@@Yamoyashi And then there is Benett, who has the monopol on all Teyvat's bad luck on himself. All the other people: We are prospering. Benett: Ouch, where the fuck did that rock come from?!?
@@norah-chan133 ayaks wins bad. Not only does her dodge make ice form around her, the infused auto attacks also let you melee more ice out for 6 seconds. Enough that you can regain your stamina a bit to keep dashing.
@@tartartartartar2731 true, but I don’t mind having a fancy jump dodge that does 10k on the main hit when I need it is nice. The firework burst from other characters though is just sad.
The new artifacts, the 4 star weapon that is meant for her shown in her trailer all shows that mihoyo designed her to a character that wont use burst most of the time. Only time to use her burst is when u wanna switch to sub dps or healer
Considering that hes a 1 year old unit, I'm surprised diluc can still put up those times, especially since he doesn't have an absolutely busted 5* weapon like homa or the thundering pulse
@@Badkhela crit damage scales harder lategame than attack%, especially in the whale territory where iwtl is comparing the 3. Also wgs passive, however amazing it is, is hp gated whereas homa's passive is basically on demand and thundering pulse is pretty much the same except you have to attack something. Wgs is an amazing weapon but when compared to homa and thundering pulse, it stands no ground
@@rellygudgamr3375 yes i agree homa and tp is better in comparison but a huge advantage wgs has is that it alllow diluc to use em sands which is actually very nice since wgs gives almost 70% atk right off the bat.
@@Badkhela imagine if Diluc has Claymore like Staff of Homa that gives you not only CritDMG but also ATK, or Thundering Pulse that gives you CritDMG, ATK, also Bonus NormalAttackDMG, unlike WGS only give you ATK, and also it's passive only works for low health enemies, so he got very much disadvantage in this showcase when fighting Boss Monster
Childe is actually the 4th most favorite Schneznayan man, Timmy was just so well disguised in Mondstadt Clothes people forgot that he's a spy from Schneznaya.
@@adrianlevampiro4567 hopefully won't. see how yoimiya design is, they knew the mistake they made with hutao and ganyu, so they are very focus on not making single unit too powerful. Yoimiya's Q is clearly mean to do AOE damage in the beginning, but they change to single target because that will instantly make ganyu more powerful than she already is, and made yoimiya a fire bot for ganyu, also they made a bow that only yoimiya can use for full potential so that they put part of the character's power to the weapon itself. the same pattern you can see in Raiden shogun, 30% of her power is in the weapon, and another 30% is in constellation, even another 5-10% is in another character Sara, which mean a C0 raiden shogun with a 4 star weapon is rather weak, more or less the same compare to C0 yoimiya therefor balance overall for existing characters and future characters, whale will still melt everything but F2P and monthly card player will not get character that instantly replaced by new character. but the clear problem is the power gap between F2Per and a whale is getting bigger and bigger each release, while genshin is a single player game that power gap doesn't mean much since there is no PVP, it helps mihoyo to retain F2Per and pleased whales at the same time.
@@skyknightu Yo ngl Runaan's effect on Yoimiya would actually be a great way to compensate for her single-target disadvantage and to not steal Klee's one trait since many wanted AoE on her AAs. Even if the 2 extra bolts coming from her E were to deal %damage from her original attacks, my soul would be satisfied.
Yeah... At this point they need to buff a few older Characters... Powercreep go crazy... I mean Geo is beautiful. But I wish they buffed Zhongli And Albedo while they could Buff Itto but he's quite powerful I still love and have Diluc as my preferred Pyro
I would assume C6 Klee with TTDS would perform similarly to C6 Amber with Elegy. Burst on Klee for Noblesse buff would come out slower, but I'd imagine the explosion would deal more damage. The defense shred, Pyro bonus, and TTDS buff should be close to Amber's burst attack buff and Elegy buff. So in conclusion, I think he just wanted to show off Amber.
Amber's burst has like no ICD (internal cool down) which makes actually the best shield break in the game funny enough, if we ever get a Cryo Abyss Herald / Lector I love to see Amber delete its phase 2
honestly yoimiya is a beast. her dmg is insane even at c0. i have amos bow on her and not so good artifacts and she can still hit 20k+. her kit and gameplay could be refined a bit tho but i doubt mihoyo will ever do that
I had a triple crowned R5 widmisth yanfei at lvl 90. Decided to build my Yoimiya I got purely by accident. She does WAY more damage at lvl 80. It is actually insane. Pairs best with Raiden/Beidou, Xinqui, Bennet IMO.
I got yoimiya by pure accident and now im so insanely confused who shall i completed build first, i got yan fei team comps that almost nearly done and i got eula nuke comps and still pretty bad cuz mihoyo love to see me suffer and i got childe elecharged team comps that i completely never finished and im planning to build yoimiya but i changed my mind and decide to build eula n yanfei first or other. Plz help meh
@@crispwhitesheet6355 I would focus on 2 dpses and their supports. Personally I’d choose Eula and Yoimiya and their teams but you should choose your two favorites.
I honestly thought that Hu Tao would completely destroy everyone. I'm glad that Yoimiya can shine in this showdown Edit: I feel kinda bad for Diluc tho.
That is a fact, add on to that that iwtl has r5 freedom sworn on kazuha and I think c6 (though c2 is kazuhas biggest power spike as a support and swirl bot). Quite the oversight on his part to not mention kazuhas build at all tbh
Yeah that was the only reason yoimiya had a faster run than hu tao, resisitance shredding alongside a lot more pyro bonus, especially that those samurais have high resistances last time i checked
@@terra20209 also for 12-1 at least kazuha and bennett wiped out the first wave of samurais before yoimiya came in while hu tao actually had to kill both waves of samurais lol
@@curryfishheadenjoyer yeah high investment kazuha is insane. Ive always said that low investment kazuha is worse than sucrose, but when we talk high investment...yeah its one sided, kazuha is op
One thing to consider is that the Thundering Pulse and Staff of Homs are both broken weapons for their respective characters and Diluc has no five star weapon equivalent since there are no crit rate or damage five star claymores.
Pulse and Homa aren't busted because of crit. They're busted because of their passives. Crit is not the end all be all of needed stats. He has a lot of videos on what perfect artifacts and stat balance looks like if you want to see how important atk% actually is.
@@TheDreadedJuggernaut Yeah attack is important but I feel as if Wolfsgravestone gives too much attack considering the fact that it has a high base attack, has an attack percentage substat, and the passive gives even more attack. I feel like it would be a better weapon if either the substat was changed to crit rate or damage or if the passive was changed so that it did something else besides giving more attack. I haven’t done the math though so I could be wrong.
@@jasonmarcellino1483 If he did then I must’ve missed that. Yeah that would’ve helped to balance out the attack more. The thing that air breather said about the passive should still be true though. The passive of the gravestone is lacking in comparison to the other weaponsz
@@jasonmarcellino1483 He did for the boss rush, can't use food in Abyss though. I think Dragon is spot on about Gravestone, it's the best DPS Claymore we have atm but basically any Crit% 5* would be better, just because you can easily stack enough Atk buffs through supports; Gravestone's Atk bonuses fall into diminishing returns. A Crit% weapon with a solid passive will blow Gravestone out of the water.
I love how you actually spend time in testing the characters and in getting their cleanest runs as a result we can appreciate and see the true value of each characters unlike other content creator who just looks at computations, numbers, and multiplayer without actually seeing how practical and viable it is in actual combat. Thanks for this! I'm really enjoying the your videos.
I mean obviously Diluc might be outplayed by other pyro limited characters, but he doesn’t hv an entirely busted weapon available other than WG and is on the permanent banner. Let’s give our man some praise.
I doubt he will be stronger than Hu tao tho bcuz i cant imagine them making a weapon more broken than staff of homa + both of hutaos passives are fantastic unlike diluc + ult animation is smaller and better ult than diluc + Xingqui and Hu tao > Xingqui + Diluc I cant comment on yoimiya since i dont have her
diluc main since 1.1. here ladies, he's fine no matter what is the weapon. it doesn't matter since his kit is mainly for charged attacks. ppl seem to ignore it a lot... c'mon his passive makes his ult more long, gives pyro damage, and decrases his charged atk stamina. making him just like hu tao,, actually. and i mean come on he's a claymore user. sadly they don't remove his normal atks like Eula's.
Disclaimer: Diluc is not a bad character at all. Amazing DPS, but since all of his attacks are single hit it takes a little longer then Yoimiya and Hu Tao
@@tilt2triangle412 bruh lmao ur funny. a GREAT artifact set for him is crimson and plus why would they give him a weapon, pyro isnt rly meta and hes not as popular so i could see mihoyo never doing that
The thing about Diluc is that he feels really safe and reliable for some reason (gameplay wise)? So I'm not too bummed about him losing DPS races. Also, is it just me, or do his constellations actually make his comboing less efficient? EDIT: Also, Yoimiya is definitely strong enough, it's just her kit's design that is way worse than it could be. As much as I love her.
Yeah, the difference is that dilluc's difference from C0 to C6 is not as big as the new characters C0 to C6 difference, in the end these times are more even if they were all C0 I think
Yeah, Diluc may not be OP/meta but he is that reliable good character, especially for new players. I like to think of him as the threshold between good and great DPS. I think he's the kind that we all felt safe using at first but all ended up shelving eventually, and new players will probably do the same.
