CHEAP or EXPENSIVE Drums? Does It Matter?!

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  • @StephenTaylorDrums
    @StephenTaylorDrums 7 лет назад +350

    You're doing a great job with your channel Rob. Keep it up!

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +71

      +Stephen Taylor Mista Stephen Taylor 😮 Don't think I haven't snooped around on your channel, too. Great stuff as well! Thanks for droppin' by, man.

    • @TheRHSman
      @TheRHSman 5 лет назад +23

      You are both my goto guys.

    • @JarretGrimesAquaticLife
      @JarretGrimesAquaticLife 4 года назад +1

      You are too Stephen...

    • @DG-sf9ei
      @DG-sf9ei 2 года назад +1

      Yeah and everyone needs your validation

    • @Petrvsco
      @Petrvsco 2 года назад +3

      Great to see two great drum teachers supporting the craft and not their egos. The same thing defines their channels: it’s not about them, but about how we rookies can get better. Kudos

  • @SheldonKreger
    @SheldonKreger 7 лет назад +535

    Cheaper drums are great, but cheap cymbals are terrible! If you are buying your first kit, spend your money on the cymbals, go cheap on the drums.

    • @richiegarcia4
      @richiegarcia4 7 лет назад +23

      Exactly!

    • @chiligiftcard7515
      @chiligiftcard7515 7 лет назад +15

      Sheldon Kreger I definitely agree but there is a cymbal in walmart I guess it was 20 dollars and it was a ride. I saw it in a video and it sounded damn nice for a 20 dollar cymbal. Its on a channel names rdavidr, you can look it up

    • @chiligiftcard7515
      @chiligiftcard7515 7 лет назад +9

      James Ferrell yeah I tried to get my hands on it but I couldn't haha. Those things are perfect for budget drummers like me. I have been playing the drums for 2 or 3 years now, I just own 2 Istanbul mehmet crashes, my hats and the ride are just Tama's stock cymbals which sound like absolute crap

    • @chiligiftcard7515
      @chiligiftcard7515 7 лет назад +4

      James Ferrell Well I can't easily order stuff online as they don't ship where I live. And yeah, let's just hope that my taste evolves into cheaper cymbals 😂😂

    • @Ozterkvlt
      @Ozterkvlt 6 лет назад +6

      and learn how to hit your cymbals without breaking them too.

  • @ickysticky3672
    @ickysticky3672 7 лет назад +218

    I've always maintained the ideal that it's the drummer who makes the gear, not the other way around. If you can tune drums, you can make cheap sets sound great. Nobody in the crowd knows if your set is worth $500 or $5,000. If you're good, you're good. On the same note, great drummers deserve great gear, it makes it that much more enjoyable. But great gear doesn't make a player great.

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +31

      Exactly. And well put👌🏾

    • @JoakimJakobssonMusic
      @JoakimJakobssonMusic 7 лет назад +17

      I agree with you 100%. I think that you should invest alittle more on the snare. A good snare can make a BIG difference.

    • @emlix1
      @emlix1 6 лет назад +12

      Damn straight. I've spent thousands and I'm still fucken hopeless.

    • @Customwinder1
      @Customwinder1 5 лет назад +1

      @@emlix1 😂😂

    • @robertchambers369
      @robertchambers369 5 лет назад

      emlix1 LOL 😂🤣 🤣

  • @SceneShiffer
    @SceneShiffer 4 года назад +31

    Rob : " This thing isn't gonna do anything until i hit them "
    Snarewires * exists * : bssshhhhh

  • @davidfuller581
    @davidfuller581 7 лет назад +73

    As a recording engineer my experience is that tuning, heads, and hoops/bearing edges matter a lot more sonically than the shell material.
    Cymbals are the one thing that you do have to invest a lot of money into - no tuning a cymbal.

    • @deanfowles3707
      @deanfowles3707 Год назад

      Go with zultan and you don't have to even spend much on that. They make professional level cymbals for less than half the price of the big 4

    • @b_m3998
      @b_m3998 9 месяцев назад

      @@deanfowles3707which line?

  • @Escapism7133
    @Escapism7133 7 лет назад +183

    Cheap and expensive cymbals have a much wider range of sound quality/difference imo. Nice positive message!

    • @jwebby85
      @jwebby85 7 лет назад +11

      patrick.cs
      I agree. Two things I don't believe a good drummer can really get away with. 1. Cheap cymbals and 2. Cheap snares.

    • @cansavaryego7193
      @cansavaryego7193 7 лет назад +6

      jwebby85 and cheap heads

    • @DriftSpaceZero
      @DriftSpaceZero 7 лет назад +12

      +jwebby85
      I've owned very expensive snares, and very cheap snares; tuning and head choice are way more important than the cost of the shell. In fact, I just sold my most expensive snare, which was a DW Edge, after owning it for 20 years, and I'm not going to miss it.

    • @DriftSpaceZero
      @DriftSpaceZero 7 лет назад +12

      +patrick.cs
      I agree completely; I always tell my students to save their money for nice cymbals, and learn how to tune and properly maintain their cheap/starter drums instead of lusting after high-priced shells.

