Congratulations on the video! Very good! I have a question: you talked about recording RodeVideoMicroPro directly on the DSLR camera. However, I can use the microphone directly on the Zoom H6, right? connecting to input P2 where the XY recorder is located. That's right? I await: D
Yes. There is a 3.5mm input on the rear of the XY capsule that the VideoMic Pro can connect. The quality from recording a VideoMic Pro into the H6 vs directly into a DSLR isn't that different, BUT having the flexibility to record without being tethered to the camera can be helpful.
@@ShaunHautly Thank you for answering me! It is because I do a post-production with all the separate audios (of the voice, of the instrument) also synchronizing with 2 cameras, that's why the question. Thank you!
It's interesting becuase there's a lower noise floor with the videomic but the ntg4 does have a crisper sound. You may just have to adjust your pre amp. But for most hobbiests the video mic is all you need.
The ntg4 sounds way more sensitive so is picking up a lot more of the room in this example. In my opinion because the room sounds untreated and there are a lot of room reflections the more sensitive ntg4 is less flattering even though it is clearly better detailed and more crisp and clear. In a more controlled environment it would most surely outperform the the video mic pro.
That's a good point. Since making this video I've learned a lot more about mics. The simple difference between the length of the shotguns in this untreated space has a lot to do with why certain things sound muddier or more pronounced. I don't use either of these mics anymore, but still have similar choices to make every time I film. Thanks for the comment!
agreed with your assessment that videomic pro is a bit muddy. I prefer the NTG4, sounds clearer, which is important for vocals. Don't need a fake bassy voice, like the broadcaster type voice.
Since recording this, I’ve learned a lot more about these mics. I still dislike the VMP, but the NTG4 gets really muddy in any room that has hard walls. Small offices are terrible. I’ve switched to a RODE NT5 for most of my indoor audio for interviews. Very clear and bright.
Yeah, there's a handful of mics that I should have included. I regret not throwing the Deity mics in here, too. A lot has changed since I made this one! I'm always shocked it still gets views.
Though my video focuses on zoom settings with XLR microphones and not powered mics like the RODE Video Mic Pro. The advantage of the Video Mic Pro is that you can plug it directly into your camera without needing the Phantom Power from a Zoom.
I would say the Blimp isn’t necessary for indoor filming. If you’ve added the high frequency boost, I’d say run it flat (NO EQ) without the blimp! This will give you a better sound. You can run a wireless system with the RODE NTG4+ because it has a built in lithium battery 👌🏻I’d definitely encourage you to check it out! Thanks for the review
"No issues?" Maybe. Depends on a few things. How close the two people are (and therefor how close the mic can be to both of their mouths), and how much background noise there is. Since it's a directional mic, your best bet may be to put it out in front of them, pointing at both of them. Putting it above them may result in a lot of frequencies being lost. Test it! Put the mic somewhere and stand on either side of it and talk like you're both people, moving back and forth, then listen to it and decide for yourself. Good luck!
I have a few friends who have the + version. They love it. Same mic, just without phantom power. Just make sure that you monitor your audio if you’re not sure on the battery charge. Having the battery die in the middle of recording is a subtle problem to notice without active monitoring. So be careful with the “set it and forget it” approach. Let me know how you like it!
The NTG4 has a TON of flexibility in post to bring up the bass and reduce the "tin." A Rode VMP into the camera vs an NTG4 into a recorder (mine is the zoom) is the equivalent of editing a JPEG or editing a RAW photo. There's so much data and range captured by the NTG4 that only comes alive once you mess with it a little bit.
Lol, the NTG4 isn't tinny, it has clarity and is clear and is probably a much more accurate replication of how Shaun sounds in real life. The VMP is just muddy and can't handle the low end well, which makes the NTG4 sound tinnier in comparison.
I have on occasion, but it's often too much of a hassle to hide well for something I never use. Someone on my team is monitoring the audio so if there are any issues with the shotgun, we'd know about them and wouldn't have to use a backup later on. I do use Lavs when I'm filming someone who's moving around a lot.
@@divinityvrms6743 Oh, I don't have the NTG4+, just the NTG4 (no battery power option), so I can't use a cable like that as my camera doesn't supply phantom power. So I usually run them right into a Zoom F4. Also, the camera inputs are often stereo and the cables that connect via XLR don't always work going from a mono signal to a stereo input. I'd double check that it works before taking it to a client.