I'd love to see a redo of this now that Yelan and Yun Jin are out for Yoimiya. Also now that the double hydro comp / funerational comp is out for Hu Tao.
@@aei1773 klee is kinda tricky, her damage scales up depending on how good are you at animation cancelling. im shameless and lazy hence im using mouse macro for n1+n1+charged atk+jump. Can't imagine doing that manually everytime.
Voted for Klee. But anyway, you’ve made HUUUUUGE work on this one. The amount of efforts and time to make this kind of video is immense. Thanks, as usual
I can tell why like they picked diluc over klee tho, coz rhe expectations are so low in yoimiya they picked diluc, welp i guess theyre all wrong, shes keeping up with hutao
This is such a great showcase of how good Yoimiya can be! I think the biggest “problem” with Yoimiya isn’t so much her, but the fact that this game just favors big burst damage comps more with vape + melt. Hu Tao’s kit just favors burst damage all around, versus Yoimiya who pumps out tons of damage numbers. I wouldn’t mind if Yoimiya got a buff, but I think who really needs a buff is Electro reactions… At least then Fireworks team comps can feel more competitive to melt/vape.
@@reinaters Except at C0 or C1, those two are still as viable on the field. Their cons just increase their already good dps. Yoimiya at low con could use more work.
Crazy how this is almost a year ago and now Yoimiya has more teammates that can amplify her damage like Yelan and Yun Jin. Good luck on those who will pull for Yoimiya!
I use Yoimiya with Beidou, Raiden, and Zhongli as an overload focused comp and it makes the game so brain-dead hahaha no more precise rotation needed/funnelling, dodging, and chasing enemy down
@@Makot0214 lmao did u think people needed permission to reply to ur stupidity lol nice flex bro i can’t find who asked L + ratio + c6 qiqi + no staff of homa
For an OG DPS, diluc is still relevant till today, almost a year after the game launch. When mihoyo release C Dmg claymore with crazy ass substat i believe diluc will come on top again
Good points and totally agree! Tbh I just want them to do something simple like just up his multipliers a bit. Like he doesn’t need much work, just add on some damage thru his multipliers. I think that would be ideal imo
I also think it's important to note that Diluc has a relatively outdated weapon at this point while Yoimiya and Hu Tao each have a weapon tailored to their kit as well as the best general option in their respective classes. Diluc would receive an indirect buff if a new claymore released that better suited him. This logic follows for f2p as well; since your Hu Tao, Yoimiya and Diluc more than likely don't have a 5* weapon, they're on a more even playing field than this video.
Them don't having a 5* weapon suggests that we possess all of them. I only have Hu Tao and she actually has a 5* weapon even tho it's Skyward Spine + she has some decent artifacts
An r5 dragon's bane which is a four star does similar amounts of damage to an r1 staff of Homa so your statement isn't exactly correct. So, if you just got a bit lucky with the weapon on standard/character banner over the course of a year, you could basically have a staff of Homa without ever pulling on staff of Homa.
Let’s be honest deluc did so well considering the fact he uses a claymore while hutao uses a spear and yoimia uses a bow , I never understood why they call him trash .
@@Ben-vg6ox she is probably close to Yoimiya tho, at least if you do those charged resets correctly. I have her, but I simply can't do it, so I opted to use Diluc instead, smoother gameplay, and Batman never failed to award me with 36 stars so far.
What I took away from this: - Overworld and Abyss are wildly different scenarios and performing well in one means nothing for the other - if Diluc is the low end these days, Yoimiya is going to be just fine - Diluc can still clear Abyss competitively, which means anyone who can beat him can't be called trash unless you're a hater
Well said. Diluc have been carrying me since day1. Didnt even need to pull for Hutao/Yoimiya/Klee for this lmao. 9stars floor 12 never failed till today. If they hate Diluc, thats on them. ez
honestly, it puts a smile to my face when i see yoimiya win haha, but you forgot the real test, *who can kill the pigeons the fastest and gain the most*
This is my biggest pet peeve with Genshin discussions. The only reliable talk about a character's abilities is when it's tested at its absolute peak performance. That means max constellations and refinements. So if you're a f2p, you're basically reduced to he-said, she-said on whether something's good or not
@@martinstephenortiz4628 lemme help you: you can beat childe solo with Barbara. If your f2p you don't need top be worrying about how fast the peener is on the meters. Just how well you can dodge. And dodging id the same frames for all characters
@@martinstephenortiz4628 i swear its the way people so obsessed with big numbers 😭 a game should be fun and enjoyable, not stressing u out with the dmg output. if u find big dmg is fun thats good for u, if u feel like having decent dmg thats good too! as long as u play it without pressure.
I totally get what you’re saying!! just remember this video is just a showdown. you’re not obligated to do it THIS way when you play genshin, just play with your own style.
Not surprised at all and I think that Yomiya's best team comps will take advantage of her high attack speed by using off field supports that attack when your character attacks. One of the other reason's for building a team that way is that all that off field dmg will also proc her burst. So you can do stupid shit like Yomiya, Fischl, Xinqui, Albedo, this is not a viable team unless you're a god at dodging however the sheer amount of procs that take place onscreen is ridiculous. Idk if many ppl know or remember but Oz can also proc Albedo's E. Overally if you like just seeing huge single numbers which it seems like the vast majority of this playerbase does Yomiya is not for you. If however you like seeing the boss's hp just quickly drain away due to an onslaught of attacks from bought you and your off-field supports you'll probably have some fun with her. I know I certainly have.
Exactly this, my Yoimiya, Albedo, Fischl, Bennett team just breeze thru the abyss. Maybe other teamcomps would do better, but for overload team, my pick is gonna be Yoimiya hands down and I can free my Xingqiu for the other team.
I also really enjoy playing Yoimiya in coop because I can do high dmg and ALSO buff my teammates’ atk and in return they prog my burst which is just super fun - also I did coop with an Albedo main and it was crazy how much Yoimiya profited off of him 10/10
@@Haze4743 that’s still true tho. it will take significantly more luck with artifacts and investment with talents or weapons or constellations to clear abyss with her single target dmg compared to smt like the national team.
Diluc still my favorite and I’m not rlly interested in the others cause I don’t like the characters that much lol. Diluc was my first 5* and will forever be my favorite :3
Crit damage won't help much, he need an actual Claymore with great passive like Homa or Pulse, or even Wgs with a great reworked passive than the shit one it currently has.
5 stars claymores are just can't compete with homa and thundering. Wgs only gives him attack which at somepoint it would get diminishing return. While homa and thundering has different scaling to avoid diminishing return.
Yes, his passive increase the charged atk, but there is no room for using it. Idk what mihoyo thinkin. Just waste of passive slot, just like keqing passive.
Is it possible that one day you might make a dps showdown with the starter characters? I understand if not, but I just think it would be super interesting to see and I would love to get a glimpse of how they could perform and see them used in an end game setting. Edit: By starters I mean Kaeya, Amber, Lisa, and also possibly traveller.
you mean in a whaled out setting. starters can be nice to use, kaeya and lisa especially and of course xiangling which is the best one out of the starters.
yes, starter free toon with F2Per obtainable R5 4 stars weapons would be nice. the problem for the 3 starters are, they are harder to get to C6 than 5 stars.
I love Yoimiya! When she gets a rerun, I'm pulling for C6. I bet by the time she Does come around again, she will have other teammates she can use for even higher damage 💥💥💥
Batman's passive talent and 5 star weapon is pretty meh. Diluc still has huge potential in the future when a crit rate/dmg 5 star Claymore finally comes out 😊
True. I highly doubt he can out dps Hu Tao though. The Staff of Homa is just too good on her and her entire kit is too good against single target enemies. I think Diluc with a 5 star crit claymore could probably be better than Klee maybe?
@@OddWilliam17 Yeah probably. I also think he'd be stronger than a Hu Tao who doesnt have Homa too, since the difference between hutao with homa and hutao without homa is pretty huge
All they have to do for diluc is make a 5 star weapon specifically for him and change the burst so that it explodes on unstaggerable enemies (dealing some extra damage to compensate le diminished duration) and keep pushing smaller foes in the exact same way it does now. Ps. Even if diluc deals less damage, I love the sense of strength he conveys. You feel like you are literally bullying enemies. No hate for Hu Tao but she feels like she is tickling enemies with that "weak" charge attack, even if you see 1 million damage on screen. Will always prefer diluc, and I hope they tweak him a little one day
That wont help that much, considering the fact that against targets with big healths Diluc falls behind to Hu Tao by A LOT and a little bit far behind to Yoimiya. What proof do I have? Compare Diluc to characters like Ayaka, Eula and Xiao (characters which Hu Tao have similar damage to), and you'll see the result, at C0 with F2P weapon their gap is MUCH bigger than before when you compare them to Diluc
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 I agree, in fact I didn't say that tweaking diluc like that would make him stronger than hu tao (or equal to her). I just think that diluc's burst, if reworked, could increase by a lot his overall dps (especially considering that he can spam it almost non stop). Doing that, and keeping into account the benefits of a claymore user (increased shield breaking and staggering capability) would easily push way more diluc(s) out of the bench imo. A crit rate/crit dmg 5 star claymore on top of that would make things even better. The point of my post was highlighting the fact that diluc could easily be "buffed" and at least pushed back into being relevant, if mihoyo wanted to. That being said, hu tao remains (and most likely would remain anyways) the highest dmg Pyro dps for sure, there's no debate about that.
