One thing the anime didn't emphasize enough: To Roxy, Rudy's family was the actual first family where she considered home. She never felt home with her real parents due to her incapable of telepathy, so she really wasn't too close to them. In a way she genuinely considered Paul and Zenith as her second family.
I don't think they didn't emphasize it enough though if you're into the story like I am..and I'm anime only you should know this stuff and I didn't have any problem with the ep
@@zLeSshuhn They didn't reemphasize the fact that Roxy doesn't have telepathy, which is a thing that was only brought up in Season 1, and this is important in this context as it gives another layer to her relationship with Rudy's family. If you still remember this that's good. But if you forget this point, most likely will just think like Rudy thinking Roxy was just trying to relate to his feelings when she couldn't.
@@hhjan594 I mean if you don't even remember such a focal point in a very important side character then that's on you. I remember pretty vividly that she had issues with her parents and her entire backstory. It was done very well and it was memorable.
They cut so much you have to either read the LN or watch a cut content video for this, i suggest otaku spirit he goes in depth on what was skipped and i can tell you it's going to be a long episode, for one rudy had been in there for a week not eating so he was in no condition to travel and they needed to find a way to cheer him up, that's when geese said Elinalise could go bang him that usually works, Roxy heard this and got the idea to give it a shot. And Roxy did sit next to him and talk but he was the one that pulled her into his lap and started it.
@Kev376 the anime did fine with the time it was given. Sure, some things had to be cut, but the meeting about Rudy's mental state and his starvation were both shown in one way or another, with the former being mentioned by Roxy during her confession and for the later you'd just have to look at Rudy's face. I get being disappointed with how some things were adapted, but at the end of the day, it could always have been worse.
@@lordmashiro1929 I've already heard multiple reviewers assume Roxy is like raping him. They switched it from rudy pulling her onto his lap then her saying lets do it to what you saw in the anime.
They sure cut a lot... I think it was important to mention that Rudeus hadn't been eating for over a week (only drinking water).The others were fearing he might die if something didn't change. The one to actually bring up the booze and s3x idea was Geeze (after looking at Elinalise), but since she didn't want to do it they were just going to give up and wait. They also stopped at Bazaar for a bit and Elinalise takes the women to drink. Roxy got drunk and told everything to Elinalise, then returned to camp and entered Rudeus tent and weakly beat on his chest. Also Rudeus resisted much more (both about admitting he loved Roxy and about taking her as a 2nd wife). For the latter Elinalise had to lie to him (she hinted Roxy might be pregnant, that got him).
And in the sex scene why did they reverse the situation😭💀Twitter users were mad Roxy took advantage since they're anime only but Rudy was the one who forced himself onto Roxy in the LN I mean Roxy did somewhat seduced him but Rudy dived into that shit, it's the same situation that happened with Lilia
If any, Rudy seemed to be easily taken advanced by 2 of his love interests. Both Eris and Roxy basically got themselves on Rudy to initiate the intimate interaction, and both of them are at quite a mentally fragile moment.
@@UncensoredScion oh okay cool..I still don't agree with the harshness on this ep..but as Anime only I'm still quite satisfied..I don't know if it's just me..and don't get me wrong your worries as a LN reader are not to be disregarded.. but thankfully I didn't interpret it in a bad way even without reading the LN I do agree it would have been way better and more emotional being more dragged out but what can you do.. Just know I read about some changes and I don't mind some of them honestly Well at least know I have another reason not to be lazy and start reading the LN at some point
@@UncensoredScionbeing honest with you, i think i would find it way more negative if they done it just like you desribed it. With the way they do it in the anime, they make it at least for me that she done it out of geniune care for rudy, she is aware of her wrong doing but she did it anyway because she care so much for rudy and not because anyone else. They arent trying to justify or validate her action, which i really like. The last part is what i am really grateful that they changed it, manipulating rudy by lying to him that roxy is pregnant.... I dont really like the sound of that, i would dislike elinalise because of that... They make everything ultimately come from both rudy and roxy own decision with just a little bit of elinalise push at the end. I love this episode as an anime only and i wouldnt ask for more.
15:47 Jirou/Dillo finally makes his appearance 19:55 it's been over 4 months since they left Sharia to go to Begaritt/Rapan, they completely missed the fall season, and winter has pretty much started in the northern territories (there's that much at the start, it gets even worse in the middle of winter).
I mean I was sure this episode would cause quite the ruckus. But more like from anime only viewers about the current developments, instead most I see are discussions about dialogue changes. Did not expect that! lol. Well but it's not like the criticisms I see here are technically wrong. This story means a lot to a lot of people, to me too of course, so everyone is super locked in and scrutinizing every detail whether the studio is doing a good job. So I feel like there might be an emotional reaction right now that is making it seem worse then it actually is. These are some comments from the author after the episode aired: "Stories like last week's, while shocking, are so common that they make me feel at ease, but stories like this make me sick to my stomach because I know that there are more than a certain number of people who won't accept them, and I wonder how to make more people accept them..." "I am so grateful and sorry to those who participated in the script conference, because I think I was a difficult writer to get my ego through, which the original author should not have been thinking about how to make it more acceptable to more people." It makes it kind of seem like he was actually the one who pushed for at least some of these changes.
Well, if the author had a hand in it, then I’m a bit more okay with it. It is good to see an author both involved in the adaptation process AND aware of how the different medium would require some concessions. It helps ensure that any changes for the sake of screentime are still in the spirit of the original. Funny how the author himself can be more open to that than the fans sometimes.
I am more sadden by the lack of Depression weeks than Roxy's eagerness. It should feel heavier than Norn's episode, but we don't even get that. It's like the moment Rudy realized he need to grow up and take care of Zenith. How Rudy feel like he lost 4 parents at the same day. We don't get a fraction of that in today episode.
Pay attention to the small comments in the show. They are almost always more fleshed out than what the anime shows. Like when Roxy mentioned to Rudeus that she knew he was married before she slept with him. This was because Elinalese essentially had Roxy sleep with him as a means to cure his depression. Rudeus had it bad and the show really flies through it. He didn’t eat for a week and was ready to give up on it all. Without Sylphy there Roxy was the only one that could help him. So many anime only fans freaked out when they weren’t getting full context and that’s annoying to us that read the novels.
It was a week from Sharia to the Teleporter (but in the return trip it took 10 days). From the other side the trip to Rapan was 1 month and a half. Plus the time they stayed in Rapan the trip was 4 to 6 months (can't recall exactly).
Rudy and Roxy need to own all of this. The LN having the "team" formulate a plan to get Roxy in bed with him, gaslighting her essentially takes away her agency. In the anime, she WANTS him, so she took him. And then in the LN, Elinalise gaslighting Rudy with pregnancy lies, takes away Rudy's agency. In the anime, he loves her, wants Roxy to be his, and admits to being scum.The LN reasoning was nonsense. Roxy and Rudy are equal scumbags here. The anime did this right.
They do not “formulate a plan to get Roxy with him”. They discuss the possibility of Elinalise doing it, but conclude that Rudeus is strong enough to recover by himself, to which Roxy disagreed. Seems like some people misremember this part. I agree with the pregnancy thing though.
(The LN having the "team" formulate a plan to get Roxy in bed with him) this did not happen, read the whole conversation again, there was no point where it was suggested that Roxy does it, Elinalise even told geese to just bring Rudeus to a brothel. " Elinalise gaslighting Rudy with pregnancy lies" yeah I hated that, I mean, it was a good moment for Elinalise as a manipulator, but it stops Rudeus from doing the right thing without lies.
