I learnt Pitman New Era for a year and then went on at College to do Pitman 2000. New Era has more short forms, but I managed to integrate the two systems. I eventually reached 140 wpm. It was my favourite lesson and loved to sit and watch the news and take down notes to practice. Making it as small and neat as possible. I was lucky to use it for many years and still do now when taking notes or instructions. I had to learn medical shorthand too, and can still remember those outlines today. Shorthand is a great skill that if learned properly will stay with you for ever.
I'm 72 years old (still employed by choice) and learned Pitman at Edward Bok Vocational High School in Phila., PA in 1965-1967. I continue to use Pitman, to this day, and was always excellent at it and love it to this day! I still have 45 rpms (records) of dictated letters that I practice with and I have my original Pitman Shorthand Dictionary (blue in color), and green and white Pitman textbook that I purchased years ago. My first year of learning Pitman was in the 11th grade and it continued in my senior year. I took phone messages when I served as a secretary, admin. assistant, and later as a teacher) and still do. . In high school I would practice over the summer (between the 11th & 12th grade) to keep my speed up. I also practiced by writing down TV commercials using Pitman. It's a valuable skill and I don't believe that most of today's high school students have the discipline or focus to learn Pitman!
I'm a journalist and I would dearly love to know shorthand but nobody in my city (Vancouver) teaches it anymore! Tape recorders are great as backup but for most of my stuff I'd rather take actual written notes as tape recorders can (and do) fail and it's rather time consuming to transcribe audio. Pierre, thank you for uploading these videos and sharing this valuable skill to us younger folk! :)
You can learn it through RUclips. An excellent site is called I Love Portman's Shorthand. There are several other sites, it's up to you which you find you can learn from best. It is possible to learn by yourself, practice and patience, and you can do it.
The skill is always there for those who want it. People use technological methods to record speeches now, but shorthand is non-intrusive, people just think you are "taking notes" not making a complete verbatim record. Perfected over the decades, it's a great system. It is still used, even for employment, in places like India and Pakistan. There is a thrill in reading notes from decades ago (but not TOO far back) and realizing these things would stay secret if not for you.
it;s years since I learned pitman but I remember it very well, in fact I sometimes write words in my head, this video is very good, and everything is very well explained. since I seem to be getting more and more interested again in this I decided to look it up on the internet to see if it was still around, and came across your video. thank you I enjoyed it. Some words can be written more than one way, so I have fun deciding which looks the best and is the easiest written. I do it every day now but only in my head especially when on the bus or subway to pass time.
Hold your left hand, palm before your face. Spread out your fingers. Make your Index finger point vertically up. Make your Pinky finger point horizontally to the right. Now, your Thumb is P,B...your Index is T,D...your Middle finger is Ch, J...your Ring finger is R...and your Pinky is K,G... I use that to remember straight line consonants. The image on page 1 of of chapter 1 in Pitman's Shorthand Instructor-New Era Edition, reminded me of a stick figure hand, which inspired me to imagine the above memory device. If anyone is having trouble, you might give it a try to see if it works for you as well. It appears that each line is roughly 30 degrees increments apart from one another. T,D are 90 degrees, and K,G is 0. But I hope you Veterans can chime in about the actual degrees.
That is a good memory-aid. You could even tattoo the fingers of your left hand with letters to remember better! Maybe most people will not go as far as that, haha! Strokes are at angles of 0°, 45° or 90° except for the CHay and Jay strokes which are angles at a slant of 15° to the right of vertical. They are drawn from the top down so they are a right-to-left stroke (so are the curved strokes named SHay/ZHay).
I taught Pitman Shorthand in England and Australia. Years ago I visited the Publishing Company in Somerset Great Britain and watch the writers ink the charaters in white ink onto black paint to publish the books. I am now 79 and today's date is September 2024. Would love to get in touch with someone to tell of my experience teaching this wonderful art.
Thanks. You owe me a billion dollars. ;-) Seriously, I was astonished to find Pitman's on RUclips, I thought it was as dead as Latin. I still remember my very first lesson: Pee, BEE, Tee Dee Chay Jay.
i learned it and new it in 1970/71 but didn't really get to use it, so i have forgotten it but watching this video is rekindling my memory, wonder how easy or hard it will be for me to pick it up again?
Really adore the way you teach. Learnt some thing good and need more of similar lessons but bit advanced level. I used (during my student life) some of the shorthand but im still unaware which shorthand was it (as it was taught in our uni for few days just to help us take medical notes) - Thanks for uploading the vidz.
Oh, yes, I saw it instantly. The actors make reference to bureaucratic Vogon forms which they pass around and I read the titles quite clearly: "Presidential Release Form" and "Demolition Order" On the Magrathean video you see "Information Deleted" in English and Vogon (Pitman), and on a poster on Vogsphere (the home-planet of the Vogons) you can read "Depressed? Try Destruction Therapy!" which is why the Vogons keep smashing beautifully bejewelled scuttling-crabs...Reading it I felt blessed.
These videos are just a taste of the system. There is so much more that goes into Pitman writing that you should get a book. Hodder Education publishes the books on Pitman Shorthand such as TEACH YOURSELF PITMAN 2000.
Oops! Somebody asked "What is the best shorthand system to learn?" but I accidentally removed his comment. I did not intend to remove it.
My answer is that I'm not necessarily going to say that Pitman is the best system to learn. Have a look at Gregg and Pitman, and the end of my video, Part 3 of 3, lists a few other systems which have been advertised.
Yes, I think you're right. In Pitman 2000 it is an official short form that looks like "had". I'm not sure it's listed as a short form in the New Era dictionary, which shows D and then a big semicircle to represent L and R. "Personalizations" creep into everyone's writing. Which is why sometimes interpreting decades-old diaries is so difficult, especially as the Pitman method kept getting revised.
@FOREVERxSWIFT Pitman may not be the easiest system to learn. I am not familiar with the system you are studying, but all shorthands may use very simple marks for common words. In Pitman shorthand, "the" is either a dot on the line or a tick-mark at the end of words in this direction, /. "Of" is a short mark in the middle of the line like this \, "to" is the same mark on the line. Check my web-site for common abbreviations.
The Pitman system has undergone many revisions since 1837. Pitman 2000 is the latest and greatest, but it has a focus on omitting many short forms, keeping 144 of them. For those who want it, those who want to build speed to court-reporting speeds, they can learn many more short forms that belonged to fields of business and law, essentially the short forms of the old Pitman New Era system (1922-1975). I learned only Pitman New Era, so that's what my video represents.
I started learning Pittman s Shorthand last year. I'm 73 now. I love shorthand. I think all the countries using Roman/ Germanic writing with masses of silent letters in their words should all do away with their writing system, it's old fashioned, and teach from early childhood Pittman Shorthand. The future is writing phonetically, not the rediculous spelling words and writing them with all the silent letters. Now a days all people who own a mobile phone abreviate their spelling and use emojis, thus abreviation if words had already started.