    • @maximwood
      @maximwood 7 лет назад +6

      Cheap cymbals have their qualities, a lot of them make really good stacks, also check out rdavidr's 20$ walmart ride, that thing sounds amazing. Sabian's SBR splashes are really cool on recordings too, and this is coming from a dude who plays nothing but hi end Bosphorus Cymbals.

  • @larsmombarg7048
    @larsmombarg7048 7 лет назад +98

    I'm a touring drummer and the only valid reason to use more expensive drums is the quality of the hardware, you don't want a tom arm breaking of during a gig or transport. Safe your money for good durable hardware, and stuff to make your drumming life easier en more comfortable

    • @TomasLuoto
      @TomasLuoto 7 лет назад +5

      Lars Mombarg Good point but batter heads are more important than the tom in that case

    • @sdvc49
      @sdvc49 7 лет назад +8

      Tomas Luoto both heads are important. Especially at a distance; when it sounds good up close, it may sound awful at a distance. I've found the bottom heads have a more significant effect (at least at a distance)

    • @thekitowl
      @thekitowl 5 лет назад +4

      As an ex pro drummer, the hardware is the most important part , especially when your kit gets set up & taken down every day. When kits used to come with hardware, the top level kit came with the best stands & pedals. In the early 70,s my Ludwig super classic would regularly let me down
      & getting spares was almost impossible, the shells never gave a problem.

    • @callending
      @callending 5 лет назад +2

      @@thekitowl Amen to that. Had a wonderful Gretsch a few decades ago (ala Phil Collins, open toms). The most wonderful drums, the most awful hardware ever. Made even non-pro play a drag. Nowadays it seems like the competition is such that a decent rack and pedals, stands etc aren't at the same premium they were years ago, fortunately.

    • @thekitowl
      @thekitowl 5 лет назад +1

      John H 👍

  • @sanityinaseaofmadness7353
    @sanityinaseaofmadness7353 7 лет назад +8

    You're absolutely right about confidence, Rob. The more confident you are of your ability to play, the better you'll sound no matter what kind of kit you're playing. By now, everyone has seen the Benny Greb video where he plays a toy Sponge Bob kit, and as expected, he sounds great.

  • @bobbydtv1
    @bobbydtv1 7 лет назад +43

    the idea of taking a 5000$ set of yamaha RC s to a gig that pays chump change aint happening with me ,good video man

  • @ringmasterblaze
    @ringmasterblaze 6 лет назад +4

    Every time I get the urge to buy a new kit I watch this video to bring me back down to Earth. Thanks for keeping it real.

  • @Rich6Brew
    @Rich6Brew 7 лет назад +10

    "It's the musician that puts the value on the instrument..."
    Wise words, indeed.

  • @DustyCowdog
    @DustyCowdog 7 лет назад +4

    The reason that the sound tech didn't need to mess with your kit is because you know what the heck you are doing! Thanks for posting such an awesome video! And you are right, the musician is who makes the kit sound great. A good drummer can play a plastic bucket and make it sound good. I can't. This is the first video I have viewed from you.... it's a great find! Thanks! Take care brother!

  • @gmsdrmr
    @gmsdrmr 7 лет назад +141

    Absolutely. Thank you. I used to leave my fancy Yamaha Recording Customs in the drum room and take my cheapie CB700 kit to gigs and guys would always trip. Guys would show up with their DW's but they'd sound like dog ass. If you have a tuning "concept" you should be able to make a cardboard box sound golden.

    • @TomasLuoto
      @TomasLuoto 7 лет назад

      OCdrmr Ditto

    • @nathandrums0
      @nathandrums0 7 лет назад +1

      Well said. I have a concept of tuning myself and I can make my old Rogers snare sound way better than my churches new DW collectors series snare (I use the full DW kit except for the snare) and if just sounds like garbage compared to my Rogers.

    • @popeye5432
      @popeye5432 7 лет назад +1

      Those old Roger's drums were really good. As good as anything made now.

    • @nathandrums0
      @nathandrums0 7 лет назад +2

      +popeye ah man I know, I've got one that my dad owned in the 80's and just recently restored it. Sounds absolutely amazing!

    • @emmanuelgauthier2470
      @emmanuelgauthier2470 7 лет назад

      OCdrmr just the same with my poor gig kit !

  • @RhymesWithCarbon
    @RhymesWithCarbon 6 лет назад +6

    These days, even "inexpensive" drums can sound unbelievable with decent heads & knowledgeable tuning. I heard a recording with Pearl Export drums played by a really really good drummer and they sounded incredible. This was a great explanation.

  • @jocquidixonmusicproduction988
    @jocquidixonmusicproduction988 7 лет назад +50

    i agree 100%
    In my opinion, i say its best to really invest your money into a good snare & cymbals. I feel like if you learn how to tune, you can make any kit sound good, but thats not the case with snares and cymbals. Cheap snares & cymbals just sound bad no matter what lol

    • @TomasLuoto
      @TomasLuoto 7 лет назад +5

      Qui Tv I've got.crap-ass snares, wven cymbals sound.good enough. Moongel and tape ;)

    • @karlbaird3385
      @karlbaird3385 7 лет назад +3

      I agree! a good snare is a big deal!