The first part is absolutely false and just insane misinformation... And in the LN rudues also said he genuine loves her and wants her, but he hesitated until elinalise assured him, It wasn't just because of elinalise's lie. But the pregnancy thing I do agree it was a bit weird/forced, but not nonsense Elinalise was just extremely worried about roxy, because if rudeus leaves her like that she's scared roxy will live a miserable life. Her reasoning was because she knows someone like that (LN readers knows who). But even then rudeus denied and said sylphie is his only wife, which is why elinalise told him that lie. (but changing/removing this part is indeed not a bad thing though) Anyway, in the LN he also admits that he was being extremely selfish and garbage, so I don't know why you made it sound like the anime addded that part
@@ShiNijuuAKL I guess I was just misremembering some stuff, anyway spiler territory below Yeah Im sure she was talking about herself but I guess I was talking about when she revealed her backstory when she met perugius with rudeus and others and not odt?
A LOT got cut, and changes were made. Rudeus had barely been eating for 1-2 weeks, which is why he looks like shit. Geese had gotten people together to go back into the labyrinth and loot whatever they could from the guardian (hydra) room and the hydra's scales, and that took at least a week by itself. The cheating bit was also pretty different - Geese, Talhand, Elinalise, and Roxy were discussing how they were going to deal with Rudeus, and that's were Roxy finds out about Rudeus being married. She then goes into the room Rudeus is in, and they made her way more assertive in the anime. He actually ends up on top, and Roxy starts her whole "we can do it" dialogue, and Rudeus eventually caves. When they wake up, he basically says to himself that he fucked up big time by cheating and was also too rough with Roxy. Also they cut the part where Elinalise pushes Rudeus harder into keeping Roxy by telling him that Roxy didn't have her "monthly visitor" (it takes a month to get to Bazaar from Rapan, and a week to get from Bazaar to the teleportation circle). Since it was cut, you should be able to tell that she was lying, since if it was that important, it would've been included. Some action stuff and small bits of dialogue were cut from the return trip, but that was kind of expected.
The fact that they put roxy on top is like she forcing him, but in the novel, rudy push her down because he accept roxy. That make him appreciate roxy more, but this anime ep make me feel like rudy only feel bad and want to take a responsible on roxy
I actually kinda like how Roxy decided to do it knowing full well how she is in the wrong. It gives more impact when later she admitted by herself, and realized how wrong it is to take advantage of him. And when she declined Rudy's offer to be lovers for just the duration of the trip, it shows how more mature Roxy is compared to Rudy.
Also, it skips the part after the sex where Rudeus somewhat talks to Roxy about his past life, but tells her it's a "hypothetical" or a "dream" and talks more about the regret of not going to his parents' funeral. That of all things really should've been kept in.
"Rudeus had barely been eating for 1-2 weeks, which is why he looks like shit." This was implied by his appearance. I haven't read the novel and I immediately knew it. "Geese had gotten people together to go back into the labyrinth and loot whatever they could from the guardian (hydra) room and the hydra's scales, and that took at least a week by itself." This is useless to the main plot, glad it was cut. This is just extra content that you should read from the novel. "The cheating bit was also pretty different - Geese, Talhand, Elinalise, and Roxy were discussing how they were going to deal with Rudeus, and that's were Roxy finds out about Rudeus being married. She then goes into the room Rudeus is in, and they made her way more assertive in the anime. He actually ends up on top, and Roxy starts her whole "we can do it" dialogue, and Rudeus eventually caves. When they wake up, he basically says to himself that he fucked up big time by cheating and was also too rough with Roxy." This could've been done like in the novel but it didn't make much difference. Generally this anime hasn't cut much of the source and it has been pretty faithful. The entire point is to be faithful to the source allwhile creating a good show, not to follow every single bit and bop from the novel/book.
I agree with you on all of this points, if i need to add anime adaptation is going to show dont tell route from the start. You can easily get Rudy is slim and hasnt eaten anything from depiction of his face u dont need to be told about that.@@captainvanisher988
13:10 One more time?? HAHAHA Crazy. Well, that make sense, I saw 2 psychologists talking about it, and the dopamine discharge for having a caring sex really can help in situations like that (is not the best option, especially if you are married! But ye, that is a thing). Roxy saw as her duty to help someone she love, he wasn't eating for about a week.
This episode really isnt too faithful (pun intended) to the novel since it skipped quite a bit, and also changed things around. However i think i prefer this version more, had they kept what was cut, and kept the changes they made to the source material, i think it wouldve been better than the novel
I mean, for the narrative it was the same, they sure skipped some things and made roxy look like she wanted to NTR sylphy, but in reality it has been a couple weeks already and no one else would (Elinalise said she wouldn't step that low, ever, Lilia for obvious reasons, Zenith... well as far as I know Rudy is not vegetarian, and any other woman with no connection would probably make Rudy feel worse). however I hoped they added the "this is a hypothetical story" bit after the "may I ask you something weird?" but seeing the more important talk with Roxy after it wasa understandable
i love and find it wierd at the same time how similar paul and rudy's situation is(with added bits). zenith is paul sweetheart just like sylphy is to rudy and lilia seduced paul kinda how roxy did. (biggest difference is paul R worded lilia when they where young........well rudy was also a perv towards roxy when he was young i guess, like father like son)
The anime skipped the part where Elinase was actually the one who encouraged Roxy to go through with it. She also learned that he was married. I guess the anime was trying to portray her as strong and independent by making a move on Rudeus to help him feel better. IDK
I love that it starts with him calling himself a fake son and by the end they tie it all back to him being just like his father: Paul. They handle it differently from the novel but this way's pretty good too and it's understandable that they don't have as much time as the novel has.
Sadly this episode skipped soooooo much important and very interesting stuff. Also that one scene with Roxy played out completely differently in the LN. The anime scene was a bit out of character for Roxy IMO. In the LN she wasn't nearly that "pushy" at all, and was more focused on saving his life, since he hadn't eaten for days/weeks. The scene where Elinalise is also completely different in the LN. In the anime it seems a bit weird and out of nowhere that Elinalise asks Rudeus to marry Roxy.
Honestly, the most mature tackling of polygamy/harem tropes that I've seen in an anime. Not playing it for laughs or as a self-insert fantasy, but actually tackling consent, permission, and communication in a way that other media nowadays just don't do. This anime already showed its cards about how it plays around medieval forms of morality. Honestly, the idea of a single wife is fairly recent if you compare the last hundreds of years to the last thousands so in that sense it's understandable that it didn't feel weird to anyone in the group and that people even shipped roxy and rudy in the party.
To add someone else's comment about cut content, one of the important part, the whole reasoning why elinalise wants to help roxy Elinalise was extremely worried about roxy, because she strongly believes/thinks if rudeus leaves her like that she's scared roxy will live a miserable life. Her reasoning was because she knows someone like that (LN readers knows who).
So obviously Pauls death is the regret the Man-God spoke of, however if Rudy didn't go, Roxy would be dead. I think it's pretty obvious Hitogami intended for Rudy to NEVER reunite with Roxy. Something to remember for later. As for how Geese knew, sorry, that's spoilers lol. I will say that Geeses very mannerisms throughout the past two seasons is a clue
Cut content spoiler from the light novel: Lis actually tells Roxy during the time when Rudy is very depressed that the only thing she could think of to snap him out that she could guarantee was a woman and she was unwilling to do it. At this point Roxy was well aware of ihim being married but also knew the level of his depression was so bad that he might actually not survive.
