SLU Exorcism 1949 Panel Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2013
- The Saint Louis University Libraries Special Collections, in a joint program with the University's Office of Mission and Ministry, presented a guest lecture and panel discussion on the Saint Louis Exorcism of 1949 on Oct. 29, at Pius XII Memorial Library.
The events surrounding this exorcism, which was performed in St. Louis in 1949, formed the basis for the 1971 novel by William Peter Blatty, The Exorcist, and the 1973 film of the same name, considered by many to be the most frightening motion picture of all time. The film marks its 40th anniversary this year.
The novel and the film tell the story of the demonic possession of a twelve-year-old girl and the exorcism performed to free her of the demon. Both the novel and the film portray these events as occurring in the Georgetown neighborhood of Washington, D.C., with two Jesuit priests on the faculty of Georgetown University conducting the rite of exorcism.
However, the real-life events on which the novel and film are based involved a fourteen-year-old boy living in a Maryland suburb of Washington, D.C. Between January and March 1949, a series of strange and bizarre events took place in or near the boy's home, but the actual exorcism was performed in St. Louis on the campus of Saint Louis University and at the Alexian Brothers Hospital (no longer standing) from March to April 1949, by Jesuit priests associated with Saint Louis University.
The guest speaker, Thomas B. Allen, is the author of Possessed: The True Story of an Exorcism (Doubleday, 1993), which is considered the most comprehensive treatment of the events associated with the 1949 exorcism. Allen provided a chronological account of these events and also discussed his friendship with Father Walter Halloran, S.J., the young seminarian who assisted at the exorcism and whom Allen met when beginning research for his book in 1990.
Father Paul Stark, S.J., Vice-President for Mission and Ministry, moderated the program and provided an overview of the modern rite of exorcism.
University Archivist John Waide spoke about the individuals involved and the continuing interest in these events and their subsequent reporting and retelling. Noted Jesuit historian and scholar, Father John Padberg, S.J., discussed the history of exorcism in the Church and recounted his recollections of the participants.
My visit to Rome and the Vatican was mixed feelings. The riches and the Hypocrites in the church sadden me. I pray Justice will prevail for the thousands of children killed and Molested through the church🙏
I think it gives a lot of people mixed feelings. There is good and bad everywhere even at the Vatican
Children weren't killed, tard.
Remember priest are human too and evil can possess them we need to pray for the priest there battle is everyday🙏 even Judas one of Jesus apostle is possessed by demon. We need more like Padre Pio who battle demon for the sake of our faith. Believe God is in control let our faith shine to those in the darkness and guide them to Jesus 🙏🙏🙏
The Church has been infiltrated, but God will clean his church sooner or later. Evil Priest will answer to God on their Day of Judgement. Remember what the Lord said about harming children.
In the name of Dominus. Evil demons leave the churches.
They should have invited Fr. Ripperger to speak about the topic.
And also Fr. Gary Thomas and Fr. Vincent Lampert
Does he fuck altar boys who forgot their altar boy chastity belts.
That first priest that prayed? Now THAT was a prayer!!!! Why don't we hear a prayer like that every Sunday? People would sit up and take notice for sure. Instead we have a mumbling of prayers of th e people for 10 minuted, while we just keep repeating Lord hear our prayer, and No one is even actually praying. I want to hear prayers like this in church. It's probably because he's old school. When he was coming up through the ranks, they knew that the devil was real, he was not a psychological construct of the evil men can do; he is a person without a body who is not to be trifled with.
Go to the Latin Mass for real prayers - oh wait, Jorge is banning the Latin Mass now.
@@paxdomini6061 is he really? Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. Perhaps I am the only one, but is there anything about that man's eyes that bother you? I honestly get chills looking at him, and that is not a common reaction with me. I'm not one of these people that sees the Virgin Mary in a grease spot on the kitchen wall :).I hate to say it ( Noone wants to commit calumny or cast unjust aspersions), but there is a look in his eyes that is downright creepy. Is it just me or does anyone else out there see it?
We were told in 1999 in the Jubilation teachings sanctioned by the John Paul II, that we would return to gathering in our homes for Mass and spiritual practices. Latin Mass has had a revival in churches world wide. People are drawn to it's beauty and reverence to God.
@@wmnoffaith1 Hmmf ...... It's probably just you who thinks so!
And can you decide soon?
Dit citat: "the devil was real, he was not a psychological construct of the evil men can do; he is a person without a body who is not to be trifled with."
Then he probably does not have eyes either, right?
It is possible that you would appreciate the Latin Mass. It is known as the Traditional Latin Mass. It is a game changer for sure.
Wow....."rescued from the powers of darkness by Jesus Christ"...Glory to God on high.....🙌🏻💝👑
Well, after 13 years of trying to seek help for my daughter who is possessed, I'm shut out from being able to contact an exorcist. They talk on You Tube, but that seems to be all they do. Like trying to reach a movie star.