I'm Now 76. Started learning via RUclips two years ago when Corona Pandemic forced us in Australia into lockdown and isolation. I agree, it's a fantastic way of writing, every school child should be taught it. They don't learn writing or cursive writing and proper spelling at school anymore anyway. So the children could just as well be taught to write in Shorthand. It would far easier for them.
Actually Charlotte, very few people can get paid for being stenographers any more. Stenographers now use special typewriters to do "machine shorthand" now, which is faster than manual pen shorthand. Or in courts they can speak into a dictaphone with speech-recognition software. Or just record the speech and type it up later. Shorthand was only developed when there was no alternative to the fast recording of speech. But it is still a useful low-tech thing if you have nothing else handy.
@squirell1952 Shorthand systems are more than just an alphabet, but a system of tricks and short-cuts to layer meaning. It would be very difficult to make a computer understand what's going on. The Palm Pilots use the Graffiti system to simplify alphabet writing and make it quicker. Even quicker is Quikwriting, where the direction of single or double strokes is important and you don't have to lift your stylus off the pad to start a new letter.
@amandeepindia1 Keep practicing. Learning the rules thoroughly and lots of practice will automatically increase speed, like for typing. In 1975 or so, the Pitman 2000 method came out. I learned the earlier version, "Pitman New Era", from books. You can find many more videos about Gregg Shorthand (3 g's), which operates on different principles. They do not have thick or thin strokes over there, it's all uniform, in fact the first name for it was "LightLine Phonography".
@mistralshining It is true that, now, every mp3-player can record hours and hours of talk. The very vital skills are those that increase your personal input/output speeds: speed-reading and typing. But recordings are not so convenient unless you record short chapters and organize them to find things quickly. You can practice writing shorthand up to the speed of speech itself, and it is less intrusive than putting a recorder in someone's face. People think you're "just taking notes".
@Shellsmashedxbox360 This is a whole new writing system, in fact more complex than regular letters owing to all the short-form tricks. Give it 200-300 hours of study and practice. Studying it a little bit daily works better than a marathon session only one time a week.
...(cont'd.) There is a book about the making of the movie, THE HITCH-HIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY, where they show stills from the movie with the Pitman writing. They joke that the Vogons are bureaucratic and wanted to balance out the naturally fast and efficient writing-system (Pitman), so for numbers they use tallies. Writing a number like the year, 2005, takes them most of the afternoon! It was a fitting crumb of humour like Douglas Adams would have made.
@BMJSpitteler Could be. Pitman New Era mandates that there are some words for which you don't use the dot-ING ending, but an actual thick stroke, such as "doing". It's therefore harder for me to think of NOT doing it after the d than doing it. If there were thorough courses easily available like in the old days, personal idiosyncracies would be smoothed out, but I have 'em.
If you say so! I said on my web-page I would never promote any war between the devotees of the different shorthand systems. They're still using it for verbatim recording purposes in places like India and Pakistan.
I understand that the way to do voiced and unvoiced consonants in Gregg is to vary the length of the stroke. To make absolutely no confusion between the two, the long stroke must be 3 times the length of the short stroke, exactly the same system adopted from Morse Code for the different length between dots and dashes. But if you do make a mistake, the voiced and unvoiced consonants are sufficiently related.
It's funny. I write in the Deutsche Einheitskurzschrift, the german standart shorthand system, and many things look similar and yet mean something enirely different. And on the german standard shorthand, you're learning shorthand symbols (Kürzel) from day one. For example, the Pitman's H with the circle upwards would mean 'nichts', 'nothing' in DEKS. German standart shorthand hasn't vowel dots like Pitmans shorthand. Instead all the letter symbols are fixed (for ex. there are s, ss, st, str, sr, sch, schr alone for combinations of 's'), vowels are written with the connection between the letter symbols alone. Later, these combinations may be shortended - Just a DEKS 'i' (a 1-sized straight stroke upwards from the last symbol) could mean 4 or 5 things when put at the end of a word, and so on (althought that's a level 3 symbol - beginners write that out) In the end level, DEKS leaves just the bare bone root word, and even that's shortened - I'm crying my eyes out learning the 3. level out of 4, already. Dracopol
You would know if you were writing Pitman or not. You would have to learn it from textbooks that clearly say Pitman Shorthand on it. It is an organized form of fast writing. There are other brands of shorthand, though.
@rklcardinal The symbol for Ontario is a horizontal curve that looks like the bottom quarter of an "o", written above the line. At the right end you make a light downward line, and then from the bottom of that you make a 45-degree line going up and right. There are certain vowel-marks to attach to that, and a small dash like a = sign done at an upward-tilted angle to show it is a capitalized word. If you give me an e-mail address I could write it out for you and send a scan...
TRANSLATION HELP! Could you please help me? I’m transcribing my great grandfather’s diary from WWI, and found two brief Pitman shorthand notes. Could you PLEASE help me translate them?
@OwenNicolaou I offer an overview of how Pitman shorthand is done, but there is no substitute for a total textbook such as the Teach Yourself series, which is available in the current Pitman 2000 method or the older Pitman New Era (up to 1975?) method. Also you can check a site named "Long Live Pitman Shorthand" where the author wrote out all the theory with illustrations, a monumental task I was not willing to do on my site! But a lot of practice is needed on this theory.
Just found a copy of New Standard Course Pitman Shorthand. I found this in my mom's book collection that she must have got from some used store. The book is from a high school. The first person that owned it is probably dead because the date issued to her was from 1933! I took one look at all those squiggly lines in the little beat up book and was about to chuck it but decided to see if anyone had a video about it on youtube lol. I figured it was outdated and no one used shorthand. I'll keep it
@rjones53 Okay, here's my COMPLETELY BIASSED analysis. Pitman was based on circle and line geometries and is harder to write, but possibly easier to read. Gregg is oriented in directions like an ellipse and the existing motions of handwriting. I'm stuck with what books I've found, and now feel a kinship to the scribes in every parliament in the British Empire...
can some one give me tips on how to learn pitman's short hand in less than 15 days .. I have a test to clear a test at 100 wpm . Are there any rules that can be skipped . They will probably only check the accuracy of the transcribed text . Can i reach 100 wpm with long hand and some short hand .. I really love this system but i dont have the time to practice all the rules ..
if you can write long hand 100wpm and read later, that itself is shorthand. any way one of the final rule is upto you to write the you can understand with the strokes and letters nos etc, and able to read after without great difficulties. Easyway is, practice, practice, practice is the only secret of success in shorthand. It reminds me about the number of notes wrote in long hands to shorthand and shoethands to longhand. Sir isaac pitman, we cant forget your book.
It is a rule in Pitman that the first consonant stroke must be above the line if the vowel sound is a (as in cat), ah or aw or a very deep aw sound found in the British pronunciation of "law". Those are the first-position vowels. Also eye and oi sounds. If the vowel sound is e (as in men), uh, ay or owe, write the stroke on the line (second-position vowels). If the vowel sounds are I (as in pin), ee, oo (as in book or moon), and also the sounds ow or you, write the stroke below or through the line. You'll notice the vowels range from back-vowels (formed by the tongue in the back of the throat) and mid-vowels to front-vowels (tongue and lips in front). That might help to remember how to write the strokes. Vowel indication features like this are helpful to write similar sounding words without placing each vowel-mark explicitly, and in the long run saves time.