@ShiNijuuAKL it's more that he did suggest it but at the same point Lis agreed with him. If I recall correctly I have to pull up the chapter for it she agrees with him at states that it would work but that she wouldn't be the one to do it because of cliff. They all don't encourage her, but at the same point they also don't tell her to not do it so they left it up to her to decide if she should because they knew at that point she had feelings for him and that he was that depressed. It's more along the lines of that entire piece not being there also changes the contacts by a lot.
I think for an adult it´s not as easy to regain the ability to speak. There is a time window within the first years of humans life. When it´s closed, at around 4-5, you never probably learn properly to speak. Zenith might never be the same again. also 17:36 this conversation is missing a key part: Rudy was close to starve himself to death from depression. Roxy basically saved his life by "cheering him up"
The episode took an axe to many of the things in the book, but the main thing is that it wasn't just the sex that got Rudeus back on his feet, but the conversation he had with Roxy afterward. He told her a (completely fictional) tale of a miserable man who'd been given a second chance and now had blown it, and asked her what that man is supposed to do. They left her answer intact, but left the tale out completely. The setup helped make her reassurance the most impactful line in the books IMO: "Please look to the future. Everyone is waiting for you."
Completely fictional? Wasn't that specifically his former life? I REALLY thought it was his former life and how he messed up, and now he got a second chance
I remember there was a bit more of a build up in the novel up until the point where roxy did what she did to rudeus. I don't really care if they cut some content on the anime from the novel as long as it's trivial, but in this episode I really felt the impact of having a lot of context being cut out from the original. This time I really felt the big difference between the two. In the novel you they really made me feel that sort of desperation of Roxy to help Rudeus in his time of despair, there was a lot of contemplation on her part and she really did thought a lot about it, it's not like she just rush to rudy's room just because she was horny. Also it's totally not her idea in the first place but she was desperate and she was asking for advice on how to cheer him up lol. Also I remember in the Light Novel, during that scene in the anime (iirc), Elinalise told Rudeus that Roxy was delayed and that she is pregnant, that's why Rudy decided to ask Roxy to marry him, so basically my boy was scammed into a shotgun marriage proposal LOL
By "lost cause" she means that by what Elinalise told her, even if she regains her mental faculties she will never regain her memories, so the Zenith they knew is effectively dead.
one of the things I liked about this reaction. not denying that polygamy is a thing that some people would agree with. I don't blame anyone for not agreeing with it but out right villainize people that don't mind it is not okay.
Oh the Geese question is actually a very good one. I'd just say it's something that will be explained only very late in the story. At this point of the story, even in the LN didn't explain this, it was purposely left as a plot point. You can make your guesses, and I do believe an anime only could possible guess the right answer.
It's funny cuz there it was alot of oportunities of roxy and rudy seeing each other before university that went lost. But for one thing or another, they never met even if they were almost in the same place.
I don't like this episode as a light novel reader. They literally cut WEEKS OF DEPRESSION. Rudy was on death's door, literally fine with dying, as he ruminates over his failures, regrets, and his four parents
I don't know what was going through Bind's head in this episode. - Rush was depressed, they didn't even mention that Rudeus spent weeks depressed without eating. - They skipped the whole interaction between Elinalise, Geese, Talhand and Roxy and how Elinalise "gave her the idea" and also how Elinalise still hesitated to let Roxy know that Rudeus was married. - In one fell swoop we enter "THAT MOMENT" -When Elinalize was trying to convince Rudeus, they skipped the moment where he flatly refused to accept Roxy and she tricked him by telling him that Roxy was pregnant.
Why do people care about how other people consume content? Does it affect your life? I have a feeling you gon go to every reaction and write this same damn comment lmaoo. Sure they removed a lot but some of the shit they removed honestly were terrible decisions in the LN like Elinanese lying about Roxy missing her period to make Rudy feel almost hooked into the relationship instead of it just being because he loves Roxy. But either way mf we here to watch anime, if we wanted to read a LN we would. There isn't a single LN adaptation that is one to one because they are completely different mediums.
They fumbled this episode so bad. It's the most important episode of the season and they cut out so much vital information They made Rudeus and especially Roxy look so much worse by cutting out the part Rudeus had been starving himself to death in that room for two weeks
Nah its definitely rushed but it was fine for me, ur never gonna get the level of detail in the LN and they conveyed what they wanted to in the time they had
@@Savldj that excuse won't cut it this time. They didn't cut some small details or something, those were major plot points that justify both of their actions. Now the two of them look so much worse
If there are more episodes, I will agree with you. But this is the reality, they have to pack all things in 2 episodes, and episode 23 is pretty good if you count that in.
The anime skipped too much, most people watching will not have read the light novels or get told by someone that read it Anime only people will just see a terrible looking situation where it looks like rudeus cheats and Roxy becomes a homewrecker for relatively no reason. They will not know it's been weeks and rudeus is on the verge of death because he's lost the will to eat and live. They will not know elinalise coaxes Roxy into seducing rudeus As if mushoku Tensei already wasn't controversial enough, the only saving grace is that most people who want the protagonist characters to be perfect, vanilla, bland and boring, would've dropped the show in season 1
Watching this episode was painful, so I will not watch the reaction, but I will say this: I would advice you to go and read the chapters that first half of this episode covers yourself, as LN is 10000000 times better here. It's chapters 10 & 11 from vol. 12. Seriously, just read those 2 chapters.
Damn i actually didn't like this episode very much.... Not only because of how they adapt Roxy's part, but mainly how they just brushed off the whole depression arc for Rudy. It added a lot for his character to have him ACTUALLY be heavily impactef by Paul's death. In the anime is kind of just "oh no, I'm sad" but in the original it's like a "damn he might actually die here, it's that bad". Also knowing how down he was, Roxy "taking advantage" of him is a lot more nuanced, as she technically had to do that to save him, but still had a problem with the morality of it. 5/10 episode for me, being generous.
How did they "brush it off"? He was literally sickly probably because of not eating for weeks and was at the same level he was when the Eris event happened to him. If you have a little more insight you understand exactly the situation Rudy is in and the paralels to his first depression. It's just that people are highly media illiterate and light novel readers seem to not understand that not every can and will be adapted in a good adaptation.
@@captainvanisher988 no the episode was just genuinely that disappointing for LN readers. You don't have to blame anybody for having the wrong feelings. It has nothing to do with media illiteracy.
@@captainvanisher988 yea he was, because that's exactly what happened... Even more so than with Eris actually. But in the adaptation we didn't get none of that, it's just an "implied" thing. We get a shot of him sad at the very end of last episode, and on this it jumps straight to Roxy fixing it. No explanation, not even some time to digest that he's in this state. For anime onlys it literally looks like "oh no, my parents are gone but I got a new wife :D" We get him more concerned with Sylphy than with the literal life changing moment that just happened the very previous episode.... While in the original we had a lot more. I mean a LOT more. We even get a whole scene of him remembering his previous life and reflecting on his personality, reflecting on his past actions and how much this affected him. It's similar to that scene back before TP1, when he regrets making a move on Eris and the anime had to remove a lot of depth for time's sake, but that was a rare thing in season 1, and also this was a damn highlight of the entire story for the fans. After this, I'm literally less excited for Turning Point 4, because if this is the "depth" we can expect it will fall flat.
@@captainvanisher988 sorry for the wall of text, it's just that this is one of my favourite stories, and seeing it "done dirty", in my opinion, was a bit of a sore spot
@@Panthromise Yes it has. You cannot point to a single adaptation that hasn't cut things from the main source. The best of the best have cut parts and a lot of the times enormous parts.