I enjoy using Diluc the most, his playstyle is complex and I like it and another reason why Diluc took longer to defeat every boss is because his scalings are a bit low but he can clear everything in game, and another thing that no one can change is, HE IS THE STRONGEST PYRO CHARACTER IN LORE ;)
Well, I thought I was a Diluc fan until I realized I'm supposed to be farming Crimson Witch every single day. Sorry, Diluc, I clearly don't deserve you. He may be slow, but still one of my favorites. It just gives me a little more time to enjoy bonking things in style.
at the end of the video when he shows them being used properly in the abyss all the pyro dps perform very much similarly so there is no point in being sad. imo diluc is satisfying because he smashes things with a claymore and tosses enemies around because his smashes are so devastating. his ult get clowned on because of the long animation but its super stylish and cool. im pretty sure people that min max would rather his ult have no animation at all just to eek out more dps but at the end of the day this is just a casual pve game. animations>dps.
@@rust8995 my Hu Tao is as invested as Diluc. She even have a crowned AA and ES with DM she has 200% crit dmg and 61% crit rate and I tell you that they are the same except Hu Tao had downtime and lives at the edge.
Have to take note: Yoimiya's team in Abyss 12-1 had Kazuha dealing 11.8k Overload damage + 6.7k Swirls in AoE. Basically, in all the floors, the team had the advantage of insane AoE swirl damage and chain reactions thanks to Kazuha. Of course, let's not forget the R5 Freedom-sword Sword :3
Thats how you build good teams if your DPS is single target focussed you either make her so strong that she defeats everything super fast one by one or you add AOE character.
Maybe he has c6 Bennett? The pyro damage% on Bennett's ult would probably help bridge the gap, although c2 Kazuha gives a chonky EM to boost Vape so idk, Kazuha might be better.
Diluc's down side in this is that his burst is not a single hit damage and it's animation casting time. But those are also two things I like about him so a few seconds of animation doesn't bother me.. hehe
@@sleepiestbro but it only push small enemies, and because it pushes them they end up getting all the ticks of his burst.. if it did staggered and pushes larger enemies as well or if it didn't pass through large enemies it would be better...
It doesn’t matter if it bothers you or not the point is it’s a hit to his dps due to being in the animation for so long. Which for the sake of comparing dps is a bad thing.
@@sleepiestbro nah it freakin kills them before they even reach the end and even if it pushes them it's not that big of an matter uk instead of yoimiya who Focused on single target dps diluc is amazingly good at single target and as well as multiple enemies
I never see comments about this, so I’m making one. The editing in all of these videos is SO good, and it takes a long time to do. Thank you, for taking the time to make good quality videos for us all this time :)
Honestly I’m happy I got yoimiya, I don’t have hu Tao and I need a main dps for all the shit ayaka struggles with. I do really wish they would buff her burst, I wanna use her as a melt support for my ayaka but for now she is going to be my alternate dps for things with immunity/high res to ice.
they are both really good together though. drop ayaka's ult and let yoimiya go ham when her E is up. You can get up to 100k normal attack damage with melts
@@Indivinity wich is more than enough for nuking mobs, at least it is better than staying with ayaka after her burst unless u have C6 ayaka for her 300% charge multiplier
Now this is some good contents I enjoyed every seconds of this! Thank you for doing all these interesting runs and showing us the results. I just can't imagine the time and efforts u been put to this with so much rng going on.
I think characters like Fishl C6/Baal would be best to support Yoimiya. Theirs attacks join AA, and Overload keeps Yoi safe distant as well as dmg a little AOE. Not to mention C6 Yoimiya has extra attacks registered as AA
Very nice showcase, and this is definitely interesting to watch, but I feel like this isn’t going to be helpful for the vast majority of the playerbase who don’t have the funds to get C6 of 5*s and R5 on their 5* weapons. I think maybe a comparison between c0 and r1 characters would be interesting, though
@@LunaBlanche7328 yes Especially hutao Her c6 allows huge nuking potential but only in 10 seconds Plus hutao has stamina problems if not managed properly with out c1 Yoimiya constellations also buff her damage by quite a lot too especially c2 and c6
Not a diluc user here (I kinda don’t like using him), but in diluc’s defense, he is a much more consistent dps compared to the other two, especially c6 hu tao. Each character has their own strong suits, and a few seconds difference in a boss fight won’t make the world’s difference :)
@@lol-gy9pj i was referring to the second part of his comment where he says 'they each have their strongsuits' but hu tao is better than diluc against literally EVERYTHING so his comment didnt make sense.
I have no regrets building both my Yoimiya and Hu Tao. Still trying to wish for Yoimiya's BiS weapon but being a low spender makes it close to impossible. I got lucky and was able to pull Staff of Homa for my Hu Tao.
If you have R5 Rust its pretty close to her banner weapon actually, unlike Homa which is vastly better than any other alternative. Its still fine to pull for it if you like it, but weapon banner can be a real trap, so if you're low spender I don't recommend doing it. You get Rust pretty regularly from just pulling on characters banners, so eventually you gonna R5 it just by playing.
On the Primogeo, Yoimiya could've had the same clear time as Hu Tao when you triggered the Shime set properly. You used burst, which drained her energy then used her E. And we all know there's a +50% damage increase on your normal attacks when you use the character's E.
I agree, claymore's currently have the worst 5 star options available. Swords use to be similar but they got jade cutter before and mistsplitter recently. Polearms have staff of homa and jade spear. The bow's are really good since we have Amos which is great for charged attacks and skyward harp and the one on Yoimiya's banner (forgot the name). Catalyst's have lost prayers. All weapon types have great 5 star crit options except for Claymores.
you should do more speedrunning content. its a part of the game im not even remotely whaled enough to experience but it could be seriously interesting to watch both your own runs and breakdowns >-
Yoimiya is surprisingly competitive in the Abyss, though you could also say that Kazuha is OP. I run that Yoimiya team with Klee instead of Yoimiya and it also absolutely slaps.
Yes, I was quite surprised that she lacks AOE but she shits harder than a lot of DPS and can take them down fast one by one. She works well with an AOE character to damage them slowly and then she finishes them off fast.
@@spookyscarylamppost3431 what is Hi Tao's other option as a replacement to amber? The next thing would be Albedo but it is still arguable if Albedo would br a better support than IWinToLose's Amber with all those buffs. Hu Tao cant leverage Bennett and Kazuha so she doesnt have that many options.
Thank you for posting this lol. Because I have decent builds for both my hu tao and my yoimiya but I was looking for build videos to see if there was anything I could improve and this helped a lot lol
I don't know if ppl realize but as a fischl dps main, yoimiya's dps is very high for a single target eg. my ganyu can make 30-40k dmg per charge and my poorly build yoimiya can make like 10k per shot (these both w buff)
I can see that diluc problem might be that he needs to use his ult to be pyro infused taking like 2 sec of time for only that, while the others just tap his e and begin to attack. But at least he can be permanent pyro with enough er(?)
@@JoseFerreira-nk5kq diluc will still make a better dps doing consistent vape/melt and aoe dmg, the best way to compare them is to do abyss run and see who clears faster, for me it was hu tao> xiangling>diluc>yoimiya so it’s better if you try it for yourself
@@akutenshi6946 hm but didn't he do an abyss 12 run and show that both hutao and yoimiya cleared it faster than diluc? I'd say it's more like hutao>xiangling>yoimiya>diluc. Xiangling could pull ahead of Hutao if you have the national team too. idk just my opinion but I can understand what you're saying about the consistent reactions.
Good vid as always, also massive thanks for the 12-1 strat, not that I can't clear it but the strat help me do it very consistently around 30-40s. About Yoimiya, I agree that she is not "bad, trash", she is just not OP. Also, I think her design, while still have alot of room for improvement, it specifically targets a specific group of player: mobile, casual, non-tryhard, etc. At the end of the day, a unit is a product and by no mean Mihoyo has to always cater to meta players, that something for everyone to keep in mind.
I just realized that all 3 of these characters own their businesses
Pyro archon likes business owners it seems
we love booked and busy characters
Oh yeah. And i thought the land of geo, liyue, was the centre of commerce lol. Pyro archon seems to be good at this
I say, the pyro archon gives vision based on passion. Excluding Diluc.
@@Yamoyashi And then there is Benett, who has the monopol on all Teyvat's bad luck on himself. All the other people: We are prospering. Benett: Ouch, where the fuck did that rock come from?!?
My conclusion is that Diluc is a Gentleman: He always finish the last.
All the ladies love Diluc cuz he always. finishes. last.
@@donchrisangelo5699 Niiice
@@donchrisangelo5699 nice
The Diluc disrespect. Love it 😂 this channel is gold
diluc: ladies first
Can we have a showdown of Sayu vs. Ayaka vs, Mona on who can cross Teyvat the quickest
Now we need an Icebridge to Unnamed Island competition.
Kaeya got powercept so hard in the ice-bridging department.
