My First Industrial CNC Plasma Table: ShopSabre SideKick 8 (Features, Specs, and Cutting)
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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Nearly all the CNC machines in my garage were built from the ground up or were previously manual instruments. However, there are some machines that are just too large to build at home. A 4’ x 8’ CNC plasma table is great example of this. Having a cutting capacity of 4’ x 8’ not only allows you to make massive parts, but a table of this size can cut sheet metal that comes right off the roll, which is cheaper to purchase. Cutting large pieces of metal overtop a water table requires a very rigid frame. Needless to say, large plasma tables are better to purchase than build.
In this video, you will get to see the delivery of a ShopSabre SideKick 8 to my new shop. This is a premium table, with a massive frame and thick linear rails. The gantry’s motion is powered by servo motors that drive a circular gear along a linear track (i.e., rack and pinion). This linear motion setup is very quick (1000 ipm travels) and resilient to dust and debris. Watch as this table moves a powermax85 torch as it effortlessly slices through 3/16” steel.
I am very excited to use this tackle large projects that I have imagined for years. I will also be generating educational content on how to program and optimize plasma cutting operations.
Table of Contents:
00:00 - Introduction
01:13 - Frame and Linear Motion
05:47 - Torch and Mount
07:00 - Water Table
08:40 - Powermax85
10:13 - Controlling the Table
12:07 - Plasma Cutting
15:18 - Considerations
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That machine flew threw the cut! Very impressed
You easily deserve 10x the subs you have right now. All of your projects are awesome by themselves let alone the quality of production, education, and level of detail that you include. Keep it up, I'm sure it'll happen in time.
this dude is definitely a tech guy who made some money and now is buying toys... damn that's the way to live :D
Damn. This man must be starting his own machine shop.
That sounds like a nice string of videos
Hey Beef Ingot! Not a machine shop but more of a serious Makerspace. I am teaching small classes locally on CAD/CAM and CNC technologies (3D printing, milling, plasma cutting, etc.) This model works well with RUclips because the content I develop in these classes (and the feedback I receive) will be used in my videos.
David, I have the 5x10 version of this table, and I agree it is a very good machine. Best of all is the lifetime support which has been exceptional. I do need to correct you regarding the power requirement. I also have the Powermac 85, and it requires a 100 amp breaker feeding a min 60 amp time delay fused disconnect.
Wow, dude, you're so awesome!!!👍
the z height comes in handy when cutting programs in pans or electrical boxes with a shallow edge, etc.. Gets the head up over the edge. Also nice for raising the work up off the table if needed.
Love the video, waiting to see you fad up the bumper!
You just got a new Subscriber.*S* like your projects.
Married D-flo looks solid. By the way I am still waiting for that advanced plasma cutting video haha.
Oh yah I have hit my stride! Advanced plasma cutting video coming soon. I will go into more details on THC, ohmic sensing, and optimizing all those different parameters to get minimal dross. I also want to create some CAD content as well for creating sketches/DXF, but the end of the year is always busy for me at work.
@@DrDFloNice! Can't wait for the video to come online. I work with cnc plasma cutters a lot. If you need some feedback or some testing on the DXF files i am here to help out. I also work with different power sources. You probably wont believe me but Chinese made plasma cutters work the best on the plasma tables i have worked on. I wish you and your family all the luck and good fortune. Keep the good work up.
Nice dude! Have the same one at work with the oxyfuel and metal scriber added on. Been working good for over two years now. Shop sabre has been great everytime we've had to deal with them.
Should not have to" deal with them " if you buy a burn table and it has problems you made a poor choice. I run the dog crap out of mine and NEVER had to work on my machine or equipment or table other than general maintenance.
@@rogerrettinger3225 What part or my comment said our table had problems? Just purchasing a table involves 'dealing' with them. Getting quotes, lining up shipments, billing etc. If an employee has any technical questions they have to 'deal' with them. Plasma tables don't just show up at your door without having to 'deal' with anyone. We run the dog crap out of ours too. But everytime we call them they answer the phone and have been patient with new employees needing tech support or questions that goes a long ways with me.
Your table has a lot of problems. I'm telling you it does because it's a budget build over priced. Your torch mount is your biggest issue. If your have a break you have a very lengthy process and it's time-consuming to restart. Jd2 rapids from 350-1260 inches per minute and we have magnetic torch mount clamps if you know where your at in the GUI you can restart from a break in about 18 seconds leaving your table and setup in the dust. Like I said you bought over priced junk.
@@rogerrettinger3225 lol. I can only speak for the table we have. It has paid for itself multiple times over and continues too. You telling me that we have a lot of problems tells me that you don't know what you're talking about. You know nothing about our setup and how it has performed. I've never knocked the plasma torch off so can't really comment on that. 90% of the burning we do is 3/4-2" plate and it does exactly what we need it to.