I dont know which country you are in, pitman themselves are phasing out this form of shorthand in uk, in favour of Teeline, which is quicker and easier to learn. Unfortuantely pitman is vast and complex to learn, takes ages to learn it too. Go for teeline.
Hello Pierre, thank you, very interesting contents! A friend and I are doing a research on diaries of a journalist from last century, much of it written in Pitman shorthand... our level is not advanced enough to decode it, so we were wondering if you would be interested/available to help us out with that! Thank you in advance
Can you read Pittman similar to reading the regular alphabet? Cause I've been studying shorthand for a couple days (I'm practically an expert at this point. XD) and it sounds like a lot of shorthand systems require you to translate it as soon as you can. Otherwise you won't know what it says. I'm looking for a system that I can write in my journal, then read many years down the road. Also, what are the differences between Pittman and Gregg?
A shorthand system is not a straight alphabet, but includes a number of other tricks to pack more meaning in a modified stroke, and shorten writing. In Ancient Egyptian, you had to decide if a sign was a single sound, a syllable, or a whole word. In Pitman there is that, and sometimes a sign can be an entire phrase. For example, M in Pitman is a quarter-circle, like a parenthesis, facing down. Add a hook in the front of the stroke, you make the conbination MR. Above the lines of the paper, this represents the short sign for "more". But two of them, attached, means "more and more". Shorthand has structured rules to distinguish between similar words and is highly readable years afterwards, if the writer sticks to the rules and did not add any idiosyncracies. You *transcribe* a piece of shorthand writing (since you wrote in the same language, you are not "translating"). Pitman shorthand writes lines and quarter-circles for consonants, facing in different directions. Strokes may be "thin" or "thick" to represent voiceless and voiced consonants respectively. For example, a thin vertical stroke is "t" but the same stroke written thicker is "d". A series of dots and dashes and other marks are placed in beginning, middle, or end positions to show vowels (there are 18 basic vowel sounds in English, plus diphthongs and even some triphthongs such as in the word "science".) Many modifications to the strokes are made such as halving a stroke to add a -T or -D sound, or doubling the size of a stroke to add -TR, -DR, or -THR. So M doubled becomes matter or mother (a vowel-mark is added to tell the difference). But you do not need to show every vowel, there are principles for when it is safe to omit them. One trick to indicate vowels without writing them is to start the first stroke of a word above, on, or below/through the line of the paper, which tells you if the first vowel is a beginning-, middle-, or end-position vowel respectively. As a result, Pitman needs lined paper. Gregg shorthand is written with shapes derived from straight lines and ellipses. It has strokes for both vowels and consonants, everything is written in-line. Gregg does not need lined paper. To show voiced and voiceless consonants, Gregg stretches a voiced consonant stroke to _three_ times the size of the short mark of a voiceless consonant. It does not need to write thick strokes like Pitman. Gregg will also have a number of short-form tricks, but you have to learn a completely different plan from Pitman.
Thanks for the quick reply! So the most important thing for me is it's readability, and for it to be fast enough that it's more comfortable for me to write closer to the speed of what a professor is speaking, or the speed of my thinking (Anything is better than the regular alphabet at this point). I don't want to transcribe my entire journal or notes for school. So it sounds like Pittman is a good option! Do you happen to know if Gregg is also as readable as Pittman? And are there other shorthand systems that are also readable? Or are they, for the most part, meant for transcribing soon after?
@@trevorfielding7910 In universities, students now use mini-recorders, or their phones, and have the storage to save every lecture, and play back at double-speed to hear it faster. Pitman and Gregg are each well worked out over the decades. Reading back is a bit harder than writing, but you can practice reading texts in your chosen script. In the old days, they had entire novels in Pitman.
It says I'm kidding right there! Or, if you prefer, in legal language, "All reference to the transfer of the sum of one billion dollars (CDN) is intended for satirical purposes and does not represent a contractual obligation."
Only the final angle and shape of the stroke matters. It doesn't really matter if you draw it up or down. By custom, and to save any waste motion, T's and D's are drawn downward, and you would connect the next stroke to the bottom of the T or D. For most strokes there is always a downward or rightward writing direction so that you are always moving forward or downward. Sometimes there are exceptions (the SH most of the times is drawn RIGHT-TO-LEFT, but sometimes left to right in some joinings). The CH/J strokes are angled slightly by 15° and are drawn right-to-left.
@Mac6524 Yes, the basic input/output skills are incredibly valuable in work: typing (I guess now we must say keyboarding), speed-reading, and shorthand (although now made obsolete when any mp3-player can record speech). Also, basic reading. We are facing a new generation of iliteruts who only no how 2 type in Textspeek 4 there cell n wholl need 2 get an old-tymer 2 rite Classic English 4 there leegul dokumints.
I said on my web-page I would never promote any war between the devotees of the different shorthand systems. They're still using it for verbatim recording purposes in places like India and Pakistan.
He would have been better writing the shorthand in its proper size and putting the pad nearer the camera. One good tip is to get the size of the standard straight consonant in your mind so they are all the same size before your start curves and then again when you get to using the halving principle and the doubling principle you don't get them confused. A half sized symbol shows the word ends with T and if the consonant symbol is thickened AND halved in length the word ends the word in D. Unfortunately if a beginner does not to get used to keeping symbols to a regular size from the start the later lessons will be very hard. Short forms for words which are small can later be confused with consonant symbols that have been haved. I was taught by a very good teacher. I did one winter of one night a week shorthand night class and then the kind lady took two of us as private pupils sharing the cost of her time for three hours a week during the Summer nights. I remember going for interviews for agencies - they used to give a letter in dictation and then you typed the letter. I remember saying to some interviewers that they could speak faster if they wanted to and quite a few would pick up my pad later and read it back as it was like text book shorthand. My teacher had taught me some advanced contractions and they would confuse these agency types. A good basic understanding of rules saves hours later.
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I have something that no one can translate. I am wondering if it's Pitman Shorthand. Can you suggest someone/someplace I can send a copy to find out if it is indeed shorthand?
:D I remember PitMan system [I select Gregg over PitMan] in my country to [cover] political notes. the reason of my selection was Gregg dint need to left the pen/pencil each time for each thing (was more cursive for me) Of-course I made my own [encrypted] job. was very useful. and by the way, that creation was my very first encrypted idea. after that I figure others more complicate to crack, today I has one that there is no way in heaven will be cracked, Will be need some 20 Turing Genius of this century creating futuristic UTAH NSA Computers to crack the all piece together. all thanks to the shorthand system who's spark my ideas. (Y)
Shorthand has some resemblance to Egyptian hieroglyphics because a symbol could mean a sound, a word or a short phrase. Computers might have a hard time interpreting it, a human mind decides more readily what it truly means, it makes judgments and "guesses right" with intuition. In Gregg, writing a stroke 3 times longer results in a different consonant (usually voiced consonant versus the regular unvoiced, so for example it turns a t into a d). Why 3 times? When Morse Code was developed it was decided that dashes should be 3 times longer than dots. If it were only 2 times longer there might still be a chance of confusion, but a 3:1 difference was considered unmistakable. So the same idea was applied to Gregg shorthand. Pitman produces this difference using "light" and "heavy" strokes instead.
