Perfect Visual Canon back in Trek? - Section 31
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They got the warp effect right for the D. Titan had the Disco-A look. Viewscreen filters?
Indeed, they had 2 versions of that shot, one was almost perfect and if i recall the other was less.
Titan had the more Disco style.
In-Universe, the Ent D would use old warp drive tech, so Titan "could" use newer warp drive tech VS say the SNW Enterprise but... that is unlikely given the ultra consistent look of warp between races/years.
Viewscreen filters ha... thats a new one
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@@SGUDistantHope Both versions of the opening shot of Picard's finale used the classic TNG era warp effect, well, Nemesis warp effect, the stars lacked the spectrum coloring of TNG, instead had the white stars like Nemesis. The "EU" version of the shot wasn't quite finished, but it had a more classic pan feel to it, while the official release shot was due to them deciding to release the last 2 episodes in theaters and wanted a more theatrical shot.
@@ChrissonatorOFL Thats what i meant, the Nemisis style, not quite perfect :)
I know all about the not quite finished (but more Trek feeling) Shot.
@@SGUDistantHope I think the Nemesis warp-effect is the best of them all so I was very happy to see it in Picard 🥳😁
@@elendil95 Fair enough! I think it removes a sence of "scope and scale" sicne you can see the phenominon (Nebula) your warping fast, this makes the visuals feel "small" as you see it all.
Versus...you go into a self contained part of subspace and then leave, BAM your somewhere else.
TNG-Voyager is definitely my favorite warp effect. Not only the actual being IN warp but the burst after they enter warp.
Mine too its got that little growl when the Nacelles articulate
I think Enterprise retconned the warp effect for TOS, since TOS simply had randomly floating dots going past, which were a little more uniform in direction in the remastering.
Yep! Into a Mirror Darkly retconned it as the same visual canon from Pre-NX - Nemesis'.
My favorite warp effect is from TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and Lower Decks. I’d like to see them go back and do that same warp effect for TOS, TAS, all the movies, and the new streaming shows from 2017 going forward. That would bring visual continuity to the Star Trek universe, literally.
Lower Decks used both the warp star flare and correct in-warp look of the stars, no?
Yep! But that show was made by a Trekie and cannon loving showrunner.
This is a reflection of LIVE ACTION Trek and a comparison with the other live action Treks of the last 15 years who have done "other" effects for Warp.
The classic effect was awesome. And was interesting in Star Trek section 31
Best warp effect is the first one in TWOK. That's a fact!
With Picard, they were just anamorphic flares, which didn't really bother me. I just wish the Enterprise D was given the TNG flare, which I'm told was pushed, but stopped.
Greatest film ever made!!!
Something I've wondered about: when an aircraft exceeds the speed of sound, it generally produces a shockwave known as a sonic boom. So, in Star Trek, when a ship exceeds the speed of light, is that flash of light supposed to be a sort of 'luminal' boom? And if so, would someone observing a passing ship at warp see the same 'luminal boom'?
In Star Trek the ship never exceeds the speed of light. The warp field compresses space in front of the ship and expands space behind the ship. The ship itself travels through space at sub-luminal velocities, however.
I don't recall their ever being an on-screen explanation for the warp flash, but it's reasonable to assume that the flash you see when they come out of warp is particle radiation that had been caught in the field and "bunched up" in the compressed region of space being released all at once. If you were able to create a warp bubble in real life, this would happen (and it would be very dangerous in real life. A superluminal warp field could potentially sterilize an entire star system with a radiation burst on-par with a gamma ray burst if the front of the field wasn't deenergized properly while exiting warp).
I can't think of any reason why the warp bubble would emit a flash while entering warp. And if it does emit a flash, it should look different than the flash it emits while exiting.
@ the real question is why does it make a “boom” sound?
I did notice it, and I felt it fit right in with the time period of the movie. lol
They got that right. Now, if they can only explain WHY every single civilian ship and the space station are all seen warping away simultaneously.
They get it right on this monstrosity/ vomit fest of a ‘movie’ could be last Trek ‘movie’ for a while or ever ??
Hope they can remaster/edit out old awful Star Wars hyperspace warp effect and replace it with classic Trek Warp effects
Wasn't the TOS movies warp effect completely different LOL
The movie takes place in the early 24th century. 2324
No in fact, the warp stars was almost the same, its just the ship "at warp" had blue/red Streaks. We have no idea how long this continued to be a "thing" in tech.
No, we see the exterior of the Enterprise at warp en-route to Regula One in ST 2. We see the Excelsior at warp in the Undiscovered Country. The star streak effect is also shown on the viewscreen for the Enterprise-A on its way to Khitomer.
@@wuushew Yea, Trek warp has never been consistent even in the original movies, etc. Excelsior has little dots going by, Enterprise has streaking stars. TMP and TWOK had little dots going by. ST3 just had fast flybys of the Enterprise.
@@ChrissonatorOFL I am actually more interested in the visual effect of sub-warp in Star Trek 2 and 3. For instance there is visual star field motion when the Enterprise is ambushed by the Reliant that is flat out declared to be at low impulse speeds in spoken dialogue. Not the clear warp streaking either but somewhat an homage of visual look of many exterior TOS shots. I also wonder if the Enterprise is traveling at impulse in the few hours before reaching Spacedock after the intro credits. The warp chillers are not illuminated blue and the star field has a random and rotation look dissimilar to proper warp star streaking. We still see the classic warp streak in Star Trek 3 after Commander Kruge obtains the genesis plans and sets course for the Mutura sector.
Not much of a fan of the 1990's visual design language and I don't mind them exploring for something "sensitively" updated that isn't Hyperspace.
A little bit of a red/blue shift is nice I feel.
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Really not a big fan of some of these overdone, generic sci-fi warp effects we recently got. Would be so easy to just go for the old style, idk what the people in charge thought was wrong with it...
I wouldn’t congratulate these people for anything… Paramount has mishandled this franchise into irrelevance.
an effects shot that could be interpreted as "the designer might have seen this somewhere before" isnt exactly a display of skill or attention to detail on the productions side
I dont think there's any harm in handing it to them when they get something right. Its encouraged and makes the critisisms more legitimate in my eyes
Not just saying this to be a contrarian (because I hated this movie,show, piolet abomination) but I love that I can watch my nerd brothers just seeking out on the most tiny of manusha that actually means a lot and make this 45 year old nerd feel happiness in a warp effect or anything cool about any Trek no matter how it's received.
You guys make me remember why I love Trek and that is the tiny details that make it fun to talk about.
Also last thing and only good thing about S31 was the old rarely seen races like the half white/black species, and I hope they can have that continue if we get future Trek.
It says how little of note this movie was, that this is such a stand out effect lol.
It was just an awful show. Nothing trek about it