  • @padistedor
    @padistedor 7 лет назад +242

    yes, it matters but the drummer matters more.

    • @markusthedrummer8143
      @markusthedrummer8143 7 лет назад +28

      My first drum teacher the late great Max Mariash said this, "A great drummer can make a bad drum set sound good but a bad drummer can make a good drum set sound bad." Which led him to say, "It's the drummer that counts, not the drums!" Yes, it's also a clever play on words. Keep Practicing and keep Positive! No one likes the youtube show off drummers with foul mouthed pessimistic comments. Glad we are not of of them!

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +19

      Mark S This here is a positive troll free zone, man. My viewers are the coolest 👌🏽

    • @limzog9
      @limzog9 7 лет назад +7

      padistedor .. if you cant tune the heads it will sound crap

    • @kristijankocjancic3236
      @kristijankocjancic3236 7 лет назад +2

      It was the same with my teacher but for guitar.

    • @TylerHNothing
      @TylerHNothing 7 лет назад +2

      usually more expensive and higher end equipment is easier to tune, is made out of "nicer" wood and material does change the sound, the drums retain their tune more easily. just a couple of perks to a more expensive set. you can make a cheap drum set sound great, but obviously the extra money is paying for some nice touches, convenient for experts/masters

  • @scottchantos2388
    @scottchantos2388 7 лет назад +33

    Less expensive drums can be tuned to sound great most of the time. I've read that 90% of the sound comes from the heads anyways. Good heads and tuning can make a less expensive kit sound great, and poor tuning can make great drums sound terrible. Cymbals are a completely different story. You can't tune the cymbals.

    • @larrytate1657
      @larrytate1657 5 лет назад +1

      High end drums are easier to tune and stay in tune much better though.

    • @giuliano8031
      @giuliano8031 3 года назад

      Larry Tate Not easier to tune and stay in tune? Well yes, but with a couple replacement lugs you can solve that problem.

  • @dougbermingham
    @dougbermingham 5 лет назад +5

    I've been playing for 35 years on all kinds of kits (mostly Pearl). As Rob says, the most important things are the drummer, good tuning and understanding of tuning and good heads. Expensive kits are a goal not a necessity. Beautiful style of playing Rob!

  • @RyanAlexanderBloom
    @RyanAlexanderBloom 7 лет назад +3

    My used Mapex M series often sounds the best of any kit on a bill. Case in point, last week between my old intermediate level kit and a newer, much pricier DW kit, other drummers in the room complimented my drum sound and bad mouthed the DW. The owner of those drums wasn't a bad player either, he was very solid in fact, but he couldn't coax a great sound from them.

  • @chrisljung5137
    @chrisljung5137 7 лет назад +89

    The only drum that matters is the snare, everything else is tuneable...

    • @DriftSpaceZero
      @DriftSpaceZero 7 лет назад +21

      I disagree; the tuning and head choice on all the drums matter, including the snare. If you can't make a cheap snare sound good: you're picking the wrong heads and/or don't know how to set-up a snare. I've owned a number of snares across almost 30 years of being a drummer, and the expensive drums are just different than the cheap drums; it's all about the heads I put on them, how they are tuned, the room/venue in which they are being played, and the person hitting them.

    • @vic9844
      @vic9844 7 лет назад +10

      The Timesmyth totally agree. Havent spent more that 300 on a snare ever. Get the right heads, tune em up and you could play the 1000 dollar snare and mine and u wudnt be able to tell the difference. I only spend on cymbals

    • @Longboardsinglefin
      @Longboardsinglefin 5 лет назад

      Music to my poorboy's ears ( : But do genres of music demand specific snare types? I'm veering towards funk myself. Same with hihat, cymbals, bass size.@@vic9844

    • @I_ROT_WITHIN
      @I_ROT_WITHIN 4 года назад +1

      True that's why I have a
      beginner/ intermediate drum set with a black beauty snare.

  • @uppskirt
    @uppskirt 7 лет назад +26

    Yep, the snare is still high-end. Goes to show how important a snare is.

    • @Jetty-xd9yc
      @Jetty-xd9yc 5 лет назад +2

      Love how he doesn't bring that up. He's still a good guy 🥁🤘

    • @m.iqbal_akbar
      @m.iqbal_akbar 4 года назад +5

      we dont want ST.Anger accident to happen again

  • @yourbuddykevin
    @yourbuddykevin 7 лет назад +11

    I'd go for a mid range everytime.. something affordable with good tone, because playing a set that doesn't sound good isn't fun, and if it isn't fun, you don't want to play.

  • @butchcassidy3373
    @butchcassidy3373 Год назад +1

    I bought a kit after not playing for thirty years. Put on some good heads and tuned em up and they sound great. I've got a couple of grand in the whole set up
    I bought mid level with good hardware and am slowly up grading my cymbals. Everytime I get together with friends and play, they always complement me on how the kit is sounding better and better
    It's a process that takes time and patience. And it's so much fun
    I've learned a lot watching you Rob and want to thank you for the time and effort you put in

  • @ibleebinU
    @ibleebinU 7 лет назад +2

    Absolutely right on. If you don't have the soul or the feel, it won't happen.
    It's all in the the tuning, the touch and the feel. Well done Rob.