Hello sir I am from India i am studing shorthand before 3 years i want a job in Canada high court . Is it possible??? My short hand speed is 100 wpm + My keyboard typing speed is 40 wpm And 35wpm on typewriter
What you must understand is that the Western World has more advanced ways to record speech in government and courts. They use digital recorders, or mechanical shorthand machines, or dictatype machines, or laptops with word-prediction that boost typing speed because you don't actually have to finish a word. They do not use pads of paper and pencils. My videos show traditional pencil shorthand which is good for personal use and is quiet, but I am afraid it is an obsolete skill in the job-market here.
@Dracopol The recording devices don't explain all.In this age of hyper -communication the words have lost their importance,there's not such care as in the past of the exact terms and expression to use.Besides,today managements exchange wold & excel docs,pdf ,fill web forms and so on,no need of the old fashion written,formal letters to register verbatim.
What I wrote was in 3 lines: "If-you-can read this, I-will / give-you a billion dollars! / No, just kidding!" But someone correctly pointed out I should tuck the "you" in "give-you" underneath, with the crescent facing right.
Dracopol Ah!! I can read it now! Your writing is very clear but it helps if you know what it means. I really should have tried harder before asking you what it meant. I have been learning Pitman 2000 on and off for few years and am now having a go at New Era. Anyway, merci pour ta réponse et vive le Canada....et vive le Pitman!!
All shorthand systems have undergone a development to maximize speed with a list of special short forms and tricks. Some systems are considered more like "speed writing" if they stick closely to the regular forms of the alphabet. These are easier to learn, but have limits to the top speed possible since you still have to write recognizable letters. I can only speak about the system I took the trouble to learn. If there is another stroke-based writing-system it may have comparable speed to Pitman.
You can buy books on learning the shorthand method of your choice. There is a business college in India that offers a 15-lesson web-course, with sound, for Pitman shorthand. But the trouble is that you need to supply your own extensive practice. www.stenold.org/onlineshand.html My website offers other pointers. pitmanshorthand.homestead.com
You may look up the Stenographer's Guild from Chennai India at "stenold dot org". They offer a 15-lesson online Pitman course, with audio. But they leave practice up to you, which you must practice on your own outside the course. It takes 200-300 hours to learn the system and start building speed beyond your regular handwriting's speed.
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@cirosuperiore I'm not interested in starting any religious wars. On my site I list 2 Gregg Shorthand sites of interest to you. You're lucky to get proper training in ANY shorthand method these days. If possible, try to find a class to learn beyond just picking it up from books.
If you can read this, I will give you a billion dollars. No, just kidding. Thats what he wrote. Pitman's is an excellent shorthand. I studied in early 80s. Out of touch since last 15 years. I was typing above 80 wpm before I got my first job.
It's not just the hesitation factor - the writer here may be going slowly just to demonstrate - it's the amount of time lost while having to move the pen back to the left, or to pick up the pen to write a suffix or ending. All of this is hugely wasteful of time if you need to write fairly fast, and of course it's tough on beginners. This is why there are so few shorthand writers today (outside of journalism and courts) - the inflexibility of these systems makes them so difficult to learn.
After I learned old-school Pitman, they changed the way to write the "x" for a period (full-stop) so that your hand doesn't end on the left side but on the right side. You are supposed to come in from the top left, loop down and around and exit top right.
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The hand movements are very uneconomical with most shorthand systems. Observe how the writer has to keep working out where to put his pen - this is no criticism of the writer - it's just the system. I have discovered this to be true of all the systems I've tried, which is why I'm developing my own.
Abhishek Jha nope, both zed and zee are correct. Zed is more poplar in Europe. India was dominated by the UK in the past so they use the British pronunciation.
@TheAngus777 Angus, I made an annotation box above that appears and TELLS you what it says. "If-you-can read this, I'll give-you a billion dollars! No, just kidding!"
@MissPiggyM976 Suit yourself. I'm not here to start a religious war between the shorthand systems, because it's pointless these days. A devotee of the great god "MP3-Player on Recording Function" will point to his device and go nyaaah, nyaaah, nyaaah.
Mindful of Lorraine Martin Commercial College....great stenographer that were there....100 words ....for typing then this...incredible tool for lawyers but they have dictaphone etc ha!
Even women are saying "you guys" these days. You need to break free from White Knight Syndrome (video to be attached). ruclips.net/video/Px69Pl4sNPc/видео.html
I learnt Pitman New Era for a year and then went on at College to do Pitman 2000. New Era has more short forms, but I managed to integrate the two systems. I eventually reached 140 wpm. It was my favourite lesson and loved to sit and watch the news and take down notes to practice. Making it as small and neat as possible. I was lucky to use it for many years and still do now when taking notes or instructions. I had to learn medical shorthand too, and can still remember those outlines today. Shorthand is a great skill that if learned properly will stay with you for ever.
I'm 72 years old (still employed by choice) and learned Pitman at Edward Bok Vocational High School in Phila., PA in 1965-1967. I continue to use Pitman, to this day, and was always excellent at it and love it to this day! I still have 45 rpms (records) of dictated letters that I practice with and I have my original Pitman Shorthand Dictionary (blue in color), and green and white Pitman textbook that I purchased years ago. My first year of learning Pitman was in the 11th grade and it continued in my senior year. I took phone messages when I served as a secretary, admin. assistant, and later as a teacher) and still do. . In high school I would practice over the summer (between the 11th & 12th grade) to keep my speed up. I also practiced by writing down TV commercials using Pitman. It's a valuable skill and I don't believe that most of today's high school students have the discipline or focus to learn Pitman!
My mum was a secretary and PA and knew Pitman shorthand. As a child it seemed to me like writing magic runes!
I'm a journalist and I would dearly love to know shorthand but nobody in my city (Vancouver) teaches it anymore! Tape recorders are great as backup but for most of my stuff I'd rather take actual written notes as tape recorders can (and do) fail and it's rather time consuming to transcribe audio. Pierre, thank you for uploading these videos and sharing this valuable skill to us younger folk! :)
You can learn it through RUclips. An excellent site is called I Love Portman's Shorthand. There are several other sites, it's up to you which you find you can learn from best. It is possible to learn by yourself, practice and patience, and you can do it.
The skill is always there for those who want it. People use technological methods to record speeches now, but shorthand is non-intrusive, people just think you are "taking notes" not making a complete verbatim record. Perfected over the decades, it's a great system. It is still used, even for employment, in places like India and Pakistan. There is a thrill in reading notes from decades ago (but not TOO far back) and realizing these things would stay secret if not for you.
it;s years since I learned pitman but I remember it very well, in fact I sometimes write words in my head, this video is very good, and everything is very well explained. since I seem to be getting more and more interested again in this I decided to look it up on the internet to see if it was still around, and came across your video. thank you I enjoyed it. Some words can be written more than one way, so I have fun deciding which looks the best and is the easiest written. I do it every day now but only in my head especially when on the bus or subway to pass time.
