt on like the one you have on and the collar got in the way of my anchor point. Both of these things caused me to shoot way high and I spined the deer. Luckily, I was able to get a second arrow in him before he got up and ran off. Thanks for the tip.
Glad it worked out. You bring up a good point that many of us neglect and that is practicing in the same exact clothing we plan to wear when hunting. Have a great day.
Some good info 👌🏼 I have done this before and didn't understand then, why.
Thanks for the support Josh. Much appreciated.
Same thing as getting 2nd axis correct on a sight
Possibly you are referring to the third axis. Pivoting the sight body within the sight frame to keep the bubble level on angled shots. Good point.
@@bill-winke Well no, I meant 2nd axis. Although 3rd axis misalignment will cause left/right misses for angled shots too. 2nd axis misalignment of a sight (rotating the sight body around the axis parallel to the arrow) is identical to canting the bow and will cause the same misses. Not all sights have 2nd or 3rd axis adjustment but it’s a good comparison for those that are familiar with that concept
Thank you sir for another great video
Thanks for the support Abdullah. Have a great day.
Awesome, under pressure, with knee's shaking, sometimes it's easy to screw up at the moment of truth. I choked on a shot this season, hard pill to swallow.
I feel your pain. We have all done it. I have screwed up some really important shots in my life. You have to just learn the lesson and move on. Good luck.
Lots of good information thanks again
Thanks for the comment Brian. I appreciate it.
Hey thanks for the great tips
Thanks for the comment. We appreciate it. Have a great day.
Great tips!
Thanks Nathan. Much appreciated.
Dream Big brother 🙏
I’ve heard to keep your shoulders in line also. I guess it’s more natural than bending at the hip while sitting.
The main thing is the 90 degree angle between the bow arm and your upper body. And then not leaning forward, that's what gets me into trouble. Good luck.
makes sense!
Thanks for the comment Ralph.
I was always told . Keep the 90 shape with fingers to hip and your positive leg to and don't ever come out of shape .
It is excellent advice. Thanks Joe. Have a great day.
I don’t think shooters realize that “ improper?” form changes the draw length and very possibly the anchor point. Compared to standing fully upright at the practice range everything just goes out the window lol. Arrow speed, sight picture, hand torque all get added into the less than optimal shot also.
Great points Tim. Thanks for the input.
Bill, can you please talk about how you aim at a deer from a tree stand that is much closer than your 20 yard pin? Does anyone have any tips? Thanks.
The way I anchor (pretty low on my face) keeps the arrow close to the line of sight from the bow to the target so I don't have to aim low, but otherwise you definitely do need to learn to aim a few inches low. Sighting in and practicing from stand height is super important before the season and will fix most of those issues. I used to have a ladder stand that I shot from in September and October - and recently have been using an upper level deck on the side of the house to get the correct downward angle. Good luck.
Thank you!@@bill-winke