  • @LukeDatema
    @LukeDatema 7 лет назад +146

    You have an insane amount of control when you play

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +30

      Luke Datema Thanks, dude 🙂

    • @Gabriel-vo7kr
      @Gabriel-vo7kr 7 лет назад +3

      Luke Datema Hey bro I see your comments everywhere in other type of videos as well and you always get a good amount of likes man whays the secret

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  6 лет назад +8

      Fluid Tempo Just keep it positive, man. You get back what'cha put out 🙂

    • @TeslaNick2
      @TeslaNick2 6 лет назад +4

      Yeah, Rob's got some serious chops.

    • @colmhain
      @colmhain 6 лет назад +1

      Karma's not always a bitch, is it Rob?

  • @SockerConny80
    @SockerConny80 7 лет назад +13

    The bell on that ride sounds delicious

  • @jclevenger7580
    @jclevenger7580 7 лет назад +1

    Rob has hit the nail on the head in this video. I have been playing for ages and had this notion I needed to have bigger better badder faster etc. Through bad fortune in the last two years, I had to liquidate all of my high end stuff. ALL OF IT. It pained me to have to do that. I can happily say I am currently playing a poplar wood SPL kit and I am extremely pleased with the sounds I have gotten out of it. It is all about tuning, technique, and THE PLAYER that gets a great sound.

  • @hyrulehero91
    @hyrulehero91 7 лет назад +2

    Love your videos. Thank you so much for being so open and real with us.

  • @adamnienke3633
    @adamnienke3633 5 лет назад +3

    man you had me making ugly faces with that beginning groove. Solid stuff

  • @OddTimeMan
    @OddTimeMan 7 лет назад +26

    The drummer in my band had a relatively inexpensive Tama kit many years ago. It sounded great. Then he sold it and bought a MUCH more expensive DW kit. It didn't sound as good! After a few years of us telling him that, he finally came to his senses and got rid of it and bought another Tama. All's right with the world again.

    • @pualbattista6731
      @pualbattista6731 6 лет назад +4

      OddTimeMan lol. Funny that it took him a while to realize they are shit. Such a huge marketing scam. Fukk D.W

    • @Exotic_Tofu
      @Exotic_Tofu 5 лет назад +4

      DW sucks balls. Overpriced overrated garbage unless you have an old one with keller shells.

    • @Gretsch0997
      @Gretsch0997 5 лет назад +3

      Man. DW is a marketing genius. That’s it. Last set is ever buy. I agree with you

    • @markomarkovic5729
      @markomarkovic5729 5 лет назад +4

      I would never ever throw away my money on DW. For that amount of money, I would choose some boutique drums (George Way, Ayotte, SJC, Noble & Cooley etc...), not even Sonor SQ2 or the Pearl Reference, which are the best sounding serial production kits. Unfortunately, I'm not a millionaire, so I would be more than happy with Tama Starclassic Performer or Mapex Saturn, or Gretsch Renown Maple, along with some Istanbul Mehmet cymbals :)

    • @drummerboy0620
      @drummerboy0620 4 года назад +2

      OddTimeMan me exactly. I have a seven-piece Tama Superstar Classic. Can’t complain. I think DW kits sound sort of plasitcy and canny, and isn’t fair with how god-forsaken expensive their kits are

  • @scootpittmantv
    @scootpittmantv 5 лет назад +1

    100% agree. love watching your videos. thank you for being here. great smooth attitude. very encouraging.

  • @thegreenfish21
    @thegreenfish21 7 лет назад +1

    When I started drumming less than 2 years ago I bought a 'Basix' kit for $100 second hand and spent a few hours learning how to tune them by ear. Now I play them without any muffling (except some in the kick) and I get compliments on the sound all the time.

  • @LanceCampeau
    @LanceCampeau 7 лет назад +6

    Here's the thing... a better built set of drum shells are only that... better built... but not necessarily better sounding. Achieving good sound from a drum set for stage or studio only comes when all other factors are dialed in.. I.E. player skill, head selection, drum set tuning, room acoustics, microphone selection & placement, PA system (does it have adequate power/headroom?), FOH or studio engineer's skill & experience in recording or re-enforcing drum audio, etc... A lot of time and money is spent by drum manufactures on advertising to convince drummers that their product is "the best choice"... but without the above mentioned variables all working together, your drum sound is likely to never be very good not matter what brand you buy.

  • @DavidMcmenemy
    @DavidMcmenemy 7 лет назад +6

    You can buy second hand Stage Customs these for days for around £300 that sound better than some kits I've heard that sell for £2,000.

  • @christhedrummerkimball
    @christhedrummerkimball 3 года назад

    Great video! Very down-to-earth and encouraging.

  • @cobycharlton6833
    @cobycharlton6833 6 лет назад

    Keep up the awesome work dude!

