As incredible as that first cutscene is, it is slightly annoying to me that yet again we are teased with a split second of glorious halo space combat. Why can’t we just have a full in space battle scene??????? 😫
yeah they could manage a decent cutscene at least. it wouldn't work well gameplay wise imo unless you were running maybe a point defense gun or escort fighter, halo space battles are usually centered on capital ship volleys over small one man craft like say a star wars battle
Its short for a reason. Leaves the the rest to your imagination to run wild. Like Halo CE back in the day. The unknown is a good thing when done right.
*Exactly!* neat fan mods like SOTP and Operation Homefront aren't enough, we need actual official and canonically accurate space combat scenes to demonstrate how Halo naval combat (when ships are in visible distance) are like.
Honestly, it would be cool to have a Spartan Ops II in this game, where our goal would be to locate the Infinity and the Chief, while being hunted by the Banished, and more precisely, Jaeger.
I really like that thought, it's an amazing way to bring in our Multiplayer spartan into the story and have a go at a proper spartan ops with the new land and story that we have now with finding what happened.
Spartan ops failed other wise it would’ve been in halo 5 & it’s very unlikely for 343 to bring it back after it failed. The infinity was destroyed meaning it’s gone for good so there’s no finding it lol, it’s most likely just scraps of metal floating in space. Tbh I wouldn’t mind if they brought spartan ops back but they won’t unfortunately.
@rock on It would be the most halo thing if they left that shit out. Halo 1,2 & 3 never had it so i don’t know what you mean it would be the most halo thing 343 just messed up halo, the only reason halo infinite was an alright game was because some people that used to work for bungie helped with the game.
There are some inconsistencies with the theory:- If Infinity just arrived, smashed a Guardian and was immediately ambushed by the Banished then how did the Weapon and Chief get to the surface? In the Logs, it is also mentioned that Lasky dispatched "an escort Fleet" consisting of 6 Frigates (can't remember the classification). I don't think that they had enough time to do all these if the Banished immediately hunted them.
Infinity could have been at Zeta halo for some time, then the Guardian shows up, drops the shield sand infinity fights back to destroy it. But then, moments later the banished fleet that was chasing the guardian attacks infinity instead. Hell maybe Cortana even deliberately lured the banished into a fight with the infinity.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 That doesn't make sense. Cortana was already there in the Coservatory with Despondent Pyre when Infinity arrived. Why would she let Infinity get strongholds on ground, and let UNSC prepare for the battle?
@@Determ1nat1on well, the FOB´s and other bases could have been there from before, since its been known that the UNSC had set up in Zeta Halo when they found it, breaking a treaty with the swords of shangeilos in the process
Assuming Roland hasn't been deleted by 2560 as well as Infinity still having personnel on board, they might have had no option but to attempt a slipspace jump to a random location. We can assume Infinity went off grid due to the damage. We can also get crazier with theories and say that she could have jumped to the Ark out of pure coincidence; that could be a way to bring in the characters from HW to the FPS games. Honestly anything can be put on the table. But to think Infinity is completely destroyed, considering all we've seen this past decade, is just outlandish to me.
My biggest issue with Infinite is how the created was handled, it irritates me to no end how they went from a galaxy wide problem to being killed off screen.
I agree. Its still possible that many of them are out there, though. Its possible that they have the exact same situation as the Banished, thinking that their leader and founder is dead but still having their armies.
I think they really needed to put the entire Halo 5 plot to bed and this was probably the best way to handle it. I don't want any more halo games being messed up because of that dreadful storyline
A thing to remember is the Infinity has been on the run for some time now and probably hasn't had a proper refit and repair, rearm during that and the crew could be fatigued from working constantly to keep her moving and potentially demoralized with Earth attacked again and the loss of UNSC HIGHCOM. And if the Infinity had no AI to help with the ships complex systems I would think the bridge crew would be especially overworked. these factors combined could explain how 4 Banished ships managed to sneak up on the Infinity.
I just hate how all these MAJOR plot points are just massively glossed over. Cortana is already dead, Atriox is missing. Somehow the Banished became a credible threat despite not being so in HW:2 (for those who said he didnt commit much to the Ark, Shadows or Reach suggests otherwise and an old ship with 3 spartans kicked the shit out of them) and in the books. They wipe out Infinity in a single cut-scene which is wierd considering how much time they spent building it up and show fuck all in the character department for pretty much everyone outside of Chief, Weapon, Echo 216 and Escharum (who btw was barely a side character in the books) this game has very shallow writing for the story and I wouldn't be surprised to see that they cut out large sections of the story to sell back to us later. :/ 343 has massively dropped the ball this time, and that's off the back of 5 too :( Don't even get me started on the Endless, 343's answer to the Flood when all we wanted was the parasite to make a comeback.
@@ashleywessels9860 just to go with your sentence on HW2: it was a single banished ship, against an old earth ship yes, but using clever tactics to get the sentinels to destroyed the one true advantage the Banished had over them: space superiority. The Infinity was a single ship, much more recent yes, and would have probably easily destroyed the Banished super carrier on the ark with ease, but they got caught by surprise, after escaping Cortana and her guardian network for so long, compared to being freshly awakened after 28 years in cryo. other thing: 3 Spartans 2's, and one of them (Jerome) who has great leader skills that could have been Master Chief instead of 117. I mean, we played almost all Halo's as a single Spartan against whole armies, and the spirit of fire is still fighting them when Zeta events are occurring
@@xXCursedWorgenXx that single Banished ship could have easily wiped out the spirit of fire, if it engaged them. One of the cutscenes even has banshees attacking the ship.
The Infinity has AIs. Both smart and dumb AIs. Roland has stayed loyal to the ship. And the dumb AIs can do the calculations to fire the Infinity 's weapons. The ship was on a mission to neutralize Cortana. Do you really think they would go without th ship being as combat effective as possible.
@@bengeorge9063 well, yes, although the ship was "anchored" (else Jerome and Isabel wouldn't have been able to use the gravlift to get on), and it's unknown if there was the actual shipmaster on board of not, and let's be real, they wouldn't have sent Banshees if they could've used the ship main weapon (if it had one) which would have got the SoF destroyed in a single salvo.
Gotta remember Lasky gave the order to abandon ship, and he was evacuated himself. I don’t think the Infinity fled somewhere without the Captain and much of the crew missing. She had to have crash landed someone on Halo
I feel like this is a sound theory. I have two possible ideas of where Infinity is A) She crashed somewhere on the ring for a Maw style callback B) She has been captured and repurposed by the Banished
not sure how plausible being captured is since if the AI was still active than any AI worth its salt would activate the self-destruct mechanisms to prevent the Earth (and Forerunner) tech from falling into enemy hands...if crashed on the Halo then it would probably have to be destroyed via a similar method to the Autumn on Installation 04 for the sme reason...deny the Banished the Earth and Forerunner tech on the Infinity
No way the infinity is destroyed. Broken and beaten? Oh for sure, but the UNSC has way too much experience, contingencies, and overall creativity to just roll over and die like that. No doubt in some later update or DLC or whatever with the campaign, we'll see the Infinity return in the same fashion the Foward Unto Dawn came down onto the Ark with either a very freshly built eternity or, if whatever god may allow, the Spirit of Fire because what other place would be safer to heal your wounds than the edge of galactic space and just now receive a distress call from somewhere lightyears away from the Milky Way?
I hope its dead that ship was too OP im really happy its gone tho I do expect in future campaigns we will travel to its wreckage and have a few missions inside it
Whatever the answer is, I was disappointed to not find it in the game. After all the hype the Infinity got an naming the game Infinite, you would expect they would let you know how this occurred. If the Guardian did it then you should have [spoilers] Cortana confirmed that in her voice logs with Atriox [spoilers]
seriously this fucking ship is always just torn apart whenever its shown or mentioned what was the point of a ark/flagship that cant put up a fight or take a beating. hopefully we find some ancient human ships on Zeta halo and advance that lore a little.
@@themonsterwithin6495 or maybe a way to use the flood cells to augment themselves without it taking over. kinda like the spartans now that would get the forerunners attention and fear.
@@themonsterwithin6495 remember ancient humanity had access too the dust that eventually became the flood. originally they were going too try to use it to enhance themselves but decided to try it on their dogs at the time and see what happened. whos to say that during the end of their time they didnt start looking back into finding a way too incorporate the dust into humanity without the host losing their individuality? now that would make the halo rings look like childs play too me.
@@themonsterwithin6495 exactly maybe the flood was scared because some of humanity did find a way to becoming immune to flood control and they couldn't allow the forerunners to get ahold of this. it would be a great story idea for a future dlc involving ancient humanity. either way this could really shake things up. also i feel humanity would just destroy the domain due too all the trouble it has caused all living things due to cortana and the created. but your right this could be exciting.
If you look at the Banished Dreadnaught (BD), you'll notice something on the front... Just like the Brute Chopper, it has a jagged, but bladed, bow. It's also clear that it's heavily reinforced, and seemingly made specifically for ramming other massive ships. Perhaps, even, made specifically for the UNSC Infinity. The rear thrusters on the BD are at full blast, while the Infinity's mostly stationary, meaning that every last bit of force was focused on that single section of hull, rather than being dispersed along the flank. If you've ever used the Brute Chopper in multiplayer... doing the exact same thing to a Warthog will immediately destroy it. Taking the extra armor into account, the BD likely weighed MORE than the Infinity, and the bladed front gave it more cutting power. Next, the UNSC ships **to the best of my knowledge** don't keep their shields up 100% of the time. AFAIK, they only raise them at the start of combat. So, if the Infinity wasn't immediately in a battle, the shields wouldn't be up. The helm is facing forward, with limited visibility. If Atriox used the covenant's slip space tech, he could hide in slip space before surprise-attacking at full speed, close-ranged, at an odd angle. By the time even Roland would notice and begin raising the shields, it'd be too late.
This was a chaotic scene. Roland was never mentioned. Most likely busy trying to keep the ship together. He probably was stranded on infinity due to the battle. Roland lost systemwide communications from banished ramming. He had let the dumb ai be in control of command. The abandon ship must of stranded him, leaving him with limited options. Isabel was the only other ai not compromised or not included to the roster of Cortana ai network. He could of sent the engine with its functions still operating directly to her after the chaos. It takes 8 months to get there and back. But it could of been 2 months away when chief woke up. Roland could of known that something could of happen there since 4 months before the battle at installation 7, the covenant tried activating the halo rings again but failed. The signal must of alerted him to head there directly if infinity was uninhabitable to function properly due to severe hulll loss and nowhere to go for emergency repairs for the forerunner engines. His arrival and seeing from some intact systems restored during the trip there would of alerted him to the battle and surviving forces still alive after all this time. He would of been forced to hail the support ship informing them of the severe problem of infinity issue’s being critically low integrity. Isabel would of been shocked to have someone arrive in battered condition.
Not to mention that the Infinity was rammed by two of the four dreadnoughts. In the part of the cutscene where the Pelicans and phantoms are flying around, you can see another dreadnought making a beeline for the Infinity’s starboard side. Just look under her at 14:25
Plus, I don't ever think there's confirmation for how shields handle a massive collision. Kinetic or energy weapons, sure it may deflect them or something...but a giant bladed brick crashing into your ship. Either it would be as funny looking as bumper cars, or the shields would simply not be able to negate the mass. The latter makes more sense to me.
@@jjhh320 Also the shields would’ve more likely been designed to deal with plasma bolts that Covenant ships use than with kinetic energy. The Infinity itself was never designed as a ramming ship as the Brute ships were. Also you can’t compare a case of being rammed to doing the ramming yourself. I imagine even a Covenant ship ramming the Infinity would’ve done some damage, but much less than what the Brute ships are capable of. However we never see that scenario for us to say for certain it wouldn’t leave a mark.
I like this theory alot, but it seems everyone everytime i watch a halo theory on the cutscene battle they completely forget the banished dreadnoughts have stasis beams. A stasis cannon was a covenant weapon mounted on vehicles, quoted from Halo Alpha Fandom "When fired, it disables the targeted enemy aircraft, rendering it unable to move or fire. Once the Vampire is upgraded with Stasis Drain, the weapon not only stops its target, but also drains its energy regenerating the Vampire itself and making the hostile crash onto the ground. Its second upgrade, Stasis Bomb, causes drained aircraft to explode, inflicting Area-of-Effect damage" This description fits PERFECTLY with infinites opening scene, even though the stasis cannon first appeared in halo wars 1. The stasis beam that the dreadnoughts have now, locked the infinity down unable to move or fire, and perhaps it was upgraded to drain infinity's shields. I think yeah, the infinity arrived at zeta halo and fought a guardian. But the Infinity reacted faster than the guardian could and took it down before it could fire back. Then, the banished fire their stasis beams, disabling engines and weapons, and draining energy giving the dreadnoughts more energy perhaps in the engines which is why the first one was able to do so much damage with its ram.
No, guardian was called by cortana hours after infinity fell and its purpose was to destroy cortana and the ring but despondent pyre teleported the ring with all the wreckage and ships in near orbit. And just after cortana died the guardian deactivated and made a land fall on ring. And yes prometheans also deactivated.
The first thing I noticed was: the shields are down. Each blow has no flicker of light, just explosions. While the Guardians might have dropped the Infinity’s shields, I feel like that’s unlikely, as the Banished wouldn’t have been able to attack so precisely in that case, and they aren’t so blunt as to attack without a plan. Since there’s already enemies onboard, I think Atriox and an advanced force penetrated the ship quietly and disabled the shields, fighting off the major threats while the dreadnoughts decided to eliminate the ship. However, I don’t think they *didn’t* kill the guardian. We know Chief was able to make landfall earlier, since the weapon was down there. So I think he was recalled when they found whatever Atriox was hiding in, and *then* the Banished struck from within and then from without.
I highly doubt that the banished snuck aboard the most advanced warship the UNSC has partly because its dam hard to sneak abord another species ship, you kind of standout a bit ya know? and no way those ships closed with infinity too fast for her to react if it wasn't dealing with a bigger target. these aren't stealth capable ONI prowlers these are capitol class warships. and while they have quiet a bit of power I'm sure they don't have the ability to remain at standoff distance with the infinity, humanity has the advantage at range with AI targeted MAC rounds and point defense. maybe the infinity saw the first ship and ignored it or maybe the two of them both targeting the guardian. Once it went down maybe the banished ship turned on infinity and relayed coordinates for the three other ships to jump in on.