I recommend yall who watch anime only go watch some skipped content video, since the anime can't cover every thing in the novel, this ep was cut alots. I don't feel enough emotional as I feels when I read the novel
They did this ep not clear enough, rudy hadn't eat for weeks and been blaming himself all that time. If Roxy not saving him from this, he prob never get out of that, but the way they cut the whole scene when roxy know about rudy already have a wife and her conversation with elinalise make this scene feel really "no emotion"
@@captainvanisher988 Oh, definitivamente lo hicieron, eliminaron la charla grupal sobre Rudeus, eliminaron al amigo de Roxy que era casi como un hermano para ella, eliminaron los pensamientos de Rudeus sobre eso, eliminaron la manipulación de Elinalise al decir que Roxy estaba embarazada etc...
@@Lipe326 All things that were not vital to the story. You seem to not understand that parts of the story OUGHT to be removed so it can be adapted. Lord of the Rings 1 cut out an entire part of the book around 1/5th of it and it's still one of the best fantasy movies ever created.
Unacceptable, really unacceptable. The important psychological portrayal, the discussion between Gress and Elaine was lost, which is too essential for the depth of this plot. Rudy's sadness and his regret for not properly honoring his parents in this life and past lives were not expressed. Elaine's inner conflict (her love for her granddaughter and her friendship with Roxy) was also not expressed. Now it seems that Roxy is just an opportunistic third wheel, and Elaine is inexplicably sabotaging her own granddaughter, which is very different from the novel. I strongly suggest that this part must be supplemented by reading the novel. At most, I would rate this episode 5/10. fking, unacceptable.
Yet I am an anime only and I understood this "Rudy's sadness and his regret for not properly honoring his parents in this life and past lives" immediately, so it was expressed. "Now it seems that Roxy is just an opportunistic third wheel" No it doesn't. Only low IQ media illiterate people would come to that conclusion. If you pay attention and understand what is going on, you know that Roxy's actions were gray, meaning they were both selfish and selfless. "Elinalise is inexplicably sabotaging her own granddaughter" No she is not. She clearly pointed out that Rudy can love them both equally and that she is not a Milis follower herself so monogamy on the man's part is not a thing she explicitly believes. I strongly suggest you do a rewatch and instead of reviewing it with the "novel mind", you review with how it actually looks. Because what you described here is the common low IQ take that needs to be gatekept off of our medium.
did it show the inner conflict Elinalise was having though? Greece asked Elinalise to have sex with Rudy because he thought that this 'activity' was how a man got comfort. And Elinalise did that in the past. (She was the one who told Geese that was how a man got comfort.) However, Elinalise was not into that this time because she didn't want to betray her granddaughter and Cliff. "After" hearing this, Roxy decided to help Rudy herself. She didn't come up with the idea to have sex with Rudy. Geese did. However, in this version Roxy became the one who immediately thought of having sex with Rudy. After, Elinalise found out Roxy and Rudy were having sex. She thought a lot and came up with the idea that "I met Roxy first. Then, I reunited with my granddaughter. I love them both so I have to be that guy to suggest Rudy to marry Roxy." However, in this version, Elinalise ran straight to the conclusion that Rudy could fairly love Sylvie and Roxy at the same time because he was Paul's son. Did the anime show this depth? No, it didn't. Did it show the sadness of Rudy and Roxy's selfish and selfless actions? Yes, it did. So, it is a 5/10 because it only did half the job. Next time, before you say someone is "novel mind" how about you go check the novel and see the difference first. The anime was doing so good in the season but suddenly this come up. It is hard not feel angry about that.
@@user-ei8sy1jx1z Again you seem to not understand that NOT every part of the light novel can be adapted. Can you give me a single show that adapted a light novel to a tea? Nope. Not even s1 of Mushoku that had far more time and budget to adapt it, adapted it to the tea. They also cut out a bunch of things for s1. As I said, everything you're talking about here makes little difference to the overarching plot hence why it was cut. Does this adaptation show depth? 100% it does. You're just too self absorbed to see it. Now does it show the same depth that the light novel does? OBVIOUSLY NOT. Season 1 didn't either. If a show is based on books that are considered masterpieces 99% of the time, they will never reach the depth that the book is reaching. Because they are inherently different mediums.
It obviously changes Roxy and Elinalise as a character. I like Roxy as a character. I like how she is willing to take in all the guilt. I also appreciate how Elinalise plays the bad guy. It is the depth of their personality. The anime just changed it, especially Elinalise. You can still see Roxy was trying to help Rudy but not only being a third wheel. However, in the anime, Elinalise become a person who sabotage her granddaughter without proper explanation. I know there is not enough time left but that still feels suck. Not that I don't understand there is a real reason that some content has to be skipped but it is still suck.
This episode did a terrible job at explaining anything. Rudy was locked in his room for a LONG ass time and no one could help him. After many days the team brought up if only sylphie was here, sex can help a man. Enelise refused to sleep with him to help him. So roxy decided on her own to help. Two months later when they warped back, Enelise told Rudy that roxy hadn't had her time of the month since they slept together. That's why Rudy decided try to marry roxy, cuz he had another kid on the way (a lie by Enelise btw) Whoever wrote this episode needs to be fired
@ShiNijuuAKL it was the focal point for the entire reason he pushes it. He wants to be faithful to sylphie, but even more so he wants to take responsibility for a kid he's bringing into the world. So yeah it was a stupid lie, but it was necessary
One thing the anime didn't emphasize enough:
To Roxy, Rudy's family was the actual first family where she considered home.
She never felt home with her real parents due to her incapable of telepathy, so she really wasn't too close to them.
In a way she genuinely considered Paul and Zenith as her second family.
I see.
I don't think they didn't emphasize it enough though if you're into the story like I am..and I'm anime only you should know this stuff and I didn't have any problem with the ep
@@zLeSshuhn They didn't reemphasize the fact that Roxy doesn't have telepathy, which is a thing that was only brought up in Season 1, and this is important in this context as it gives another layer to her relationship with Rudy's family. If you still remember this that's good. But if you forget this point, most likely will just think like Rudy thinking Roxy was just trying to relate to his feelings when she couldn't.
@@hhjan594 I mean if you don't even remember such a focal point in a very important side character then that's on you. I remember pretty vividly that she had issues with her parents and her entire backstory. It was done very well and it was memorable.
This is why I read the LN
Roxy got her Rudy preorder delivered
only took 10 years
horrible service but she's probably satisfied
@@user-zl1vf4me1p better that she waited lol
Roxy saw an opportunity and took it
Ikr. To her crush
Totally 💯 she went straight in, couldn’t hold it any longer
They cut so much you have to either read the LN or watch a cut content video for this, i suggest otaku spirit he goes in depth on what was skipped and i can tell you it's going to be a long episode, for one rudy had been in there for a week not eating so he was in no condition to travel and they needed to find a way to cheer him up, that's when geese said Elinalise could go bang him that usually works, Roxy heard this and got the idea to give it a shot. And Roxy did sit next to him and talk but he was the one that pulled her into his lap and started it.
@Kev376 the anime did fine with the time it was given. Sure, some things had to be cut, but the meeting about Rudy's mental state and his starvation were both shown in one way or another, with the former being mentioned by Roxy during her confession and for the later you'd just have to look at Rudy's face.
I get being disappointed with how some things were adapted, but at the end of the day, it could always have been worse.
@@lordmashiro1929 I've already heard multiple reviewers assume Roxy is like raping him. They switched it from rudy pulling her onto his lap then her saying lets do it to what you saw in the anime.