  • @aikendrum7301
    @aikendrum7301 7 лет назад +3

    This is a great point to make. Been a long time believer and always has a soft spot for the cheaper kits. I have been more often than not dissapointed by the flagship models of the big manufactures. I am of often surprise by the cheaper end equipment :)

  • @mrmisfit635
    @mrmisfit635 5 лет назад +6

    Questlove Breakbeats are great sounding cheap kits if tuned correctly.

  • @MattOsborn98
    @MattOsborn98 6 лет назад

    A great message! Thanks for the video.

  • @granit777
    @granit777 4 года назад

    Very good channel and Job You do on it Man !

  • @JonPaulLeClair
    @JonPaulLeClair 7 лет назад +8

    I've always said at the end of the day you're still strapping a $10 piece of plastic across a wood shell. If you know how to tune your drums, you can make just about any kit sound great. Yeah high end kits are cool,are a status symbol and they have great features but you can still get plenty of miles off innexpensive kits. What's the point of spending $5000 on a kit that you're lugging to a $600 gig that you're maybe getting $100 to play?

  • @mw13068
    @mw13068 7 лет назад +7

    1.) That opening solo was really great. 2.) I'm a beginner/intermediate drummer (~4 years) and I believe the player makes the difference. That said: 3.) I have a Yamaha Gigmaker kit (for practice) and a Pearl Vision Birch kit (gigs). 4.) The Pearl Vision Birch kit is (for whatever reason) easier for me to tune, and holds the tuning better. It definitely sounds better than my beloved Gigmaker kit. I really have to fuss with the Gigmaker kit to get it to sound good. The Pearl kit just has to come out of the bags, and BAM, there it is. Thanks for the vids.

    • @iliketoUSEmybrain017
      @iliketoUSEmybrain017 7 лет назад

      Have you given the gigmaker kit a good once over to find and correct the problem? Heads in good shape? Remove the heads and set the shell on a flat surface. See any gaps? Run your fingers around the bearing edges, are they smooth? Will the head slide over the edges as you tune or does it get hung up on something? A bit of paste wax on the edges at head change helps facilitate this. Rods, inserts good? Any resistance needs to be rectified. Nylon washers all present? Tap the shell with the heads and rims removed, any weird sounds? Watch a good video about seating and tuning new heads. Drums are about as simple as instruments get, just move step by step through the drum and track down the problem. 99/100 times it is a super simple fix to get a drum sounding great. Good luck!

    • @mw13068
      @mw13068 7 лет назад

      Thanks for the reply. I've gone over the Gigmaker kit a few times. All is well, no obvious defects. I just have found that it requires more tweaking to get the sound I want -- it has lots of overtones. It could be that I should go with some more self-dampened heads, or try a slightly higher tuning range. By contrast, my Pearl kit lives in my (hot/cold/humid/dry depending on the season) garage in bags during the week, and on weekends, I put it in the car all day, and come gig time I set it up and find that it sounds good with very minimal tuning.

    • @ladanny65
      @ladanny65 7 лет назад

      Have you tried different head combinations on your Yamaha? I've found different heads match better with different drums. For example, on my Gretsch USA Custom kit, I can't use Remo heads at all.

  • @BuckAugust
    @BuckAugust 7 лет назад

    Great video Rob! Good reminder of priorities and what matters.

  • @bigrickhbcycle
    @bigrickhbcycle 7 лет назад +2

    100% spot on my man!! Tuning and skill are where it's at. When I was a young drummer an experienced guy sat at my cheapie beginners kit and rocked it. My jaw dropped off of my face.....and then I really honed in my skills once I had witnessed what my kit "could" sound like.

  • @timchurchill6975
    @timchurchill6975 7 лет назад +13

    you make great tutorials

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +6

      tim churchill Thanx, man. Thanks for watchin' 🙂

  • @danielroik6065
    @danielroik6065 7 лет назад +4

    another thing i never use, is mic's for my Drum's, that's not me, i like 2 be 100% real & the Truth. i enjoy playing Drum's in the Street's of Out Town.

  • @bassshred37
    @bassshred37 6 лет назад

    really enjoying your channel Rob.Youve had a huge positive impact in my playing

  • @JoshWood1000
    @JoshWood1000 5 лет назад

    Hi Rob, thanks a lot for your great videos. I had a big road accident 2 years ago and I could not play or practice during a little more than a year. I came across your videos a few months ago and dude I love it and it's really motivating and very informative. Keep up the good work!

  • @firealarmtech4100
    @firealarmtech4100 6 лет назад +5

    Saw a street drummer playing on spakly buckets and it got my attention and sounded good what he was doing only because he was good

  • @roybeckerman9253
    @roybeckerman9253 5 лет назад +3

    In the end , it boils down to the ability of the drummer.
    Good drummers make cheaper drums sound good.
    Bad drummers make expensive kits sound bad.
    A good sounding snare and cymbals are the most important.
    An audience can’t tell an expensive kit from an ordinary kit, as they are hard to hear over electric guitars.
    They look at the drummer’s playing.
    A drummer can hear the difference from behind the kit while playing, but not the audience.