You say The Banished wouldn't attack without a plan, but they would definitely do exactly that if the opportunity is presented, and how would they sneak into the Infinity? The Banished were already inside the Infinity on the cutscene because they were deployed by the Phantoms, you can see that in the cutscene. Your theory is really really bad.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. We see the Infinity already engaging Banished forces prior to the impact of the enemy Dreadnaught. There probably was no Guardian fight at all. It was only the Banished, with Atriox himself leading the boarding party to disable the ship to allow for his fleet's coup de grace.
From audio logs and such the Infinity had came to the ring to find cortana and deal with her... the banished were NOT expected at the ring. If we remember Halo Wars 2 the banished were at the Ark, and Reach. This isn't even the ring that was made in HW2, so, basically they got caught with their pants down and paid for it dearly.
The Dreadnaughts look like they were built for ramming maneuvers, and it kind of doesn't matter how strong the Infinity is, moving fast enough, even smaller ships would plow through the plating. I remember one time, after a tornado, a neighbor of mine found a drinking straw that had been shoved clean through a 2×4, and the straw was completely undamaged due to how fast it was moving.
I’m fairly certain that the Infinity’s wreckage is on Zeta Halo as I’ve seen a picture online showing a very large and very long rectangular shape off in the distance. It even has a hole in the same spot that the banished dreadnought rammed the Infinity. Unfortunately I don’t know exactly where it can be seen from. Edit: I was able to find where it’s visible from. If you climb to the top of the area around foxhound squad, find the guardian corpse and then look to the right, you’ll see it but now that I’m able to get a better look at it, it’s possible that’s it’s actually a part of the rings edge.
At 14:26 you can see a second dreadnought ramming the infinity. The banished knew what they were dealing with and didn’t hesitate to sacrifice two whole dreadnoughts to make sure she was destroyed, so this feels more like an assassination than a battle
I really like this theory. I believe there’s 2 options for the infinity at the moment. Either it’s crashed on Zeta Halo and the Banished occupy it at the moment trying to repair it to operating status. Similar how Halo 4 the infinity crash landed on Requiem. Or 2: if jumped into slipspace after being rammed. However, I do think this is a good opportunity to introduce the sister ship (Eternity) in future story expansions. Good video as always!
I think the best way to think about the campaign's unanswered questions is from the perspective of it having a ten-year plan. It's obviously leaving things ambiguous left and right so they can be expanded on in future DLCs. The fact that we never see the _Infinity_ actually blow up tells me the ship is at least partially intact. She will be the subject of a future DLC. Unless she was captured and repurposed by the Banished as some are suggesting, I think the idea that she can be repaired and flown off of the ring is a little optimistic, and this would likely happen fairly late into that ten-year plan if that _is_ the case, since the game seems to be treating Zeta Halo itself as, well, the main setting for everything to come. Given how much damage was being done, I'd say the ship is probably just being stripped down for parts and technology, but if she was intact enough, then yeah, I could see the Banished using her.
It's kinda ironic that atriox(in my point of view) did save Master Chief from infinity when is about to go down, he had a chance to finish master chief off but instead he just threw him out of space rather than mauled master chief with his hammer to death.
@@braydoxastora5584 I think he just wanted Cortana to think he was dead to crush her hopes cause she was still expecting chief to save the day like he always did
@@braydoxastora5584 he hit him in the head a few times, he was probably just exaggerating what he presumed would have been a fractured skull or concussion, Also as others have said, maybe just to fuck with cortana.
That’s my head cannon too. I look at it like the Infinity has been fighting and running for days or weeks up until that point. Faced off against the guardian and won. Then the banished came in suicidal style and crippled her before they could recover. Banished taking credit and boasting about a 4 min kill time when the “Prey” was already broken and beaten down already. Wish they would have went more in depth during that time too
But there’s an audio log with Chief and Lasky calmly walking on the Infinity as if nothing happened right? And then the Banished attacked out of no where. Wouldn’t Lasky be on the bridge if they’re approaching Halo? Or was Lasky on the bridge already?
I dont think you listened to that section of audio logs in order because they were definitely on the bridge when the attack happened. You might be confused because of the whole firefight to the landing bay was very calm which makes sense. They are all professionals.
The audio logs give the sense that lasky was all over the ship, from being on the bridge to talk to Halsey and then walk around with Chief as he was about to go to Zeta to capture Cortana with the weapon
To me it felt really odd that the Banished could take down the infinity in 5 minutes. Whoever wrote the Banished in the new Halo game just went overboard. Like how tf can the Spirit of Fire take on the Banished and WIN?! Whilst the Infinity got completely stomped. Something doesn't really add up with the plot.
I agree. Humanity should be reaching slowly forerrunner level. Infinity fuzes shield and engine from forerunners. And now brutes can take it seriously down? pfff
The spirit was able to win due to the banished only having one ship at the ark and said ship not giving the spirit any form of attention outside of sending banshees. This fact also being combined with the forces of the spirit of fire making clever use of the ark’s systems thanks to Isabel’s knowledge allowed the spirit to take out a vessel way beyond what she should have
6:34 this guy talks a lot of shit about humanity's accomplishments for a beast who was literally adopted into a more advanced conglomerate and then later on also inherited and/or stole all of this advanced technology he's so proud of, but had nothing to do with creating. What a loser.
Two ideas: 1. Infinity was completely crippled in the attack, and like the Pillar of Autumn, crash landed on the ring under mostly autonomous control after the human crew abandoned ship. If so, the ship probably can be repaired, given the capabilities of Forerunner construction assets available on the ring. That is, assuming they can take control of the ring and the crash site from the Banished. 2. If Roland was still on board, he could have initiated a slipspace jump that ended up being a one way trip due to the damage sustained. Where the Infinity would have gone is unknown, but we know that there were few if any human crew aboard after the battle. Asking the Arbiter for assistance would probably be a safe bet, since Infinity repeatedly helped him and the Swords at Sangehelios. With 117 and a Halo ring involved, Thel would send some ships to help.
Aha... interesting. Regarding point nr 2. Maybe Infinity somehow slipped away to the Ark, meeting up with Spirit of Fire. Grisly veteran Captain James Cutter, Isabel, Red team would be heckuva surprised! Could dream... and dont forget Proffesor Ellen Sanders stuck on Halo Inst. 04b/ 9 by a guardian..
If you look just to the left of the downed guardian there is a sort of infinity like shape also damaged looking and crashed on the surface so maybe that's where it is
Oh I missed that…wait did the infinity go down? Remember, the infinity is like a human version of a Covenant Carrier, those things could transport troops, equipment, and even ships. The big shipwrecks on Zeta Halo’s surface remind me of the ship that launch from the infinity to engage the covenant fleet at requiem, after the major event in Halo 4.
This is definitely the most satisfying answer for me as to how the Infinity lost its shields. Only the guardians had the kind of firepower necessary to hit that ship hard enough, and the Banished as was said had all the reason to show up there searching for Cortana as well.
I think, if the Infinity truly fell, then it was absolutely stripped down to the last bolt for parts by the Banished. They would never waste the opportunity to take trophies from one of their greatest victories.
This theory has a lot of glaring flaws: 1) From the UNSC audio logs, we can hear Captain Laskey taking a stroll with Chief before the big mission. If the Infinity were being assaulted by a Guardian I’d imagine Laskey and Chief would be at battle stations like the rest of its crew and not taking a leisurely stroll. 2) If the Banished were there to attack Cortana on the ring, then why didn’t the Infinity detect them as well as the Guardian? As soon as they realized that they would have to fight a Guardian AND a slew of Banished ships, they should made a momentary retreat, because they probably were not aware of The Banished’s relationship with Cortana. For all they knew, The Banished could have momentarily submitted to Cortana and agreed to do her bidding for the moment. Making the threat much worse. 3) Why wouldn’t the Guardian just fire its Attenuation Pulse? It would have disabled The Infinity and most of the tech on there including the drop ships, like the Pelicans and such, removing their ability to fight AND run. Not to mention the Guardian should’ve detected The Banished ships nearby as well since they would’ve been close enough to ambush the Infinity in this hypothetical scenario, making it even more sensible to activate its Attenuation Pulse which would’ve disabled the Infinity AND all of the nearby Banished ships as well.
I still don't believe she went down fully. Roland possibly had her jump away as the crew evacuated. She was designed initially to be *the* lifeboat, after all.
@@AAhmou I knew that he evacuated, it's why I want to know what happened to him afterwards. Like I said in my original post, I have more questions than answers.
@@jjdg88 that’s kinda the point. They’re going to be updating this and releasing continued story over the next 10 years. Halo infinite isn’t over. we just played act 1
@@Vadnarr Yeah... I know, doesn't stop me from just thinking about it and wanting the answers though. So yeah, it's doing exactly what they wanted it to do. I'm going to have this itch in the back of my mind until they answer these questions with the updates and continuations.
It possible and a sound theory although the timing is off. Remember the UNSC and the Weapon were already on Halo before the attack. So just needs to do a slight rearrangement of the time and I think it works. Or am I misremembering.
@@AAhmou I really hope Abaddon becomes the new leader of the Created. He is a Precursor AI found inside the Domain, and he worships the Mantle of Responsibility harder than the Didact. Anything's better than the cringe Warden..
Infinity presumably crash landed (just like the unsc pillar of autumn from halo:ce) on zeta Halo while the surviving frigates almost all of them got obliterated by the banished with only few of them(maybe two based on the multiplayer maps) survived.
I hope infinity is hiding and a distress message has only just reached the spirit of fire and it is trying to use the ark to get back by using something like the slip space portals. And then the Eternity arrives as well. That would be a cool ending. Though I would not really want to wait 10 years to see it with the updates we’re getting.
Why does everyone keep hyping up the UNSC Eternity? That ship was never built, had its few completed components cannabalized to repair the Infinity, and now Earth is under Hostile AI control. There is little-to-no chance the UNSC Eternity is gonna be built any time soon...and holy hell, a distress signal to the Spirit of Fire!? I seriously doubt human signals could reach OUTSIDE THE GALAXY to a ship everyone thinks died!
@@alphacraig4784 No its not. They are outside the Milky Way Galaxy and they never could contact the UNSC because Anders Installation 09 was intercepted by a Guardian.
Another option would be during operations down on the ring, cloaked members of the Banished managed to sneak on board some of the UNSC drop ships, similar to what Jega did (don't want to spoil, but you know the scene). Or they got onboard with a cloaked Phantom similar to the one that follows you during the campaign. This team could then have disabled the shields, sensors, and even weapons systems similar to what Jul 'Mdama's forces and the Prometheans did in H4 Spartan Ops. All of this could explain why there doesn't seem to be an answer for how it happened yet, because no one on the Infinity knew how
Been playing through Halo Infinite and it's a great game (though sad Coop can't out) and loving the story. But to be honest I simply can't make the leap of logic or how the infinity and her escort fleet got annihilated. As I have several problems 1) UNSC Escorts that we're in her vanguard scouting ahead have a sensor range of 10 light minutes. Given that Infinity was made with the very best and experimental tech id assume it would be even better than her scores by a slight degree. So how did these 4 ships sneak up on her? As they arnt small as we have seen. So maybe they did 4 decently precise jumps and rammed the ship or cloaked? I don't think it was a jump as from an audio log we hear the infinity got boarded not even 15 seconds after the first ram with a significant amount of banished troops. An I doubt a stealth ship could sneak up on the Infinity. 2) How does 1 ship potentially have enough firepower to drop the infinite shields in less than 10 seconds? 3) Why does the Infinity keep easily getting overrun by borders?
Frankly I was just looking for a vid or something to discuss this. Not only sensor range but you figure the Infinity has a recon picket of not only fighters but also frigates and corvettes. In fact in the audio files found we hear that there are. FFG-525 for one. This is A. B, the Infinity herself carries something like 5000 marines, 800 Army soldiers, 800 ODST, and who knows how many S-IV teams. That’s not even including S-II teams, ONI SF, Air Force, or Swords of Sanghelios personnel. My point being, even if the banished managed to board the Infinity there is just no plausible way they would be able to flood the ship with enough troops to overwhelm a force like that. We should keep in mind there is also at minimum one smart AI who would be tracking threats, directing fireteams, and utilizing shipboard defenses and bulkheads to defend and obstruct the boarders. I mean one of the missions of the IBG is force projection, hence why it alone carries such a huge combined force. This not even taking into account the support ships and escorts with the Infinity. Not including the 10 Stalwart frigates it carries internally. Meanwhile the Banished are nowhere as big as or well equipped as the Covenant were. Yet they can bypass the Infinity’s advanced shields like they’re nothing? Did 343 forget the Infinity also carries 10 Strident Class heavy frigates? Hundreds of Broadsword and Longsword fighters and bombers which surely would have been on patrol. This on top of her escort of other frigates? I list this again because god damn. Unless you have an overwhelming force, new technology and a prayer then it’s just absurd. This isn’t the UNSCs first time out either. They knew about the Banished. They’re dealing with Cortana who had been on a rampage. This battle group would have been on high alert and running operations as such. Again, it’s just so ridiculous to me that the Banished can just waltz right in and take over as if the only people guarding the ship are a pair of cardboard cutouts of Marines. We’re led to believe this was a small and precise attack on the Infinity Battle Group, no? So even more so that there is just no plausible way they could have the force to complete that objective. Yeah Atriox is tough but he’s not invincible and he’s also not a warship. Even boarding the Infinity with a group of his best men it’s just lunacy to believe he’d be able to overcome a force of the ship’s regular forces. Not to mention special forces, S-IVs, S-IIs, and Elites. If you don’t believe that’s lunacy then why is the UNSC frightened and going after Cortana? If Atriox can do all that then he’s a far bigger threat and they should be having capital ships vs Atriox floating in space. Him just fist fighting these giant warships and winning. It’s just too unbelievable a scenario and personally I think 343 really dropped the ball on this part of the writing. I will say I haven’t completed the main campaign yet. Close to it I think, I’ve been collecting all the audio files and such. So maybe I’m missing a large part but so far this is what I’ve seen and heard and frankly I hope I’m wrong and that this will make a lot more sense in the end.