Hold your left hand, palm before your face.
Spread out your fingers.
Make your Index finger point vertically up.
Make your Pinky finger point horizontally to the right.
Now, your Thumb is P,B...your Index is T,D...your Middle finger is Ch, J...your Ring finger is R...and your Pinky is K,G...
I use that to remember straight line consonants. The image on page 1 of of chapter 1 in Pitman's Shorthand Instructor-New Era Edition, reminded me of a stick figure hand, which inspired me to imagine the above memory device. If anyone is having trouble, you might give it a try to see if it works for you as well. It appears that each line is roughly 30 degrees increments apart from one another. T,D are 90 degrees, and K,G is 0. But I hope you Veterans can chime in about the actual degrees.
That is a good memory-aid. You could even tattoo the fingers of your left hand with letters to remember better! Maybe most people will not go as far as that, haha!
Strokes are at angles of 0°, 45° or 90° except for the CHay and Jay strokes which are angles at a slant of 15° to the right of vertical. They are drawn from the top down so they are a right-to-left stroke (so are the curved strokes named SHay/ZHay).
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I taught Pitman Shorthand in England and Australia. Years ago I visited the Publishing Company in Somerset Great Britain and watch the writers ink the charaters in white ink onto black paint to publish the books. I am now 79 and today's date is September 2024. Would love to get in touch with someone to tell of my experience teaching this wonderful art.
Thanks. You owe me a billion dollars. ;-) Seriously, I was astonished to find Pitman's on RUclips, I thought it was as dead as Latin. I still remember my very first lesson: Pee, BEE, Tee Dee Chay Jay.
Thank you very much for postint this series. It appears to be the most comprehensive Pitman course on the entire Web.
i learned it and new it in 1970/71 but didn't really get to use it, so i have forgotten it but watching this video is rekindling my memory, wonder how easy or hard it will be for me to pick it up again?
Really adore the way you teach. Learnt some thing good and need more of similar lessons but bit advanced level. I used (during my student life) some of the shorthand but im still unaware which shorthand was it (as it was taught in our uni for few days just to help us take medical notes) - Thanks for uploading the vidz.
Oh, yes, I saw it instantly. The actors make reference to bureaucratic Vogon forms which they pass around and I read the titles quite clearly: "Presidential Release Form" and "Demolition Order" On the Magrathean video you see "Information Deleted" in English and Vogon (Pitman), and on a poster on Vogsphere (the home-planet of the Vogons) you can read "Depressed? Try Destruction Therapy!" which is why the Vogons keep smashing beautifully bejewelled scuttling-crabs...Reading it I felt blessed.
Great video series! This is the best shorthand tutorial I have found yet. Good job!
These videos are just a taste of the system. There is so much more that goes into Pitman writing that you should get a book. Hodder Education publishes the books on Pitman Shorthand such as TEACH YOURSELF PITMAN 2000.
Oops! Somebody asked "What is the best shorthand system to learn?" but I accidentally removed his comment. I did not intend to remove it.
My answer is that I'm not necessarily going to say that Pitman is the best system to learn. Have a look at Gregg and Pitman, and the end of my video, Part 3 of 3, lists a few other systems which have been advertised.
Yes, I think you're right. In Pitman 2000 it is an official short form that looks like "had". I'm not sure it's listed as a short form in the New Era dictionary, which shows D and then a big semicircle to represent L and R.
"Personalizations" creep into everyone's writing. Which is why sometimes interpreting decades-old diaries is so difficult, especially as the Pitman method kept getting revised.
@FOREVERxSWIFT Pitman may not be the easiest system to learn. I am not familiar with the system you are studying, but all shorthands may use very simple marks for common words. In Pitman shorthand, "the" is either a dot on the line or a tick-mark at the end of words in this direction, /. "Of" is a short mark in the middle of the line like this \, "to" is the same mark on the line. Check my web-site for common abbreviations.
The Pitman system has undergone many revisions since 1837. Pitman 2000 is the latest and greatest, but it has a focus on omitting many short forms, keeping 144 of them. For those who want it, those who want to build speed to court-reporting speeds, they can learn many more short forms that belonged to fields of business and law, essentially the short forms of the old Pitman New Era system (1922-1975).
I learned only Pitman New Era, so that's what my video represents.
I started learning Pittman s Shorthand last year. I'm 73 now. I love shorthand. I think all the countries using Roman/ Germanic writing with masses of silent letters in their words should all do away with their writing system, it's old fashioned, and teach from early childhood Pittman Shorthand. The future is writing phonetically, not the rediculous spelling words and writing them with all the silent letters. Now a days all people who own a mobile phone abreviate their spelling and use emojis, thus abreviation if words had already started.
I'm Now 76. Started learning via RUclips two years ago when Corona Pandemic forced us in Australia into lockdown and isolation. I agree, it's a fantastic way of writing, every school child should be taught it. They don't learn writing or cursive writing and proper spelling at school anymore anyway. So the children could just as well be taught to write in Shorthand. It would far easier for them.
Actually Charlotte, very few people can get paid for being stenographers any more. Stenographers now use special typewriters to do "machine shorthand" now, which is faster than manual pen shorthand. Or in courts they can speak into a dictaphone with speech-recognition software. Or just record the speech and type it up later. Shorthand was only developed when there was no alternative to the fast recording of speech. But it is still a useful low-tech thing if you have nothing else handy.
@squirell1952 Shorthand systems are more than just an alphabet, but a system of tricks and short-cuts to layer meaning. It would be very difficult to make a computer understand what's going on. The Palm Pilots use the Graffiti system to simplify alphabet writing and make it quicker. Even quicker is Quikwriting, where the direction of single or double strokes is important and you don't have to lift your stylus off the pad to start a new letter.
How do you know which shorthand style to use? Is Pitman 2000 the most popular and most useful for this day and age?
@amandeepindia1 Keep practicing. Learning the rules thoroughly and lots of practice will automatically increase speed, like for typing.
In 1975 or so, the Pitman 2000 method came out. I learned the earlier version, "Pitman New Era", from books.
You can find many more videos about Gregg Shorthand (3 g's), which operates on different principles. They do not have thick or thin strokes over there, it's all uniform, in fact the first name for it was "LightLine Phonography".
@mistralshining It is true that, now, every mp3-player can record hours and hours of talk. The very vital skills are those that increase your personal input/output speeds: speed-reading and typing. But recordings are not so convenient unless you record short chapters and organize them to find things quickly. You can practice writing shorthand up to the speed of speech itself, and it is less intrusive than putting a recorder in someone's face. People think you're "just taking notes".
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Maray liyay shorthand padhna important hai
I've finished Pitman New Era Shorthand!!! and it's really worth it!!!
@Shellsmashedxbox360 This is a whole new writing system, in fact more complex than regular letters owing to all the short-form tricks. Give it 200-300 hours of study and practice. Studying it a little bit daily works better than a marathon session only one time a week.