@@susiearviso3032 Do not give up. You are your daughter's advocate & hope for help. ✝️🙏
I would like to hear Fr. Chad Ripperger speak on this case.
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THANK YOU for This Great Gift ... The Lord Jesus has bestowed upon us through You !!! I AM so Grateful!!!
This was 7 yrs ago and I'm here watching. I am doing my own research about devil possessions. I learned so much.
I would take note, if I were you that the Aunt Harriet had passed away. Was she a spiteful woman, I wonder? She may have passed the initial spirit of spite to R. If she had cancer or some other fatal disease the spirit would pass, usually to a young family member. So I'd suppose this woman with a demonic entity could easily have called upon other spirits through agreement with R. to move the ouijah board instrument. A child can easily be called into an agreement that allowed a spirit or spirits to enter and use his body to move the device. In Judaiism there was a long standing tradition of putting an open pitcher next to the bed of the dying. Demonic spirits, it seemed, wanted to find a "wet" body to enter as their previous host died. Regardless of religion background, demon will move from the dying to the young--commonly within the family. Do you suppose this is the source of the title "familiar" spirits. The Jewish caretaker or family hoped any demon would enter the pitcher. At death, the pitcher was covered and the water disposed of. (The word "wet" is still used among certain murderers who refer to murder as "wet works." I known this term has been used by murderers in the Luciferian Order, but I don't know that it is exclusive to them. While we often hear the terms "devil" and "satan," the name by which he is known is Lucifer.)
Stay away from these things
What were your findings?
Raping altar boys and casting out demons. Sign me up!!!!
@@nadzach Raping altar boys is God's work. Christian ecstasy and Holy Water enemas.
As an Irish Catholic it warms my heart to see such a great attendance, as the mass attendance in Ireland has fallen dramatically , god is good all the best.
Please write God's name with a capital letter: God.
G od
The word "spite" on the bars in Robby's dream makes sense to me. Satan is filled with spite against humans. This is because God grants humans a path to heaven from which Satan was cast down. Satan is barred from heaven due to his spite.
It seems to be that the Jesuit Priest who spoke was unduly skeptical. Has he ever spoken to a real live Exorcist? He quoted reports from Paris from long ago. Perhaps the Devil has made more inroads in the last and current century due to the general lack of holiness or even of faith?
I wonder if the jesuit still beleive in god. Its a job for him
Thanks for this very interesting. God is love.
Generally very informative. However, I wonder why an exorcist was not invited to the panel discussion. This would have been a good venue to have someone explain the teachings of the Church about the Rite of Exorcism.
because these are Jesuits and they tend to over intellectualize everything, even when the evidence is staring them right in the face...they don't really believe in the rite of exorcism and would rather avoid any dealings with it. I'm sure that experience left those Jesuits involved with the exorcism of that boy scar'ed for life and some never talked about it publicly ever.
Courts don't recognize demons, so the historical ignorance is too funny to actually watch. It's only for the completely bonkers religious people, that believe that Galileo should not have been allowed out of hell recently. They think the recent Pope that released Galileo is crazy. The recent Pope who released Galileo thought that the world seems to think that Galileo was OK....Believing in demons is not a legal excuse. Never has been and never will be. Why is that?
@@clattereffect What, a creepy cult of religious people has challenges? Tell me more! Is it Obscurism?
I would have liked to hear Adam Blai speak
Ahh- whatabuncha morons your overintellectualized commentary about this lecture makes you all sound like. Look up the expression "knownothings" and overintellectualize about it. Thanks.
Never play with a Ouija board too ! That’s how it started
Really?! So every person who has played with a ouija board has had problems with demons? I have a hard time believing that. If not everyone, why some and not others? Please explain.
Nowadays almost everytime a movie comes out people's playing with a ouija board or practice some kind of witchcraft & get possessed by a demon, I go like "yup that will do it." Witchcraft or any other black magic involving a summoning of a spirit ain't no joke.
P L A Y A L O N E
That's a movie, you gosh darn idiot
@@chevafootbrave7875 movies portray reality. Sometimes reality portrays movies.
OMG I can't believe you picked that intro music...Bold!!!
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As for “Spite” at 1:08:40 I found this in a WaPo review from 1993: As a high school freshman I heard a condensed version of the incident in religion class. I've never forgotten what the boy's "alter ego" (shall we say) replied when asked what he called himself: "I will answer to the name of Spite."
How about doing an exorcism on the Catholic Church in order to get rid of all the child molesters and sexual predators. If they can do that then I'll attempt to believe in this B.S. Give me a break.
I had an experience when I was living with my brother who had phrenic episodes of anger towards the outside day to day experiences. He would keep rehashing how he couldn't cope with some interactions with people and would take his vengeance out on his family. I succumbed to this finally after transference from a negative spirit attachment of his and have not been able to get back to my old self again ever since. I got a fright which led to a foothold on my mind. I would like to change that traumatic experience.