@@divinityvrms6743 Sony just released the www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1494691-REG/sony_xlr_k3m_xlr_adapter_kit.html/DFF/d10-v21-t1-x976801/SID/EZ that is a tad expensive, but looks like it solves all your problems with a lot more flexibility.
I agree. I made this 3-4 years ago. I’ve since added quite some lighting to the kit. If I had known this video would still be watched years later, I probably would have changed a LOT about it. Ha!
It is NOT necessary for audio recording. I use it as a monitor (to see my frame when filming myself) but it also can record from the sensor with less compression than my Sony A7Sii has when I record internally. Conveniently, it can accept an audio source as well. So I take my Audio Recorder (which IS necessary if your camera doesn't have XLR inputs, which my Sony A7Sii does not) and connect it to the Atomos so that I have a single file in the Atomos with the video from my camera and the audio from my Audio Recorder (I use the Zoom h6). Does that explain it better or is that just more confusing?
Are you watching/listening on a tablet or a phone, or do you have good speakers hooked up. That makes a big difference and proves the point that if most of your audience watches on portable devices, you can get away with a lot more microphones without anyone noticing a quality deficit.
i heard that the ntg4 is better using it in post, without post the videomic pro sounds better in my opinion, it's also more pricy so it should be! Once editing it in post i heard from people it has not as much workspace and information as the ntg 4, do you have any experience with this?
I agree completely. I think that was my main takeaway from the video. For client work, if they don’t have the budget to really optimize audio, then I use the VMP, but if they want to do things right, I always go NTG3 (or NTG4, but lately I’ve been sticking to the NTG3. I acquired it after I made this video, though).
I think the NTG2 needs phantom power which will not make it through that adapter. If you had a powered mic like the NTG4+, it might work, but I haven’t personally tried that setup.
Depends on the gig. I use the low cut when it's windy out, and I drop the DBs when I'm filming at a concert or something. There's no single set of patterns that I always use.
@@ShaunHautly sorry, what I meant to ask is what pattern were you using for this video? would it not make a difference in sound comparing it to the other mic?
@@actorboy381 Good question, I understand now. I wish I had taken more time to get more of the details together when I shot this. If I redid it, I'd do it differently. Both mics are a hypercardioid pattern, but I couldn't tell you if I was cutting out the low end on either mic.
I have a few. I'm mostly using the Manfrotto BeFree Video head tripod. It's SO tiny. It's so light. It's not the most sturdy thing, but if you're on solid ground, you can't tell. I also have a Manfrotto 055 Carbon Fiber tripod with a beefier head on it. That's my big guy.
It's great mic. Exact same sound as the NTG4, just without the need for phantom power from the recorder. MOST people I know have the NTG4+ because it makes your recorder's batteries last longer. I have so many mics that don't have a battery option that I always plan for phantom. It's 100% a workflow preference. No audio difference.
Raj Zeef you’re welcome. But I have noticed that I’ve been getting a lot of radio interference in the VideoMic Pro for the past few weeks. Maybe the newer version has addressed this.
Great video. The concern here is about what kind of a professional you are. Audio technicians cannot work well with video equipment like camera technicians. You could compare the video mic to an Iphone cam and the ntg 4 to a dslr. Ntg 4+ has built in phantom power, but the 4 is better because there is less risk of damage to internal electronics of the mics' built in add on chargeable battery (4+).Yes you need an interface because you record Hi end audio on ntg 4. There are cool interfaces of Behringer for about 30$ or you could also purchase a zoom h6 from olx or other used gear classifieds.
I keep finding a lot of producers who understand audio, or at least have some default setting memorized. They're creating decent stuff, especially when its final destination is online consumption.
@@KimochJesper It depends on the camera and its audio capabilities. Canon DSLRs have historically bad sound processing, but all of them are getting better. As a gross generalization, for most projects that you'd be shooting primarily with a DSLR, directly connecting will be fine. For most people, for RUclips, for viewing on devices, no one is ever going to notice the difference between DSLR recording and using a dedicated audio recorder.
@@KimochJesper The pin of NTG 4+ is an XLR and the DSLR will have 1/4 inch TRS input. The NTG 4+ although do not require phantom power will require a suitable connector to record into a dslr. Moreover, you never know if the audio that comes out as mono would be recorded as stereo on the dslr. It would be wise to keep the audio recording and video separate for quality production. You could record on Zoom h5 or your laptop + audio interface with the NTG4+ and sync with video captured on your DSLR.