They sure cut a lot... I think it was important to mention that Rudeus hadn't been eating for over a week (only drinking water).The others were fearing he might die if something didn't change. The one to actually bring up the booze and s3x idea was Geeze (after looking at Elinalise), but since she didn't want to do it they were just going to give up and wait.
They also stopped at Bazaar for a bit and Elinalise takes the women to drink. Roxy got drunk and told everything to Elinalise, then returned to camp and entered Rudeus tent and weakly beat on his chest.
Also Rudeus resisted much more (both about admitting he loved Roxy and about taking her as a 2nd wife). For the latter Elinalise had to lie to him (she hinted Roxy might be pregnant, that got him).
And in the sex scene why did they reverse the situation😭💀Twitter users were mad Roxy took advantage since they're anime only but Rudy was the one who forced himself onto Roxy in the LN I mean Roxy did somewhat seduced him but Rudy dived into that shit, it's the same situation that happened with Lilia
If any, Rudy seemed to be easily taken advanced by 2 of his love interests.
Both Eris and Roxy basically got themselves on Rudy to initiate the intimate interaction, and both of them are at quite a mentally fragile moment.
@@UncensoredScion Yeah I'm also super pissed they cut those parts too. The anime tells quite a different story without these content.
@@hhjan594 facts without context.
@@UncensoredScion expect for the fact that the scene in the desert makes it pretty clear what her intentions was without all
of you LN readers coping
@@UncensoredScion oh okay cool..I still don't agree with the harshness on this ep..but as Anime only I'm still quite satisfied..I don't know if it's just me..and don't get me wrong your worries as a LN reader are not to be disregarded..
but thankfully I didn't interpret it in a bad way even without reading the LN
I do agree it would have been way better and more emotional being more dragged out but what can you do..
Just know I read about some changes and I don't mind some of them honestly
Well at least know I have another reason not to be lazy and start reading the LN at some point
@@UncensoredScionbeing honest with you, i think i would find it way more negative if they done it just like you desribed it. With the way they do it in the anime, they make it at least for me that she done it out of geniune care for rudy, she is aware of her wrong doing but she did it anyway because she care so much for rudy and not because anyone else. They arent trying to justify or validate her action, which i really like. The last part is what i am really grateful that they changed it, manipulating rudy by lying to him that roxy is pregnant.... I dont really like the sound of that, i would dislike elinalise because of that... They make everything ultimately come from both rudy and roxy own decision with just a little bit of elinalise push at the end. I love this episode as an anime only and i wouldnt ask for more.
15:47 Jirou/Dillo finally makes his appearance
19:55 it's been over 4 months since they left Sharia to go to Begaritt/Rapan, they completely missed the fall season, and winter has pretty much started in the northern territories (there's that much at the start, it gets even worse in the middle of winter).
I’m not gonna lie, they left out so many details :/ Rudy’s perspective should’ve hurt a lot more
Yep.
I mean I was sure this episode would cause quite the ruckus.
But more like from anime only viewers about the current developments, instead most I see are discussions about dialogue changes. Did not expect that! lol.
Well but it's not like the criticisms I see here are technically wrong.
This story means a lot to a lot of people, to me too of course, so everyone is super locked in and scrutinizing every detail whether the studio is doing a good job. So I feel like there might be an emotional reaction right now that is making it seem worse then it actually is.
These are some comments from the author after the episode aired:
"Stories like last week's, while shocking, are so common that they make me feel at ease, but stories like this make me sick to my stomach because I know that there are more than a certain number of people who won't accept them, and I wonder how to make more people accept them..."
"I am so grateful and sorry to those who participated in the script conference, because I think I was a difficult writer to get my ego through, which the original author should not have been thinking about how to make it more acceptable to more people."
It makes it kind of seem like he was actually the one who pushed for at least some of these changes.
Well, if the author had a hand in it, then I’m a bit more okay with it. It is good to see an author both involved in the adaptation process AND aware of how the different medium would require some concessions. It helps ensure that any changes for the sake of screentime are still in the spirit of the original.
Funny how the author himself can be more open to that than the fans sometimes.
I am more sadden by the lack of Depression weeks than Roxy's eagerness. It should feel heavier than Norn's episode, but we don't even get that. It's like the moment Rudy realized he need to grow up and take care of Zenith. How Rudy feel like he lost 4 parents at the same day.
We don't get a fraction of that in today episode.
I’m an anime only and absolutely loved this episode, character motivations made sense direction was beautiful
Pay attention to the small comments in the show. They are almost always more fleshed out than what the anime shows. Like when Roxy mentioned to Rudeus that she knew he was married before she slept with him. This was because Elinalese essentially had Roxy sleep with him as a means to cure his depression. Rudeus had it bad and the show really flies through it. He didn’t eat for a week and was ready to give up on it all. Without Sylphy there Roxy was the only one that could help him. So many anime only fans freaked out when they weren’t getting full context and that’s annoying to us that read the novels.
It was a week from Sharia to the Teleporter (but in the return trip it took 10 days). From the other side the trip to Rapan was 1 month and a half. Plus the time they stayed in Rapan the trip was 4 to 6 months (can't recall exactly).
Rudy and Roxy need to own all of this. The LN having the "team" formulate a plan to get Roxy in bed with him, gaslighting her essentially takes away her agency. In the anime, she WANTS him, so she took him. And then in the LN, Elinalise gaslighting Rudy with pregnancy lies, takes away Rudy's agency. In the anime, he loves her, wants Roxy to be his, and admits to being scum.The LN reasoning was nonsense. Roxy and Rudy are equal scumbags here. The anime did this right.
They do not “formulate a plan to get Roxy with him”. They discuss the possibility of Elinalise doing it, but conclude that Rudeus is strong enough to recover by himself, to which Roxy disagreed. Seems like some people misremember this part. I agree with the pregnancy thing though.
(The LN having the "team" formulate a plan to get Roxy in bed with him) this did not happen, read the whole conversation again, there was no point where it was suggested that Roxy does it, Elinalise even told geese to just bring Rudeus to a brothel.
" Elinalise gaslighting Rudy with pregnancy lies" yeah I hated that, I mean, it was a good moment for Elinalise as a manipulator, but it stops Rudeus from doing the right thing without lies.
The first part is absolutely false and just insane misinformation...
And in the LN rudues also said he genuine loves her and wants her, but he hesitated until elinalise assured him, It wasn't just because of elinalise's lie.
But the pregnancy thing I do agree it was a bit weird/forced, but not nonsense
Elinalise was just extremely worried about roxy, because if rudeus leaves her like that she's scared roxy will live a miserable life.
Her reasoning was because she knows someone like that (LN readers knows who).
But even then rudeus denied and said sylphie is his only wife, which is why elinalise told him that lie. (but changing/removing this part is indeed not a bad thing though)
Anyway, in the LN he also admits that he was being extremely selfish and garbage, so I don't know why you made it sound like the anime addded that part
@@RajioOn I think elinalise was talking about herself, she doesn't have memories from odt
@@ShiNijuuAKL I guess I was just misremembering some stuff, anyway spiler territory below
Yeah Im sure she was talking about herself
but I guess I was talking about when she revealed her backstory when she met perugius with rudeus and others and not odt?
A LOT got cut, and changes were made. Rudeus had barely been eating for 1-2 weeks, which is why he looks like shit. Geese had gotten people together to go back into the labyrinth and loot whatever they could from the guardian (hydra) room and the hydra's scales, and that took at least a week by itself.