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You have to understand that Hawaiian culture is founded on love, on the spirit of aloha. Hawaiians still practice the ancient ritual of forgiveness called Ho'opono'pono. Pono is justice is Hawai'ian. Translation: to make things right. It involves repeating this mantra:: I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. this is purifying to your mind and heart. This ancient Hawaiian practice is a process of making things right in your relationships, including with ancestors, the earth and yourself. I encourage you to explore this as a way to heal. There is nothing sacrilege in it since it parallels with the teachings of Christ. Forgiveness heals the mind heart and soul. Mahalo Nui Loa~
Please start praying the Holy Rosary Daily! It’s the weapon against evil! You will see a drastic change in yourself and others. God bless you! 🌹✝️🌹
Could they have rattled the mics any more? I could almost hear what was being said over the mic bumping.
The demon when it inscribed "Louis" on the boys body would probably be unable to write the word "St." [Saint] due to the fact that a Saint is such a high ranking person in the Christian hierarchy.
So, why don't courts recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons?
@@katesebring6228 Religious dung helps us see this.
OK Dumbfuck!
@@katesebring6228 ,,, demons were considered Angels before they rebelled not after.
@@martinkent333 You want proof ?...There is an easy Scientific Method for discovery that demons are real....and waiting for you to challenge them. It can be accomplished any where every day of the week.
Find the names of demons from a Google search. Write them down on any paper and start taunting them. Place some dog shit on the name/s and dare that demon to stop you...because you can kick its ass so to speak. Be like a real Scientist and do that every day for a Month. Google signs of possession and then call an exorcist...Before it is too late.
RUclips seems to turn sound off selectively from time to time. IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING!
Robbie/Roland has passed away. His REAL name was Ronald Hunkeler. He went on to work for NASA for decades and is credited with inventing the heat shield tiles that were used on the space shuttle.
Very nice choice of intro music :-)
Yum, Yum, Yum!!!!
I find it deeply troubling that even with all these "professionals" , the statements made, and the reality of the Gospels, that in the end you still have difficulty admitting that it was diabolic.
Jesuit University
Many have lost the faith since vatican II. "They do not believe" as the late Fr. malachi Martin said.
How can they ever admit that it was Diabolical, when the POPE HIMSELF DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF THE DEVIL AND THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST???
The Heretical Statement not only denounces, The Trinity, it denies OUR SALVATION THROUGH THE REDEMPTION OF THE SECOND PERSON OF THE BLESSED TRINITY, along with the Gates of Heaven being closed to us because of the Sin of Adam and Eve.
i guess thats why it took a long time to cast away the demon, seems these Jesuits are weak in faith
I think they still ruled supernatural etc though / maybe just technical definition
I had to stop the video so I could check the comments, and I'm relieved to see that I am not the only Catholic that feels something was not quite right with some of the presentations. What has happened to the Jesuits? Very sad.
The Church has been infiltrated by the Modernists, predominantly through the Jesuits. Not surprising.
I too, wonder. When St Ignatius founded the Jesuits, it was to defend and evangelise the faith. In fairness, loads of good Jesuits died as martyrs in spreading the faith, including to Asia, South America, etc.
How can it be that the current head of the Jesuits - can't remember his name but big moustache - actually said the devil is not real but a 'construct' for us to explain evil. And even worse is Bergoglio - deliberately termite-ing and diluting the doctrines, spreading confusion. At his age, instead of worrying about meeting God's Judgement, he is accelerating and doubling down. I just don't understand what is going on in their twisted minds.
Can someone tell me what the last question was about? just out of curiosity, that was a bit odd. Had to rewind that part a couple of times to grasp what was being asked but that never came into fruition.
With regards to the question around the 25 min mark, wouldn't Job fall under that category? Or did I miss understand the phrasing?
Is it Spite or Spike? If spike, maybe in reference to the nail on the Christ on the Cross? It was heard for me me to hear the word? Please provide. Thank you.
1:37:31 So basically a time like today. I believe there are many who are oppressed and don't know it. It can come over you and you just can't figure out why you're so angry, mad, sad just different.
My father was a doctor teaching medical students when this occurred. He didn’t realize anything for a number of years.
The modernism runs deep in this one……
St Padre Pio was such a powerful man of God he exorcised a woman possessed by Satan instantly by just blessing her.
Very interesting.
His real name is Ronnie. Also the people that live in the house here in St. Louis have both of their small children in the same room that ronnie was in. The owner is said to be an atheist and has told me in his own words that he doesn’t believe in it all. Make of it all as you will but although Iam not Catholic, I do believe in negative energy and u can feel it seeping through the walls as I was outside of the home several years ago. Crazy crazy vibes to say the least.
I thought the house was in Maryland, near Mt Rainer…are you referring to the house with his relatives?