Yall i made a Tascam/Rode review for "dumbasses"...basically if youre new to filmmaking and want to know the basics of how this equipment works...go ahead and check it out. Why not? Its free lol
The audio is clipping.
I know.
And the video is underexposed. And you're using a blimp indoors. And the audio is clipping.
@@gdmchn Savagely honest. Haha
Also focus is not on point it is focused on the not exposed eye
Congratulations on the video! Very good! I have a question: you talked about recording RodeVideoMicroPro directly on the DSLR camera. However, I can use the microphone directly on the Zoom H6, right? connecting to input P2 where the XY recorder is located. That's right? I await: D
Yes. There is a 3.5mm input on the rear of the XY capsule that the VideoMic Pro can connect. The quality from recording a VideoMic Pro into the H6 vs directly into a DSLR isn't that different, BUT having the flexibility to record without being tethered to the camera can be helpful.
@@ShaunHautly Thank you for answering me! It is because I do a post-production with all the separate audios (of the voice, of the instrument) also synchronizing with 2 cameras, that's why the question. Thank you!
It's interesting becuase there's a lower noise floor with the videomic but the ntg4 does have a crisper sound. You may just have to adjust your pre amp. But for most hobbiests the video mic is all you need.
This video is way to underexposed
I'm just assuming it's for dramatic effect.
@@mistermarkdavis VERY Dramatic....
The ntg4 sounds way more sensitive so is picking up a lot more of the room in this example. In my opinion because the room sounds untreated and there are a lot of room reflections the more sensitive ntg4 is less flattering even though it is clearly better detailed and more crisp and clear. In a more controlled environment it would most surely outperform the the video mic pro.
That's a good point. Since making this video I've learned a lot more about mics. The simple difference between the length of the shotguns in this untreated space has a lot to do with why certain things sound muddier or more pronounced. I don't use either of these mics anymore, but still have similar choices to make every time I film. Thanks for the comment!
@@ShaunHautly That's absolutely true. Always keep learning and improving right? :)
agreed with your assessment that videomic pro is a bit muddy. I prefer the NTG4, sounds clearer, which is important for vocals. Don't need a fake bassy voice, like the broadcaster type voice.
Since recording this, I’ve learned a lot more about these mics. I still dislike the VMP, but the NTG4 gets really muddy in any room that has hard walls. Small offices are terrible. I’ve switched to a RODE NT5 for most of my indoor audio for interviews. Very clear and bright.
Might want to consider a Sennheiser MKE 600.
Yeah, there's a handful of mics that I should have included. I regret not throwing the Deity mics in here, too. A lot has changed since I made this one! I'm always shocked it still gets views.
@@ShaunHautly What’s a deity mic you recommend?
Researching The NTG4+ right now and the test was very helpful! Thank you :-)
Great to hear!
Can you do a tutorial on setting audio levels.
On the zoom h6? Or more general guidelines?
colonelshaun H4n Zoom Pro & Rode VIdeo Mic Pro +.
I finally did a video on this! ruclips.net/video/jvaLKs0XjFc/видео.html
Though my video focuses on zoom settings with XLR microphones and not powered mics like the RODE Video Mic Pro. The advantage of the Video Mic Pro is that you can plug it directly into your camera without needing the Phantom Power from a Zoom.
I would say the Blimp isn’t necessary for indoor filming. If you’ve added the high frequency boost, I’d say run it flat (NO EQ) without the blimp! This will give you a better sound.
You can run a wireless system with the RODE NTG4+ because it has a built in lithium battery 👌🏻I’d definitely encourage you to check it out! Thanks for the review
could I use the rode videomic pro in the middle of two people talking and pick them both up with no issue or would I need two mics one per person?
"No issues?" Maybe. Depends on a few things. How close the two people are (and therefor how close the mic can be to both of their mouths), and how much background noise there is. Since it's a directional mic, your best bet may be to put it out in front of them, pointing at both of them. Putting it above them may result in a lot of frequencies being lost. Test it! Put the mic somewhere and stand on either side of it and talk like you're both people, moving back and forth, then listen to it and decide for yourself. Good luck!
@@ShaunHautly Good deal they are about 1 foot apart with no background noise. Ill give it a try. Keep up the good work.
There's an NTG4+ that has the power for phantom provided by the battery. That's the one I plan on purchasing
I have a few friends who have the + version. They love it. Same mic, just without phantom power. Just make sure that you monitor your audio if you’re not sure on the battery charge. Having the battery die in the middle of recording is a subtle problem to notice without active monitoring. So be careful with the “set it and forget it” approach. Let me know how you like it!