@@norah-chan133 ayaks wins bad. Not only does her dodge make ice form around her, the infused auto attacks also let you melee more ice out for 6 seconds. Enough that you can regain your stamina a bit to keep dashing.
the result is already available... Sayu is the winner.
Hewo atsu
Everyone: use bursts
Yoimiya: "we dont do that here"
Thats what I hate about her most ,her elemental burst needs a buff
@@tartartartartar2731 same i main her the elemental burst animation is pure gold but needs a buff
@@tartartartartar2731 true, but I don’t mind having a fancy jump dodge that does 10k on the main hit when I need it is nice. The firework burst from other characters though is just sad.
The new artifacts, the 4 star weapon that is meant for her shown in her trailer all shows that mihoyo designed her to a character that wont use burst most of the time. Only time to use her burst is when u wanna switch to sub dps or healer
@@tartartartartar2731 ive never used her elemental burst and i have had her since she came out, we dont do that here ✋
Considering that hes a 1 year old unit, I'm surprised diluc can still put up those times, especially since he doesn't have an absolutely busted 5* weapon like homa or the thundering pulse
People undervalue atk% but its equally as important as crit damage. And as for diluc having wgs allows him to use em sands which is powerful.
@@Badkhela crit damage scales harder lategame than attack%, especially in the whale territory where iwtl is comparing the 3. Also wgs passive, however amazing it is, is hp gated whereas homa's passive is basically on demand and thundering pulse is pretty much the same except you have to attack something. Wgs is an amazing weapon but when compared to homa and thundering pulse, it stands no ground
@@rellygudgamr3375 yes i agree homa and tp is better in comparison but a huge advantage wgs has is that it alllow diluc to use em sands which is actually very nice since wgs gives almost 70% atk right off the bat.
True. Give Diluc a Crit DMG claymore and things get very interesting.
@@Badkhela imagine if Diluc has Claymore like Staff of Homa that gives you not only CritDMG but also ATK, or Thundering Pulse that gives you CritDMG, ATK, also Bonus NormalAttackDMG, unlike WGS only give you ATK, and also it's passive only works for low health enemies, so he got very much disadvantage in this showcase when fighting Boss Monster
Childe is actually the 4th most favorite Schneznayan man,
Timmy was just so well disguised in Mondstadt Clothes people forgot that he's a spy from Schneznaya.
Timmy ain’t a man yet though
Perhaps not... but rather a *manly man.*
but no one likes Timmy, thats why his dad left him and so many people kills his pigeons. Childe is still 3rd
5th, count Tucer as well (sorry, not sure how to spell it correctly)
who r the other 2
cant wait for the kokomi vs barbara showdown
I can't wait too 😂😂😂
HEALING CONTEST
Qiqi taking the W secretly
Hot take: Barbruh is gonna be a better DPS
@@d7603 yes barbruh can still crit kekw
Remember when the game was just released and Diluc was considered as the absolute peak DPS unit ?
I mean, he kinda was, and he's still great by today standards. I just hope powercreep doesn't completely destroy him in the near future
@@adrianlevampiro4567 hopefully won't. see how yoimiya design is, they knew the mistake they made with hutao and ganyu, so they are very focus on not making single unit too powerful. Yoimiya's Q is clearly mean to do AOE damage in the beginning, but they change to single target because that will instantly make ganyu more powerful than she already is, and made yoimiya a fire bot for ganyu, also they made a bow that only yoimiya can use for full potential so that they put part of the character's power to the weapon itself. the same pattern you can see in Raiden shogun, 30% of her power is in the weapon, and another 30% is in constellation, even another 5-10% is in another character Sara, which mean a C0 raiden shogun with a 4 star weapon is rather weak, more or less the same compare to C0 yoimiya therefor balance overall for existing characters and future characters, whale will still melt everything but F2P and monthly card player will not get character that instantly replaced by new character. but the clear problem is the power gap between F2Per and a whale is getting bigger and bigger each release, while genshin is a single player game that power gap doesn't mean much since there is no PVP, it helps mihoyo to retain F2Per and pleased whales at the same time.
@@adrianlevampiro4567 I really hope they give him an equally or comparably busted weapon as Homa with Hu Tao. I still love my Diluc
@@alistairt7544 just wait for the FISH Claymore lol
@@lucasmontero1456 🤣🤣🤣 Ima b*tch slap enemies with my giant Tuna 🐟
"But then came Yoimiya biggest weakness, more than 1 target"
I can't XD
I might have died a bit on the inside lol
The time when Genshin needed Runnan's hurricane
@@skyknightu Yo ngl Runaan's effect on Yoimiya would actually be a great way to compensate for her single-target disadvantage and to not steal Klee's one trait since many wanted AoE on her AAs. Even if the 2 extra bolts coming from her E were to deal %damage from her original attacks, my soul would be satisfied.
@@skyknightu ughh it wouldn't hurt for mihoyo to add a little aoe that can atleast affect clustered enemies
@@skyknightu It would make sense with her whole firework theme, but nah she'll be stuck like this forever tbh
4:51 iWtL: "Thank you for your service."
Cryo Regisvine: "I HATE YOU"
I'm expecting a curse word.. But this one is fine..
That's why we need a training dummy
@@Ven117 masanori:
Pyro Regisvine: "No one appreciates my efforts T_T "
@@RejectedInch Ayaka mains: you're wrong
"My artifacts are garbage in comparison"
Proceeds to pull out artifacts that are better than my best set in the whole game.
may be comparing his to Tony To u know that big pp damage dealer guy
Genshin-tubers be like:
the only artifact that comes close to any of his is my 20% crit dmg maid circlet with healing bonus lmao
my best artifact is a 22% crit dmg, 6% Crit rate, and like 10% atk
@@prehistoriccreator9600 farm more
It's funny hearing "Only having ONE refinement 5 Staff of Homa" After a certain someone paid $2k for an R1 Homa
Tectone flashbacks*
that certain someone had 4 R5 WGS. he can make an entire team with those.
@@stefanmanojlov4230 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I wonder how much staff of homa he would get with optimized path system with that much money
me who only got c3 Diluc from 50/50s and r1 WGS.. hmm interesting.. This is kinda unfair to Diluc coz he swings slow, atk% weap compared to the others
Diluc feels like a classic car… really not the best compared to newer versions, but damn does it feel good using him
Yeah... At this point they need to buff a few older Characters... Powercreep go crazy... I mean Geo is beautiful. But I wish they buffed Zhongli And Albedo while they could Buff Itto but he's quite powerful I still love and have Diluc as my preferred Pyro
not really when you lose to diluc at 83 pity my yoimiya ;)
Have to disagree, only claymore I like is Eula, and it's because her attacks are faster and more fluid
Og characters needs adjustment
It's about weapon and skills as well...
"..just wait till you see how Hu Tao is carried by Amber" is something I never thought I'll hear.
Yeah, I guess I'll eat my words. Ambers C6 looking kinda mad tho, I didn't know her c6 was busted.
I would assume C6 Klee with TTDS would perform similarly to C6 Amber with Elegy. Burst on Klee for Noblesse buff would come out slower, but I'd imagine the explosion would deal more damage. The defense shred, Pyro bonus, and TTDS buff should be close to Amber's burst attack buff and Elegy buff. So in conclusion, I think he just wanted to show off Amber.
X2
Yea, c69 amber with a full support build feels good
Amber's burst has like no ICD (internal cool down) which makes actually the best shield break in the game funny enough, if we ever get a Cryo Abyss Herald / Lector I love to see Amber delete its phase 2
honestly yoimiya is a beast. her dmg is insane even at c0. i have amos bow on her and not so good artifacts and she can still hit 20k+. her kit and gameplay could be refined a bit tho but i doubt mihoyo will ever do that
I had a triple crowned R5 widmisth yanfei at lvl 90. Decided to build my Yoimiya I got purely by accident. She does WAY more damage at lvl 80. It is actually insane.
Pairs best with Raiden/Beidou, Xinqui, Bennet IMO.
I'll definitely poll for her when she is back. I couldn't get her because I just wasn't playing the game yet
I got C1 Yoimiya earlier on the game and with a Rust and Shimenawa artifacts, she can hit ~20k (32k max)
I got yoimiya by pure accident and now im so insanely confused who shall i completed build first, i got yan fei team comps that almost nearly done and i got eula nuke comps and still pretty bad cuz mihoyo love to see me suffer and i got childe elecharged team comps that i completely never finished and im planning to build yoimiya but i changed my mind and decide to build eula n yanfei first or other. Plz help meh
@@crispwhitesheet6355 I would focus on 2 dpses and their supports. Personally I’d choose Eula and Yoimiya and their teams but you should choose your two favorites.
I honestly thought that Hu Tao would completely destroy everyone. I'm glad that Yoimiya can shine in this showdown
Edit: I feel kinda bad for Diluc tho.
Admittedly, these are all C6 characters with R5 versions of their respective weapons, so it doesn't accurately represent what a normal player would do
@@bryannaing6316 it just show how a fully build character can do
@@ld_rey Fully bought* not built
@@Mark-xw5yt nah bc hes character are built different you may can whale on character but never on the artifact
@@ld_rey tho C6 Hu Tao really helped a lot
- Hu Tao main
What I learned from the abyss part:
"Damn! Kazuha is OP!"