@@emilys5024 they moved to St. Louis for help so this is the house in bel-nor that I’m speaking of. But yes they originally lived somewhere near Washington D.C.. and had family here in St. Louis
@@aprildedert9510 Thanks....that is so interesting that they now have an atheistic family living there that do not even seem to care.
OMG 😲 😱 weird
Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting.
Can someone whos english speaking native write me what was the word "Robbie" saw after it ended (@1:09:02)?
I really cant understand what he says, it sounds to mi like spike, spite, but that doesent have any sense to me...
Thank you in advance, whomever will reply :)
God bless you all
The word is Spite. The demon was the demon of spite, the type that seeks only to offend and hurt others. Demons can be addressed by the field in which they work, like demon of blindness, or demon of disobedience etc... I hope that helps. With love in Christ, Ken, UK.
@@KennethNicholson1972 Thank you brother, God bless, cheers from Croatia
Igor Svačić...."spite"....znači PRKOS! Bog te blagoslovio.
These presentations' conclusions were quite disappointing. I thought the Church was the light of the World, supposedly capable of bringing clarity of vision and understanding on issues, but hearing these speakers end their remarks with a note of agnosticism (I don't know), I wonder what is the difference between these Christian clergy and the next atheist or agnostic club on campus?
Historically, Roman Catholics have always tried to obscure things and dogmatism was the hip custom. Courts don't recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons, so dirty Bishops can't use the "Demons Made Me Do It!," defence. Believing courts are delusional, shows we are silly.
If you want good talks on this topic Fr. Vincent Lampart is a great place to go. Just look him up on RUclips and you'll find his interviews as well as his lectures
@@martinkent333 Sounds like you have a disliking for Catholic Bishops. Just note, just because some Catholic Bishops have done awful things does not mean they are all bad. Most of them are great men who have dedicated their lives to preach what they know/think to be true.
Some of this is interesting. Very disappointing that an actual exorcist (current or past) was not a part of this panel discussion. I got the distinct impression that some (all?) on this panel are frankly dubious about the whole idea of demonic possession. I guess everyone has their own idea of what this is all about - but if I want to know about the war in Afghanistan, it would make more sense to learn about it from someone who fought in Afghanistan. Enjoyed Father Padburg's comment about how doctrine of the Trinity is more important, but not as popular, as talks about possession. Thank you for posting.
smurfred1 that’s because actual exorcist priests will not be interviewed or identified.
@@gypsymommabear3383 ...the main exorcist has died, but in his lifetime since the incident he never really spoke about it....that probably is the reason why he asked the other priest with him there to document everything, because he does not want to really talk about it.
Same sentiments.
@@gypsymommabear3383 Come listen to one of my sessions with my sister Dee.
Healing with Jeanette-Sister Dee 001
@@gypsymommabear3383 Courts don't recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons, so priests are scared of going to jail from their creepy exorcism mucking about..
I agree with the apostolic gentleman- backsliding if the faithful is a keen opportunity for demonic forces to pounce
Why don't courts recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons?
@@martinkent333 Same reason why OJ was not convicted. And that's fucking MURDER
"The Sheild of Faith is battered,
but it will not lie down
to let defeat prevail"
--McKee
My visit to Rome and the Vatican was mixed feelings. The riches and the Hypocrites in the church sadden me. I pray Justice will prevail for the thousands of children killed and Molested through the church🙏
The infallibility of the Pope is only when he spraks ex-cathedra to declare a Dogma, such as the Immaculate Conception or the Incarnation or the Dogma of the Holy Trinity.
Why don't courts recognize invisible creatures? Angels and demons are recognized by billions, yet judges never forgive rapist priests because of demonic influences. Why is that? Don't judges have delusions and believe in imaginary creatures?
Unfortunate that last question was so odd, since this rest of this was quite interesting.
I would be very interested in sitting in on this in person; but alas we have YT.
Some commenting below express disappointment at the way this panel did not reveal any details. They didn't do that b/c a) the person is still living and has family b) protection of privacy. I am sure we can all understand that.
Indexanimisermo- Yes! So many people commenting here have no clue. Exorcisms fall under the category of confessional material. Priests are obligated to protect the identity of the boy who was possessed.
yes, agreed Alec. There is so much ignorance at large about the soul, the realm of angels and demons, mortal sin, sanctifying grace, exorcism of demons with full authority from Christ acting through the priest...on and on. All these things have always been available to the traditional Catholic. Today it is spat upon, attacked from outside and from within, and yet Catholicism has always been the keeper of truth providing those within its "ark" all they need to live their lives free from mortal sin, spiritual strength to endure discomfort, deal with crisis, and prepare for a good death, therefore enjoy this thing called, "happiness" despite all hardships.
@@alecfoster4413 Courts don't recognize invisible creatures. The cult of religious creeps always loves to help the afflicted. No one else specializes in creepy stuff, so they own the bag. If there is a court case they are left holding the bag. Bottomfeeders always pretend to help the most ignorant.