Definately! Valid point. Didn't think about that. Thanks for the heads up!
colonelshaun full battery lasts 150hrs. Flashing red light
The VMP sounds warmer but I agree, the NTG 4+ is clearer but tinny. Thank you for the test. :-)
The NTG4 has a TON of flexibility in post to bring up the bass and reduce the "tin." A Rode VMP into the camera vs an NTG4 into a recorder (mine is the zoom) is the equivalent of editing a JPEG or editing a RAW photo. There's so much data and range captured by the NTG4 that only comes alive once you mess with it a little bit.
Lol, the NTG4 isn't tinny, it has clarity and is clear and is probably a much more accurate replication of how Shaun sounds in real life. The VMP is just muddy and can't handle the low end well, which makes the NTG4 sound tinnier in comparison.
why don't you use a lav on your talent as a backup?
I have on occasion, but it's often too much of a hassle to hide well for something I never use. Someone on my team is monitoring the audio so if there are any issues with the shotgun, we'd know about them and wouldn't have to use a backup later on. I do use Lavs when I'm filming someone who's moving around a lot.
theres a simple xlr to minni plug cable that solves the ntg4 problem instantly lol...goes right from the ntg4 to the camera mini input
Only if it's the NTG4+, if it's not battery powered the cable doesn't supply phantom.
@@ShaunHautly right, thats the one i was talking about
@@divinityvrms6743 Oh, I don't have the NTG4+, just the NTG4 (no battery power option), so I can't use a cable like that as my camera doesn't supply phantom power. So I usually run them right into a Zoom F4. Also, the camera inputs are often stereo and the cables that connect via XLR don't always work going from a mono signal to a stereo input. I'd double check that it works before taking it to a client.
@@ShaunHautly ive got a sony a7r2 and im looking for a hot shoe mount that will work with this mic but i want it to be a 2 point support one
@@divinityvrms6743 Sony just released the www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1494691-REG/sony_xlr_k3m_xlr_adapter_kit.html/DFF/d10-v21-t1-x976801/SID/EZ that is a tad expensive, but looks like it solves all your problems with a lot more flexibility.
can i use rodes ntg 4 plus for recording violin viola celo piano in an orchestra
You could. Depending on the room, it may not be the BEST choice, but it'll record the sound, yes.
You need to use more light
I agree. I made this 3-4 years ago. I’ve since added quite some lighting to the kit. If I had known this video would still be watched years later, I probably would have changed a LOT about it. Ha!
I thought the ntg4 was a outside mic
@Kelly Marie hehehe
So is this Atamos Ninja thingy necessary?
It is NOT necessary for audio recording. I use it as a monitor (to see my frame when filming myself) but it also can record from the sensor with less compression than my Sony A7Sii has when I record internally. Conveniently, it can accept an audio source as well. So I take my Audio Recorder (which IS necessary if your camera doesn't have XLR inputs, which my Sony A7Sii does not) and connect it to the Atomos so that I have a single file in the Atomos with the video from my camera and the audio from my Audio Recorder (I use the Zoom h6). Does that explain it better or is that just more confusing?
@@ShaunHautly not really sounds a lot of option but raw file is best
For me Both microphones sound same
Are you watching/listening on a tablet or a phone, or do you have good speakers hooked up. That makes a big difference and proves the point that if most of your audience watches on portable devices, you can get away with a lot more microphones without anyone noticing a quality deficit.
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i heard that the ntg4 is better using it in post, without post the videomic pro sounds better in my opinion, it's also more pricy so it should be! Once editing it in post i heard from people it has not as much workspace and information as the ntg 4, do you have any experience with this?
I agree completely. I think that was my main takeaway from the video. For client work, if they don’t have the budget to really optimize audio, then I use the VMP, but if they want to do things right, I always go NTG3 (or NTG4, but lately I’ve been sticking to the NTG3. I acquired it after I made this video, though).
wow the ntg4 sounds sooooo much cleaner brighter better =)
Just wait until you hear an NTG3!
what do you think about i buy zoom h1n and rode ntg2 with 3.5mm to xlr adapter? Is it work well?
I think the NTG2 needs phantom power which will not make it through that adapter. If you had a powered mic like the NTG4+, it might work, but I haven’t personally tried that setup.
where do you get the table tie thingies that are on your wrist?