XD
That is a fact, add on to that that iwtl has r5 freedom sworn on kazuha and I think c6 (though c2 is kazuhas biggest power spike as a support and swirl bot). Quite the oversight on his part to not mention kazuhas build at all tbh
Yeah that was the only reason yoimiya had a faster run than hu tao, resisitance shredding alongside a lot more pyro bonus, especially that those samurais have high resistances last time i checked
@@terra20209 also for 12-1 at least kazuha and bennett wiped out the first wave of samurais before yoimiya came in while hu tao actually had to kill both waves of samurais lol
@@curryfishheadenjoyer yeah high investment kazuha is insane.
Ive always said that low investment kazuha is worse than sucrose, but when we talk high investment...yeah its one sided, kazuha is op
One thing to consider is that the Thundering Pulse and Staff of Homs are both broken weapons for their respective characters and Diluc has no five star weapon equivalent since there are no crit rate or damage five star claymores.
Pulse and Homa aren't busted because of crit. They're busted because of their passives. Crit is not the end all be all of needed stats. He has a lot of videos on what perfect artifacts and stat balance looks like if you want to see how important atk% actually is.
@@TheDreadedJuggernaut Yeah attack is important but I feel as if Wolfsgravestone gives too much attack considering the fact that it has a high base attack, has an attack percentage substat, and the passive gives even more attack. I feel like it would be a better weapon if either the substat was changed to crit rate or damage or if the passive was changed so that it did something else besides giving more attack. I haven’t done the math though so I could be wrong.
@@dragonman1495 but didnt he give diluc crit food buff?
@@jasonmarcellino1483 If he did then I must’ve missed that. Yeah that would’ve helped to balance out the attack more. The thing that air breather said about the passive should still be true though. The passive of the gravestone is lacking in comparison to the other weaponsz
@@jasonmarcellino1483 He did for the boss rush, can't use food in Abyss though. I think Dragon is spot on about Gravestone, it's the best DPS Claymore we have atm but basically any Crit% 5* would be better, just because you can easily stack enough Atk buffs through supports; Gravestone's Atk bonuses fall into diminishing returns. A Crit% weapon with a solid passive will blow Gravestone out of the water.
"If you are a main Diluc, youre probably farm crimson wich for like a year, so you have perfect artifacts"
Me: I have?
I mean i farmed crimson for him for over a year and got 2654 atk 51%/207%
@@fullstrivetv7612 how is it over 1 year.. the aniv is next week XD
Im at 2700atk 73%/140% this ratio is for the CD GS im waiting for it..
His worst Diluc artefacts are better than any of the once I have on my Pyro dps 😂 a whole 3 months farming that domain and got nothing.
@@ivyv.d.4510 welp the power of resin refills lol
I love how you actually spend time in testing the characters and in getting their cleanest runs as a result we can appreciate and see the true value of each characters unlike other content creator who just looks at computations, numbers, and multiplayer without actually seeing how practical and viable it is in actual combat. Thanks for this! I'm really enjoying the your videos.
I know a joke repeated several times becomes unfunny, but damn dawn of the elemental burst got me laughing every time
In this case the repetition really added to the comedy 😂
I wish the Dawn actually lifts more bigger enemies. Its so underwhelming as a burst against new enemies.
I think i get the joke cause of the
"Dawn" and "time" since we are currently (probably) in the dawn of time.
Or the joke is in the video.
@@genshinsage well all kinds of crowd control succs against new enemies (cries in Kazuha)
I mean obviously Diluc might be outplayed by other pyro limited characters, but he doesn’t hv an entirely busted weapon available other than WG and is on the permanent banner. Let’s give our man some praise.
Its a debate that he can be better than yoimiya tho since she is single target and diluc can attack multiple
I doubt he will be stronger than Hu tao tho bcuz i cant imagine them making a weapon more broken than staff of homa
+ both of hutaos passives are fantastic unlike diluc
+ ult animation is smaller and better ult than diluc
+ Xingqui and Hu tao > Xingqui + Diluc
I cant comment on yoimiya since i dont have her
diluc main since 1.1. here ladies, he's fine no matter what is the weapon. it doesn't matter since his kit is mainly for charged attacks. ppl seem to ignore it a lot... c'mon his passive makes his ult more long, gives pyro damage, and decrases his charged atk stamina. making him just like hu tao,, actually. and i mean come on he's a claymore user. sadly they don't remove his normal atks like Eula's.
@@daisunai his charge atks take so long to do the dmg that norm+E, norm+E.... would do
If u use his charge atk u r playing him incorrectly
@@daisunai i really hope ur joking lmao
I can only wonder what chaos will ensue when Klee and Yoimiya meet and make "fireworks" lol
Lmao 😂😂😂😂
She even has a voiceline about Klee
ruclips.net/video/cl1VKdWOEEo/видео.html
There you have it Yoimiya on her journey meets Klee :)
Timed artillery
@@witherking97 hahahahaha lmao
Disclaimer: Diluc is not a bad character at all. Amazing DPS, but since all of his attacks are single hit it takes a little longer then Yoimiya and Hu Tao
@@tilt2triangle412 how could u even buff him?
@@tilt2triangle412 bruh lmao ur funny. a GREAT artifact set for him is crimson and plus why would they give him a weapon, pyro isnt rly meta and hes not as popular so i could see mihoyo never doing that
@@twoohsimp1412 "pyro isnt really meta" LMFAO
@@pedronovais4130 its not
@@pedronovais4130 ah i take that back bennett and yoimiya and hutao,
Love how he calls Diluc's burst a movie cause of how long it is lmao
lol
Ikr lol? Baal's might be close to that lenght and I am not even mad........wish we had at least 5 seconds of her pulling her sword out......
@Sku11z lol
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 i agree with you we dont mind a 10 second burst animation for some booba sword fan service 👀 👀 👀
@@aluthr lol
18:50 “only one r5 staff of homa” really unfortunate bro LMAO
The thing about Diluc is that he feels really safe and reliable for some reason (gameplay wise)? So I'm not too bummed about him losing DPS races. Also, is it just me, or do his constellations actually make his comboing less efficient?
EDIT: Also, Yoimiya is definitely strong enough, it's just her kit's design that is way worse than it could be. As much as I love her.
Honestly at c0 u wud see diluc coming closer cuz hu tao and yoimiya constellation are better than diluc's
he is, being a claymore user, he has a much easier time stunning enemies
Yeah, the difference is that dilluc's difference from C0 to C6 is not as big as the new characters C0 to C6 difference, in the end these times are more even if they were all C0 I think
Yeah, Diluc may not be OP/meta but he is that reliable good character, especially for new players. I like to think of him as the threshold between good and great DPS.
I think he's the kind that we all felt safe using at first but all ended up shelving eventually, and new players will probably do the same.
I too love playing with Yoimiya. It just that, with her it’s like 80% fun, 20% pain
I'd love to see a redo of this now that Yelan and Yun Jin are out for Yoimiya. Also now that the double hydro comp / funerational comp is out for Hu Tao.
Poor Klee always gets left out of these kind of things
We're just trying to kill some bosses, not destroy an entire nation
yeah i also wanted o know the difference, ik she’s better than diluc but like how much? oh well can’t change lol, doesn’t matter
@@aei1773 he has older videos up with both klee and diluc comparison.. .
@@aei1773 klee is kinda tricky, her damage scales up depending on how good are you at animation cancelling. im shameless and lazy hence im using mouse macro for n1+n1+charged atk+jump. Can't imagine doing that manually everytime.
pretty sure iwtlg has done klee vs diluc vs hu tao before, but yeah it's been a while
Voted for Klee. But anyway, you’ve made HUUUUUGE work on this one. The amount of efforts and time to make this kind of video is immense. Thanks, as usual
I can tell why like they picked diluc over klee tho, coz rhe expectations are so low in yoimiya they picked diluc, welp i guess theyre all wrong, shes keeping up with hutao
@@deulgi6819 barely
@@applenewmoon4402 are u blind
Yeah, they picked Diluc because they thought she is some Diluc level powercrept, and yeah Klee is on a different level tho.
@@applenewmoon4402 doubters kekw
This is such a great showcase of how good Yoimiya can be! I think the biggest “problem” with Yoimiya isn’t so much her, but the fact that this game just favors big burst damage comps more with vape + melt. Hu Tao’s kit just favors burst damage all around, versus Yoimiya who pumps out tons of damage numbers.
I wouldn’t mind if Yoimiya got a buff, but I think who really needs a buff is Electro reactions… At least then Fireworks team comps can feel more competitive to melt/vape.
Mhm. Good showcase of WHALED Yoimiya, definitely. If we're sticking to just C0 or C1, it would feel very different.
Not everyone can afford constellations on Yoimiya for her to be this good nor would they be able to afford her BiS
@@hibby2729 don't forget whaled hu Tao and whaled diluc too
@@reinaters Except at C0 or C1, those two are still as viable on the field. Their cons just increase their already good dps. Yoimiya at low con could use more work.
@@hibby2729 hu tao is hu tao but im sure yoimiya still can beat diluc on C0
Crazy how this is almost a year ago and now Yoimiya has more teammates that can amplify her damage like Yelan and Yun Jin. Good luck on those who will pull for Yoimiya!
17:33 I like how perfect Ayaka's burst timing was
It's so satisfying.