  • @arnoldmensah2232
    @arnoldmensah2232 4 года назад +2

    I cannot tell you how many times I watched this video.
    Rewinding it from beginning to end.
    Your message on this topic was so touching & VERY interesting.
    It really hit me, realizing no matter how much you pay for a kit it's about the drummer not the drums
    Thank you so much, for putting this video out there 🙏👏

  • @markcurtiss4647
    @markcurtiss4647 6 лет назад

    Excellent attitude with this video Rob. Thanks.

  • @natanaelvalenzuelabonilla6772
    @natanaelvalenzuelabonilla6772 7 лет назад +21

    Totally get your point and I agree 100% but, still; you're playing a Yamaha. You see, the thing about playing a Yamaha kit, is that no matter how cheap it may be; it is still a Yamaha and a Yamaha kit will always be a Yamaha kit no matter how affordable. In my opinion and very respectfully, I think you picked the only exception among cheap kits to make this video. Yamaha's are the best, most subtle kits ever crafted by a manufacturer. (And no I don't work for or sell Yamaha LOL) I'm just a very satisfied customer. Mad respect brother!

    • @alexandriasilva1970
      @alexandriasilva1970 7 лет назад +5

      I thought the exact same thing!! Nothing Yamaha makes is bad. I love my stage custom!

    • @kc-vf4lp
      @kc-vf4lp 5 лет назад +2

      Totally agree. Entry Yamaha is always better than some no name brand kit.

    • @ColtraneTaylor
      @ColtraneTaylor 5 лет назад +2

      Does this mean a Tama Stagestar/Rhythm Mate or Ludwig Accent will sound worse than the cheapest Yamaha?

    • @larrytate1657
      @larrytate1657 5 лет назад +2

      Yes

    • @levinzechner8274
      @levinzechner8274 4 года назад +4

      @@ColtraneTaylor I had a Ludwig accent and i think it sounded worse than a cheap Yamaha.

  • @bizzjoe
    @bizzjoe 7 лет назад +18

    But I don't even play the drums .. how did I get here?

    • @SeanZetterlund
      @SeanZetterlund 7 лет назад +28

      it's a sign, i guess you gotta get a cheap drum kit and start learning ;)

  • @jabezscratch
    @jabezscratch 7 лет назад

    Great video and interesting observations.

  • @crushdrummer3577
    @crushdrummer3577 6 лет назад

    Awesome drum room set up!! Great drumming!!!

  • @MrSixxtopher
    @MrSixxtopher 3 года назад +3

    Thank you so much for doing this! I'm a 43 yr old beginner, and I was pretty torn between whether to start out on a cheap set or spend more for "better sound". There seems to be a lot of brand snobs on drum forums wanting to people believe if they don't go expensive, they'll sound terrible.

    • @theblytonian3906
      @theblytonian3906 3 года назад +1

      Agree. Older than you, we're both old enough to be aware of that, and hopefully discerning enough to ignore that kind of ego driven 'expertise'. Same as guitar, decent quality instruments are now so very affordable, competently tuned and played, in my observation they won't present a restrictive factor to either lay ear or average ability.

    • @matthewgonano636
      @matthewgonano636 2 года назад

      Ye it’s a scam. I’ve been playing 17 years and I’ve played cheap kits with good heads that feel and sound just as good as my pro kit…. Now cymbals are are what you should focus on

  • @johnryan3374
    @johnryan3374 7 лет назад +1

    Great video. Good points. I've been playing, touring and teaching for 32 years. Cheap drums do have their downsides (they are flimsy, bad hardware, poor finish materials), but you can get them to sound good with good heads and proper tuning. High-end drums are great, if you have the money. Most of us don't! I think the best way to go is with a good mid-range kit. That way you get the quality at an affordable price! For $600 - $1,000, you can get a GREAT sounding kit!

  • @averagejackmedia609
    @averagejackmedia609 7 лет назад +2

    Hey Rob, I was at a clinic you did in Pickering this May. Thank you for your insight and a lot of things you said clicked with me.
    Cheers.

  • @philchittick202
    @philchittick202 6 лет назад

    Excellent channel Rob, love your playing and all the great common sense advice. Thanks.

  • @oleka.6404
    @oleka.6404 7 лет назад

    Cracking video, thanks for sharing your view on this matter. Cheers

  • @DolkkarToyznstuff
    @DolkkarToyznstuff 4 года назад

    100%, many thanks for taking the time.

  • @jdg5485
    @jdg5485 3 года назад +2

    Played a pearl export for a long time that I had fixed up with 2.3 hoops, new heads top/ bottom, and cleaned up bearing edges.
    Put a good quality snare and cymbals with it and never had a single complaint playing live. Sounded great and never had to worry about someone spilling booze on it or bumping it.
    Love the channel man, good stuff!

  • @1SonorGirl
    @1SonorGirl 7 лет назад

    Wow what an infectious groove, just love your stuff!

  • @martinreilly2752
    @martinreilly2752 7 лет назад +3

    Thoughtful as ever. Appreciated Rob.