Nice revision. I learned Pitman’s Shorthand long ago in YWCA New Delhi. Thanks 🙏
...(cont'd.) There is a book about the making of the movie, THE HITCH-HIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY, where they show stills from the movie with the Pitman writing. They joke that the Vogons are bureaucratic and wanted to balance out the naturally fast and efficient writing-system (Pitman), so for numbers they use tallies. Writing a number like the year, 2005, takes them most of the afternoon! It was a fitting crumb of humour like Douglas Adams would have made.
@BMJSpitteler Could be. Pitman New Era mandates that there are some words for which you don't use the dot-ING ending, but an actual thick stroke, such as "doing". It's therefore harder for me to think of NOT doing it after the d than doing it. If there were thorough courses easily available like in the old days, personal idiosyncracies would be smoothed out, but I have 'em.
@Envergure No, I don't go into that much detail. A web-site called Long Live Pitman's Shorthand gives all the details now these days.
If you say so! I said on my web-page I would never promote any war between the devotees of the different shorthand systems. They're still using it for verbatim recording purposes in places like India and Pakistan.
You may need 200-300 hours of practice to master it and build speed. Learn from a complete book. My video only has an overview.
Glad I learned the Gregg version. Doesn't use light/heavy strokes which may not work so well with pens and pencils.
great comment thank you
Pitman was harder to learn but easier to read back.
I understand that the way to do voiced and unvoiced consonants in Gregg is to vary the length of the stroke. To make absolutely no confusion between the two, the long stroke must be 3 times the length of the short stroke, exactly the same system adopted from Morse Code for the different length between dots and dashes. But if you do make a mistake, the voiced and unvoiced consonants are sufficiently related.
It's funny. I write in the Deutsche Einheitskurzschrift, the german standart shorthand system, and many things look similar and yet mean something enirely different.
And on the german standard shorthand, you're learning shorthand symbols (Kürzel) from day one. For example, the Pitman's H with the circle upwards would mean 'nichts', 'nothing' in DEKS.
German standart shorthand hasn't vowel dots like Pitmans shorthand. Instead all the letter symbols are fixed (for ex. there are s, ss, st, str, sr, sch, schr alone for combinations of 's'), vowels are written with the connection between the letter symbols alone. Later, these combinations may be shortended - Just a DEKS 'i' (a 1-sized straight stroke upwards from the last symbol) could mean 4 or 5 things when put at the end of a word, and so on (althought that's a level 3 symbol - beginners write that out)
In the end level, DEKS leaves just the bare bone root word, and even that's shortened - I'm crying my eyes out learning the 3. level out of 4, already.
Dracopol
You would know if you were writing Pitman or not. You would have to learn it from textbooks that clearly say Pitman Shorthand on it. It is an organized form of fast writing. There are other brands of shorthand, though.
@rklcardinal The symbol for Ontario is a horizontal curve that looks like the bottom quarter of an "o", written above the line. At the right end you make a light downward line, and then from the bottom of that you make a 45-degree line going up and right. There are certain vowel-marks to attach to that, and a small dash like a = sign done at an upward-tilted angle to show it is a capitalized word. If you give me an e-mail address I could write it out for you and send a scan...
TRANSLATION HELP! Could you please help me? I’m transcribing my great grandfather’s diary from WWI, and found two brief Pitman shorthand notes. Could you PLEASE help me translate them?
@OwenNicolaou I offer an overview of how Pitman shorthand is done, but there is no substitute for a total textbook such as the Teach Yourself series, which is available in the current Pitman 2000 method or the older Pitman New Era (up to 1975?) method.
Also you can check a site named "Long Live Pitman Shorthand" where the author wrote out all the theory with illustrations, a monumental task I was not willing to do on my site! But a lot of practice is needed on this theory.
Just found a copy of New Standard Course Pitman Shorthand. I found this in my mom's book collection that she must have got from some used store. The book is from a high school. The first person that owned it is probably dead because the date issued to her was from 1933! I took one look at all those squiggly lines in the little beat up book and was about to chuck it but decided to see if anyone had a video about it on youtube lol. I figured it was outdated and no one used shorthand. I'll keep it
@rjones53 Okay, here's my COMPLETELY BIASSED analysis. Pitman was based on circle and line geometries and is harder to write, but possibly easier to read. Gregg is oriented in directions like an ellipse and the existing motions of handwriting. I'm stuck with what books I've found, and now feel a kinship to the scribes in every parliament in the British Empire...
do you believe it would be wise to buy a book on pitman or do u think u can learn easier on youtube videos such as the 3 you have posted
can some one give me tips on how to learn pitman's short hand in less than 15 days .. I have a test to clear a test at 100 wpm . Are there any rules that can be skipped . They will probably only check the accuracy of the transcribed text . Can i reach 100 wpm with long hand and some short hand .. I really love this system but i dont have the time to practice all the rules ..
if you can write long hand 100wpm and read later, that itself is shorthand. any way one of the final rule is upto you to write the you can understand with the strokes and letters nos etc, and able to read after without great difficulties. Easyway is, practice, practice, practice is the only secret of success in shorthand. It reminds me about the number of notes wrote in long hands to shorthand and shoethands to longhand. Sir isaac pitman, we cant forget your book.
I would like to learn this over summer so note taking can be a bit easier in class, but it seems so complicated to remember everything.
Thanks for the video Peter! Its a wonderful visual aid for beginners like me..
Learning this for more than 8 months and i still don't understand it. When to write above, on or below the line its too confusing. Help!!!!
It is a rule in Pitman that the first consonant stroke must be above the line if the vowel sound is a (as in cat), ah or aw or a very deep aw sound found in the British pronunciation of "law". Those are the first-position vowels. Also eye and oi sounds.
If the vowel sound is e (as in men), uh, ay or owe, write the stroke on the line (second-position vowels).
If the vowel sounds are I (as in pin), ee, oo (as in book or moon), and also the sounds ow or you, write the stroke below or through the line.
You'll notice the vowels range from back-vowels (formed by the tongue in the back of the throat) and mid-vowels to front-vowels (tongue and lips in front). That might help to remember how to write the strokes.
Vowel indication features like this are helpful to write similar sounding words without placing each vowel-mark explicitly, and in the long run saves time.
@@Dracopol thank you so much for explaining sir. Makes sense now : )
I dont know which country you are in, pitman themselves are phasing out this form of shorthand in uk, in favour of Teeline, which is quicker and easier to learn. Unfortuantely pitman is vast and complex to learn, takes ages to learn it too. Go for teeline.
Hello Pierre, thank you, very interesting contents! A friend and I are doing a research on diaries of a journalist from last century, much of it written in Pitman shorthand... our level is not advanced enough to decode it, so we were wondering if you would be interested/available to help us out with that! Thank you in advance
Can you read Pittman similar to reading the regular alphabet? Cause I've been studying shorthand for a couple days (I'm practically an expert at this point. XD) and it sounds like a lot of shorthand systems require you to translate it as soon as you can. Otherwise you won't know what it says. I'm looking for a system that I can write in my journal, then read many years down the road.
Also, what are the differences between Pittman and Gregg?