I still love the Pyro Batman. Newer characters output more damage. But he's a classic. 😎 And very player friendly.
same with me, just patience, he will be back hahah
im pretty sure that at this point the bosses just want to go home
Im pretty sure they are at their own home. We just visit them often 🤣. They just want to move out of teyvat
@@TheKnightCrafter123 yeah i am sure that is impossible considering some of them are actual plant. Plus we don't visit them we INVADE their homes
yoimiya is actually so good especially when enemies are flying all over the map, whereas c0 hutao runs into stamina issues chasing the enemy
I use Yoimiya with Beidou, Raiden, and Zhongli as an overload focused comp and it makes the game so brain-dead hahaha no more precise rotation needed/funnelling, dodging, and chasing enemy down
I have c1 lmao
@@Makot0214 lmao no one asked
@@krist6l lmao no one told u to reply
@@Makot0214 lmao did u think people needed permission to reply to ur stupidity lol nice flex bro i can’t find who asked
L + ratio + c6 qiqi + no staff of homa
For an OG DPS, diluc is still relevant till today, almost a year after the game launch. When mihoyo release C Dmg claymore with crazy ass substat i believe diluc will come on top again
Good points and totally agree! Tbh I just want them to do something simple like just up his multipliers a bit. Like he doesn’t need much work, just add on some damage thru his multipliers. I think that would be ideal imo
Diluc is nice to play. Boring but stable and consistent like ganyu. His lore is also interesting. Would hope to see more of him in the future
Diluc is a gentleman, he'll always let the ladies go first
And then there's Hu Tao and Yoimiya going crazy on who gets to be first
🤣
I also think it's important to note that Diluc has a relatively outdated weapon at this point while Yoimiya and Hu Tao each have a weapon tailored to their kit as well as the best general option in their respective classes. Diluc would receive an indirect buff if a new claymore released that better suited him. This logic follows for f2p as well; since your Hu Tao, Yoimiya and Diluc more than likely don't have a 5* weapon, they're on a more even playing field than this video.
Them don't having a 5* weapon suggests that we possess all of them. I only have Hu Tao and she actually has a 5* weapon even tho it's Skyward Spine + she has some decent artifacts
Just give diluc food buff & pyro oil, its moor than enough for f2p to compare if there in the future better claymore for diluc
F2p should hav 5* characters first, then u can think of 5* weapon lol
Thundering pulse also doesn't work well with the shimenawa set for Yoimiya, since it contradicts it. So your point isn't exactly correct
An r5 dragon's bane which is a four star does similar amounts of damage to an r1 staff of Homa so your statement isn't exactly correct. So, if you just got a bit lucky with the weapon on standard/character banner over the course of a year, you could basically have a staff of Homa without ever pulling on staff of Homa.
Let’s be honest deluc did so well considering the fact he uses a claymore while hutao uses a spear and yoimia uses a bow , I never understood why they call him trash .
@@IamAmygdala exactly
@@IamAmygdala Eula is both
@@IamAmygdala Eula is both a slow DPS and a burst DPS
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 yes people should know that
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 eula burst is also kinda long though
The problem with diluc is that he doesn't have a good enough weapon like the staff or the thundering puls
I know it's been a year since your comment but:
Dragon's Bane and Rust, and Serpent Spine
Good thing for the future Kokomi dps showcase, you won't be needing crit fishing.
Mmm diminishing returns
@@sto-humanfriendly What do you mean diminishing returns? She literally can't crit after ascension. Thats why.
@@raxu7885 On every other character, building pure atk loses dps vs building elemental/phys/crit damage
Tony To with 200% crit rate: 'YOU'RE SURE 'BOUT THAT?'
Kokomi vs Barbara vs Qiqi DPS showdown when
18:37 Lets just appreciate the fact that he resumed perfectly the Elegy Bow passive for us.
I was cheering for Yoimiya the entire time! you go girll
The highlight of these videos is always how cracked IWTL's amber is.
My Amber is waiting with Cons 5 and a R1 Elegy at October Shop reset =)
Klee isn’t included in this challenge because everyone knows she’s the strongest. Everyone else is fighting for second place.
XD yup
If only that were true
@@Ben-vg6ox she is probably close to Yoimiya tho, at least if you do those charged resets correctly. I have her, but I simply can't do it, so I opted to use Diluc instead, smoother gameplay, and Batman never failed to award me with 36 stars so far.
@@diogoriskalla5138 I'm the opposite, I have both but can only use Klee xD
Copium
What I took away from this:
- Overworld and Abyss are wildly different scenarios and performing well in one means nothing for the other
- if Diluc is the low end these days, Yoimiya is going to be just fine
- Diluc can still clear Abyss competitively, which means anyone who can beat him can't be called trash unless you're a hater
Correct, Toxic haters came from reddit and also from a certain Tenx2 video that produce and harbor these kind of haters.
Well said. Diluc have been carrying me since day1. Didnt even need to pull for Hutao/Yoimiya/Klee for this lmao. 9stars floor 12 never failed till today. If they hate Diluc, thats on them. ez
@@ChiyoTachi Remember that these are full C6 characters which is not what your average player will have.
Did you forget the part where every character in this video is C6?
Plus, r5 freedom sworn kazuha is op af. This vid more like support showcase
honestly, it puts a smile to my face when i see yoimiya win haha,
but you forgot the real test,
*who can kill the pigeons the fastest and gain the most*
Diluc wins in the pigeon department
"I used the birds to destroy the birds"
-wine man
Well, I don't use burst.. Ganyu main for a reason
6:29 hutao really knows how unfair the showdown is
The fun moment when Iwtl's Diluq is stronger than all my characters combined
I feel like I m playing another game without all those high constellations and refinement 5*
This is my biggest pet peeve with Genshin discussions. The only reliable talk about a character's abilities is when it's tested at its absolute peak performance. That means max constellations and refinements. So if you're a f2p, you're basically reduced to he-said, she-said on whether something's good or not
@@martinstephenortiz4628 lemme help you: you can beat childe solo with Barbara.
If your f2p you don't need top be worrying about how fast the peener is on the meters. Just how well you can dodge. And dodging id the same frames for all characters
@@martinstephenortiz4628 i swear its the way people so obsessed with big numbers 😭 a game should be fun and enjoyable, not stressing u out with the dmg output. if u find big dmg is fun thats good for u, if u feel like having decent dmg thats good too! as long as u play it without pressure.
I totally get what you’re saying!! just remember this video is just a showdown. you’re not obligated to do it THIS way when you play genshin, just play with your own style.
I love how he's so respectful to the bosses in the game despite slaughtering them
Not surprised at all and I think that Yomiya's best team comps will take advantage of her high attack speed by using off field supports that attack when your character attacks. One of the other reason's for building a team that way is that all that off field dmg will also proc her burst. So you can do stupid shit like Yomiya, Fischl, Xinqui, Albedo, this is not a viable team unless you're a god at dodging however the sheer amount of procs that take place onscreen is ridiculous.
Idk if many ppl know or remember but Oz can also proc Albedo's E. Overally if you like just seeing huge single numbers which it seems like the vast majority of this playerbase does Yomiya is not for you. If however you like seeing the boss's hp just quickly drain away due to an onslaught of attacks from bought you and your off-field supports you'll probably have some fun with her. I know I certainly have.
Exactly this, my Yoimiya, Albedo, Fischl, Bennett team just breeze thru the abyss. Maybe other teamcomps would do better, but for overload team, my pick is gonna be Yoimiya hands down and I can free my Xingqiu for the other team.
I also really enjoy playing Yoimiya in coop because I can do high dmg and ALSO buff my teammates’ atk and in return they prog my burst which is just super fun - also I did coop with an Albedo main and it was crazy how much Yoimiya profited off of him 10/10
NooO dUdE, sHe cAnT vApe cOnSisTentlY, sHes tRasH, thE mAth dOeSnT liE...
Lol
@@Haze4743 that’s still true tho. it will take significantly more luck with artifacts and investment with talents or weapons or constellations to clear abyss with her single target dmg compared to smt like the national team.
@@Haze4743 hutao and diluc copium
The dawn of the elemental burst is such a good movie, you watch it alot and you never get tired of
Yea true, tho the newly released movie Kazuha Slash of the elemental brust is a really strong contender, despite the cringe title name
@@swordmain1880 true true also planet befall of the elemental burst even tho not many people talks about it, it's easily a gamechanger
@@By-Haven yea, i guess its problably due to the nature of the scene when the movie is released, the reason why not many people talk about it
Dawn of the elemental burst... Lolz....btw hello my pal from telegram if I'm not wrong😂
Not gonna lie, killing dvalin with yoimiya so satisfying
Yup, pfp checks out
Also yea, bow users against dvalin always feel good
killing dvalin with ganyu is also satisfying.
Killing Dvalin in just 1 cycle with any character is satisfying
@@caledokja9236 we aint talking about ganyu, we talking about yoimiya
Diluc still my favorite and I’m not rlly interested in the others cause I don’t like the characters that much lol. Diluc was my first 5* and will forever be my favorite :3
when diluc gets a crit dmg claymore he is going to be cracked af
Crit damage won't help much, he need an actual Claymore with great passive like Homa or Pulse, or even Wgs with a great reworked passive than the shit one it currently has.
if critical damage claymore is a thing, the first character who's gonna broken isn't diluc, it's Eula.