Completely agree, and it seems daft how in the video he talks about infinity fighting the guardian being the reason the shields are down but if the shields were downed would they not have already launched the fleet and still had a perimeter around the infinity? Which like you say would be actively scanning? Even if they successfully downed the guardian, that's not to say there wouldn't be other forerunner forces nearby or even potentially another guardian ready to drop in so it makes no sense for them to drop their guard at all until bases are established If the infinity detected those banished ships on scanners, it could have sniped them with its Mac's before they could get close And as for being boarded, infinity had a crew of over 17,000 Over 7100 being troops and an unknown amount of Spartans but I imagine there would have been several Spartan company on board, wether the rest of blue team or Osiris was there I don't know but the banished don't know the layout inside so for them to so quickly over run the infinity with a full compliment of marines, odsts, unsc marines, Spartan companies and other specials with home field advantage seems like bs to me Idk if there would be any automated defence inside either, but one of the greatest advantages I could see the personnel having, is they all have a HUD that receives data from the ship, as well as it's sensors and cameras etc, so could they literally not be able to see using their HUD what is about to come around a corner in advance?
Another idea that i personally had is, that Lasky said in the Audiologs that he didnt like it that they were like sitting ducks. So maybe they had their shields down and waited for Cortana to be baited in with their mere presence, so the Chief could plant the Weapon like a bomb with a good distraction. So in that way to defeat one enemy, they let themselves open to another enemy, which they had no idea who was coming, which would be even more irony.
So what i think happened. The infinity went to the ring expecting no banished (as the audio logs suggest), so their shields were not up as the mission was to plant the weapon, lure the cortana and bring her back for deletion. So when they got surprised attack, from the start cutscene ànd audio logs say, the banish smash 6 ships into the infinity. This would do a lot of damage on their own. But then they sent attriox on who was looking for something (hinted towards throughout the game) so he killed everyone, or everyone who couldn't escape. So this is what put the infinity down. Also cortana didn't activate the ring, she controlled it, but when atriox came and cortana supposedly killing herself and atriox would have put down the gaurdian as they would have no controller. Or cortana put them down when she was realizing what she did. Ps: if this vid was made before the game was out, then cool good theory, but with the new information then this theory does not hold up Ps 2: Because of constant slip space jumps and less crew (having to get unqualified civilians as seen from the pilot) some systems such as shields would be down. Also they would have just been at reach getting Halsey cloned brains to make the weapon and may have had conflict there which would put down the shields. So when they get to the ring, not knowing the banished is there, they would have shields down and reasources repairing the ship. The escort fleet may have been left behind to handle the fight on reach or already got destroyed by the banished before the infinity got there and couldn't send a message
@@AAhmou I would argue that since the Infinity was the last bastion of a free humanity they've been jumping from system to system trying to keep ahead of Cortana and her Guardians. Doing their best to resist the Created's rule. Because of this frequent fighting and running I would purpose that the Infinity's crew size kept dwindling until by the time they arrived at Zeta Halo the ship was down to what was effectively a skeleton crew, and many of the ship's critical systems were being handled by Civilian contractors (Like the Pilot) who the Infinity picked up from places they'd resupply from. It would make sense that either the fatigue from the constant fighting caused the crew to get sloppy and make mistakes, Or during a resupply a spy/agent/Banished sympathizer was placed aboard the Infinity and took down it's defenses before the Banished's attack.
@@mrhank016 yes they were when humanity was fine, but due to frequeny slip space jumps away from cortana, going to reach, right before the ring, and defending there would have decaying down the infinity and its crew. So it wouldn't have shields
Did it fall though? The UNSC Infinity has/had a crew of 7+ thousand. That cutscene said under 2 thousand of that crew compliment are dead. Also, you do not see the wreckage of the Infinity in game. We only see the wreckage of frigates.
It's possible Infinity has a reinforced prow for ramming maneuvers and increased shield strength to the fore, owing to Captain Keyes' 'Loop'. However, the Brutes turned the tactic on them and dropped the shields, then rammed the side of the ship with the new entrants to the Naval battle. Keeping a reserve force even in Naval battles makes great sense, and with the Covenant's capability of mid-system jumps, it wouldn't be unheard of for them to rapidly deploy new vessels with a mid-system jump just to catch the Infinity off-guard. This also implies that the Brutes somehow became navally skilled, though, and I don't know if even Atriox is *that* smart.
The simple explanation is that 343 wanted to abandon the Created story line as quickly as possible, after that disaster of a story of HALO 5. So they invented the Banished and to make them seem like a credible threat, had them wipe out the Infinity. So once again humanity is on the back foot like they were in the Bungie trilogy.
One thing that bugs me is how the brutes were able to build a fleet in such a short time. Before the covenant civil war the brutes were completely dependent on the convening for technology. The brutes weren’t exactly the engineers of the covenant. So this brute fleet feels like a plot hole.
Not really seeing how the banished have been active for quite sometime, working with mercenary groups and such. I do believe they only had one capital ship. But that’s all the Info from halo wars
The banished were a thing before the covenant civil war. They basically invited anyone who disliked the covenant into their ranks while stealing from the covenant.
I can understand Atriox beating red team they were fresh outta cryosleep, completely unprepared and in extremely outdated armor without shields, but chief in remade 2gen Mk.V b (equal to Mk.IIV ) getting smacked around like a toy and not even phasing Atriox with that 3 piece is just annoying plot armor.
This is the best theory I've heard about it I was wondering how the Infiniti was taken down but I didn't know there was a guardian. Your theory makes perfect sense, fits like a glove
The real question is how did Cortana get cornered by Atriox? So cornered that she could not slip space her fleet of Guardians to destroy the Banished. Why couldnt a guardian EMP the ring or a 2nd guardian slip space in after the 1st was was destroyed to deal with Atriox? We've seen a fleet of guardians in halo wars 5 and she also summoned a small group to destroy Atriox's world. But she only had 1 guardian to protect her and protect a halo ring? Come on now....
Bit late but the theory I have is that while Cortanas guardian was dealing with the infinity ( she wouldn't outright destory it like other shops because the chief was on it) a squad was sent by Lasky who had a lock down key so she couldn't go anywhere kind of like being disconnected from the internet therfore she lost control of the guardian and the infinity destroyed it but didn't have time to get ready to go against the banished especially with some of their crew on the ring
i personally think that it escaped at the last moment, barely clinging on to life, because of most people only saying that its missing, and that we never see the body, its not KIA yet.
Well the banished didn’t really pay the spirit any real attention, if they did the banished vessel would be opening fire on the spirit and not just send in banshees. So for the spirit she was heavily underestimated in the effectiveness and creativity of her crew by the banished
This way of resetting the power dynamic is really... Lazy. I fucking hate how they throw away established lores to build up stakes for the new enemy faction.
I wouldnt have an issue with this happening as long as it was done the right way, it was getting a little stale seeing the UNSC shitting all over every single threat espetialy after all we have left is earth and a handful of colonies. What they suceeded in was making the Infinity and all the spartan 4's an absolute joke, what was the point writing them in and diluting the mythic status of the spartans just to kill them all off even easier then common marines?
@@Ghastly_Grinner I'm getting a bit sick of 343 throwing cheif around like a ragdoll. Spartan 2's are ungodly strong, in game and lore they are capable of punching through solid concrete and tank armour. That uppercut should have crushed Atriox's jaw and skull, but leaves no mark and dosent draw any blood (to keep the T rating probably). The fight just felt very weak and unimpactful to me. I have no problem with Atriox beating cheif, but make it close, have them damn near kill each other, both of them mauled and bloodied before Atriox gets the advantage at the end.
@@chromicm6686 Well in ...First strike I do belief an unarmored (Atriox is wearing power armor) Brute almost kills 117 with his bare hands the book describes the brute as having muscles like steel the brute almost strangles 117 in hand to hand combat a brute is stronger than a spartan
The Infinity was on the Run for 2 years, I think the ship's shields were down to save power and hide it's signal easier as it headed to Zeta Halo as the UNSC knew Cortana was there but was ambushed by the Banished. There are no Audio logs on the Infinity about a Guardian attack before the ambush
A Guardian softening them up makes sense actually. Also with that fight, Chief was distracted bad in the fight, he was so focused to find Cortana again. You could see how he prioritized getting to her chip over focusing on Atriox. He had never faced someone like that before, judging him at first like a regular Brute albeit with power armor. Atriox let Chief use none of his usual strategies and gain distance, likely waiting until he had run out of ammo or had a smaller gun to approach. It was the equivalent of a Grunt with a plasma pistol fighting a human and not realizing they were a Spartan, all while distracted by the desire to see someone they cared about very much. I'd love the chance to talk more about this lore point too honestly.
I saw a banished dreadnaught breakdown that was explaining that the front is designed for ramming and has essentially a giant gravity hammer build into it
There are still to many missing variables for an accurate recreation of events. And a couple plot holes to speak of already is all this new technology from the UNSC. Technologically the UNSC should not have had the means to create new warships (the new frigates we see) nor should the Banished have had the means to create warships. The Banished were entirely reliant upon Covenant ships and to suddenly have ships to rival the Infinity doesn't fit. The Guardians entirely neutralized Earth and likely any shipyards for the UNSC, and it is safe to assume the same happened to the Covenant remnants and Banished. I can see smaller ground tech being created on board the Infinity like the Gen3 armor for Spartans, but not new warships... All this was a tangent leading into the fight analysis. The Infinity appeared dead in the water during that fight and it was quite disappointing for me for them to hype up the ship so much only to off it in the opening scene of Infinite. Its like killing a main character just for shock value even if it has no place.
@@darthrevan704 Fuck no. First Spartan IV are not even real Spartans. Second Lasky is just a Wish version of Captain Keyes. Bury that garbage once and for all.
@@requiemagent3014 spartan IVs are real spartans they actually make the most sense because they are taken from the active service instead of kidnapped when they are children spartanIIs or orphans made by the covenant spartan IIIs while spartan I soldiers like sgt Johnson were taken form the service and now the spartan IVs went back to the roots of the program and made effective spartans fireteam crimson are spartan IVs and they won the requiem campaign spartan IVs are true spartans just like every other spartan generation created for the needs of there time spartans I were and experimental program to make super soldiers the spartanII program used more augmentations and had the mjolnir powered armor many dies from the augmentation but those that survived became very efficient soldiers spartanIII were meant to be expedable spartans sent on suicide missions to take out key targets and some were pulled from the ranks to make special units like noble team and spartan IVs are post war spartans where humanity had plenty of new recruits and could produce them in far greater numbers than before so they are spartans just like the other generations and just as capable
@@darthrevan704 So just let me get this straight. Spartan II. Literally hand picked children from 800 human colonies because they were genetically superior specimen. Highly trained soldiers that only know combat, victory and duty. Highly augmentated with the best armor humanity can make. Literal demi gods. Spartan IV. Random dudes that don't get nearly as an extensive combat training. Genetic trash because so little humans are left now. Augmentations that a vastly inferior what the prior Spartan generations have gotten. Just their armor is better due to improvements in technology. So literal demi gods versus ODST randoms in power armor. Yup those two are clearly on the same level. Buddy your brain is absolutely fried. Seek help.
On a separate note about the endless that i found in the audio logs, I think The Harbinger is possibly in league with the flood. In the audio log where she is interrogating a marine she interrupted him saying: "I shall talk and you shall listen." Thats a phrase we all know and i think its a bit too specific to be a coincidence.
God your openings are so awesome! It grabs us and pulls you in. It tells you what you need to know while also going over what the video will talk about. It's just amazingly done. And then that intro music hits. I still have a whole video to watch. My favorite Halo channel. So, do you think we'll ever find out what happened?
UNSC was deployed before Banished arrived and deployed Weapon. He then returned to Infinity and was debriefed with Lasky when Banished attacked. Ring was complete back then and Weapon was infiltrating and trying to trap Cortana. Cortana realized what was going on and made her own plans. Banished then arrived (using Forerunner Slipspace crystal) and messed up UNSC plans. Banished most likely jumped on top of Infinity location and rammed it after just exiting from Slipspace. Cortana met with Atriox and while jumping to an unknown location destroyed part of Zeta Halo, setting her plan into motion.
I hope this is right bc the way 343 has made infinity out to be it just wouldnt make sense to get taken down by 3 less advanced ships than even what the covenant had with its shields up. Hopefully they put out a book or comic to detail what happened before if we dont find out in future dlc
The wreckage can be seen in the background of Zeta Halo. If you look at the guardian and look a little to the right, there is a long dark downed ship that only fits the style of humans. You can also see it at 10:04 on the left side of the screen. My guess is that while the banished most assuredly destroyed the Infinity, they didn’t shatter it into a zillion pieces and the main shell of the ship’s carcass crashed onto the ring in the location we see it in the backdrop. My hopes is that 343 deliberately left the Infinity’s ruins there to tease us for a future campaign where we go to the wreckage to try and do/find something. Maybe a season II for Spartan Ops?
343 pooved time after time by now, that they don't try to kepp things physically accurate. I don't think that this is what happened in the canon, but I like this explaination a lot. I think in the canon, the banished just have some unexplainable amps because antagonist powers and power cliffing, it was just there to show how much stronger they are than the covenant. It's basically the same with the fight Sequence of Chief and Atriox, Chief is still basically a 1000lb Iron Man, with unbelievably amped strength and a mjolnir armor that powers him even more and yeah... appearently he can land a clean chin hook on Atriox' bare skin, not even armor and he just shrugs it off... If his bones were made of anything remotely organic, his jaw would be crushed after that.
Just so you know, Jiralhanae are known to be very, very, VERY durable given their batshit herculean bare strength. There's been a few counts of them surviving entire AR magazines and full on point blank shotgun shells they keep going strong. Besides, you really think Atriox of all brutes is gonna go down that easily?
@@FrostbiteDigital yeah i know, but again, that's just plot armor and makes no sense. Going on with a couple of bullets in you is not that insane of a feat, even humans in real life can keep going with bullets in them as long as no vital organ, bone or crucial muscle is directly hit by the bullet(s). It's literally just physics, it's not like Brutes' bones are made of steel or something, they are still bones + The Jaw bone is basically unprotected by tissue and that holds true for the Brutes as well (that's why chin hooks hurt so bad). MC is easily twice as strong as a human, mjolnir like quadruples that as far as I know and he is 5-6x as massive as a human, that includes his fist, we're talking about a punch that is like 8x as powerful as a human's punch and it's a more or less direct metal to bone collision, that's an incredibly dense area of applied force, even denser than a normal punch + The metal of MC's armour doesn't deform that easily, that means even more if the force is applied directly into the target. I mean it's not impossible to keep going with s broken jaw, but THAT JAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE BROKEN and Atriox should't be able to really talk after that confrontation. xD
@@FrostbiteDigital brutes have been taken down by Spartans in hand to hand combat multiple times. This is the first time we’ve ever seen ANY brute so easily beat a Spartan
@@ch33zyburrito36 Not really. We've seen Atriox completely own Red Team. There was also that moment in First Strike of some random unarmoured brute completely overwhelmed Chief and chocking him to the point where Chief literally was on the brink of passing out. And he was in full armour.