  • @canaldisaa6551
    @canaldisaa6551 5 лет назад +2

    One of the most honest advices I've ever heard bro.
    Thanks so much. I've got a new subscriber.

  • @yettielusive3370
    @yettielusive3370 7 лет назад

    Great Video, great teachings.

  • @asaheloranday5063
    @asaheloranday5063 3 года назад +1

    Man rob, I just started wanting to learn this month. Been practicing all the exercises you’ve been giving out, but this vid makes me feel better. I gotta put in the work, not the money, to sound good!

  • @dbaerg
    @dbaerg 7 лет назад +1

    Yes. So much this. I've never bought a new kit since going to school for music. Picked up a used Taye tour pro and a restored old Stewart kit for lighter styles and practicing. They both sound great, because of how I tune them. Getting compliments from sound guys and other musicians when your cheap drums sound great is the best feeling.

  • @barrydee2857
    @barrydee2857 5 лет назад

    This guy is smooth in playing and HS vides. I learn so much and he makes it so easy to listen to. His playing is on point. And thanks Rob for being upfront and honest. Any videos you have or can make on the hierarchy of cymbals from each of the top manufacturers?

  • @toddglacy1144
    @toddglacy1144 6 лет назад

    Great video. Thanks for sharing that "it's more about the player than what equipment they're playing on". Take what you've got and make it work for you.

  • @mgrdibbs
    @mgrdibbs 7 лет назад

    Such good sense ... and inspirational playing too! Thank you.

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад

      +Martin Dibbs You're welcome, man. Thanks for watchin' 🙂

  • @dericanslum1696
    @dericanslum1696 7 лет назад

    ...haven't seen a video in a few months...you and the studio both looking good...congrats and good luck keepng it off...

  • @gregcruickshank
    @gregcruickshank 7 лет назад +2

    Great video. Years ago I was at a drum talk workshop with Mitch Dorge. He played a cheap beginner kit and made it sing. He then played his own high end kit and made it sound great as well. He made the same point. A great drummer can still make a poor kit sound good.

  • @redrum567
    @redrum567 6 лет назад

    All good advice. Such great videos, sir. Thank you for sharing your experience. I certainly appreciate this topic.

    • @redrum567
      @redrum567 6 лет назад

      The love of playing is felt by all of us equally, however, your specific skill level is simply undeniable. Top drawer \m/

  • @tipofelice
    @tipofelice 7 лет назад

    Mr. Rob Brown, that was some nice stuff you played to open the video. Good ideas, feel, time and technique. Enjoyed hearing you play, keep it goin' on. Best wishes!

  • @adamwilson1691
    @adamwilson1691 7 лет назад +1

    I like these types of videos. its good to get your perspective on drumming trends or misconceptions.
    I work at guitar center and its really common to see people that are all caught up on the gear they play rather than the skills they have. Even if you think everyone is there to talk about music, retail is still retail i guess.

  • @jaybone23
    @jaybone23 7 лет назад +1

    Thanks for this, Rob. One of the coolest drummers I've ever seen live was a blues player who helmed a 5-piece, beat to hell kit, with no two drums from the same manufacturer. They sounded great, and he was a marvelous, laid back, and very tasteful player.

  • @FamilyGuy12693
    @FamilyGuy12693 7 лет назад

    You da man. First video I've seen by you and you are very engaging!

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +1

      +Mike Gaudioso Well, thanks for stoppin' in, man 🙂👊🏽🇨🇦

  • @motodrummer
    @motodrummer 5 лет назад +1

    Good points bud, In the middle of a kit search now.

  • @pshe1200
    @pshe1200 7 лет назад

    Rob - Thank you for your postings - Great info!

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +1

      +pshe1200 You're welcome. And thanks for checkin' it out 🙂

    • @pshe1200
      @pshe1200 7 лет назад

      I will do more through your web page. You have a great approach as a teacher - Paul

  • @JarretGrimesAquaticLife
    @JarretGrimesAquaticLife 4 года назад

    Great video! I still have a 1970s percussion plus 5 piece garage find that I have had for 8 years and it's still a beast...

  • @mcgrath274
    @mcgrath274 7 лет назад

    that is some great advise. I play super high end kits but what he just said makes me think about it.

  • @rob-442
    @rob-442 2 года назад

    Rob, thanks again for another great video. I am a newbie to the drums. I saw your video review of the Yamaha Custom Stage set and went out and got it along with the Paiste PST 7 Universal Cymbal Box Set. And after watching your videos on tuning the snare, the toms, and the bass, I think the kit sounds fantastic! I don't see the Maximum Thumpification T-s though in the Merch shop, I only see the hoodies for it. Be great to have a T with it. Keep up the great instruction videos. Looking forward to them.

  • @Jetty-me6cw
    @Jetty-me6cw 7 лет назад +1

    THANK YOU! Im not going to say what band I was in back in 2007 here in San Diego California. but for two straight years we went to the San Diego Music Awards and Won in our category. I will also say I toured with this drum kit for four straight years and had many front-of-house sound men and other musicians consistently comment on how good my kit sound. when I told them what it really was and how much it cost they thought I was lying but then I showed them a little bit underneath the glitter wrapping they are always freaked out. so I just wanted to say thank you so much for bringing this up because I had been preaching it for so long the more comfortable you are behind your kit the better you sound the better you feel the loser you are you're just more confident. good luck to you and all your future endeavors.