A shorthand system is not a straight alphabet, but includes a number of other tricks to pack more meaning in a modified stroke, and shorten writing. In Ancient Egyptian, you had to decide if a sign was a single sound, a syllable, or a whole word. In Pitman there is that, and sometimes a sign can be an entire phrase.
For example, M in Pitman is a quarter-circle, like a parenthesis, facing down. Add a hook in the front of the stroke, you make the conbination MR. Above the lines of the paper, this represents the short sign for "more". But two of them, attached, means "more and more".
Shorthand has structured rules to distinguish between similar words and is highly readable years afterwards, if the writer sticks to the rules and did not add any idiosyncracies. You *transcribe* a piece of shorthand writing (since you wrote in the same language, you are not "translating").
Pitman shorthand writes lines and quarter-circles for consonants, facing in different directions. Strokes may be "thin" or "thick" to represent voiceless and voiced consonants respectively. For example, a thin vertical stroke is "t" but the same stroke written thicker is "d". A series of dots and dashes and other marks are placed in beginning, middle, or end positions to show vowels (there are 18 basic vowel sounds in English, plus diphthongs and even some triphthongs such as in the word "science".) Many modifications to the strokes are made such as halving a stroke to add a -T or -D sound, or doubling the size of a stroke to add -TR, -DR, or -THR. So M doubled becomes matter or mother (a vowel-mark is added to tell the difference). But you do not need to show every vowel, there are principles for when it is safe to omit them. One trick to indicate vowels without writing them is to start the first stroke of a word above, on, or below/through the line of the paper, which tells you if the first vowel is a beginning-, middle-, or end-position vowel respectively. As a result, Pitman needs lined paper.
Gregg shorthand is written with shapes derived from straight lines and ellipses. It has strokes for both vowels and consonants, everything is written in-line. Gregg does not need lined paper. To show voiced and voiceless consonants, Gregg stretches a voiced consonant stroke to _three_ times the size of the short mark of a voiceless consonant. It does not need to write thick strokes like Pitman. Gregg will also have a number of short-form tricks, but you have to learn a completely different plan from Pitman.
Thanks for the quick reply! So the most important thing for me is it's readability, and for it to be fast enough that it's more comfortable for me to write closer to the speed of what a professor is speaking, or the speed of my thinking (Anything is better than the regular alphabet at this point).
I don't want to transcribe my entire journal or notes for school. So it sounds like Pittman is a good option! Do you happen to know if Gregg is also as readable as Pittman? And are there other shorthand systems that are also readable? Or are they, for the most part, meant for transcribing soon after?
@@trevorfielding7910 In universities, students now use mini-recorders, or their phones, and have the storage to save every lecture, and play back at double-speed to hear it faster.
Pitman and Gregg are each well worked out over the decades. Reading back is a bit harder than writing, but you can practice reading texts in your chosen script. In the old days, they had entire novels in Pitman.
It says I'm kidding right there! Or, if you prefer, in legal language, "All reference to the transfer of the sum of one billion dollars (CDN) is intended for satirical purposes and does not represent a contractual obligation."
@TheAngus777 Actually my writing was not totally correct for New Era Pitman, but it takes an existing expert to tell that!
if you are reading a text, how do you know if the stroke is an upward of downward stroke? They both look the same don't they?
Only the final angle and shape of the stroke matters. It doesn't really matter if you draw it up or down. By custom, and to save any waste motion, T's and D's are drawn downward, and you would connect the next stroke to the bottom of the T or D. For most strokes there is always a downward or rightward writing direction so that you are always moving forward or downward. Sometimes there are exceptions (the SH most of the times is drawn RIGHT-TO-LEFT, but sometimes left to right in some joinings). The CH/J strokes are angled slightly by 15° and are drawn right-to-left.
@Mac6524 Yes, the basic input/output skills are incredibly valuable in work: typing (I guess now we must say keyboarding), speed-reading, and shorthand (although now made obsolete when any mp3-player can record speech). Also, basic reading. We are facing a new generation of iliteruts who only no how 2 type in Textspeek 4 there cell n wholl need 2 get an old-tymer 2 rite Classic English 4 there leegul dokumints.
I said on my web-page I would never promote any war between the devotees of the different shorthand systems. They're still using it for verbatim recording purposes in places like India and Pakistan.
He would have been better writing the shorthand in its proper size and putting the pad nearer the camera.
One good tip is to get the size of the standard straight consonant in your mind so they are all the same size before your start curves and then again when you get to using the halving principle and the doubling principle you don't get them confused. A half sized symbol shows the word ends with T and if the consonant symbol is thickened AND halved in length the word ends the word in D. Unfortunately if a beginner does not to get used to keeping symbols to a regular size from the start the later lessons will be very hard. Short forms for words which are small can later be confused with consonant symbols that have been haved.
I was taught by a very good teacher. I did one winter of one night a week shorthand night class and then the kind lady took two of us as private pupils sharing the cost of her time for three hours a week during the Summer nights.
I remember going for interviews for agencies - they used to give a letter in dictation and then you typed the letter. I remember saying to some interviewers that they could speak faster if they wanted to and quite a few would pick up my pad later and read it back as it was like text book shorthand. My teacher had taught me some advanced contractions and they would confuse these agency types.
A good basic understanding of rules saves hours later.
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Besides a computer what pen would work best , thank you .
I have something that no one can translate. I am wondering if it's Pitman Shorthand. Can you suggest someone/someplace I can send a copy to find out if it is indeed shorthand?
i know another shorthand which is faster than pitman. the gregg shorthand. u can send me the copy
+felix According to the Guinness Book of Records, it is Pitman that holds the speed record, although it was in 1922.
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:D I remember PitMan system [I select Gregg over PitMan] in my country to [cover] political notes. the reason of my selection was Gregg dint need to left the pen/pencil each time for each thing (was more cursive for me) Of-course I made my own [encrypted] job. was very useful. and by the way, that creation was my very first encrypted idea. after that I figure others more complicate to crack, today I has one that there is no way in heaven will be cracked, Will be need some 20 Turing Genius of this century creating futuristic UTAH NSA Computers to crack the all piece together. all thanks to the shorthand system who's spark my ideas. (Y)
Shorthand has some resemblance to Egyptian hieroglyphics because a symbol could mean a sound, a word or a short phrase. Computers might have a hard time interpreting it, a human mind decides more readily what it truly means, it makes judgments and "guesses right" with intuition.
In Gregg, writing a stroke 3 times longer results in a different consonant (usually voiced consonant versus the regular unvoiced, so for example it turns a t into a d). Why 3 times? When Morse Code was developed it was decided that dashes should be 3 times longer than dots. If it were only 2 times longer there might still be a chance of confusion, but a 3:1 difference was considered unmistakable. So the same idea was applied to Gregg shorthand. Pitman produces this difference using "light" and "heavy" strokes instead.
did you know that they used pitman shorthand as the written form of the vogan language in the movie "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy"?
Hello sir
I am from India i am studing shorthand before 3 years i want a job in Canada high court . Is it possible???