Blackcliff guys?
@@HarDJeFfrcK a five star ⭐️
@@FMBeelz ohh 😓
Poor Diluc lol. Definitely needs a rework of his charged attack passive at the least.
Change to something that will benefit either his skill or burst
5 stars claymores are just can't compete with homa and thundering. Wgs only gives him attack which at somepoint it would get diminishing return. While homa and thundering has different scaling to avoid diminishing return.
Yes, his passive increase the charged atk, but there is no room for using it. Idk what mihoyo thinkin. Just waste of passive slot, just like keqing passive.
Agreed. Should've been on keqing, cause claymore charged attacks are useless.
If anyone needs a rework on anything, then that would be Qiqi...Diluc can wait...
Is it possible that one day you might make a dps showdown with the starter characters? I understand if not, but I just think it would be super interesting to see and I would love to get a glimpse of how they could perform and see them used in an end game setting.
Edit: By starters I mean Kaeya, Amber, Lisa, and also possibly traveller.
you mean in a whaled out setting. starters can be nice to use, kaeya and lisa especially and of course xiangling which is the best one out of the starters.
@@d7omi111 Yes, in a whaled out setting for sure.
@@blahblahsuperanon everyone is good
yes, starter free toon with F2Per obtainable R5 4 stars weapons would be nice. the problem for the 3 starters are, they are harder to get to C6 than 5 stars.
he already showcased Geo Traveler. She almost caught up with melt Ganyu in burst dmg with help of Zhongli and geo resonance.
I love Yoimiya! When she gets a rerun, I'm pulling for C6. I bet by the time she Does come around again, she will have other teammates she can use for even higher damage 💥💥💥
i love her too!!! lost 50/50 to mona sadly on her banner, but with that i got to c2 my hu tao hehe but i will def def pull for her on her rerun
@@sara-eg2sh I hope she gets a rerun sooner than later! To think Childe just had his third 🙄 frustrating
@@oxillerate7992 same i hate childe and seeing him in a banner 3 times im mad
@@sara-eg2sh NO BC SAME
@@ld_rey good luck on her rerun!!
Batman's passive talent and 5 star weapon is pretty meh. Diluc still has huge potential in the future when a crit rate/dmg 5 star Claymore finally comes out 😊
True. I highly doubt he can out dps Hu Tao though. The Staff of Homa is just too good on her and her entire kit is too good against single target enemies. I think Diluc with a 5 star crit claymore could probably be better than Klee maybe?
@@OddWilliam17 Yeah probably. I also think he'd be stronger than a Hu Tao who doesnt have Homa too, since the difference between hutao with homa and hutao without homa is pretty huge
Even if you add a claymore with the same stats as the wgs and 60% crit damage diluc is still slower than them both
@@OddWilliam17 klee is only better than diluc if you play her optimally with her cancels. Diluc already is much more consistent
@@rin9005 not really especially against multiple targets he will easily outshine yoimiya
All they have to do for diluc is make a 5 star weapon specifically for him and change the burst so that it explodes on unstaggerable enemies (dealing some extra damage to compensate le diminished duration) and keep pushing smaller foes in the exact same way it does now.
Ps. Even if diluc deals less damage, I love the sense of strength he conveys. You feel like you are literally bullying enemies. No hate for Hu Tao but she feels like she is tickling enemies with that "weak" charge attack, even if you see 1 million damage on screen. Will always prefer diluc, and I hope they tweak him a little one day
I think Hu Tao feels weak bcuz of the fact she doesn't like fighting, maybe the devs were going for that and accidentally made her op
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That wont help that much, considering the fact that against targets with big healths Diluc falls behind to Hu Tao by A LOT and a little bit far behind to Yoimiya. What proof do I have? Compare Diluc to characters like Ayaka, Eula and Xiao (characters which Hu Tao have similar damage to), and you'll see the result, at C0 with F2P weapon their gap is MUCH bigger than before when you compare them to Diluc
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 I agree, in fact I didn't say that tweaking diluc like that would make him stronger than hu tao (or equal to her). I just think that diluc's burst, if reworked, could increase by a lot his overall dps (especially considering that he can spam it almost non stop). Doing that, and keeping into account the benefits of a claymore user (increased shield breaking and staggering capability) would easily push way more diluc(s) out of the bench imo. A crit rate/crit dmg 5 star claymore on top of that would make things even better. The point of my post was highlighting the fact that diluc could easily be "buffed" and at least pushed back into being relevant, if mihoyo wanted to. That being said, hu tao remains (and most likely would remain anyways) the highest dmg Pyro dps for sure, there's no debate about that.
I thought Wolf's Gravestone was his weapon? anyway diluc feels clunky to me, so unfortunately I'll probably never build him properly
"Only having 1 Refinement 5 Staff of Homa"
Me caressing my 2 Refinement 5 TTDS
Whts ttds
@@prodigyow thrilling tales of dragon slayers
Lol
Wow you must be a giga whale then 😮
@@randspaz9039 ttds is a 3 star weapon. To get r5 on it is easy. U can easily get 3 or 4 R5 ttds.
I enjoy using Diluc the most, his playstyle is complex and I like it and another reason why Diluc took longer to defeat every boss is because his scalings are a bit low but he can clear everything in game, and another thing that no one can change is, HE IS THE STRONGEST PYRO CHARACTER IN LORE ;)
Well, I thought I was a Diluc fan until I realized I'm supposed to be farming Crimson Witch every single day. Sorry, Diluc, I clearly don't deserve you. He may be slow, but still one of my favorites. It just gives me a little more time to enjoy bonking things in style.
Honestly any Pyro character mains knows how painful farming Crimson witch set is , but when you do get a good piece , it feels like heaven
I'm not even a Pyro main but that things a bitch, idk why I'm even farming it even tho I already have a Shimenawa Set for Hu Tao
I have the same hassle but trice with yoimiya,hu tao and diluc
@@GaleBlaze yeah that domain deserves a nerf i have much more fun farming on he cryo one than the pyro
We're forgetting hes a claymore user. They are much more slower plus he doesnt have a tailored weapon. I hope mihoyo buffed him
I still love my diluc no matter what even tho I own everyone in the game
sameeeee
i dont own everyone but same.
I like him so much since he stayed with me since I got him
Bruh, It is almost a year since the first time I owning him.
at the end of the video when he shows them being used properly in the abyss all the pyro dps perform very much similarly so there is no point in being sad. imo diluc is satisfying because he smashes things with a claymore and tosses enemies around because his smashes are so devastating.
his ult get clowned on because of the long animation but its super stylish and cool. im pretty sure people that min max would rather his ult have no animation at all just to eek out more dps but at the end of the day this is just a casual pve game. animations>dps.
The amount of effort put in this video is simply amazing. You even put the TLDR for Elegy at 18:40
it's for nothing tho, since he can't toggle off constellations for the 98% of the average players cuz at C0 F2p Diluc is better than both :D
@@GeneralAlex fact. + u can get more of his dupes as you lose 50/50. ezzzzzz
@@GeneralAlex in my experience it wasn't that clear cut
@@rust8995 my Hu Tao is as invested as Diluc. She even have a crowned AA and ES with DM she has 200% crit dmg and 61% crit rate and I tell you that they are the same except Hu Tao had downtime and lives at the edge.
Poor John lee, he has to be a shield bot for everyone
Have to take note: Yoimiya's team in Abyss 12-1 had Kazuha dealing 11.8k Overload damage + 6.7k Swirls in AoE. Basically, in all the floors, the team had the advantage of insane AoE swirl damage and chain reactions thanks to Kazuha. Of course, let's not forget the R5 Freedom-sword Sword :3
take note: best team to give in each PYRO DPS.
It is a shame that Kazuha isn't included in Hutao's best team...oh wait there is no 5th slot.
Kazuha doing no dmg, its all yoimiya dps
Thats how you build good teams if your DPS is single target focussed you either make her so strong that she defeats everything super fast one by one or you add AOE character.
That is a lot of damage but oh wait....
*H U T A O A N D D I L U C W O U L D U S E H I M A S W E L L*
I think Freedom Sworn Kazuha would've boosted Diluc more than Bennett here, since WGS is atk overload already.
this is probly true tho. especially since diluc has such high base attack alrdy.
Maybe he has c6 Bennett? The pyro damage% on Bennett's ult would probably help bridge the gap, although c2 Kazuha gives a chonky EM to boost Vape so idk, Kazuha might be better.
@@christopher6600 he for sure has c6 bennet
@@christopher6600 but ya c2 kazuha gives alot of elemental damage
Diluc's down side in this is that his burst is not a single hit damage and it's animation casting time.
But those are also two things I like about him so a few seconds of animation doesn't bother me.. hehe
the only downside to his burst is pushing enemies away honestly
@@sleepiestbro but it only push small enemies, and because it pushes them they end up getting all the ticks of his burst.. if it did staggered and pushes larger enemies as well or if it didn't pass through large enemies it would be better...
It doesn’t matter if it bothers you or not the point is it’s a hit to his dps due to being in the animation for so long. Which for the sake of comparing dps is a bad thing.