  • @dnczardnczar
    @dnczardnczar 4 года назад

    Just found your videos the other day and I've enjoyed them all. Haven't agreed with everything but your easy going, patient and laid back nature is a real gift for a teacher. I know this is 3 years old but you are so right on about this one. Almost everything that makes a high end kit a high end kit has very little to do with how a kit sounds outside of a studio. Good heads and hoops has more effect on drum sound than finish, woods, hardware and to some extent, drum size. That's all about nuances that means nothing in a club full of people making noise playing in an open air space. The ability to tune and play is more valuable than the money spent on a kit. What's been lost in lessons now though is the teaching of tuning to the space or room your playing in. Students are now taught to tune to what they hear and not what the listener is hearing. Playing a lot of college\university field houses was a nightmare to tune to. Cinderblock walls, high ceilings, a lot of echo and unpredictable natural reverb at what frequencies. A drummer needs to get out from the kit and hear it being played. It's great that your tuning worked in the situation you describe but the exact same tuning can just as well fall on its in a different space.

  • @alphadog62
    @alphadog62 6 лет назад

    RBB-
    That was great advice!
    Goals, accomplishments and rewards-
    Great Job

  • @yopglomusic8872
    @yopglomusic8872 7 лет назад

    I really enjoyed your playing, man. You keep it fresh.

  • @steadyintime7775
    @steadyintime7775 7 лет назад

    Great video. I appreciated the subject, and the way you organized your perspective. Your solo was SLAMMIN!!! Very musical tone choices throughout. Glad to have found your channel.

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +1

      +Steady In Time Well, I'm glad you found it 👊🏽 You subbed though, right? 😉

    • @steadyintime7775
      @steadyintime7775 7 лет назад

      For sure, Rob. I shared it on Twitter, too. Wish you the best. Do you teach? it would be awesome to take a lesson from you some time.

  • @kevex3929
    @kevex3929 7 лет назад

    THIS is really good info. I'm not even a drummer but this is really useful. I've always wanted to play the drums. I'll definitely keep this in mind. Thank you for making this video!

  • @Slinky108
    @Slinky108 7 лет назад

    I love that intro solo with that ostinato! Gave me something to work on as well!

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад +1

      +Slinky108 Thanks, man! Go ahead and steal it and have some fun with it 🙂

  • @svenamundsen5185
    @svenamundsen5185 7 лет назад

    One of the most honest, and realistic explanations I have heard...

  • @Longshanks1956
    @Longshanks1956 6 лет назад

    You speak with great knowledge and passion. Thank you.

  • @andrijaaqualung2501
    @andrijaaqualung2501 5 лет назад

    Rob Brown, you are completly right!
    I have the same kit Yamaha Gig Maker, and since I've got it, I'm so satisfied with the sound..
    I tuned it the same way you showed in tunning video, it really works..
    Also I put this drum on stage, got the same reaction of guy on mixer..
    I love your videos, keep doing it, your work is awesome!

  • @Kineticartist
    @Kineticartist 7 лет назад

    THIS is why we watch and listen Gob bless Rob

  • @StompL7
    @StompL7 7 лет назад +2

    Thank you for those sincere words Rob . I really appreciate that :). I've been practicing the traditional grip for more than a month because of you and i'm really impressed by the progress, thank you again rob !

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад

      +StompL7 That's awesome 👊🏽 And you're welcome 🙂

  • @stevenlongoria8138
    @stevenlongoria8138 7 лет назад

    Rob, you are a motivation and spot-on with you comments. Always positive and encouraging in all your videos.

    • @RobBeatdownBrown
      @RobBeatdownBrown  7 лет назад

      +Steven Longoria Thanks Steven. I find that encouraging myself. Thanx for watchin 🙂

  • @DrumsbiblebikeGodspeed
    @DrumsbiblebikeGodspeed 6 лет назад

    Very well said on everything in your video my friend and agree 100 percent take care !

  • @JayDeeDrums
    @JayDeeDrums 6 лет назад +1

    Great advice Rob!
    Particularly when you said about keeping the kit to your skill level, when I got my 1st kit I wasn’t learning the way I am now and wasn’t motivated the way I am now.
    After a few months of learning songs by ear casually I was buying extra cymbals and got myself a double pedal, another person might have been motivated to master these tools but it didn’t go that way for me, I was no more motivated than before.
    Nowadays my strategy would be to get faster with one pedal, then try improving my left by swapping the kit round, then when you’re decent at that sure get a cheap double pedal and work on that, you are right it can feel so rewarding to work in this way 👏🏼

  • @OldStationRecords
    @OldStationRecords 7 лет назад

    Your speaking and concepts are clear, and totally agree with you. There is nowdays a trend specially into young people that the instrument should give you everything...and it´s all the way round... thank you for your always generous uploading. Cheers, Joe