The Banished got the drop on them, they did not defeat Infinity through technological might but through tactics which is something Atriox is well known for 🤨
I think it is also notable that the Infinity effectively had a skeleton crew. The ship was meant to be crewed by a little over 17,000 people, but chief checking the pelican for survivors revealed it was only crewed by just over 7000. It also seems not even all of the crew was meant to be on the infinity- the pilot mentioned he was a volunteer engineer
1000% it crash landed on the ring somewhere so with that in mind there a couple options going forward. My predictions so far are we will eventually retake it from banished forces who have taken it as a base of operations, we will have to blow it up like we did the pillar of autumn or lastly and my favorite, we repopulate it with all of the cylixs races after an evacuation of everybody on the ring, no reason to let those folks die
It holds water, but knowing 343 they're going to make the Banished out to be super uber capeable badguys who killed the infinity on their own to make some false sense of urgency and awe that is totally unearned.
@@Jackal9405 The fact that the Sentinels literally rammed into Atriox's ship always amused me. They have lasers. Why not use that instead of barreling into the ship and breaking themselves? also im wondering why Cortana didnt use the Sentinels in Installation 07 to do the same to the Banished ships...
@@sireromen5364 Atriox has earned his rep as a baddie, I don't think the BANISHED have earned the utterly destructive force that would be needed to obliterate the infinity, which is the route I think 343 will go.
Literally this is the same discussion me and my friend had today and everything was very close to the same as what we thought!!! Great minds truly think alike. I believe Infinity is still around.
From the audio logs it is clear that the Cole protocol was not followed since what happened to the ships AI Roland since chief, lasky or some other Spartan team would have been in charge of that
@@spacemichael1177 never mind I misunderstood the cutscenes lol. Someone said maybe they boarded to take down shields and that the guardian was taken down a while before the banished attacked (which definitely would've alerted the banished to their presence)
Their was a audio log that talked about the guardian emping after the infinity fell. A solider said that it had leveled the playing field by emping the anti air turrets.
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So did those 4 dreadnoughts just slowly tiptoe up to the infinity in big fake shrubs while the Infinity wasn't looking? Because space is huge, and those dreadnought were not small, so the fact they rammed the Inifity before they even noticed is completely ridiculous
@@celuler22 the halo was shattered after the attack, it is clearly intact at the begining of the cinematic as an establishing shot. This was just lazy writing, preity much a given with 343.
@@chromicm6686 both Bungie and 343 have stumbled in writing. They should consult with loremaster fans if they start to slip. I guess we will get the whole picture of how it all went down later. Wish 343 had more say, intel regarding the whole kabang in space. Irks me as much as the knee bending for whiners demandin no more Arbiter for Halo 3 back after Halo 2. Result? Arbiter got delegated to minor beta character with few lines. I dont want the Infinitys crew go through the same, or Spirit of Fires crew for that matter ( SoF is my fav ).
@@odinulveson9101 I have to disagree with the Arbiter, he got some great lines and scenes in H3, he's a chad character. what realy pissed me off is how little he was in H5 and that they never bothered to show his and cheifs reunion. A lot of the problems are with the storytelling itself, the contrast in the writing of the H3 elite vs brute fleet battle and of the Infinity vs bannished is astounding. H3 shows the forces arrive, clearly shows and states the disposition and arrangement of the forces, and that one significantly outnumbers the other. It makes it clear that this a tough but winnable battle by the elites confidence, and ends after an extended period of time. We know that truth's ship fled and didnt take part in the battle, the brute fleet is ruined, the dawn lands on the arc, and most of the elite force is still intact. Infinite however throws us right into the middle of the battle, it is not explained how the forces met, the number or arrangement of the ships, or the length of the battle, but shows the infinity being pummled and boarded. After cheif is thrown overboard, no clear information is given other than that the ship is "lost" with all hands, we dont know if was destroyed, crashed or captured, how many crew survived, or how many losses the bannished took in the engagement.
I was wondering what the thing I was looking at was in the map. Wayyyy off in the skybox, on some of the other chunks of Zeta is what looks like a crashed High Charity, its very spiky. There is just a mass of spikes, I assume that’s the guardian
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought infinity had a sister ship of equal size and power. Assuming she's hiding and her sister ship hasn't been found (if one exists), they could either use Inifinity to finish the sister shop oooorrr the sister ship to restore Infinity to combat readiness. Again, I could be wrong.
It was in dry dock and construction halted to pull modules to refit infinity, then the guardians emp earth so shes eother floating in orbit or reentered by now and burnt up.
The opening would've been better if Chief escaped Infinity and Atroix with a quick getaway. Cause him getting thrown off was the stupidest thing Atroix did. Hate that monologuing and crap..go for the kill, but let our protagonist find their own way out fleeing the battle as a loss. And the Infinity being crushed in 4 minutes? Yeah, too much is missing
We already know Atriox has a history of wanting to indirectly kill off Spartans after brutalizing them. I almost feel like Atriox almost wanted Chief to have a chance to survive. He would have killed him with that gravity hammer but MC had to throw a few good punches.
@@UnifiedEntity To be fair, throwing him out the hangar and into space did seem like a good idea at the time. I mean how was Atriox supposed to know that Chief's armour could hold 6 MONTHS of air (which is complete lunacy if you ask me lol) while being within the vacuum of space? Now that's a mystery haha
I think the fact there was already a pitched battle going on both aboard and around the Infinity as they were being rammed sets a timeline. The Dreadnought you see in the video might be one of the 3 that arrived later and caught them by surprise. It could be that the Banished had sacrificed one ship to get Atriox and his guard aboard to disable the shields, allowing the latter ships to ram and scuttle the Infinity.
I guess they ignored the fact that the Infinity had some insanely powerful forerunner shields and somehow much smaller ships rammed and destroyed the infinity with little effort?
It fell because Master Beef ate too many hamburgers. Don’t do a lore on that because it wouldn’t be adding any weight to the ship if he’s already eating what’s on there.
*THEORY:* The infinity crashed elsewhere on the ring and we'll have to find, defend, and repair it in a future DLC, all whilst rebuilding the UNSC via FOBs. Hell, we could even have a central hub acting as a sort of Alpha base for the UNSC where Adjundant Resolution deploys Zeta Halo's sentinel's to aid us. The Weapon already stole back Despondent Pyre's brain from the Harbinger, meaning she can be revived.
The infinitys power systems were still operable, that means the reactor was still online and her artificial gravity was still receiving power. A fight with a guardian wouldn't affect just a few systems and it is naive to believe that the designers had all the power systems connected on the same rails. Her weapons system would be segmented as well. Her 10 Onager dorsal Macs and 85 dorsal anti air/space heavies should've been firing all out. 350 archer missile pods, 250 rapier missile pods. 500 howler missile pods, 190 guided missile pods should've been launching all that they had left. These systems don't need human attendance. Her 830 point defense 72 mm guns should've been hammering everything. To state that sensors, shields and weapons were taken out but nothing else? Is really really bad writing.
Try as I may to avoid spoilers for Halo Infinite, my favorite RUclips content creator puts a pretty decent spoiler in the title to one of his video's. Which of course I get a notification for on my phone. Thanks, mate... lol
@@Spartan-sz7km how exactly do you figure that? I've avoided all social media because I know my wife ( she doesn't know that I know ) is getting me Infinite and am Xbox Series X for Christmas. This was spoiled by a notification from RUclips. I didn't seek it out.
The idea seem plausible but I would like to put a twist on it, the banish ships were temporarily disable by the guardian and then the infinity arrive they fought and won the battle and celebrate. The banish we're able to get a ship online and seeing that the infinity was weaken, attacked causing the crew to scramble to see what is attacking them and best strategy but by the time they engage the ship the other ships came back and strike them bringing it down. A personal reason the ship and ring disappear is the infinity drive was hit causing a black hole like slip space dragging everything near it to a new location which is why (I got this vibe not sure) the banish were in fighting some what with the leader at the time wanting to have "fun" with master chief instead of figuring out where they were
The fact cortana and infinity were off screened is absolutely unforgivable. I'm a lifelong halo fan and this almost makes me wanna just walk away from the series. These things shouldn't be left to interpretation.
Pump the breaks on writing the game off, this isn't the end of the Campaign, Campaign DLC's are coming out which could shed light on everything, this halo game is different compared to the others, they're sorta following the same style as Destiny, releasing the main Campaign then DLC's to expand.
I prefer my theory that cortana was already theee with the guardian, as soon as infinity warped in, thr guardian fired an EMP pulse, shutting down the infinity Lasky says "i dont care what it takes, engines, lights, even shields! Just get them MAC guns operational!" In ehich the officer intentionally prioritised turning the guns back online opposed to the shields As soon as the guns were back up, they shot and destroyed the guardian, immedietly following lasky saying "get everything back online ASAP!" In which, naturally, shields would have been prioritised But before they could re-engage the shields the banished showed up and started to shred the infinity Lasky, knowing this is a defeat, bellowed out "ROLAND! i dont care what it takes, the MILISECOND we get the shields back up, get us out of here!"
While the theory does make some sense, a bit of the context surrounding the events preceding Infinite is missing. It's stated in the game that Cortana wasn't on that ring, in fact the ring we saw previously in Halo 5 was Installation 09/04C from Halo Wars 2. Installation 07/Zeta Halo wasn't touched by Cortana. Or at the very least, she wasn't there for some time. She might've been there previously, as hinted at during some of the games story beats where she talks with the installations monitor. But what really led to Infinite's events was the Infinity delivering The Weapon to Zeta Halo, planting her there as a lure. She possessed a copy of the activation index, or fragments of it, as well as having a similar signal to Cortana due to their shared origins. This caught Cortana and the Created's attention and Cortana personally went to Zeta Halo to confront Weapon. It was here that Weapon's trap closed shut on Cortana. The Guardian was likely Cortana's personal one, and without Cortana to control it, it either moved on its own or crashed down onto Zeta Halo. Or perhaps a third possibility, there was more than one AI aboard, so when Cortana was locked down the other took control. This scenario or the first one with it moving autonomously would work with this theory. The Infinity would need to leave Zeta Halo's area before Cortana arrived, otherwise her attention would be focused on it instead. When they received the signal from Weapon that Cortana had been captured, Infinity jumped into Slipspace. Something to keep in mind is that in the book Shadows of Reach, the Infinity was extremely careful not to draw the Created's attention. Not only because they needed time, but because, and this is a big point, the Infinity CAN'T fight the Guardians. Even its four Super MAC's wouldn't take out a Guardian. It only poked a hole in the Mantle's Approach, barely an inconvenience. Granted, it was probably the EMP they feared most, but it's a reason they would never engage a Guardian head on. It's actually implied in the game that the Banished ambushed the Infinity IMMEDIATELY after it exited Slipspace. There would likely be signs of a Slipspace rupture, especially one that big, and the Banished knew it would be coming. So they wanted around the area it was likely to exit at. It's also possible that shields were down while in transit, either because they needed to be(Not likely) or simply because they expected zero resistance so why have them up? The most likely answer of course is just that, for plot reasons, they were down. No real explanation. They needed to be down so that the Banished could ambush the ship and take it out fast. When you really think about it, it wasn't a very good plan. If it's shields had been up, as you would expect them to be, the ships probably would've bounced off of each other at worst given the Dreadnoughts size. The Covenant Remnant vessel was tiny with far weaker shields, so no wonder the shields flickered, broke, and the ship was obliterated. But the Dreadnoughts are large enough that that wouldn't happen, especially with them doing the ramming. But the Infinity's shields are Forerunner strength, so they wouldn't break under the pressure from the Dreadnoughts. So if the Infinity's shields had been up, Escharum's plan would've been a wash. He basically got lucky, but then bragged about it.
There’s a simpler answer that doesn’t involve the Guardian: the Banished _did_ actually have the firepower to drop the Infinity’s shields, just not in the way you think. Infinite introduces us to Jiralhanae Shock weaponry, technology that is designed to *disable shields and vehicles.* Also, in Halo: Envoy, it’s mentioned that Brutes enjoy overloading their ships with armor plating and simply charging at enemy vessels. So, the Banished likely fitted their vessels with ship-sized Shock Rifles, began the battle by disabling the Infinity’s shields at range, then slammed straight into it as a final insult. As for the Infinity’s fate? Well, the last person we actually see aboard the Infinity is Atriox, and the last person we see in the game 6 months later is a not-dead Atriox. I assume that the two events are related.
Lets be honest, UNSC Infinity fell because fans didnt like the Infinity in general, and although quite a few people like the ship now, their opinions didnt matter. 343 listens to the loudest voices, so they curbstomped the Infinity (and possibly the entire Created) in the most quickest, and anticlimactic way possible. There is still possibly a way to salvage this, though. What if in a future Halo Infinite Campaign, we find the crash-site of the Infiity, and instead of blowing it up for the sake of nostalgically-mimicking Halo CE (which is a game I like) we use a Forerunner Upgrade-Seed to repair the Infinity?
Nah Halo 4 and 5 still suck major balls. So they removed the infinity with all the trash character of those two games. Thank God. Now we can finally move on with this franchise. Here is your dose of reality.
Sad but true about the subject of louder opinions being what is often heeded and not those more thought out. I do hope we get DLC expanding on the fate of the ship and how to repair it.
Infinity wasn't hated, people just thought it was too overpowered to keep around for a "humanity on the backfoot again" storyline. Plus of you remember the Halo 5 teasers had the Infinity crippled over a planet that Locke and Chief fought on, so the ship was originally slated to be canned before the disaster we got was made.
Ok I am sorry for saying this but I just love the sound the Master Chief makes as Atriox is swing him around like a rag doll. And the reason why is because you can hear just how heavy the armor the master chief is wearing.
I figured they concentrate shields to the front when they ram. Infinity took the full hit because their shields were taxed by being attacked from all sides.
The near-instant fall of the Infinity and the one-sided beatdown of Chief, at least to me, just seems a bit silly and plot-armor-ish for the Banished, no matter how the situation is. Luckily though, the UNSC Eternity is (probably) more or less finished, unless ofcourse it's been retconned.
As incredible as that first cutscene is, it is slightly annoying to me that yet again we are teased with a split second of glorious halo space combat. Why can’t we just have a full in space battle scene??????? 😫
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yeah they could manage a decent cutscene at least. it wouldn't work well gameplay wise imo unless you were running maybe a point defense gun or escort fighter, halo space battles are usually centered on capital ship volleys over small one man craft like say a star wars battle
Its short for a reason. Leaves the the rest to your imagination to run wild. Like Halo CE back in the day. The unknown is a good thing when done right.