@@rogerrettinger3225 Give us a call and we are happy to give you information about our plasma machines and the quality involved in our manufacturing process. You are making assumptions that are simply not true.
Hi, Do you have any video of cutting 20 gauge steel. Would like to see the back side to see how much slag is on the back. Thanks
Awesome content as always.
It looks like the fluorescent light in your shop creates horizontal lines artifacts. It's most visible between cuts. I don't know if you noticed.
Hi , nice table , do you have any info on the size of servo motors and gearbox ratios , thanks , keep up the good vids
Thanks share Your experience. How long days after change bed water.
Hey Dr. D-Flo! I simply love your videos and they're just amazing, especially that you really go the extra mile in explaining everything which is just so so so great for a nerd like me who likes to know everything! I have an idea for you... I can see that this gantry is just an overkill and I love it, but why don't you use this gantry for your palette extruder 3D printer? I know its a tough one,,, but I can see that the gantry you're building for the 3D printer isn't rigid enough for huge 3D printed parts, especially with that wobbly lead screw... its just an idea that came to my head and I wanted to share it with you, as I've built large 3D printers before and due to large material lengths, the structural integrity is really important... hope you always have fun in your projects and keep making my friend, you really inspire us all! :)
Having Clearpath servos, I couldn't help but notice that it pauses in corners for quite a bit (not 100% sure which exact cornering style it was, but seems to be simple cornering without going 1 kerf beyond before turning) and also the huge pause before next surface probing and cut. I don't think this software is well calibrated for this application. Because many software packages don't actually care about constant surface speed operation because they were made for other types of CNC machines, like routers and such. In my experience, the best performance for specifically plasma cutting I've seen, was from LinuxCNC-based system with Mesa ethernet I/O card.
Other than that it is amazing machine! The mechanical part looks awesome. Congrats on getting it!
(thud) $17,000 for the SideKick 8 + $5,856.76 for the Hypertherm Powermax 85 cutter +$1280 for the compressor + $450 for the drier. Any interest on the loan would bring you over $25,000.00!
(THAT is why we put the time in to build our own machines.) My first =house= cost less.
Granted, the SS machines are nice.
You picked the table that I picked! Ha! Funny!
Since you are noise conscious, you should check out California Air Tools compressors. They have ones that are in sound dampening enclosures. Definitely expensive, but may be worth it.
Can u compare this with fibre laser? Is it worth going for fibre laser instead of plasma?
Nice how much was this machine
Wait, dude, 2 inches?!? Okay, that puts a whole other level of potential projects _on_ _the_ _table_
Hello there can y guys help me I bought riprepguru I3 printer I assembly it and upload code but it won't start it's doing nothing what should be a problem
nice setup and description. how are you funding all the equipment?
I'm curious too
Free from Shop Sabre or huge reduction in price. RUclipsrs spend enough time and energy building their channel they will be rewarded with free stuff or major discounts if the subs and views justify it to who the sponsor is like in this case ShopSabre
Shilling
@@techguy38 Yeah I would think so, except he only has 65k subscribers right now. I could see what you're talking about hold true for a larger channel like Stuff Made Here.
Wow the speculation has been real on this video. A couple things:
1. I have another job
2. As a RUclipsr I get smaller free stuff (which I review internally or externally), which I can sell for larger more expensive equipment (e.g., the CNC mill)
3. I can afford this table because I am teaching small classes locally on CAD/CAM and CNC technologies (3D printing, milling, plasma cutting, etc.) That mixed with a little ad revenue and some merch sales and it looks like I am in the green.
Edit: I switched "real job" to "another job"
Those aren't just servos, they are ClearPath servos. Very nice motors.
What was the cost of the table?
Was it sponsored or bought with your own bucks ? Nice video anyway, but just curious
Hallo Kelvar. 99% sure that it is sponsored. have asked the same. But look in Elkvis comment, and you will see that Shopsabre is in the thread with a comment.
Recently shopsabre has came up in many popular youtubers
That things cute. Looks more like a toy compared to my arc max 5x10
I have to say some time ago i watched just a few min of one of you videos and i rushed to judgment and thought to my my self DR DUMB ASS I think i was fighting with my girl and hated everything. So today im my normal self and watched a full video and really like what you do! So now im following you and need to come clean And have to say im sorry for thinking that. No body knows i was thinking that but me. I hate when people are like that so had to come clean again sorry you really have good videos and are good at what you do so thank you for that
great and neat machine. You said two inches thick capability but it's not possible with the Powermax model you have... check out the specs, even the Powermax 125 is in several cutting at that thickness. Higher than 1.5 inches you need to go big: HPR260XD/400XD or XPR300. As a side note I recommend you add MotorGuard M-60 submicronic filter before you get the dryer (costly), you will get longer consumables life and even better results. plasma needs the best air you can give it
If you like that cut edge, check out a laser cutting machine. Effectively zero dross. Ready to weld immediately after cutting, with no grinding or deburring.