The cheating bit was also pretty different - Geese, Talhand, Elinalise, and Roxy were discussing how they were going to deal with Rudeus, and that's were Roxy finds out about Rudeus being married. She then goes into the room Rudeus is in, and they made her way more assertive in the anime. He actually ends up on top, and Roxy starts her whole "we can do it" dialogue, and Rudeus eventually caves. When they wake up, he basically says to himself that he fucked up big time by cheating and was also too rough with Roxy.
Also they cut the part where Elinalise pushes Rudeus harder into keeping Roxy by telling him that Roxy didn't have her "monthly visitor" (it takes a month to get to Bazaar from Rapan, and a week to get from Bazaar to the teleportation circle). Since it was cut, you should be able to tell that she was lying, since if it was that important, it would've been included. Some action stuff and small bits of dialogue were cut from the return trip, but that was kind of expected.
The fact that they put roxy on top is like she forcing him, but in the novel, rudy push her down because he accept roxy. That make him appreciate roxy more, but this anime ep make me feel like rudy only feel bad and want to take a responsible on roxy
I actually kinda like how Roxy decided to do it knowing full well how she is in the wrong. It gives more impact when later she admitted by herself, and realized how wrong it is to take advantage of him. And when she declined Rudy's offer to be lovers for just the duration of the trip, it shows how more mature Roxy is compared to Rudy.
Also, it skips the part after the sex where Rudeus somewhat talks to Roxy about his past life, but tells her it's a "hypothetical" or a "dream" and talks more about the regret of not going to his parents' funeral. That of all things really should've been kept in.
"Rudeus had barely been eating for 1-2 weeks, which is why he looks like shit." This was implied by his appearance. I haven't read the novel and I immediately knew it.
"Geese had gotten people together to go back into the labyrinth and loot whatever they could from the guardian (hydra) room and the hydra's scales, and that took at least a week by itself." This is useless to the main plot, glad it was cut. This is just extra content that you should read from the novel.
"The cheating bit was also pretty different - Geese, Talhand, Elinalise, and Roxy were discussing how they were going to deal with Rudeus, and that's were Roxy finds out about Rudeus being married. She then goes into the room Rudeus is in, and they made her way more assertive in the anime. He actually ends up on top, and Roxy starts her whole "we can do it" dialogue, and Rudeus eventually caves. When they wake up, he basically says to himself that he fucked up big time by cheating and was also too rough with Roxy."
This could've been done like in the novel but it didn't make much difference.
Generally this anime hasn't cut much of the source and it has been pretty faithful. The entire point is to be faithful to the source allwhile creating a good show, not to follow every single bit and bop from the novel/book.
I agree with you on all of this points, if i need to add anime adaptation is going to show dont tell route from the start. You can easily get Rudy is slim and hasnt eaten anything from depiction of his face u dont need to be told about that.@@captainvanisher988
13:10 One more time?? HAHAHA Crazy. Well, that make sense, I saw 2 psychologists talking about it, and the dopamine discharge for having a caring sex really can help in situations like that (is not the best option, especially if you are married! But ye, that is a thing). Roxy saw as her duty to help someone she love, he wasn't eating for about a week.
This episode really isnt too faithful (pun intended) to the novel since it skipped quite a bit, and also changed things around. However i think i prefer this version more, had they kept what was cut, and kept the changes they made to the source material, i think it wouldve been better than the novel
While not being faithful to the novel i like this version more.
Oh OK
I mean, for the narrative it was the same, they sure skipped some things and made roxy look like she wanted to NTR sylphy, but in reality it has been a couple weeks already and no one else would (Elinalise said she wouldn't step that low, ever, Lilia for obvious reasons, Zenith... well as far as I know Rudy is not vegetarian, and any other woman with no connection would probably make Rudy feel worse).
however I hoped they added the "this is a hypothetical story" bit after the "may I ask you something weird?" but seeing the more important talk with Roxy after it wasa understandable
i love and find it wierd at the same time how similar paul and rudy's situation is(with added bits).
zenith is paul sweetheart just like sylphy is to rudy and lilia seduced paul kinda how roxy did.
(biggest difference is paul R worded lilia when they where young........well rudy was also a perv towards roxy when he was young i guess, like father like son)
The anime skipped the part where Elinase was actually the one who encouraged Roxy to go through with it. She also learned that he was married. I guess the anime was trying to portray her as strong and independent by making a move on Rudeus to help him feel better. IDK
I love that it starts with him calling himself a fake son and by the end they tie it all back to him being just like his father: Paul. They handle it differently from the novel but this way's pretty good too and it's understandable that they don't have as much time as the novel has.
It's interesting to hear all the theories about how Zenith ended up in the crystal, especially for Light Novel readers who know.
Sadly this episode skipped soooooo much important and very interesting stuff. Also that one scene with Roxy played out completely differently in the LN. The anime scene was a bit out of character for Roxy IMO. In the LN she wasn't nearly that "pushy" at all, and was more focused on saving his life, since he hadn't eaten for days/weeks.
The scene where Elinalise is also completely different in the LN. In the anime it seems a bit weird and out of nowhere that Elinalise asks Rudeus to marry Roxy.
Elinalese pushed Roxy to sleep with Rudy. Rudeus was going to fall into despair and Roxy was the only one present that could heal his psyche
Honestly, the most mature tackling of polygamy/harem tropes that I've seen in an anime. Not playing it for laughs or as a self-insert fantasy, but actually tackling consent, permission, and communication in a way that other media nowadays just don't do. This anime already showed its cards about how it plays around medieval forms of morality. Honestly, the idea of a single wife is fairly recent if you compare the last hundreds of years to the last thousands so in that sense it's understandable that it didn't feel weird to anyone in the group and that people even shipped roxy and rudy in the party.
the novel is already complete way before it was adapted
To add someone else's comment about cut content,
one of the important part, the whole reasoning why elinalise wants to help roxy
Elinalise was extremely worried about roxy, because she strongly believes/thinks if rudeus leaves her like that she's scared roxy will live a miserable life.
Her reasoning was because she knows someone like that (LN readers knows who).
The final conclusion though, is that Elinalise is the best wingman, haha...
Elinanese plotting all this in the background
Roxy, you little home wrecker😂😂😂
Hey man, too far😢
Maybe quisiste decir... Reforzadora de hogares!
So obviously Pauls death is the regret the Man-God spoke of, however if Rudy didn't go, Roxy would be dead.
I think it's pretty obvious Hitogami intended for Rudy to NEVER reunite with Roxy. Something to remember for later.
As for how Geese knew, sorry, that's spoilers lol. I will say that Geeses very mannerisms throughout the past two seasons is a clue
this is pretty misleading since hitogami will claim something else later on in season 3 these are boarderline spoilers especially with geese
In the manga and light novel, Silphy had already told Rudy that she wouldn't be angry if he got a mistress while she was pregnant before he left.
Cut content spoiler from the light novel:
Lis actually tells Roxy during the time when Rudy is very depressed that the only thing she could think of to snap him out that she could guarantee was a woman and she was unwilling to do it. At this point Roxy was well aware of ihim being married but also knew the level of his depression was so bad that he might actually not survive.
Why people keep saying this? the one who came up with the idea was Geese, and at no moment did anyone suggested that Roxy should do it
@ShiNijuuAKL it's more that he did suggest it but at the same point Lis agreed with him. If I recall correctly I have to pull up the chapter for it she agrees with him at states that it would work but that she wouldn't be the one to do it because of cliff. They all don't encourage her, but at the same point they also don't tell her to not do it so they left it up to her to decide if she should because they knew at that point she had feelings for him and that he was that depressed. It's more along the lines of that entire piece not being there also changes the contacts by a lot.