My short hand speed is 100 wpm +
My keyboard typing speed is 40 wpm
And 35wpm on typewriter
What you must understand is that the Western World has more advanced ways to record speech in government and courts. They use digital recorders, or mechanical shorthand machines, or dictatype machines, or laptops with word-prediction that boost typing speed because you don't actually have to finish a word. They do not use pads of paper and pencils.
My videos show traditional pencil shorthand which is good for personal use and is quiet, but I am afraid it is an obsolete skill in the job-market here.
How long does it take to learn this course.
6 months bro
@Dracopol The recording devices don't explain all.In this age of hyper -communication the words have lost their importance,there's not such care as in the past of the exact terms and expression to use.Besides,today managements exchange wold & excel docs,pdf ,fill web forms and so on,no need of the old fashion written,formal letters to register verbatim.
Bonjour Perre!! Great video! You have a lovely Canadian accent!
Une question pour toi, Pierre. Que'est-que tu écris au commencement de la vidéo?
What I wrote was in 3 lines: "If-you-can read this, I-will / give-you a billion dollars! / No, just kidding!" But someone correctly pointed out I should tuck the "you" in "give-you" underneath, with the crescent facing right.
Dracopol Ah!! I can read it now! Your writing is very clear but it helps if you know what it means. I really should have tried harder before asking you what it meant. I have been learning Pitman 2000 on and off for few years and am now having a go at New Era. Anyway, merci pour ta réponse et vive le Canada....et vive le Pitman!!
Can you decipher something for me. Not long. Can I send it to you?
There may be better decipherers than me on the Facebook group, "Shorthand Writing".
When I took Pitman in school we were taught to use a pencil rather than a pen.
which shorthand is better?
All shorthand systems have undergone a development to maximize speed with a list of special short forms and tricks. Some systems are considered more like "speed writing" if they stick closely to the regular forms of the alphabet. These are easier to learn, but have limits to the top speed possible since you still have to write recognizable letters.
I can only speak about the system I took the trouble to learn. If there is another stroke-based writing-system it may have comparable speed to Pitman.
@@Dracopol okk sir thnx uh...Btt I hv no idea about that. how I learn
You can buy books on learning the shorthand method of your choice.
There is a business college in India that offers a 15-lesson web-course, with sound, for Pitman shorthand. But the trouble is that you need to supply your own extensive practice.
www.stenold.org/onlineshand.html
My website offers other pointers.
pitmanshorthand.homestead.com
I'm sure you don't write dollars like that, isn't a shortform like 'had'??? Need to get my dictionary out. I did New Era, perhaps it's different?
Very helpful for all shorthand learners.
Wish you and your family very happy colourful holi with sweet love . from Jagdish Singh & Sunita Singh
Isn't it also called tachygraphy??
Very helpful. Thanks for sharing.
Sir how to learn short hand at home
You may look up the Stenographer's Guild from Chennai India at "stenold dot org". They offer a 15-lesson online Pitman course, with audio. But they leave practice up to you, which you must practice on your own outside the course. It takes 200-300 hours to learn the system and start building speed beyond your regular handwriting's speed.
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I remember trying to learn this at school in 1970.
Really should use pencil.
Bridget B, yes, pencil should be used as it denotes light and dark strokes perfectly.
@@Pooja-is6te No, the best way is to use a Noodler's flex nib fountain pen. Then you're cooking with gas.
@@mcw1593 sure, if you want to. But most were taught with pencil.
I'm using Noodler's flex Fountain pen... Gud for beginners and 80 wpm.
@cirosuperiore I'm not interested in starting any religious wars. On my site I list 2 Gregg Shorthand sites of interest to you. You're lucky to get proper training in ANY shorthand method these days. If possible, try to find a class to learn beyond just picking it up from books.
If you can read this, I will give you a billion dollars. No, just kidding.
Thats what he wrote. Pitman's is an excellent shorthand. I studied in early 80s. Out of touch since last 15 years. I was typing above 80 wpm before I got my first job.
I think pitman is easier compare to greg.i really had a hard time learning greg.
Very interesting ! Still I prefer Gregg 'cause I'm very clumsy to write different heavy and light strokes
It's not just the hesitation factor - the writer here may be going slowly just to demonstrate - it's the amount of time lost while having to move the pen back to the left, or to pick up the pen to write a suffix or ending. All of this is hugely wasteful of time if you need to write fairly fast, and of course it's tough on beginners. This is why there are so few shorthand writers today (outside of journalism and courts) - the inflexibility of these systems makes them so difficult to learn.
After I learned old-school Pitman, they changed the way to write the "x" for a period (full-stop) so that your hand doesn't end on the left side but on the right side. You are supposed to come in from the top left, loop down and around and exit top right.
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which chapter send me or topic comment and i will upload it
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Im signing up for a class in this, just so no one else at work can read my notes lol
The hand movements are very uneconomical with most shorthand systems. Observe how the writer has to keep working out where to put his pen - this is no criticism of the writer - it's just the system. I have discovered this to be true of all the systems I've tried, which is why I'm developing my own.
we indian pronounce z as zed is it wrong
Abhishek Jha nope, both zed and zee are correct. Zed is more poplar in Europe. India was dominated by the UK in the past so they use the British pronunciation.
see my shorthand video
I have a hard time spelling basic English words correctly I don't think id like to try to write a new language and go any faster lol
@TheAngus777 Angus, I made an annotation box above that appears and TELLS you what it says. "If-you-can read this, I'll give-you a billion dollars! No, just kidding!"
well if you dont want it i'll have it? i live in UK though
We had to use a pencil when we learned it at school.
see my shorthand video
You learnt this in school???
The way I scribe billion is a little different to yours; but I can read it.
This is pitmans shorthand
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i have fail my final examination last october, this fucking things make my moms cut my pocket money. Rolffffffffffffff ;0
@MissPiggyM976 Suit yourself. I'm not here to start a religious war between the shorthand systems, because it's pointless these days. A devotee of the great god "MP3-Player on Recording Function" will point to his device and go nyaaah, nyaaah, nyaaah.
It says if you can read this I will give you a million dollars, no just kidding
+emf1111 I think it was a *billion
Yes, a billion dollars. Even that is ambiguous number. It is $1,000,000,000 in the U.S. but $1,000,000,000,000 in the U.K.
It was billon😁
Do you really have Billion Dollars ?
or you kidding us ?
I like short hand
Nice
Mindful of Lorraine Martin Commercial College....great stenographer that were there....100 words ....for typing then this...incredible tool for lawyers but they have dictaphone etc ha!
nice sir thanx
i'm learning GREGG short hand.
gregg is a much better system
Really? If I can read that you'll give me a billion dollars? Then you tell me you are kidding. Lol. That's a bit cheeky!!!!!!!
Please stop saying the word guys. Not much use for your female viewers. Try using generic terms e.g. people students or everyone
Even women are saying "you guys" these days.
You need to break free from White Knight Syndrome (video to be attached).
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Everything is too similar!!
Double- and half-sized strokes are easy to distinguish from the regular size, so it works out.
its easier to distinguish using pencils rather than pens, as you easily do light and dark strokes
This make no comsinse
Bloody witchcraft