Yeah, only costs 10x as much for a similar sized machine that can only cut up to 1/8" thick.
@@timr86868 I made no claims about the price. I only said the finish is nicer.
@@elkvis Well if only the finish is a concern, you can mill it and have an even better finish than laser :)
@@timr86868 That's true, and a used mill is even cheaper than the plasma table he's showing off here (not difficult to accomplish).
Laser cutting machines are used for different applications and for most people it doesn't make sense with the hefty price tag. Typically used for more commercial scenarios.
What I would like to know is why does plasma go slower than laser as in z movement and what the difference is between the drives between the two because there's no reason why x and y can't match the linear speed but z seems slow and retract height, I know the the difference between high power laser cutting and plasma piercing, watching 3d printing going from 100 to 500 mm/s movement shows that speeds can be achieved.
It's a junk table that is why it's slow
@@rogerrettinger3225 🤭 no what i meant was when you see laser cutters moving and cutting its 10x faster than plasma, one of my customers has just brought a new supper high def plasma and the cut quality is on par with laser but speed wise it doesnt match.
You should bond that ground rod to the ground in your main electrical panel (Utility Ground). Absent that bond, there will be a difference in potential between your tables ground and your utility ground, and should your building get hit by lightening, it will take the least resistant path to ground. Absent those being bonded, your table may be sacrificed because it may be the less resistant path. I'd venture to guess you will void your Shop Sabre warranty by not having that new ground properly bonded to the utility ground per NEC code.
The manual specifically said not to ground at the panel. Its worked great for 5 or so years now. No problems
Given your experience with CNCs and now that you have a plasma cutter to make rigid parts with clean finish… can you make desktop 3018 cnc kits and sell? I would be your first customer.
Hallo Arthur. If you need a Small super rigid CNC router. Look at this SOROTEC Compact-Line 0403. Just so you know, you cam not make parts for a cnc router without using a mill or a router, Plasma cutter will not do it. Also rigidity is exspensive.
@@larspetersen2688 thanks for the recommendation. I might have misused the terminology. There are too many 3018 kits which can’t handle a strong spindle. I thought plasma cut sheet thick metal would be cheap to produce and rigid enough to hold pieces together in place with lesser free-play. The rest of the parts would be linear rails or smooth rods like printers. I’m new to CNC, still researching.
From a production shop perspective, as long as you stick to steel you'll be fine. As soon as you cut stainless or aluminium for few hours, you'll want good fume exhaust anyway.
Not worth the health issues, imo. Aluminium fumes are nasty.
Also, all your steel will start rusting unless you use some inhibitor or dry off all material right after cutting, which is a pain.
I think a 4x8 plate of aluminum would cost more than the whole table in this economy! But yes, I plan to almost exclusively cut steel on this table. I am testing out ShopSabre's Plasma defense as a rust inhibitor. I also plan to use a large 100 gal carboy to drain the water into between sessions and pump back into the table when needed. This will also keep the humidity down in the shop.
@@DrDFlo if the fluid is bad, I've read GreenCut fluid is pretty decent and not toxic when sending to drain.
@@QuebecoisSti Appreciate the tip!
Price
quite the difference from the days of the zeny cut50, and homemade table......yep.....guessing everything + shipping cost.........$17,000.....also dont know why you need to pay for shear.....i mean, you have your own plasma cutter....shear the 4x8 yourself
1:07 a bug shot
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Why couldn't cut your sheets down for the small one with a hand plasma cutter? Theres hardly a skill differential.
More like time differential. I honestly did not even have enough space in my garage to lay out a 4x8 to cut down for my smaller table
@@DrDFlo ah that makes sense
Cuts are not clean, how come there's burr along the edges of each cut for such a high tech machine..?? I have to think it's because the material is so tough being steel but would be different on wood or plastics..??
I watched your channel to see you design and build cnc machines not buy one off the shelf and cut stuff
0:48 TLDR it’s expensive to be poor
sleepy talk man
Shop sabre magnetic release torch mount is crap.one bump and all is screwed unless you catch it.he has the upgraded torch bump stop .watch other people's videos that point out the bad parts of the table.there industrial plasma table jumped up alot in price.crazy they don't add must have feature s for jumping up the price
This is simply not true. Give us a call and we are happy to give you information about our plasma machines and the quality involved in our manufacturing process.
only 15 grand... ill take 3.... pffft lol
The table is awesome but the program is HORRIBLE AND VERY DIFFICULT TO USE.
Man dump that torch setup! They have a horrible design. Not to mention you rapid very slow. You should have bought a JD2 5 x 10 mad table.