I think for an adult it´s not as easy to regain the ability to speak. There is a time window within the first years of humans life. When it´s closed, at around 4-5, you never probably learn properly to speak. Zenith might never be the same again.
also 17:36
this conversation is missing a key part: Rudy was close to starve himself to death from depression. Roxy basically saved his life by "cheering him up"
The episode took an axe to many of the things in the book, but the main thing is that it wasn't just the sex that got Rudeus back on his feet, but the conversation he had with Roxy afterward. He told her a (completely fictional) tale of a miserable man who'd been given a second chance and now had blown it, and asked her what that man is supposed to do. They left her answer intact, but left the tale out completely. The setup helped make her reassurance the most impactful line in the books IMO: "Please look to the future. Everyone is waiting for you."
Completely fictional? Wasn't that specifically his former life? I REALLY thought it was his former life and how he messed up, and now he got a second chance
@@addidaswguy Rudeus himself calls it "completely fiction" or "hypothetical"
@@Panthromise yeah it's like when someone asks for advice not a "friend" lol
@@addidaswguy I think she saw through it as well.
I remember there was a bit more of a build up in the novel up until the point where roxy did what she did to rudeus. I don't really care if they cut some content on the anime from the novel as long as it's trivial, but in this episode I really felt the impact of having a lot of context being cut out from the original. This time I really felt the big difference between the two. In the novel you they really made me feel that sort of desperation of Roxy to help Rudeus in his time of despair, there was a lot of contemplation on her part and she really did thought a lot about it, it's not like she just rush to rudy's room just because she was horny. Also it's totally not her idea in the first place but she was desperate and she was asking for advice on how to cheer him up lol. Also I remember in the Light Novel, during that scene in the anime (iirc), Elinalise told Rudeus that Roxy was delayed and that she is pregnant, that's why Rudy decided to ask Roxy to marry him, so basically my boy was scammed into a shotgun marriage proposal LOL
By "lost cause" she means that by what Elinalise told her, even if she regains her mental faculties she will never regain her memories, so the Zenith they knew is effectively dead.
We got the squirtle guys
16:27 "Shishou" Doesn't exactly have all the same meanings as "Master" in English.
9:33 hit so fcking hard
Rudyus is not a follower of Millis, but his mom is.
one of the things I liked about this reaction. not denying that polygamy is a thing that some people would agree with. I don't blame anyone for not agreeing with it but out right villainize people that don't mind it is not okay.
I'm glad I don't read the light novel
I liked this episode but all I see are readers complaining about it lol
10:44 Go home translator, you're drunk. Did they even proofread that?
Oh the Geese question is actually a very good one.
I'd just say it's something that will be explained only very late in the story. At this point of the story, even in the LN didn't explain this, it was purposely left as a plot point. You can make your guesses, and I do believe an anime only could possible guess the right answer.
They really cut a lot of important stuff huh? Still good though. I just wonder how they’re gonna carry one change in particular into the next episode.
It's funny cuz there it was alot of oportunities of roxy and rudy seeing each other before university that went lost. But for one thing or another, they never met even if they were almost in the same place.
Imagine if you were in the same situation. will definitely get married
Nah I wouldn’t bro taking advantage of a man when he’s down in the dumps is crazy
bros reaction is totally the opposite of the girls reaction in this ep
damn femenist
In a perfect world, had this episode got adapted properly it would've been as good as the Norn episode imo
Pero hay que ser positivos también jajaja, ponte a pensar que para el siguiente capítulo, Rifujin nos deleitará con un capítulo de drama puro y duro 😂
I don't like this episode as a light novel reader. They literally cut WEEKS OF DEPRESSION. Rudy was on death's door, literally fine with dying, as he ruminates over his failures, regrets, and his four parents
I don't know what was going through Bind's head in this episode.
- Rush was depressed, they didn't even mention that Rudeus spent weeks depressed without eating.
- They skipped the whole interaction between Elinalise, Geese, Talhand and Roxy and how Elinalise "gave her the idea" and also how Elinalise still hesitated to let Roxy know that Rudeus was married.
- In one fell swoop we enter "THAT MOMENT"
-When Elinalize was trying to convince Rudeus, they skipped the moment where he flatly refused to accept Roxy and she tricked him by telling him that Roxy was pregnant.
liked the anime episode but did not like all the stuff they skipped in this episode like rudeus telling roxy he is reincarnated was skipped :(
When [ Made in Abyss ] reaction
Welp the internet is going to burn down because of MT again lol
READ THE LN FOR THIS PART PLEASE or WATCH THE CUT OUT CONTENT
Why do people care about how other people consume content? Does it affect your life? I have a feeling you gon go to every reaction and write this same damn comment lmaoo. Sure they removed a lot but some of the shit they removed honestly were terrible decisions in the LN like Elinanese lying about Roxy missing her period to make Rudy feel almost hooked into the relationship instead of it just being because he loves Roxy. But either way mf we here to watch anime, if we wanted to read a LN we would. There isn't a single LN adaptation that is one to one because they are completely different mediums.
@@ImAviex hah?
@@sultanprawiro3069I'm an anime only but still saw this shit coming miles away, like ofcourse some parts are going get cut nonetheless
They fumbled this episode so bad. It's the most important episode of the season and they cut out so much vital information
They made Rudeus and especially Roxy look so much worse by cutting out the part Rudeus had been starving himself to death in that room for two weeks
Nah its definitely rushed but it was fine for me, ur never gonna get the level of detail in the LN and they conveyed what they wanted to in the time they had
nah they made Rudy less guilty and Roxy more guilty than what they put in the novel
@@patthomes8811 nah roxy was 100% more guilty in the novel, she backed him into a corner
@@Savldj that excuse won't cut it this time. They didn't cut some small details or something, those were major plot points that justify both of their actions.
Now the two of them look so much worse
If there are more episodes, I will agree with you. But this is the reality, they have to pack all things in 2 episodes, and episode 23 is pretty good if you count that in.
The anime skipped too much, most people watching will not have read the light novels or get told by someone that read it
Anime only people will just see a terrible looking situation where it looks like rudeus cheats and Roxy becomes a homewrecker for relatively no reason. They will not know it's been weeks and rudeus is on the verge of death because he's lost the will to eat and live. They will not know elinalise coaxes Roxy into seducing rudeus
As if mushoku Tensei already wasn't controversial enough, the only saving grace is that most people who want the protagonist characters to be perfect, vanilla, bland and boring, would've dropped the show in season 1
Watching this episode was painful, so I will not watch the reaction, but I will say this: I would advice you to go and read the chapters that first half of this episode covers yourself, as LN is 10000000 times better here. It's chapters 10 & 11 from vol. 12. Seriously, just read those 2 chapters.
Damn i actually didn't like this episode very much.... Not only because of how they adapt Roxy's part, but mainly how they just brushed off the whole depression arc for Rudy.
It added a lot for his character to have him ACTUALLY be heavily impactef by Paul's death. In the anime is kind of just "oh no, I'm sad" but in the original it's like a "damn he might actually die here, it's that bad".
Also knowing how down he was, Roxy "taking advantage" of him is a lot more nuanced, as she technically had to do that to save him, but still had a problem with the morality of it.
5/10 episode for me, being generous.
How did they "brush it off"? He was literally sickly probably because of not eating for weeks and was at the same level he was when the Eris event happened to him.