Those are ThinkTank Whips. You can get them on Amazon. Here's my referral link if you'd like to use it: geni.us/Eq9rqJd
where did you get the hat? looks cool
Thanks! All my hats are from Coal Headwear in Seattle. coalheadwear.com
@@ShaunHautly Very cool, thanks!
Great content and useful advice. Thanks for sharing!
What pattern are you using on the NTG4? You didn't mention that...
Depends on the gig. I use the low cut when it's windy out, and I drop the DBs when I'm filming at a concert or something. There's no single set of patterns that I always use.
@@ShaunHautly sorry, what I meant to ask is what pattern were you using for this video? would it not make a difference in sound comparing it to the other mic?
@@actorboy381 Good question, I understand now. I wish I had taken more time to get more of the details together when I shot this. If I redid it, I'd do it differently. Both mics are a hypercardioid pattern, but I couldn't tell you if I was cutting out the low end on either mic.
You need the NTG4+.
Now that I've upgraded to the F4 and added a few other mics to my kit, I'm always using Phantom Power, so the NTG4+ wouldn't be that helpful.
this was useful :) thanks for sharing your experience
what is your model of the tripod?
I have a few. I'm mostly using the Manfrotto BeFree Video head tripod. It's SO tiny. It's so light. It's not the most sturdy thing, but if you're on solid ground, you can't tell. I also have a Manfrotto 055 Carbon Fiber tripod with a beefier head on it. That's my big guy.
He means in this video!
Thank you! Great video
Great comparison 👍👍
atomos ninja assassin? Had to look at your tags to figure out what that was.
Yeah, it's been replaced by the Atoms Ninja Flame and Shogun.
how about ntg4+
It's great mic. Exact same sound as the NTG4, just without the need for phantom power from the recorder. MOST people I know have the NTG4+ because it makes your recorder's batteries last longer. I have so many mics that don't have a battery option that I always plan for phantom. It's 100% a workflow preference. No audio difference.
@@ShaunHautly Tks a lot~! I ordered one, cant wait to have it on my camera~~
@@shawnmorita5821 Nice! Let me know how you like it.
@@ShaunHautly Hi colonelshaun, mic on my hand now, super cool with my H5 and a6400, really nice sound~ tks 4 ur recommendation!!
Не хватает высоких частот у PRO.
The VideoMic Pro is fast and easy, but with some quality sacrifices.
VideoMic Pro работает быстро и легко, но с некоторыми качественными жертвами.
I look for a microphone gun. This sounds good.
many thanks
Raj Zeef you’re welcome. But I have noticed that I’ve been getting a lot of radio interference in the VideoMic Pro for the past few weeks. Maybe the newer version has addressed this.
Great video. The concern here is about what kind of a professional you are. Audio technicians cannot work well with video equipment like camera technicians. You could compare the video mic to an Iphone cam and the ntg 4 to a dslr. Ntg 4+ has built in phantom power, but the 4 is better because there is less risk of damage to internal electronics of the mics' built in add on chargeable battery (4+).Yes you need an interface because you record Hi end audio on ntg 4. There are cool interfaces of Behringer for about 30$ or you could also purchase a zoom h6 from olx or other used gear classifieds.
I keep finding a lot of producers who understand audio, or at least have some default setting memorized. They're creating decent stuff, especially when its final destination is online consumption.
Any experience with connecting NTG4+ straight to a DSLR? How much quality is lost?
@@KimochJesper It depends on the camera and its audio capabilities. Canon DSLRs have historically bad sound processing, but all of them are getting better. As a gross generalization, for most projects that you'd be shooting primarily with a DSLR, directly connecting will be fine. For most people, for RUclips, for viewing on devices, no one is ever going to notice the difference between DSLR recording and using a dedicated audio recorder.
@@ShaunHautly Thank you, much appreciated!
@@KimochJesper The pin of NTG 4+ is an XLR and the DSLR will have 1/4 inch TRS input. The NTG 4+ although do not require phantom power will require a suitable connector to record into a dslr. Moreover, you never know if the audio that comes out as mono would be recorded as stereo on the dslr. It would be wise to keep the audio recording and video separate for quality production. You could record on Zoom h5 or your laptop + audio interface with the NTG4+ and sync with video captured on your DSLR.
Yall i made a Tascam/Rode review for "dumbasses"...basically if youre new to filmmaking and want to know the basics of how this equipment works...go ahead and check it out.
Why not? Its free lol
Are you 3D ?
NTG4 is miles nicer
The NTG3 is even better. I just didn't own it when I made this video.