Download sins of a solar empire and subsequently the mod sins of the prophets. Great halo space combat.
*Exactly!* neat fan mods like SOTP and Operation Homefront aren't enough, we need actual official and canonically accurate space combat scenes to demonstrate how Halo naval combat (when ships are in visible distance) are like.
Honestly, it would be cool to have a Spartan Ops II in this game, where our goal would be to locate the Infinity and the Chief, while being hunted by the Banished, and more precisely, Jaeger.
I really like that thought, it's an amazing way to bring in our Multiplayer spartan into the story and have a go at a proper spartan ops with the new land and story that we have now with finding what happened.
Spartan ops failed other wise it would’ve been in halo 5 & it’s very unlikely for 343 to bring it back after it failed. The infinity was destroyed meaning it’s gone for good so there’s no finding it lol, it’s most likely just scraps of metal floating in space. Tbh I wouldn’t mind if they brought spartan ops back but they won’t unfortunately.
It'll be expansions, but ops would be cool
@rock on It would be the most halo thing if they left that shit out. Halo 1,2 & 3 never had it so i don’t know what you mean it would be the most halo thing 343 just messed up halo, the only reason halo infinite was an alright game was because some people that used to work for bungie helped with the game.
That could be sooo cool!
There are some inconsistencies with the theory:-
If Infinity just arrived, smashed a Guardian and was immediately ambushed by the Banished then how did the Weapon and Chief get to the surface? In the Logs, it is also mentioned that Lasky dispatched "an escort Fleet" consisting of 6 Frigates (can't remember the classification). I don't think that they had enough time to do all these if the Banished immediately hunted them.
I was thinking the same. I also get the impression that the FOBs would have been deployed at the same time though I might be wrong.
Infinity could have been at Zeta halo for some time, then the Guardian shows up, drops the shield sand infinity fights back to destroy it. But then, moments later the banished fleet that was chasing the guardian attacks infinity instead. Hell maybe Cortana even deliberately lured the banished into a fight with the infinity.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 That doesn't make sense. Cortana was already there in the Coservatory with Despondent Pyre when Infinity arrived. Why would she let Infinity get strongholds on ground, and let UNSC prepare for the battle?
@@Determ1nat1on well, the FOB´s and other bases could have been there from before, since its been known that the UNSC had set up in Zeta Halo when they found it, breaking a treaty with the swords of shangeilos in the process
@@masoclevine836 okay that's a good guess
Assuming Roland hasn't been deleted by 2560 as well as Infinity still having personnel on board, they might have had no option but to attempt a slipspace jump to a random location. We can assume Infinity went off grid due to the damage. We can also get crazier with theories and say that she could have jumped to the Ark out of pure coincidence; that could be a way to bring in the characters from HW to the FPS games. Honestly anything can be put on the table. But to think Infinity is completely destroyed, considering all we've seen this past decade, is just outlandish to me.
I mean Lasky did abandon ship and so did everyone else plus they were working with a skeleton crew way and thousands of them are dead
@@mariobadia4553 we don't know if everyone truly did abandon ship. Lasky doesn't have to be present for the Infinity to move around.
Isn't Roland a "dumb" AI? Genuinely asking. I don't respect the Halo 4 and 5 garbage 343 has made.
@@requiemagent3014 No he's a Smart A.Is
@@requiemagent3014 He's a smart AI. Not as advanced as Cortana or Weapon but he can do things on his own.
My biggest issue with Infinite is how the created was handled, it irritates me to no end how they went from a galaxy wide problem to being killed off screen.
They killed themselves and coalesced at the domain
I agree. Its still possible that many of them are out there, though. Its possible that they have the exact same situation as the Banished, thinking that their leader and founder is dead but still having their armies.
The really really real reason behimd that, I think, is... People n majority just hated that narrative lol. They had to make something up.
I think they really needed to put the entire Halo 5 plot to bed and this was probably the best way to handle it. I don't want any more halo games being messed up because of that dreadful storyline
@@TheTfrules Back you n that 1000 percent
A thing to remember is the Infinity has been on the run for some time now and probably hasn't had a proper refit and repair, rearm during that and the crew could be fatigued from working constantly to keep her moving and potentially demoralized with Earth attacked again and the loss of UNSC HIGHCOM. And if the Infinity had no AI to help with the ships complex systems I would think the bridge crew would be especially overworked. these factors combined could explain how 4 Banished ships managed to sneak up on the Infinity.
I just hate how all these MAJOR plot points are just massively glossed over. Cortana is already dead, Atriox is missing. Somehow the Banished became a credible threat despite not being so in HW:2 (for those who said he didnt commit much to the Ark, Shadows or Reach suggests otherwise and an old ship with 3 spartans kicked the shit out of them) and in the books. They wipe out Infinity in a single cut-scene which is wierd considering how much time they spent building it up and show fuck all in the character department for pretty much everyone outside of Chief, Weapon, Echo 216 and Escharum (who btw was barely a side character in the books) this game has very shallow writing for the story and I wouldn't be surprised to see that they cut out large sections of the story to sell back to us later. :/ 343 has massively dropped the ball this time, and that's off the back of 5 too :( Don't even get me started on the Endless, 343's answer to the Flood when all we wanted was the parasite to make a comeback.
@@ashleywessels9860 just to go with your sentence on HW2: it was a single banished ship, against an old earth ship yes, but using clever tactics to get the sentinels to destroyed the one true advantage the Banished had over them: space superiority.
The Infinity was a single ship, much more recent yes, and would have probably easily destroyed the Banished super carrier on the ark with ease, but they got caught by surprise, after escaping Cortana and her guardian network for so long, compared to being freshly awakened after 28 years in cryo.
other thing: 3 Spartans 2's, and one of them (Jerome) who has great leader skills that could have been Master Chief instead of 117. I mean, we played almost all Halo's as a single Spartan against whole armies, and the spirit of fire is still fighting them when Zeta events are occurring
@@xXCursedWorgenXx that single Banished ship could have easily wiped out the spirit of fire, if it engaged them. One of the cutscenes even has banshees attacking the ship.
The Infinity has AIs. Both smart and dumb AIs. Roland has stayed loyal to the ship. And the dumb AIs can do the calculations to fire the Infinity 's weapons. The ship was on a mission to neutralize Cortana. Do you really think they would go without th ship being as combat effective as possible.
@@bengeorge9063 well, yes, although the ship was "anchored" (else Jerome and Isabel wouldn't have been able to use the gravlift to get on), and it's unknown if there was the actual shipmaster on board of not, and let's be real, they wouldn't have sent Banshees if they could've used the ship main weapon (if it had one) which would have got the SoF destroyed in a single salvo.
Gotta remember Lasky gave the order to abandon ship, and he was evacuated himself. I don’t think the Infinity fled somewhere without the Captain and much of the crew missing. She had to have crash landed someone on Halo
Maybe the infinity crashing into halo cause the broken rign?
Do you think they pulled a halo CE and made a base of the crashed ship area?
@@ronaldmcdonaldtrump4446 no, campaign shows cortana detonated the ring
Or maybe it crashed on the neighbouring planet just before halo teleported.
Maybe the banished took the infinity
I feel like this is a sound theory. I have two possible ideas of where Infinity is
A) She crashed somewhere on the ring for a Maw style callback
B) She has been captured and repurposed by the Banished
not sure how plausible being captured is since if the AI was still active than any AI worth its salt would activate the self-destruct mechanisms to prevent the Earth (and Forerunner) tech from falling into enemy hands...if crashed on the Halo then it would probably have to be destroyed via a similar method to the Autumn on Installation 04 for the sme reason...deny the Banished the Earth and Forerunner tech on the Infinity
No way the infinity is destroyed. Broken and beaten? Oh for sure, but the UNSC has way too much experience, contingencies, and overall creativity to just roll over and die like that. No doubt in some later update or DLC or whatever with the campaign, we'll see the Infinity return in the same fashion the Foward Unto Dawn came down onto the Ark with either a very freshly built eternity or, if whatever god may allow, the Spirit of Fire because what other place would be safer to heal your wounds than the edge of galactic space and just now receive a distress call from somewhere lightyears away from the Milky Way?
I think they have no problems destroying it because they can just bring in the Eternity and say that was finally completely.
@@joshbull623 Eternity is in no position to fly.
I hope its dead that ship was too OP im really happy its gone tho I do expect in future campaigns we will travel to its wreckage and have a few missions inside it
Well considering we see it basically get destroyed. And the audio logs confirm that it was obliterated. I’m sorry to say that it’s destroyed
Stolen by the Banished and undergoing repairs right now? 👀
Whatever the answer is, I was disappointed to not find it in the game. After all the hype the Infinity got an naming the game Infinite, you would expect they would let you know how this occurred. If the Guardian did it then you should have [spoilers] Cortana confirmed that in her voice logs with Atriox [spoilers]
seriously this fucking ship is always just torn apart whenever its shown or mentioned what was the point of a ark/flagship that cant put up a fight or take a beating.
hopefully we find some ancient human ships on Zeta halo and advance that lore a little.
@@themonsterwithin6495 probably a weapon capable of destroying the flood they had a ship that could do this too a extant
@@themonsterwithin6495 or maybe a way to use the flood cells to augment themselves without it taking over. kinda like the spartans now that would get the forerunners attention and fear.
@@themonsterwithin6495 remember ancient humanity had access too the dust that eventually became the flood.
originally they were going too try to use it to enhance themselves but decided to try it on their dogs at the time and see what happened.
whos to say that during the end of their time they didnt start looking back into finding a way too incorporate the dust into humanity without the host losing their individuality?
now that would make the halo rings look like childs play too me.
@@themonsterwithin6495 exactly maybe the flood was scared because some of humanity did find a way to becoming immune to flood control and they couldn't allow the forerunners to get ahold of this.
it would be a great story idea for a future dlc involving ancient humanity. either way this could really shake things up. also i feel humanity would just destroy the domain due too all the trouble it has caused all living things due to cortana and the created. but your right this could be exciting.
If you look at the Banished Dreadnaught (BD), you'll notice something on the front... Just like the Brute Chopper, it has a jagged, but bladed, bow. It's also clear that it's heavily reinforced, and seemingly made specifically for ramming other massive ships. Perhaps, even, made specifically for the UNSC Infinity. The rear thrusters on the BD are at full blast, while the Infinity's mostly stationary, meaning that every last bit of force was focused on that single section of hull, rather than being dispersed along the flank. If you've ever used the Brute Chopper in multiplayer... doing the exact same thing to a Warthog will immediately destroy it. Taking the extra armor into account, the BD likely weighed MORE than the Infinity, and the bladed front gave it more cutting power.
Next, the UNSC ships **to the best of my knowledge** don't keep their shields up 100% of the time. AFAIK, they only raise them at the start of combat. So, if the Infinity wasn't immediately in a battle, the shields wouldn't be up. The helm is facing forward, with limited visibility. If Atriox used the covenant's slip space tech, he could hide in slip space before surprise-attacking at full speed, close-ranged, at an odd angle. By the time even Roland would notice and begin raising the shields, it'd be too late.
A little LOL because you cant assume the force vectors when the orbits are unknown, but nice try with that one ;) lol
This was a chaotic scene. Roland was never mentioned. Most likely busy trying to keep the ship together. He probably was stranded on infinity due to the battle. Roland lost systemwide communications from banished ramming. He had let the dumb ai be in control of command. The abandon ship must of stranded him, leaving him with limited options. Isabel was the only other ai not compromised or not included to the roster of Cortana ai network. He could of sent the engine with its functions still operating directly to her after the chaos. It takes 8 months to get there and back. But it could of been 2 months away when chief woke up. Roland could of known that something could of happen there since 4 months before the battle at installation 7, the covenant tried activating the halo rings again but failed. The signal must of alerted him to head there directly if infinity was uninhabitable to function properly due to severe hulll loss and nowhere to go for emergency repairs for the forerunner engines. His arrival and seeing from some intact systems restored during the trip there would of alerted him to the battle and surviving forces still alive after all this time. He would of been forced to hail the support ship informing them of the severe problem of infinity issue’s being critically low integrity. Isabel would of been shocked to have someone arrive in battered condition.
Not to mention that the Infinity was rammed by two of the four dreadnoughts. In the part of the cutscene where the Pelicans and phantoms are flying around, you can see another dreadnought making a beeline for the Infinity’s starboard side.
Just look under her at 14:25
Plus, I don't ever think there's confirmation for how shields handle a massive collision. Kinetic or energy weapons, sure it may deflect them or something...but a giant bladed brick crashing into your ship. Either it would be as funny looking as bumper cars, or the shields would simply not be able to negate the mass. The latter makes more sense to me.
@@jjhh320 Also the shields would’ve more likely been designed to deal with plasma bolts that Covenant ships use than with kinetic energy. The Infinity itself was never designed as a ramming ship as the Brute ships were.
Also you can’t compare a case of being rammed to doing the ramming yourself. I imagine even a Covenant ship ramming the Infinity would’ve done some damage, but much less than what the Brute ships are capable of. However we never see that scenario for us to say for certain it wouldn’t leave a mark.
I like this theory alot, but it seems everyone everytime i watch a halo theory on the cutscene battle they completely forget the banished dreadnoughts have stasis beams. A stasis cannon was a covenant weapon mounted on vehicles, quoted from Halo Alpha Fandom
"When fired, it disables the targeted enemy aircraft, rendering it unable to move or fire. Once the Vampire is upgraded with Stasis Drain, the weapon not only stops its target, but also drains its energy regenerating the Vampire itself and making the hostile crash onto the ground. Its second upgrade, Stasis Bomb, causes drained aircraft to explode, inflicting Area-of-Effect damage"
This description fits PERFECTLY with infinites opening scene, even though the stasis cannon first appeared in halo wars 1. The stasis beam that the dreadnoughts have now, locked the infinity down unable to move or fire, and perhaps it was upgraded to drain infinity's shields.
I think yeah, the infinity arrived at zeta halo and fought a guardian. But the Infinity reacted faster than the guardian could and took it down before it could fire back. Then, the banished fire their stasis beams, disabling engines and weapons, and draining energy giving the dreadnoughts more energy perhaps in the engines which is why the first one was able to do so much damage with its ram.