@@sleepiestbro nah it freakin kills them before they even reach the end and even if it pushes them it's not that big of an matter uk instead of yoimiya who Focused on single target dps diluc is amazingly good at single target and as well as multiple enemies
@@shardullad394 Diluc has one of the biggest AoE Burst in Genshin, that's I like about him.
I never see comments about this, so I’m making one. The editing in all of these videos is SO good, and it takes a long time to do. Thank you, for taking the time to make good quality videos for us all this time :)
Honestly I’m happy I got yoimiya, I don’t have hu Tao and I need a main dps for all the shit ayaka struggles with. I do really wish they would buff her burst, I wanna use her as a melt support for my ayaka but for now she is going to be my alternate dps for things with immunity/high res to ice.
they are both really good together though. drop ayaka's ult and let yoimiya go ham when her E is up. You can get up to 100k normal attack damage with melts
Yoimiyas burst is really good with ayaka since it’s a support burst
@@exosfanboy8465 yeah but that's literally for like 5 seconds
@@Indivinity wich is more than enough for nuking mobs, at least it is better than staying with ayaka after her burst unless u have C6 ayaka for her 300% charge multiplier
@@user-yk7vr3ve9b even that 300% multiplier is only once every 10 seconds iirc
Now this is some good contents I enjoyed every seconds of this! Thank you for doing all these interesting runs and showing us the results.
I just can't imagine the time and efforts u been put to this with so much rng going on.
I think characters like Fishl C6/Baal would be best to support Yoimiya. Theirs attacks join AA, and Overload keeps Yoi safe distant as well as dmg a little AOE. Not to mention C6 Yoimiya has extra attacks registered as AA
Proud to say yoimiya main here, To be honest when the video said Yoimiya vs Diluc vs Hu tao the first thing came to my mind is "oh hu tao will win" 🤣
Very nice showcase, and this is definitely interesting to watch, but I feel like this isn’t going to be helpful for the vast majority of the playerbase who don’t have the funds to get C6 of 5*s and R5 on their 5* weapons. I think maybe a comparison between c0 and r1 characters would be interesting, though
It definitely isn't. It's just for show. Characters at C6 feel entirely different from their C0 counterparts.
@@LunaBlanche7328 Some do, but I would argue Diluc doesn’t really feel any different c6 to c0 except that he’s stronger.
Just scale it down.. it won’t be that much different in terms of who wins
@@LunaBlanche7328 yes
Especially hutao
Her c6 allows huge nuking potential but only in 10 seconds
Plus hutao has stamina problems if not managed properly with out c1
Yoimiya constellations also buff her damage by quite a lot too especially c2 and c6
this is why he has the disclaimer at the beginning of the video
Love how Yoimiya and Hu Tao are just vibing and then Diluc is just grunting and putting in all his might 💀
Not a diluc user here (I kinda don’t like using him), but in diluc’s defense, he is a much more consistent dps compared to the other two, especially c6 hu tao. Each character has their own strong suits, and a few seconds difference in a boss fight won’t make the world’s difference :)
Right! Even my dilucs still clearing abyss with good supports
Diluc is still worse than hu tao tho in all the content, so whats ur point ?
@@IamAmygdala didn’t the person literally just mention that Diluc is more consistent than the others 🤨 You poor thing, do you not know how to read :(
@@lol-gy9pj no
@@lol-gy9pj i was referring to the second part of his comment where he says 'they each have their strongsuits' but hu tao is better than diluc against literally EVERYTHING so his comment didnt make sense.
best thing about yoimiya is you can spam basic attack with zhongli's shield and not need to move
I have no regrets building both my Yoimiya and Hu Tao. Still trying to wish for Yoimiya's BiS weapon but being a low spender makes it close to impossible. I got lucky and was able to pull Staff of Homa for my Hu Tao.
If you have R5 Rust its pretty close to her banner weapon actually, unlike Homa which is vastly better than any other alternative. Its still fine to pull for it if you like it, but weapon banner can be a real trap, so if you're low spender I don't recommend doing it. You get Rust pretty regularly from just pulling on characters banners, so eventually you gonna R5 it just by playing.
The Amos arrow is just as good if not better !
@@canhnguyen-uj6ox My Rust is currently R4 and my 5th hit no reaction or buff goes up to 23k which I think is not bad at all~
@@ndragon1234 not better or just as good, it is the second BiS but thundering is clearly better
Considering weapon, animation times, and playstyles, Diluc performed amazingly well imo~
On the Primogeo, Yoimiya could've had the same clear time as Hu Tao when you triggered the Shime set properly. You used burst, which drained her energy then used her E. And we all know there's a +50% damage increase on your normal attacks when you use the character's E.
He was with 2pc crimson 2pc shimenawa. I thiught the same and then read the title of yoimiya at the bottom
When it comes to advantage it’s Yomiya..she has a better range and doesn’t charge like other archers…but when it comes to actual dps I’m for hu tao
Plus yoimiya doesn’t drain her own health
We don't need to care about health when we had GEO daddy
@@Syhyronica That's called skill
@@evilmiyoho6742 it is until corrosion comes knocking at the door
@@Syhyronica Kuki Shinobu: 🫣
I obviously knew Hu Tao was gonna win but all three did amazing. Thank you for the showcase IWTL.
Man we need a 5* claymore with crit damage, want to see some nutty dmg from claymore characters
I agree, claymore's currently have the worst 5 star options available. Swords use to be similar but they got jade cutter before and mistsplitter recently. Polearms have staff of homa and jade spear. The bow's are really good since we have Amos which is great for charged attacks and skyward harp and the one on Yoimiya's banner (forgot the name). Catalyst's have lost prayers.
All weapon types have great 5 star crit options except for Claymores.
@@cuppu4525 Well we have Redhorn now... Just not for ATK scaling DPS.
@@redace4821 That is literally only good for 2 people, one of which isnt a dps till c6
Imagine how strong yoimiya would be is she can vape every attack
“Wait till you see how Amber carries Hu Tao” is a sentence I never thought I would hear unironically.
only from a giga whale
you should do more speedrunning content. its a part of the game im not even remotely whaled enough to experience but it could be seriously interesting to watch both your own runs and breakdowns >-
Yoimiya is surprisingly competitive in the Abyss, though you could also say that Kazuha is OP.
I run that Yoimiya team with Klee instead of Yoimiya and it also absolutely slaps.
Yes, I was quite surprised that she lacks AOE but she shits harder than a lot of DPS and can take them down fast one by one. She works well with an AOE character to damage them slowly and then she finishes them off fast.
Insert a dps, add bennet kazuha and zhongli, congratulations your dps now slaps
@@michaeltony7562
Bruh, when I saw Hu Tao gets Amber as her support in the Abyss, that's when I know this video is a joke.
@@spookyscarylamppost3431 yea lol this comparison was so skewed towards yoi lol
@@spookyscarylamppost3431 what is Hi Tao's other option as a replacement to amber? The next thing would be Albedo but it is still arguable if Albedo would br a better support than IWinToLose's Amber with all those buffs.
Hu Tao cant leverage Bennett and Kazuha so she doesnt have that many options.
Pyro dps showdown letsgooo! Love your content man, keep it up!
D'Valin: FEAR ME MORTALS
*starts getting wrecked*
Also D'Valin: what the fuck
A 5 star claymore with a crit damage substat would be interesting
Diluc's claymore makes him a lil slow, but ngl he ain't weak
I rarely use my Hu Tao as she is my assassin. I use her when I really need to kill someone wuick as possible and this showdowns shows it.
Thank you for posting this lol. Because I have decent builds for both my hu tao and my yoimiya but I was looking for build videos to see if there was anything I could improve and this helped a lot lol
I don't know if ppl realize but as a fischl dps main, yoimiya's dps is very high for a single target eg. my ganyu can make 30-40k dmg per charge and my poorly build yoimiya can make like 10k per shot (these both w buff)
Nice, my white tassel hu tao does 15 k per charged attack without buffs
I can feel dilucs pain on this video without even starting it
I can see that diluc problem might be that he needs to use his ult to be pyro infused taking like 2 sec of time for only that, while the others just tap his e and begin to attack. But at least he can be permanent pyro with enough er(?)
@@JoseFerreira-nk5kq diluc will still make a better dps doing consistent vape/melt and aoe dmg, the best way to compare them is to do abyss run and see who clears faster, for me it was hu tao> xiangling>diluc>yoimiya so it’s better if you try it for yourself
@@akutenshi6946 hm but didn't he do an abyss 12 run and show that both hutao and yoimiya cleared it faster than diluc? I'd say it's more like hutao>xiangling>yoimiya>diluc. Xiangling could pull ahead of Hutao if you have the national team too.
idk just my opinion but I can understand what you're saying about the consistent reactions.
@@akutenshi6946 Did you not watch the video???
@@TerraTheWise yoimiya got caried by her team in abyss
Good vid as always, also massive thanks for the 12-1 strat, not that I can't clear it but the strat help me do it very consistently around 30-40s. About Yoimiya, I agree that she is not "bad, trash", she is just not OP. Also, I think her design, while still have alot of room for improvement, it specifically targets a specific group of player: mobile, casual, non-tryhard, etc. At the end of the day, a unit is a product and by no mean Mihoyo has to always cater to meta players, that something for everyone to keep in mind.
“The Dawn Of The Elemental Burst” is imprinted in my brain now