Of course, its not like this was published on a public forum like you tube
If you want to research more about this I recommend . Martin Malachi interviewed by Art Bell . Also Trey Smith “ God in a nutshell ect on you tube
Nice
I couldn’t help but notice how in the beginning, the moderators head looked like it was adorned with horns in the shadow behind him hahaha, oh the irony, it made me laugh 😄
The image on the overhead screen is smaller than the reality on the stage, What's the point of the screen?
Bwhahahaha
I found this a very interesting panel. Being a Pentecost church where you see the deliverance of oppression. Russ Dizdar cast many demonic spirits out of people. His book Black Awakening was excellent read.
How in the world could this discussion take place without having one of the Alexian Brothers, in whose hospital the exorcism took place? They live about two miles from SLU, and there are elderly brothers who still live there that participated in the exorcism. Historians are all well and good, but it's nothing like having been there to get perspective.
Courts don't recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons. So creepy cultists do and creep everyone else with their creepy nonsense. When a religious person goes to court and blames the devil for a crime, the court has a good laugh and then looks at the facts of the case.
Martin no one cares about ungodly judges, at the end of the day people have to be accountable for actions that take place, at some point if they are possessed they are accountable for allowing an entity access.
What is the name of the book
I think the should have invited Fr. Gabriel Amorth who conducted many exorcisms.
I wish these were louder every single one of your videos is so low and volume I have mine all the way up and I can't hear it unless I put on my JBL headphones no other headphones will pick up the sound
PLEASE fix your microphone set up there, because there were so many annoying noises created by every movement of the speakers on the panel that it became distracting and downright annoying when trying to focus on content.😳
Prayers for the man that ask for help at the end 🙏 💔
My life changed when I realized these verses below are literally true.
It is a personal relationship with The King of Glory every person can have.
2 Cor. 4:4 says satan is the god of this world. He is responsible for hate, anger, revenge, bitterness. But we blame GOD when things go wrong.
I've been in the presence of the most ominous thing imaginable three times, I've had 4- 5,000 negative dreams. I've been held down 25-30 times, I've had so many thoughts of feeling guilty or worthless I planned suicide more than once. A pastor said he was constantly reminded of something he did. IGNORE THOUGHTS OF GUILT, it is NOT The Holy Spirit as some claim. Do not grieve The Holy Spirit who pours out GOD'S love Rom. 5:5. AND ignore dreams that make you depressed. Sing the song Light of the World by We the Kingdom when you wake up. It will change your emotions.
I've heard satan say "I don't want to pray". And I've heard him say things to prove he is stupid. He said "their hero died" referring to me when I thought I would, and "stop the trash talk" ; I then said it more to harass him knowing he could not do anything to me.
Some know he hears. Today I say satan you stupid, ignorant dimwitted moron you are the offspring of a sow you will bow to me because Jesus is right beside me.
The KOG is in our midst Luke 17:21 LITERALLY. Where's Jesus -in the KOG.
2 Cor. 13:5 do you not realize Christ Jesus is in you.
Jesus came to destroy the work of the devil (yesterday and today) 1 John 3:8 and John 10:10.. Jesus is Lord of the living (us) and the dead Rom. 14:9. Jesus said each day has its own troubles Mat. 6:34. I have been helped too many times to count. A man said fear left when I said Jesus remove anything here not from GOD'S love.
I told him next time he needs to ask as I won't be there.
Some are taught to fear GOD. HE said their fear of ME is a commandment of men Isa 29:13.
David Sorenson is used by GOD for miraculous healings and says religious mindsets have crept into the church for centuries. David says, “Many are looking for the return of Jesus Christ, but He is looking for people where He can dwell right here and now, with His glorious presence”. I have many examples of His presence.
Richard met GOD (RUclips) cries talking about GOD'S unconditional love.
Howard Storm (RUclips) cries talking about Jesus saving him.
Have you read Malachi Martin: Hostage to the Devil. The possession and Exorcism of five contemporary Americans?
I suggest this. If you already believe in Exorcism and particularly. If you are strong in the Catholic Faith.
I would add People of the Lie by dr Robert Peck. He’s a psychiatrist that has consulted on a number of exorcisms and delves into a case study of evil
Great book. Rest In Peace Fr Malachi Martin
I could not read it after dark….only during daylight hours! He is an excellent source, Fr Malachi Martin, with his Coast to Coast RUclips videos. Yes, may God’s Perpetual Light shine upon his soul!
@@emilys5024
Lol.
'Oh,' many say, 'believing in a devil is so old-fashioned and superstitious,' as they tout old pagan ideas and refuse to walk under ladders.
Yup, no court has ever recognized invisible creatures. So, the delusional think that the judges should forgive the Bishop child rapists, because Satan them him rape.
This is neat😊
Also loved that it ended with "light refreshments." LOL. Otherwise, I thought it was great.
Let's rape, kill and eat some choirboys. Freshly fucked, Bishop McCarrick can do a Black mass BBQ!!!