That probably what happened, I don't see nothing wrong what you say. So that the reason you see a down guardian on the other part of the ring
fandom tho\
No, guardian was called by cortana hours after infinity fell and its purpose was to destroy cortana and the ring but despondent pyre teleported the ring with all the wreckage and ships in near orbit. And just after cortana died the guardian deactivated and made a land fall on ring. And yes prometheans also deactivated.
@PurpleOwlAnimation theory crafting!
The first thing I noticed was: the shields are down. Each blow has no flicker of light, just explosions.
While the Guardians might have dropped the Infinity’s shields, I feel like that’s unlikely, as the Banished wouldn’t have been able to attack so precisely in that case, and they aren’t so blunt as to attack without a plan.
Since there’s already enemies onboard, I think Atriox and an advanced force penetrated the ship quietly and disabled the shields, fighting off the major threats while the dreadnoughts decided to eliminate the ship.
However, I don’t think they *didn’t* kill the guardian. We know Chief was able to make landfall earlier, since the weapon was down there. So I think he was recalled when they found whatever Atriox was hiding in, and *then* the Banished struck from within and then from without.
Chief isn't the one who delivered Weapon. Audio logs talk about that.
I highly doubt that the banished snuck aboard the most advanced warship the UNSC has partly because its dam hard to sneak abord another species ship, you kind of standout a bit ya know? and no way those ships closed with infinity too fast for her to react if it wasn't dealing with a bigger target. these aren't stealth capable ONI prowlers these are capitol class warships. and while they have quiet a bit of power I'm sure they don't have the ability to remain at standoff distance with the infinity, humanity has the advantage at range with AI targeted MAC rounds and point defense. maybe the infinity saw the first ship and ignored it or maybe the two of them both targeting the guardian. Once it went down maybe the banished ship turned on infinity and relayed coordinates for the three other ships to jump in on.
You say The Banished wouldn't attack without a plan, but they would definitely do exactly that if the opportunity is presented, and how would they sneak into the Infinity? The Banished were already inside the Infinity on the cutscene because they were deployed by the Phantoms, you can see that in the cutscene.
Your theory is really really bad.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. We see the Infinity already engaging Banished forces prior to the impact of the enemy Dreadnaught. There probably was no Guardian fight at all. It was only the Banished, with Atriox himself leading the boarding party to disable the ship to allow for his fleet's coup de grace.
From audio logs and such the Infinity had came to the ring to find cortana and deal with her... the banished were NOT expected at the ring. If we remember Halo Wars 2 the banished were at the Ark, and Reach. This isn't even the ring that was made in HW2, so, basically they got caught with their pants down and paid for it dearly.
The Dreadnaughts look like they were built for ramming maneuvers, and it kind of doesn't matter how strong the Infinity is, moving fast enough, even smaller ships would plow through the plating. I remember one time, after a tornado, a neighbor of mine found a drinking straw that had been shoved clean through a 2×4, and the straw was completely undamaged due to how fast it was moving.
2x4?
@@strider117aldo9 dimension of wood
@@strider117aldo9 basically a plank of wood
Jeez what was that straw made of! surely metal? Lol
But yeah tornadoes are terrifying, shrapnel can do insane things
But also having advanced shield’s that’s pretty dope that the banished took out the infinity
I’m fairly certain that the Infinity’s wreckage is on Zeta Halo as I’ve seen a picture online showing a very large and very long rectangular shape off in the distance. It even has a hole in the same spot that the banished dreadnought rammed the Infinity. Unfortunately I don’t know exactly where it can be seen from.
Edit: I was able to find where it’s visible from. If you climb to the top of the area around foxhound squad, find the guardian corpse and then look to the right, you’ll see it but now that I’m able to get a better look at it, it’s possible that’s it’s actually a part of the rings edge.
Yea I think it’s the rings edge
At 14:26 you can see a second dreadnought ramming the infinity. The banished knew what they were dealing with and didn’t hesitate to sacrifice two whole dreadnoughts to make sure she was destroyed, so this feels more like an assassination than a battle
I really like this theory. I believe there’s 2 options for the infinity at the moment. Either it’s crashed on Zeta Halo and the Banished occupy it at the moment trying to repair it to operating status. Similar how Halo 4 the infinity crash landed on Requiem. Or 2: if jumped into slipspace after being rammed.
However, I do think this is a good opportunity to introduce the sister ship (Eternity) in future story expansions.
Good video as always!
I think the best way to think about the campaign's unanswered questions is from the perspective of it having a ten-year plan. It's obviously leaving things ambiguous left and right so they can be expanded on in future DLCs. The fact that we never see the _Infinity_ actually blow up tells me the ship is at least partially intact. She will be the subject of a future DLC. Unless she was captured and repurposed by the Banished as some are suggesting, I think the idea that she can be repaired and flown off of the ring is a little optimistic, and this would likely happen fairly late into that ten-year plan if that _is_ the case, since the game seems to be treating Zeta Halo itself as, well, the main setting for everything to come. Given how much damage was being done, I'd say the ship is probably just being stripped down for parts and technology, but if she was intact enough, then yeah, I could see the Banished using her.
It's kinda ironic that atriox(in my point of view) did save Master Chief from infinity when is about to go down, he had a chance to finish master chief off but instead he just threw him out of space rather than mauled master chief with his hammer to death.
@@braydoxastora5584 I think he just wanted Cortana to think he was dead to crush her hopes cause she was still expecting chief to save the day like he always did
@@thorf.9511 I agree. It felt like he said that to hurt her.
@@Soloong_Gaybowzer 100% for shock to get her to agree with him.
Who says the Infinity exploded? Unless the reactors were hit, that hull ought to be somewhere.
@@braydoxastora5584 he hit him in the head a few times, he was probably just exaggerating what he presumed would have been a fractured skull or concussion, Also as others have said, maybe just to fuck with cortana.
That’s my head cannon too. I look at it like the Infinity has been fighting and running for days or weeks up until that point. Faced off against the guardian and won. Then the banished came in suicidal style and crippled her before they could recover. Banished taking credit and boasting about a 4 min kill time when the “Prey” was already broken and beaten down already. Wish they would have went more in depth during that time too
But there’s an audio log with Chief and Lasky calmly walking on the Infinity as if nothing happened right? And then the Banished attacked out of no where. Wouldn’t Lasky be on the bridge if they’re approaching Halo? Or was Lasky on the bridge already?
I dont think you listened to that section of audio logs in order because they were definitely on the bridge when the attack happened. You might be confused because of the whole firefight to the landing bay was very calm which makes sense. They are all professionals.
The audio logs give the sense that lasky was all over the ship, from being on the bridge to talk to Halsey and then walk around with Chief as he was about to go to Zeta to capture Cortana with the weapon
To me it felt really odd that the Banished could take down the infinity in 5 minutes. Whoever wrote the Banished in the new Halo game just went overboard. Like how tf can the Spirit of Fire take on the Banished and WIN?! Whilst the Infinity got completely stomped. Something doesn't really add up with the plot.
I can say the banished didn't have their full fleet at installation 00
I agree. Humanity should be reaching slowly forerrunner level. Infinity fuzes shield and engine from forerunners. And now brutes can take it seriously down? pfff
@@Dabulewicz
Yup, they didn't. The Enduring Conviction was only one of their ships.
The Banished have way more fleets, they even have a Supercarrier.
The spirit was able to win due to the banished only having one ship at the ark and said ship not giving the spirit any form of attention outside of sending banshees. This fact also being combined with the forces of the spirit of fire making clever use of the ark’s systems thanks to Isabel’s knowledge allowed the spirit to take out a vessel way beyond what she should have
6:34 this guy talks a lot of shit about humanity's accomplishments for a beast who was literally adopted into a more advanced conglomerate and then later on also inherited and/or stole all of this advanced technology he's so proud of, but had nothing to do with creating. What a loser.
Two ideas:
1. Infinity was completely crippled in the attack, and like the Pillar of Autumn, crash landed on the ring under mostly autonomous control after the human crew abandoned ship. If so, the ship probably can be repaired, given the capabilities of Forerunner construction assets available on the ring. That is, assuming they can take control of the ring and the crash site from the Banished.
2. If Roland was still on board, he could have initiated a slipspace jump that ended up being a one way trip due to the damage sustained. Where the Infinity would have gone is unknown, but we know that there were few if any human crew aboard after the battle. Asking the Arbiter for assistance would probably be a safe bet, since Infinity repeatedly helped him and the Swords at Sangehelios. With 117 and a Halo ring involved, Thel would send some ships to help.
Aha... interesting. Regarding point nr 2. Maybe Infinity somehow slipped away to the Ark, meeting up with Spirit of Fire. Grisly veteran Captain James Cutter, Isabel, Red team would be heckuva surprised! Could dream... and dont forget Proffesor Ellen Sanders stuck on Halo Inst. 04b/ 9 by a guardian..
If you look just to the left of the downed guardian there is a sort of infinity like shape also damaged looking and crashed on the surface so maybe that's where it is
@@Marshall42Hall052 I saw that too and it looks nearly identical in the way it’s structured
@@Marshall42Hall052 I've seen that too, however I think that might be the wall at the edge of the ring.
Oh I missed that…wait did the infinity go down? Remember, the infinity is like a human version of a Covenant Carrier, those things could transport troops, equipment, and even ships. The big shipwrecks on Zeta Halo’s surface remind me of the ship that launch from the infinity to engage the covenant fleet at requiem, after the major event in Halo 4.
This is definitely the most satisfying answer for me as to how the Infinity lost its shields. Only the guardians had the kind of firepower necessary to hit that ship hard enough, and the Banished as was said had all the reason to show up there searching for Cortana as well.
I think, if the Infinity truly fell, then it was absolutely stripped down to the last bolt for parts by the Banished. They would never waste the opportunity to take trophies from one of their greatest victories.
This theory has a lot of glaring flaws:
1) From the UNSC audio logs, we can hear Captain Laskey taking a stroll with Chief before the big mission. If the Infinity were being assaulted by a Guardian I’d imagine Laskey and Chief would be at battle stations like the rest of its crew and not taking a leisurely stroll.
2) If the Banished were there to attack Cortana on the ring, then why didn’t the Infinity detect them as well as the Guardian? As soon as they realized that they would have to fight a Guardian AND a slew of Banished ships, they should made a momentary retreat, because they probably were not aware of The Banished’s relationship with Cortana. For all they knew, The Banished could have momentarily submitted to Cortana and agreed to do her bidding for the moment. Making the threat much worse.
3) Why wouldn’t the Guardian just fire its Attenuation Pulse? It would have disabled The Infinity and most of the tech on there including the drop ships, like the Pelicans and such, removing their ability to fight AND run. Not to mention the Guardian should’ve detected The Banished ships nearby as well since they would’ve been close enough to ambush the Infinity in this hypothetical scenario, making it even more sensible to activate its Attenuation Pulse which would’ve disabled the Infinity AND all of the nearby Banished ships as well.
It's because of Atriox
@@infernaldaedra
What’s because of Atriox?
@@donovanlarsen7982 It's kind of a spoiler..
@@infernaldaedra
Why comment in the first place if you’re not going to elaborate?🤨
@@donovanlarsen7982 Beat the game on Legendary if not then you don't deserve to know :P
I still don't believe she went down fully. Roland possibly had her jump away as the crew evacuated. She was designed initially to be *the* lifeboat, after all.
Yea since there is no mention of Roland being on the ring and in the case of a ship evac he would have been with the captain as he left
@@LyokoisGreat2 unless the Cole Protocol is still in effect whereby a shipboard AI is destroyed in the event the ship is lost.
Honestly After completing the campaign, I was left with more questions than answers. One of my top questions being what happened to Captain Lasky.
He evacuated during that mess... current status: Unknown.
@@AAhmou I knew that he evacuated, it's why I want to know what happened to him afterwards. Like I said in my original post, I have more questions than answers.
@@jjdg88 that’s kinda the point. They’re going to be updating this and releasing continued story over the next 10 years. Halo infinite isn’t over. we just played act 1
@@Vadnarr Yeah... I know, doesn't stop me from just thinking about it and wanting the answers though. So yeah, it's doing exactly what they wanted it to do. I'm going to have this itch in the back of my mind until they answer these questions with the updates and continuations.
@@jjdg88 same man, I just know some people don’t realize what the plan for the game is.
How Infinity Fell
Atriox: "Ram them!"
It possible and a sound theory although the timing is off.
Remember the UNSC and the Weapon were already on Halo before the attack.
So just needs to do a slight rearrangement of the time and I think it works.
Or am I misremembering.
I wonder if infinity's sister ship is going to show up anytime soon?
Maybe salvage it for repairs, it wasn't finished but still I think mostly finished
I doubt that, since Earth is currently under Hostile AI control.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Good news is that Cortana isn't at the helm anymore. Bad news, Cortana isn't at the helm anymore...
@@AAhmou I really hope Abaddon becomes the new leader of the Created. He is a Precursor AI found inside the Domain, and he worships the Mantle of Responsibility harder than the Didact. Anything's better than the cringe Warden..
It should be called the "Beyond"
Infinity presumably crash landed (just like the unsc pillar of autumn from halo:ce) on zeta Halo while the surviving frigates almost all of them got obliterated by the banished with only few of them(maybe two based on the multiplayer maps) survived.
I hope infinity is hiding and a distress message has only just reached the spirit of fire and it is trying to use the ark to get back by using something like the slip space portals. And then the Eternity arrives as well. That would be a cool ending. Though I would not really want to wait 10 years to see it with the updates we’re getting.
Why does everyone keep hyping up the UNSC Eternity? That ship was never built, had its few completed components cannabalized to repair the Infinity, and now Earth is under Hostile AI control. There is little-to-no chance the UNSC Eternity is gonna be built any time soon...and holy hell, a distress signal to the Spirit of Fire!? I seriously doubt human signals could reach OUTSIDE THE GALAXY to a ship everyone thinks died!
@@jakespacepiratee3740 it's somewhat common knowledge that the SoF is known to be alive.
@@alphacraig4784 No its not. They are outside the Milky Way Galaxy and they never could contact the UNSC because Anders Installation 09 was intercepted by a Guardian.