If you have a little more insight you understand exactly the situation Rudy is in and the paralels to his first depression. It's just that people are highly media illiterate and light novel readers seem to not understand that not every can and will be adapted in a good adaptation.
@@captainvanisher988 no the episode was just genuinely that disappointing for LN readers. You don't have to blame anybody for having the wrong feelings. It has nothing to do with media illiteracy.
@@captainvanisher988 yea he was, because that's exactly what happened... Even more so than with Eris actually.
But in the adaptation we didn't get none of that, it's just an "implied" thing. We get a shot of him sad at the very end of last episode, and on this it jumps straight to Roxy fixing it. No explanation, not even some time to digest that he's in this state. For anime onlys it literally looks like "oh no, my parents are gone but I got a new wife :D"
We get him more concerned with Sylphy than with the literal life changing moment that just happened the very previous episode.... While in the original we had a lot more. I mean a LOT more. We even get a whole scene of him remembering his previous life and reflecting on his personality, reflecting on his past actions and how much this affected him.
It's similar to that scene back before TP1, when he regrets making a move on Eris and the anime had to remove a lot of depth for time's sake, but that was a rare thing in season 1, and also this was a damn highlight of the entire story for the fans.
After this, I'm literally less excited for Turning Point 4, because if this is the "depth" we can expect it will fall flat.
@@captainvanisher988 sorry for the wall of text, it's just that this is one of my favourite stories, and seeing it "done dirty", in my opinion, was a bit of a sore spot
@@Panthromise Yes it has. You cannot point to a single adaptation that hasn't cut things from the main source. The best of the best have cut parts and a lot of the times enormous parts.
I recommend yall who watch anime only go watch some skipped content video, since the anime can't cover every thing in the novel, this ep was cut alots. I don't feel enough emotional as I feels when I read the novel
They did this ep not clear enough, rudy hadn't eat for weeks and been blaming himself all that time. If Roxy not saving him from this, he prob never get out of that, but the way they cut the whole scene when roxy know about rudy already have a wife and her conversation with elinalise make this scene feel really "no emotion"
They cut so much lol not even elinalise telling rudeus roxy is pregnant to force him to marry her
They skipped too much 😭
No they didn't.
@@captainvanisher988 Oh, definitivamente lo hicieron, eliminaron la charla grupal sobre Rudeus, eliminaron al amigo de Roxy que era casi como un hermano para ella, eliminaron los pensamientos de Rudeus sobre eso, eliminaron la manipulación de Elinalise al decir que Roxy estaba embarazada etc...
@@Lipe326 All things that were not vital to the story. You seem to not understand that parts of the story OUGHT to be removed so it can be adapted. Lord of the Rings 1 cut out an entire part of the book around 1/5th of it and it's still one of the best fantasy movies ever created.
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- silphy have like 7/8 months of pregnancy 😂
Unacceptable, really unacceptable. The important psychological portrayal, the discussion between Gress and Elaine was lost, which is too essential for the depth of this plot. Rudy's sadness and his regret for not properly honoring his parents in this life and past lives were not expressed. Elaine's inner conflict (her love for her granddaughter and her friendship with Roxy) was also not expressed. Now it seems that Roxy is just an opportunistic third wheel, and Elaine is inexplicably sabotaging her own granddaughter, which is very different from the novel. I strongly suggest that this part must be supplemented by reading the novel.
At most, I would rate this episode 5/10.
fking, unacceptable.
Yet I am an anime only and I understood this "Rudy's sadness and his regret for not properly honoring his parents in this life and past lives" immediately, so it was expressed.
"Now it seems that Roxy is just an opportunistic third wheel" No it doesn't. Only low IQ media illiterate people would come to that conclusion. If you pay attention and understand what is going on, you know that Roxy's actions were gray, meaning they were both selfish and selfless.
"Elinalise is inexplicably sabotaging her own granddaughter" No she is not. She clearly pointed out that Rudy can love them both equally and that she is not a Milis follower herself so monogamy on the man's part is not a thing she explicitly believes.
I strongly suggest you do a rewatch and instead of reviewing it with the "novel mind", you review with how it actually looks. Because what you described here is the common low IQ take that needs to be gatekept off of our medium.
did it show the inner conflict Elinalise was having though? Greece asked Elinalise to have sex with Rudy because he thought that this 'activity' was how a man got comfort. And Elinalise did that in the past. (She was the one who told Geese that was how a man got comfort.)
However, Elinalise was not into that this time because she didn't want to betray her granddaughter and Cliff.
"After" hearing this, Roxy decided to help Rudy herself. She didn't come up with the idea to have sex with Rudy. Geese did. However, in this version Roxy became the one who immediately thought of having sex with Rudy.
After, Elinalise found out Roxy and Rudy were having sex. She thought a lot and came up with the idea that "I met Roxy first. Then, I reunited with my granddaughter. I love them both so I have to be that guy to suggest Rudy to marry Roxy." However, in this version, Elinalise ran straight to the conclusion that Rudy could fairly love Sylvie and Roxy at the same time because he was Paul's son.
Did the anime show this depth? No, it didn't. Did it show the sadness of Rudy and Roxy's selfish and selfless actions? Yes, it did.
So, it is a 5/10 because it only did half the job. Next time, before you say someone is "novel mind" how about you go check the novel and see the difference first. The anime was doing so good in the season but suddenly this come up. It is hard not feel angry about that.
@@user-ei8sy1jx1z Again you seem to not understand that NOT every part of the light novel can be adapted.
Can you give me a single show that adapted a light novel to a tea? Nope. Not even s1 of Mushoku that had far more time and budget to adapt it, adapted it to the tea. They also cut out a bunch of things for s1.
As I said, everything you're talking about here makes little difference to the overarching plot hence why it was cut.
Does this adaptation show depth? 100% it does. You're just too self absorbed to see it.
Now does it show the same depth that the light novel does? OBVIOUSLY NOT. Season 1 didn't either. If a show is based on books that are considered masterpieces 99% of the time, they will never reach the depth that the book is reaching. Because they are inherently different mediums.
It obviously changes Roxy and Elinalise as a character. I like Roxy as a character. I like how she is willing to take in all the guilt. I also appreciate how Elinalise plays the bad guy. It is the depth of their personality. The anime just changed it, especially Elinalise. You can still see Roxy was trying to help Rudy but not only being a third wheel. However, in the anime, Elinalise become a person who sabotage her granddaughter without proper explanation.
I know there is not enough time left but that still feels suck. Not that I don't understand there is a real reason that some content has to be skipped but it is still suck.
See, now people call Roxy a Bitch because of this😢
2/10 in the way they adapted this part
Embarrassing
low IQ take
This episode did a terrible job at explaining anything. Rudy was locked in his room for a LONG ass time and no one could help him. After many days the team brought up if only sylphie was here, sex can help a man. Enelise refused to sleep with him to help him. So roxy decided on her own to help.
Two months later when they warped back, Enelise told Rudy that roxy hadn't had her time of the month since they slept together. That's why Rudy decided try to marry roxy, cuz he had another kid on the way (a lie by Enelise btw)
Whoever wrote this episode needs to be fired
thank god they removed the lie from Elinalise, it was a stupid excuse
@ShiNijuuAKL it was the focal point for the entire reason he pushes it. He wants to be faithful to sylphie, but even more so he wants to take responsibility for a kid he's bringing into the world. So yeah it was a stupid lie, but it was necessary
Pretty obvious time has passed by looking at Rudy
@@Dafiid22 it wasn't necessary at all. Just made the lise look bad and Rudy look worse only taking her as a wife out of obligation.