The Lord said that some demons do not leave without a combination of prayer and fasting. Would fasting have sped this exorcism up?
I have just read a great source on this….the main priest fasted through the entire months it took. His relative said he lost 35-40 lbs. He never talked about the case but appeared exhausted.
Do any of you have a combat rosary?
No, can you kindly explain what it is?
My combat rosary is a St. Benedict one.
I've heard of rosary army and St Michael rosary.
No but my farts are pretty deadly.
Hard to type anything with tish
Is it true your body (soul) takes a hit every time you deal with evil or true evil?
So sad to hear frustrating answers that end up with the word I Dont know.What is greatly missing in this panel is an actual Exorcist who can easily shed answer to basic question as who are vulnerable to possession.
Have you listened to Fr. Malachi Martin's first appearance on Coast to coast with Art Bell?
Fr. Amorth , may he rest in peace 🙏
Courts don't recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons, dude. So when priests blame Satan for the child rapes and payoffs, the judges ignore this excuse.
@@martinkent333 you dont subject your soul for salvation to court either.
Need Father Lampert.
The paradox of YIN & YANG IS REAL. Comments of skepticism on EVIL IS making the adversary smile. Beware of your own UNBELIEF.
AMEN..🙏🙏🙏♥️
With all due respect to Thomas B. Allen and his distinguished and sincere fellow panelists, they appear to be insufficiently informed as to their subject. To come anywhere close to having a true and comprehensive understanding of the "Robbie" Hunkeler/St Louis exorcism case, one must consult numerous resources published by different authors. Prior to the Hunkeler/St Louis exorcism of 1949, a similar case involving Emma Schmidt aka Anna Ecklund occurred in Earling, Iowa in 1928 (and beyond) that was the subject of the popular 1935 pamphlet "Begone Satan!" and a Times Magazine article published in 1936. The two cases share some major points in common: Both families hailed from Western Europe (the Hunkelers from Germany, the Schmidts from Switzerland), both cases feature aunts who purportedly exerted dark "occult" influences on those "possessed" and, most importantly, both cases feature the lurid "manifestations" that made for such horrific and sensational viewing in The Exorcist, the script for which was based upon BOTH cases although this is little known. In fact, it is details from the Schmidt/Iowa case provided in "Begone Satan!" that translated into the most shocking scenes in The Exorcist-- extreme levitation and projectile vomiting-- rather than the Hunkeler case.
A related footnote with regard to The Exorcist is that the "spider walk" scene, cut from the original release and later restored, was "borrowed" without acknowledgement from the 1963 possession-themed Italian film "Il Demonio" which was also based upon real-life events that took place circa the late 1950s-early 1960s in the Apulia region of Italy.
Given that the Schmidt/Iowa case predates the Hunkeler/St Louis case by decades and was well publicized, its possible influence in the Hunkeler case, perhaps even as a "script" or template of sorts, must be seriously considered. The definitive book about the 1949 Hunkeler/St. Louis case, apparently unknown to the panelists, is Sergio A. Rueda's "Diabolical Possession and the Case Behind The Exorcist: An Overview of Scientific Research, with Interviews with Witnesses and Experts" published in 2018. Rueda personally spoke with Ronald Hunkeler and others involved in the case and publishes for the first time previously unseen documents sourced from the first team to attempt treatment of Hunkeler. The second most important resource for the panelists to become familiar with is Mark Opsasnick's highly revelatory serialized article "The Haunted Boy of Cottage City: The Cold Hard Facts Behind the Story that Inspired The Exorcist" (originally published in 1999 in Strange Magazine and cited by Segio A. Rueda in "Diabolical Possession").
For those interested, here are links to the 1936 Times Magazine article about the Iowa case, Mark Opsasnick's "Haunted Boy" article, and Sergio Rueda's "Diabolical Possession" book:
content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,883526,00.html
www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage1.html
bookshop.org/books/diabolical-possession-and-the-case-behind-the-exorcist-an-overview-of-scientific-research-with-interviews-with-witnesses-and-experts/9781476673844
I research much….just curious as to how you found all these resources? Do you research into this particular spiritual phenomena?
@@emilys5024 I am a professional researcher; my personal M.O. is that of complete immersion of my target subject and relentless, exhaustive inquiry. What I stated in my post above in terms of resources and my overview is probably near-encyclopedic at this point.
@@jonsilence Well, I thank you for the information…I am interested in this subject, I just don’t research it at night, as it is now….only daylight hours for this topic!!