Another option would be during operations down on the ring, cloaked members of the Banished managed to sneak on board some of the UNSC drop ships, similar to what Jega did (don't want to spoil, but you know the scene). Or they got onboard with a cloaked Phantom similar to the one that follows you during the campaign. This team could then have disabled the shields, sensors, and even weapons systems similar to what Jul 'Mdama's forces and the Prometheans did in H4 Spartan Ops. All of this could explain why there doesn't seem to be an answer for how it happened yet, because no one on the Infinity knew how
Been playing through Halo Infinite and it's a great game (though sad Coop can't out) and loving the story. But to be honest I simply can't make the leap of logic or how the infinity and her escort fleet got annihilated. As I have several problems
1) UNSC Escorts that we're in her vanguard scouting ahead have a sensor range of 10 light minutes. Given that Infinity was made with the very best and experimental tech id assume it would be even better than her scores by a slight degree. So how did these 4 ships sneak up on her? As they arnt small as we have seen. So maybe they did 4 decently precise jumps and rammed the ship or cloaked? I don't think it was a jump as from an audio log we hear the infinity got boarded not even 15 seconds after the first ram with a significant amount of banished troops. An I doubt a stealth ship could sneak up on the Infinity.
2) How does 1 ship potentially have enough firepower to drop the infinite shields in less than 10 seconds?
3) Why does the Infinity keep easily getting overrun by borders?
we love the spartan ops using human nukes to attempt to destroy the ship lmao
Very good questions
Just check my comment
Frankly I was just looking for a vid or something to discuss this. Not only sensor range but you figure the Infinity has a recon picket of not only fighters but also frigates and corvettes. In fact in the audio files found we hear that there are. FFG-525 for one. This is A.
B, the Infinity herself carries something like 5000 marines, 800 Army soldiers, 800 ODST, and who knows how many S-IV teams. That’s not even including S-II teams, ONI SF, Air Force, or Swords of Sanghelios personnel. My point being, even if the banished managed to board the Infinity there is just no plausible way they would be able to flood the ship with enough troops to overwhelm a force like that. We should keep in mind there is also at minimum one smart AI who would be tracking threats, directing fireteams, and utilizing shipboard defenses and bulkheads to defend and obstruct the boarders.
I mean one of the missions of the IBG is force projection, hence why it alone carries such a huge combined force. This not even taking into account the support ships and escorts with the Infinity. Not including the 10 Stalwart frigates it carries internally.
Meanwhile the Banished are nowhere as big as or well equipped as the Covenant were. Yet they can bypass the Infinity’s advanced shields like they’re nothing? Did 343 forget the Infinity also carries 10 Strident Class heavy frigates? Hundreds of Broadsword and Longsword fighters and bombers which surely would have been on patrol. This on top of her escort of other frigates? I list this again because god damn. Unless you have an overwhelming force, new technology and a prayer then it’s just absurd.
This isn’t the UNSCs first time out either. They knew about the Banished. They’re dealing with Cortana who had been on a rampage. This battle group would have been on high alert and running operations as such. Again, it’s just so ridiculous to me that the Banished can just waltz right in and take over as if the only people guarding the ship are a pair of cardboard cutouts of Marines.
We’re led to believe this was a small and precise attack on the Infinity Battle Group, no? So even more so that there is just no plausible way they could have the force to complete that objective. Yeah Atriox is tough but he’s not invincible and he’s also not a warship. Even boarding the Infinity with a group of his best men it’s just lunacy to believe he’d be able to overcome a force of the ship’s regular forces. Not to mention special forces, S-IVs, S-IIs, and Elites. If you don’t believe that’s lunacy then why is the UNSC frightened and going after Cortana? If Atriox can do all that then he’s a far bigger threat and they should be having capital ships vs Atriox floating in space. Him just fist fighting these giant warships and winning.
It’s just too unbelievable a scenario and personally I think 343 really dropped the ball on this part of the writing.
I will say I haven’t completed the main campaign yet. Close to it I think, I’ve been collecting all the audio files and such. So maybe I’m missing a large part but so far this is what I’ve seen and heard and frankly I hope I’m wrong and that this will make a lot more sense in the end.
Completely agree, and it seems daft how in the video he talks about infinity fighting the guardian being the reason the shields are down but if the shields were downed would they not have already launched the fleet and still had a perimeter around the infinity? Which like you say would be actively scanning?
Even if they successfully downed the guardian, that's not to say there wouldn't be other forerunner forces nearby or even potentially another guardian ready to drop in so it makes no sense for them to drop their guard at all until bases are established
If the infinity detected those banished ships on scanners, it could have sniped them with its Mac's before they could get close
And as for being boarded, infinity had a crew of over 17,000
Over 7100 being troops and an unknown amount of Spartans but I imagine there would have been several Spartan company on board, wether the rest of blue team or Osiris was there I don't know but the banished don't know the layout inside so for them to so quickly over run the infinity with a full compliment of marines, odsts, unsc marines, Spartan companies and other specials with home field advantage seems like bs to me
Idk if there would be any automated defence inside either, but one of the greatest advantages I could see the personnel having, is they all have a HUD that receives data from the ship, as well as it's sensors and cameras etc, so could they literally not be able to see using their HUD what is about to come around a corner in advance?
Another idea that i personally had is, that Lasky said in the Audiologs that he didnt like it that they were like sitting ducks. So maybe they had their shields down and waited for Cortana to be baited in with their mere presence, so the Chief could plant the Weapon like a bomb with a good distraction. So in that way to defeat one enemy, they let themselves open to another enemy, which they had no idea who was coming, which would be even more irony.
So what i think happened. The infinity went to the ring expecting no banished (as the audio logs suggest), so their shields were not up as the mission was to plant the weapon, lure the cortana and bring her back for deletion. So when they got surprised attack, from the start cutscene ànd audio logs say, the banish smash 6 ships into the infinity. This would do a lot of damage on their own. But then they sent attriox on who was looking for something (hinted towards throughout the game) so he killed everyone, or everyone who couldn't escape. So this is what put the infinity down.
Also cortana didn't activate the ring, she controlled it, but when atriox came and cortana supposedly killing herself and atriox would have put down the gaurdian as they would have no controller. Or cortana put them down when she was realizing what she did.
Ps: if this vid was made before the game was out, then cool good theory, but with the new information then this theory does not hold up
Ps 2: Because of constant slip space jumps and less crew (having to get unqualified civilians as seen from the pilot) some systems such as shields would be down. Also they would have just been at reach getting Halsey cloned brains to make the weapon and may have had conflict there which would put down the shields. So when they get to the ring, not knowing the banished is there, they would have shields down and reasources repairing the ship. The escort fleet may have been left behind to handle the fight on reach or already got destroyed by the banished before the infinity got there and couldn't send a message
The problem is... How would the Banished manage to sneak 6 ships past the Infinity ?
The infinity has shields on 24/7 as it wouldn’t make since to have them down
@@AAhmou I would argue that since the Infinity was the last bastion of a free humanity they've been jumping from system to system trying to keep ahead of Cortana and her Guardians. Doing their best to resist the Created's rule. Because of this frequent fighting and running I would purpose that the Infinity's crew size kept dwindling until by the time they arrived at Zeta Halo the ship was down to what was effectively a skeleton crew, and many of the ship's critical systems were being handled by Civilian contractors (Like the Pilot) who the Infinity picked up from places they'd resupply from.
It would make sense that either the fatigue from the constant fighting caused the crew to get sloppy and make mistakes,
Or during a resupply a spy/agent/Banished sympathizer was placed aboard the Infinity and took down it's defenses before the Banished's attack.
@@horrorfan117 also all the energy would be used on slip space jumps and vital system so the shields might not be down
@@mrhank016 yes they were when humanity was fine, but due to frequeny slip space jumps away from cortana, going to reach, right before the ring, and defending there would have decaying down the infinity and its crew. So it wouldn't have shields
Did it fall though? The UNSC Infinity has/had a crew of 7+ thousand. That cutscene said under 2 thousand of that crew compliment are dead. Also, you do not see the wreckage of the Infinity in game. We only see the wreckage of frigates.
Yep so she on the runs most likely she went to the ark where she mets sof and it crew of 5k of troops and rearm and repair her damage
It's possible Infinity has a reinforced prow for ramming maneuvers and increased shield strength to the fore, owing to Captain Keyes' 'Loop'. However, the Brutes turned the tactic on them and dropped the shields, then rammed the side of the ship with the new entrants to the Naval battle. Keeping a reserve force even in Naval battles makes great sense, and with the Covenant's capability of mid-system jumps, it wouldn't be unheard of for them to rapidly deploy new vessels with a mid-system jump just to catch the Infinity off-guard.
This also implies that the Brutes somehow became navally skilled, though, and I don't know if even Atriox is *that* smart.
The simple explanation is that 343 wanted to abandon the Created story line as quickly as possible, after that disaster of a story of HALO 5. So they invented the Banished and to make them seem like a credible threat, had them wipe out the Infinity.
So once again humanity is on the back foot like they were in the Bungie trilogy.
One thing that bugs me is how the brutes were able to build a fleet in such a short time. Before the covenant civil war the brutes were completely dependent on the convening for technology. The brutes weren’t exactly the engineers of the covenant. So this brute fleet feels like a plot hole.
Check out the bosses of the Banished, a good few were Engineer Brutes.
Not really seeing how the banished have been active for quite sometime, working with mercenary groups and such. I do believe they only had one capital ship. But that’s all the Info from halo wars
The banished were a thing before the covenant civil war. They basically invited anyone who disliked the covenant into their ranks while stealing from the covenant.
Thank Atriox for that. Under his leadership he created a force even the covenant at the height of their power couldn't even take out.
Honestly Infinity getting destroyed and MC getting his ass kicked by Atriox in the opening sequence made me really really sad.
Same but avenging it all made it that much sweeter
@@georgemclaughlin3197 The thing is, we haven't avenged it yet. Sure we're fighting the Banished on the ring but not the big guy hiimself.
@@ed32568 yea that’s true. Tbh I was really hoping for the UNSC eternity to come in & kick some ass for the infinity
I can understand Atriox beating red team they were fresh outta cryosleep, completely unprepared and in extremely outdated armor without shields, but chief in remade 2gen Mk.V b (equal to Mk.IIV ) getting smacked around like a toy and not even phasing Atriox with that 3 piece is just annoying plot armor.
@@georgemclaughlin3197 Hopefully it happens in DLC :) I don't think the Eternity is quite ready yet
This is the best theory I've heard about it I was wondering how the Infiniti was taken down but I didn't know there was a guardian. Your theory makes perfect sense, fits like a glove
I've literally never been so livid about anything in a Halo game than the way Infinity was treated in Infinite
The real question is how did Cortana get cornered by Atriox? So cornered that she could not slip space her fleet of Guardians to destroy the Banished.
Why couldnt a guardian EMP the ring or a 2nd guardian slip space in after the 1st was was destroyed to deal with Atriox?
We've seen a fleet of guardians in halo wars 5 and she also summoned a small group to destroy Atriox's world. But she only had 1 guardian to protect her and protect a halo ring? Come on now....
Even more shitty writing
Bit late but the theory I have is that while Cortanas guardian was dealing with the infinity ( she wouldn't outright destory it like other shops because the chief was on it) a squad was sent by Lasky who had a lock down key so she couldn't go anywhere kind of like being disconnected from the internet therfore she lost control of the guardian and the infinity destroyed it but didn't have time to get ready to go against the banished especially with some of their crew on the ring
i personally think that it escaped at the last moment, barely clinging on to life, because of most people only saying that its missing, and that we never see the body, its not KIA yet.
"If you don't see a body or them die, then they're not dead" The Infinite is still out there, somewhere.
Binged a dozen of your vids in past 24 hours. Good stuff, thank you
I find it funny how spirit of fire with half crew outdated tech lived way longer than the infinity and is maybe alive still which is funny to me
Well the banished didn’t really pay the spirit any real attention, if they did the banished vessel would be opening fire on the spirit and not just send in banshees. So for the spirit she was heavily underestimated in the effectiveness and creativity of her crew by the banished
This way of resetting the power dynamic is really... Lazy.
I fucking hate how they throw away established lores to build up stakes for the new enemy faction.
Kind of reminds me how the power dynamics of the first order and the new republic was treated in the sw sequel trilogy
Yeah that 2 minutes 30 second intro that 00 did was really unecessary
I wouldnt have an issue with this happening as long as it was done the right way, it was getting a little stale seeing the UNSC shitting all over every single threat espetialy after all we have left is earth and a handful of colonies.
What they suceeded in was making the Infinity and all the spartan 4's an absolute joke, what was the point writing them in and diluting the mythic status of the spartans just to kill them all off even easier then common marines?
@@fithianmt7468 Same.
Finally! You’re the first person I’ve seen to tie in the Academy lore into what is going on in the halo universe!
glad to know that the fall of the infinity was a joint created banished attack
Hard to believe even after the supposed "upgrades" the Librarian gave to the Chief that Atriox was still able to throw him around like a toy doll.
The upgrade was to stop the chef being composed, but yes part of it was a forced evolution
Im just suppressed Atriox didn't crush 117 with his bare hands
@@Ghastly_Grinner I'm getting a bit sick of 343 throwing cheif around like a ragdoll.
Spartan 2's are ungodly strong, in game and lore they are capable of punching through solid concrete and tank armour.
That uppercut should have crushed Atriox's jaw and skull, but leaves no mark and dosent draw any blood (to keep the T rating probably).
The fight just felt very weak and unimpactful to me.
I have no problem with Atriox beating cheif, but make it close, have them damn near kill each other, both of them mauled and bloodied before Atriox gets the advantage at the end.
@@chromicm6686 facts.
@@chromicm6686 Well in ...First strike I do belief an unarmored (Atriox is wearing power armor) Brute almost kills 117 with his bare hands the book describes the brute as having muscles like steel the brute almost strangles 117 in hand to hand combat a brute is stronger than a spartan
The Infinity was on the Run for 2 years, I think the ship's shields were down to save power and hide it's signal easier as it headed to Zeta Halo as the UNSC knew Cortana was there but was ambushed by the Banished. There are no Audio logs on the Infinity about a Guardian attack before the ambush
A Guardian softening them up makes sense actually. Also with that fight, Chief was distracted bad in the fight, he was so focused to find Cortana again. You could see how he prioritized getting to her chip over focusing on Atriox. He had never faced someone like that before, judging him at first like a regular Brute albeit with power armor. Atriox let Chief use none of his usual strategies and gain distance, likely waiting until he had run out of ammo or had a smaller gun to approach. It was the equivalent of a Grunt with a plasma pistol fighting a human and not realizing they were a Spartan, all while distracted by the desire to see someone they cared about very much. I'd love the chance to talk more about this lore point too honestly.