@@emilys5024 You're welcome Emily. Some homework for you--only for the daytime of course: the 1963 Italian film "Il Demonio" (The Demon) from which the Exorcist's "spider walk" was--shall we say--borrowed. "Il Demonio" is based on real-life events that occurred in the rural Apulia region of Italy. Here's a RUclips link for the film: ruclips.net/video/LMQUmzC40eA/видео.html
@@emilys5024 Related to my previous response: Actress Daliah Lavi speaking about her role in the 1963 film "Il Demonio": "That [Il Demonio] is my best work, I think. Everything you see in that movie, except me and the other lead actor [Frank Wolff] is real. It was shot on real locations with real people who lived and worked in those villages. It was in Lucania. The Pulia [Apulia] they call them. It's up in the mountains. I read the story and I was hooked right away. The woman I played, she was just a young girl, not a woman. I remember she had pigtails. ...most of the things I do in the movie, she did. I think they took her story and edited it, because a lot of the things she did were things the Church wouldn't allow us to recreate. They took me to a hospital and allowed me-- they took me to see her and she was very gentle. She was not at all crazy. The doctors told me she could be like this for a couple of days, and then she would just go into her... psychotic part, or whatever. I remember that I had to go back a couple of times, and nothing happened. She was just sitting there, playing with blocks, doing nothing, just looking at me through these big eyes. I remember that she looked very fragile. But luckily, I caught her once in her madness, and it was unbelievable. She became so strong she could lift a whole table, and she looked like the type who could not even lift a feather! With the adrenaline they get, she could do anything! And then she started to talk strangely, to curse, and... she laid down on the floor and touched her head to her feet and started to roll! Anyway, that's how I saw her. I didn't copy her, but I got her energy. I was very taken by this movie, by this part, and it never happened to me before or since. I mean, to be almost possessed myself by the movie, by the girl. She entered my persona. It was frightening! The fact that the atmosphere had stayed in the village helped a lot. We were not in a studio; we were in the mountains with those people, and I was affected by this, very sensitive to that environment. ...I felt that I was this person, because everybody in the movie said that I was possessed. It took me about two to three weeks to get out of the role once I came back to Rome. I had nightmares, and .... That's why I remember this movie so well, because it left a mark on me, emotionally and physically. I was not acting."
From: Video Watchdog magazine #170 / Sept-Oct 2012 includes the first publication of an interview with Il Demonio lead actress Daliah Lavi, conducted by film critic Tim Lucas in November 2000.
What is that brick gothic window graphics in the windows? Is it "wallpaper" to allow for the video projector? Is it real? Is it next door? Can't figure it out.
If you look at the 31 minute mark you can see that those are just printed posters, both for decoration and to keep the speakers from being backlit from the windows.
Looked like a shade
yes
Lol
Part of drama!
Wow😲
What was the word on the bars, spy or spike?
Spite
Did the pope comment on this case in 1949?
i cannot believe , what i hear at the end of the discussion. If you guys do not believe, that the devil exists, you should not be priests.
Two people on the sound board and neither of them do a thing to stop the banging of the mike stand on the podium. Sound engineers that aren’t sensitive to sound need to find another line of work.
Can Angels possess other Angel's or the fallen ones or vice versa?
No. Angels and demons don't have bodies. Demons can't possess something unless it has a body. Look up Father Rippergers talks on angels on RUclips. Very interesting topic.
@@keeperofthedomus7654 Thank You for the info. I Appreciate that.
1:10:26 That was a WHOLE LOT OF TALKING that could’ve been summed up in one sentence: “I don’t know”. 🙄
It's funny to me that Parker Bros. still makes the Ouija considering all of the trouble they've caused. People don't learn from the misery of others, though. They still sell a ton of em. Even more, now.
An exorcism is a Matter of faith. The greater the faith found in the exorcist, the more efficacious the prayers. All possessions, can only occur with Our Lords approval. Generally by people who are very Holy. Or As a victim soul. Others as a way to draw them closer to our Lord.
The prayers are ones Mother church has pulled together over the ages. It can be delivered in the vernacular or in times were a little more umph is needed, in Latin. Latin is a language particularly displeasing to demons. A language they cannot pervert, which is a reason Mother church uses it as it’s mother tongue.
I wish there was a way to get back the 1:53:54 runtime wasted along with the data and battery used to listen to this utter waste of time. I feel sorry for the gentlemen in the audience who spoke at the end about his own personal experience only to receive crickets back from the panel. It’s too bad the boy who was possessed wasn’t taken to a Greek Orthodox or Catholic Church to be exorcised by the pros. If that were the case we might have had something worth listening to here…
Ave Dominus.
Now the Catholic Church is back to an era of acknowledging and advocating for exorcisms. They have been working to get young priests into serving in that area. This video seems to have been made at a different stage.
I have a question to anyone who can answer this if there is only one ark angle named the devil who was cast out from heaven who will process a one person how can he invade more then one person’s body at the same time from different places or country around the world
Well the theory is that there are many demons. Satan is the prince though. So he’s not the only one but allegedly people get possessed by different demons under Satan. That’s my understanding of it.
The RCC recognizes 3 arch angels: Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel. Lucifer is a fallen angel, and is no longer included in the angelic hierarchy, though he is still powerful. Some of the research I've done seems to indicate that he wasn't an arch angel, but might have been a cherub.
Read Enoch
So our Govt. actually held God in regards on Easter?! Why did they stop?
I have a ouija board that was made and is the same model the Aunt and the boy used . I have never used it and probably never will in my life time.
Get rid of it .
Volume too low.
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I feel that keeping Jesus on the cross is wrong, because he did not stay on the cross! It's like whoever does that is crucifying forever,it's bad,he overcame death, and lived to come back as he will again soon,but this time as the lion,the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!😊Amen,Glory to God 🙏
That is true…but, they use the Crucifix as the reminder that we are still in this world and will suffer and to keep our eyes on He Who took on the worst suffering…for all of us out of Love.
Kind of tastless to literally have the score of the Hollywood movie in the beginning no?
I lived in St Louis for a long time. Ive been to many of the locations they mention. I was a little taken aback by the condescending undertone to this entire talk. Skepticism is certainly required but this seemed overly arrogant. The answer the priest gave one gentleman, when asked where to go if they think someone may be suffering from “this” was troubling. And the inference of mental illness as an explanation of the New Testament account of the Lord casting demons into the pigs bordered on offensive.
I believe the people that were involved in this saw the personification of evil and they know it. Because of the unpopular nature of the topic, the “were smarter than that now” philosophy has taken over and they’ve chosen to dismiss it. Perhaps this is the whole reason Satan wanted the boy to go to St. Louis in the first place. He’d be able to put on a show for all to see and, ultimately, they’d never believe it was him.
Watch Derek Prince he's a wonderful preacher who explains the supernatural and everything else about the bible so clearly
To the new testament create impostures, in meaning, of education understanding of examining and reason why?
😂Get Fr. Vince Lampert or Fr. Chad Ripperger on the panel for a 'real' discussion with 'real' answers. Both very holy and knowledgeable EXORCISTS.
They call it what it is.
See any videos they speak on ... Videos with them actually speaking. NOT "he said she said".
What is sad and disturbing is that such a seemingly pleasant individuals can create all of these stories to further their own gain. Says alot about the people we have to deal with in life. Demons, real or not, that are powerful and intelligent ancient entities would see no gain in the possession of an insignificant human. Unless these men are insane, which I doubt, they should be ashamed of themselves.
His name was Ronald Hunker.
His mom was a spiritualist who played Ouija with him
Funny, the devil did not possess me when I was alone with the Ouija game. My hands touched on the wood without said words but it moved with my hands by itself to the left corner of Ouija board until it was out of it. It was strange. It made me understood...wood point that meant the devil stood there I didn't see. It happened in about two years ago.
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Why did you delete your comment?
This is slightly related and a deeper theological question relating to Catholicism and the Holy Trinity belief, ie that Christ, The Holy Spirit and God are one and the same...in the New Testament the Gospels seem to contradict this in their accounts of the life of Jesus. Jesus refers to 'his father' as a clearly separate God-head entity numerous times. And also says he does not perform miracles, but merely does 'his fathers work' and even states he will reside in 'his fathers heavenly kingdom by his side' after his death. Then there's the well known part in the New Testament where Jesus predicts his death and struggles with this. Numerous times Satan appears to Jesus and tries to get him to question and test God's will and purpose, and even offers Jesus an alternative to dying on the cross in the desert while Jesus was fasting and he was trying to get him to break his fast. If Jesus and God are one and the same, surely Satan wouldn't be able to do this? This notion of Jesus and God being the same entity, puts Satan on an equal footing or even a higher level, if Satan as he claimed to Christ, could offer him 'the kingdom of the earth' without needing to die on the cross? Surely Satan tempting God, is impossible?
Courts don't recognize invisible creatures like angels and demons. So the people that blame the devil for their problems, get short shrift from judges. Why don't judges get the truth and blame demons for Roman Catholic Child rapes? Why are Judges so blind that they don't see the truth? Are Protestants bribing them?
Major microphone interference distraction. Personally not impressed with conference.
Abused and thus weak people are more likely to be at risk for evil possession.
Was the music at the begging really necessary?
Back drop windows look so spooky.......looks like lightning outside gothic Windows .........was that look really necessary ?
Was it really necessary to mention "Exorcist" movie?
Two blood lines.......Cain & Abel..........
Gods Seed (good) satan seed (bad)
God V D-EVIL
GODS WILL BE DONE!
Dominus is how the angels called God
Why don't courts recognize invisible creatures, like angels and demon? Don't they believe in truth?
So non material beings speak ecclesiastic latin?
1:07:00 chills
spite was the reason ?
Look up father Ripperger and listen to his conferences alot better.
Why do clregy not know the answer to the question "who are you going to call?" Go to your priest, the exorcist of each diocese is the bishop, unless he appoints a diocesan exorcist. Go to your local priest or bishop for help. It is a disgrace that these Jesuits would not know that. Or if they do know, that they won't say it.