I saw a banished dreadnaught breakdown that was explaining that the front is designed for ramming and has essentially a giant gravity hammer build into it
There are still to many missing variables for an accurate recreation of events. And a couple plot holes to speak of already is all this new technology from the UNSC. Technologically the UNSC should not have had the means to create new warships (the new frigates we see) nor should the Banished have had the means to create warships. The Banished were entirely reliant upon Covenant ships and to suddenly have ships to rival the Infinity doesn't fit. The Guardians entirely neutralized Earth and likely any shipyards for the UNSC, and it is safe to assume the same happened to the Covenant remnants and Banished. I can see smaller ground tech being created on board the Infinity like the Gen3 armor for Spartans, but not new warships... All this was a tangent leading into the fight analysis.
The Infinity appeared dead in the water during that fight and it was quite disappointing for me for them to hype up the ship so much only to off it in the opening scene of Infinite. Its like killing a main character just for shock value even if it has no place.
I have a feeling she made an emergency slipspace jump heavily damaged but barely alive. I know that's something Roland would do
That would be cool to have the infinity repaired maybe we will se spartan palmer and Lasky around as well
@@darthrevan704 If Lasky's alive he's on Zeta Halo. He made it off the ship.
@@darthrevan704 Fuck no. First Spartan IV are not even real Spartans. Second Lasky is just a Wish version of Captain Keyes. Bury that garbage once and for all.
@@requiemagent3014 spartan IVs are real spartans they actually make the most sense because they are taken from the active service instead of kidnapped when they are children spartanIIs or orphans made by the covenant spartan IIIs while spartan I soldiers like sgt Johnson were taken form the service and now the spartan IVs went back to the roots of the program and made effective spartans fireteam crimson are spartan IVs and they won the requiem campaign spartan IVs are true spartans just like every other spartan generation created for the needs of there time spartans I were and experimental program to make super soldiers the spartanII program used more augmentations and had the mjolnir powered armor many dies from the augmentation but those that survived became very efficient soldiers spartanIII were meant to be expedable spartans sent on suicide missions to take out key targets and some were pulled from the ranks to make special units like noble team and spartan IVs are post war spartans where humanity had plenty of new recruits and could produce them in far greater numbers than before so they are spartans just like the other generations and just as capable
@@darthrevan704 So just let me get this straight.
Spartan II. Literally hand picked children from 800 human colonies because they were genetically superior specimen. Highly trained soldiers that only know combat, victory and duty. Highly augmentated with the best armor humanity can make. Literal demi gods.
Spartan IV. Random dudes that don't get nearly as an extensive combat training. Genetic trash because so little humans are left now. Augmentations that a vastly inferior what the prior Spartan generations have gotten. Just their armor is better due to improvements in technology.
So literal demi gods versus ODST randoms in power armor. Yup those two are clearly on the same level. Buddy your brain is absolutely fried. Seek help.
On a separate note about the endless that i found in the audio logs, I think The Harbinger is possibly in league with the flood. In the audio log where she is interrogating a marine she interrupted him saying: "I shall talk and you shall listen." Thats a phrase we all know and i think its a bit too specific to be a coincidence.
God your openings are so awesome! It grabs us and pulls you in. It tells you what you need to know while also going over what the video will talk about. It's just amazingly done. And then that intro music hits. I still have a whole video to watch. My favorite Halo channel. So, do you think we'll ever find out what happened?
There is one thing that I find wrong about this theory. If that were the case, how did chief get the weapon onto the ring?
UNSC was deployed before Banished arrived and deployed Weapon. He then returned to Infinity and was debriefed with Lasky when Banished attacked.
Ring was complete back then and Weapon was infiltrating and trying to trap Cortana. Cortana realized what was going on and made her own plans.
Banished then arrived (using Forerunner Slipspace crystal) and messed up UNSC plans. Banished most likely jumped on top of Infinity location and rammed it after just exiting from Slipspace.
Cortana met with Atriox and while jumping to an unknown location destroyed part of Zeta Halo, setting her plan into motion.
Always a good day when Installation00 has an upload
I hope this is right bc the way 343 has made infinity out to be it just wouldnt make sense to get taken down by 3 less advanced ships than even what the covenant had with its shields up. Hopefully they put out a book or comic to detail what happened before if we dont find out in future dlc
The wreckage can be seen in the background of Zeta Halo. If you look at the guardian and look a little to the right, there is a long dark downed ship that only fits the style of humans. You can also see it at 10:04 on the left side of the screen. My guess is that while the banished most assuredly destroyed the Infinity, they didn’t shatter it into a zillion pieces and the main shell of the ship’s carcass crashed onto the ring in the location we see it in the backdrop. My hopes is that 343 deliberately left the Infinity’s ruins there to tease us for a future campaign where we go to the wreckage to try and do/find something. Maybe a season II for Spartan Ops?
Yes It crashed onto the surface of Zeta. The superstructure remains mostly intact according to the lore.
343 pooved time after time by now, that they don't try to kepp things physically accurate. I don't think that this is what happened in the canon, but I like this explaination a lot. I think in the canon, the banished just have some unexplainable amps because antagonist powers and power cliffing, it was just there to show how much stronger they are than the covenant. It's basically the same with the fight Sequence of Chief and Atriox, Chief is still basically a 1000lb Iron Man, with unbelievably amped strength and a mjolnir armor that powers him even more and yeah... appearently he can land a clean chin hook on Atriox' bare skin, not even armor and he just shrugs it off... If his bones were made of anything remotely organic, his jaw would be crushed after that.
Ape strong mate , 343 "logic" the good only thing the every done were remasters.
Just so you know, Jiralhanae are known to be very, very, VERY durable given their batshit herculean bare strength. There's been a few counts of them surviving entire AR magazines and full on point blank shotgun shells they keep going strong. Besides, you really think Atriox of all brutes is gonna go down that easily?
@@FrostbiteDigital yeah i know, but again, that's just plot armor and makes no sense. Going on with a couple of bullets in you is not that insane of a feat, even humans in real life can keep going with bullets in them as long as no vital organ, bone or crucial muscle is directly hit by the bullet(s). It's literally just physics, it's not like Brutes' bones are made of steel or something, they are still bones + The Jaw bone is basically unprotected by tissue and that holds true for the Brutes as well (that's why chin hooks hurt so bad). MC is easily twice as strong as a human, mjolnir like quadruples that as far as I know and he is 5-6x as massive as a human, that includes his fist, we're talking about a punch that is like 8x as powerful as a human's punch and it's a more or less direct metal to bone collision, that's an incredibly dense area of applied force, even denser than a normal punch + The metal of MC's armour doesn't deform that easily, that means even more if the force is applied directly into the target. I mean it's not impossible to keep going with s broken jaw, but THAT JAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE BROKEN and Atriox should't be able to really talk after that confrontation. xD
@@FrostbiteDigital brutes have been taken down by Spartans in hand to hand combat multiple times. This is the first time we’ve ever seen ANY brute so easily beat a Spartan
@@ch33zyburrito36 Not really. We've seen Atriox completely own Red Team. There was also that moment in First Strike of some random unarmoured brute completely overwhelmed Chief and chocking him to the point where Chief literally was on the brink of passing out. And he was in full armour.
The Banished got the drop on them, they did not defeat Infinity through technological might but through tactics which is something Atriox is well known for 🤨
Atriox still has to get the shields down somehow.
@@TheProphet49 what if Cortana helped him 😕
I think it is also notable that the Infinity effectively had a skeleton crew. The ship was meant to be crewed by a little over 17,000 people, but chief checking the pelican for survivors revealed it was only crewed by just over 7000. It also seems not even all of the crew was meant to be on the infinity- the pilot mentioned he was a volunteer engineer
I think 343 just forgot how powerful infinity is, and the fact that she had shield capability
1000% it crash landed on the ring somewhere so with that in mind there a couple options going forward. My predictions so far are we will eventually retake it from banished forces who have taken it as a base of operations, we will have to blow it up like we did the pillar of autumn or lastly and my favorite, we repopulate it with all of the cylixs races after an evacuation of everybody on the ring, no reason to let those folks die
It holds water, but knowing 343 they're going to make the Banished out to be super uber capeable badguys who killed the infinity on their own to make some false sense of urgency and awe that is totally unearned.
It wasn’t completely unearned, Attriox was badass in Halo Wars 2
@@sireromen5364 such a badass that his forces where beaten by an outdated spirit of fire.
@@Jackal9405 The fact that the Sentinels literally rammed into Atriox's ship always amused me. They have lasers. Why not use that instead of barreling into the ship and breaking themselves? also im wondering why Cortana didnt use the Sentinels in Installation 07 to do the same to the Banished ships...
@@jakespacepiratee3740 cause Cortana was too cocky and know that's wasteful.
@@sireromen5364 Atriox has earned his rep as a baddie, I don't think the BANISHED have earned the utterly destructive force that would be needed to obliterate the infinity, which is the route I think 343 will go.
Literally this is the same discussion me and my friend had today and everything was very close to the same as what we thought!!! Great minds truly think alike. I believe Infinity is still around.
From the audio logs it is clear that the Cole protocol was not followed since what happened to the ships AI Roland since chief, lasky or some other Spartan team would have been in charge of that
Gonna be honest
I don’t buy that the banish could sneak so easily on board and the shields during attack still not be put up
Since the Banished had humans among their ranks, what if they had some of their humans board the Infinity ?
How could 4 banished ships approach the infinity without detection?
By slipspacing on them at the same time thanks to Cortana’s telemetry.
@@cryptosporidium1375 why would the banished board the ship right before they ram it ?
@@spacemichael1177 right after*
@@spacemichael1177 never mind I misunderstood the cutscenes lol. Someone said maybe they boarded to take down shields and that the guardian was taken down a while before the banished attacked (which definitely would've alerted the banished to their presence)
Their was a audio log that talked about the guardian emping after the infinity fell. A solider said that it had leveled the playing field by emping the anti air turrets.
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So did those 4 dreadnoughts just slowly tiptoe up to the infinity in big fake shrubs while the Infinity wasn't looking? Because space is huge, and those dreadnought were not small, so the fact they rammed the Inifity before they even noticed is completely ridiculous
Hiding in the debre of the shatters halo
@@celuler22 the halo was shattered after the attack, it is clearly intact at the begining of the cinematic as an establishing shot.
This was just lazy writing, preity much a given with 343.
@@chromicm6686 both Bungie and 343 have stumbled in writing. They should consult with loremaster fans if they start to slip. I guess we will get the whole picture of how it all went down later. Wish 343 had more say, intel regarding the whole kabang in space. Irks me as much as the knee bending for whiners demandin no more Arbiter for Halo 3 back after Halo 2. Result? Arbiter got delegated to minor beta character with few lines. I dont want the Infinitys crew go through the same, or Spirit of Fires crew for that matter ( SoF is my fav ).
@@odinulveson9101 I have to disagree with the Arbiter, he got some great lines and scenes in H3, he's a chad character.
what realy pissed me off is how little he was in H5 and that they never bothered to show his and cheifs reunion.
A lot of the problems are with the storytelling itself, the contrast in the writing of the H3 elite vs brute fleet battle and of the Infinity vs bannished is astounding.
H3 shows the forces arrive, clearly shows and states the disposition and arrangement of the forces, and that one significantly outnumbers the other.
It makes it clear that this a tough but winnable battle by the elites confidence, and ends after an extended period of time.
We know that truth's ship fled and didnt take part in the battle, the brute fleet is ruined, the dawn lands on the arc, and most of the elite force is still intact.
Infinite however throws us right into the middle of the battle, it is not explained how the forces met, the number or arrangement of the ships, or the length of the battle, but shows the infinity being pummled and boarded.
After cheif is thrown overboard, no clear information is given other than that the ship is "lost" with all hands, we dont know if was destroyed, crashed or captured, how many crew survived, or how many losses the bannished took in the engagement.
From what I understand the halo jumped to slipspace, so the infinity could have been left behind, unlikely completely destroyed but very damaged
I haven’t noticed the crashed guardian yet, but this explanation seems pretty plausible.
I was wondering what the thing I was looking at was in the map. Wayyyy off in the skybox, on some of the other chunks of Zeta is what looks like a crashed High Charity, its very spiky. There is just a mass of spikes, I assume that’s the guardian
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought infinity had a sister ship of equal size and power. Assuming she's hiding and her sister ship hasn't been found (if one exists), they could either use Inifinity to finish the sister shop oooorrr the sister ship to restore Infinity to combat readiness. Again, I could be wrong.
That’s literally what occurred in order to bring Infinity back to combat readiness after sustaining damage at Requiem+battle against Mantle’s Approach
Yeah, I think it's called the unsc eternity... but I'm not sure.
The unsc eternity plan of construction was scrapped . There only one infinity class ship
It was in dry dock and construction halted to pull modules to refit infinity, then the guardians emp earth so shes eother floating in orbit or reentered by now and burnt up.
The opening would've been better if Chief escaped Infinity and Atroix with a quick getaway. Cause him getting thrown off was the stupidest thing Atroix did. Hate that monologuing and crap..go for the kill, but let our protagonist find their own way out fleeing the battle as a loss.
And the Infinity being crushed in 4 minutes? Yeah, too much is missing
Even halo 2 had a better way of handling characters supposedly getting killed by the antagonist (Tartarus shocking the Arbiter into a bottomless pit)
We already know Atriox has a history of wanting to indirectly kill off Spartans after brutalizing them.
I almost feel like Atriox almost wanted Chief to have a chance to survive. He would have killed him with that gravity hammer but MC had to throw a few good punches.
@@noellesato311 that's great and all but I rather chief escape to lick his wounds and fight another day, then plot induced stupidity of ego
@@UnifiedEntity To be fair, throwing him out the hangar and into space did seem like a good idea at the time. I mean how was Atriox supposed to know that Chief's armour could hold 6 MONTHS of air (which is complete lunacy if you ask me lol) while being within the vacuum of space? Now that's a mystery haha
I think the fact there was already a pitched battle going on both aboard and around the Infinity as they were being rammed sets a timeline. The Dreadnought you see in the video might be one of the 3 that arrived later and caught them by surprise. It could be that the Banished had sacrificed one ship to get Atriox and his guard aboard to disable the shields, allowing the latter ships to ram and scuttle the Infinity.
I guess they ignored the fact that the Infinity had some insanely powerful forerunner shields and somehow much smaller ships rammed and destroyed the infinity with little effort?
It fell because Master Beef ate too many hamburgers. Don’t do a lore on that because it wouldn’t be adding any weight to the ship if he’s already eating what’s on there.
*THEORY:* The infinity crashed elsewhere on the ring and we'll have to find, defend, and repair it in a future DLC, all whilst rebuilding the UNSC via FOBs. Hell, we could even have a central hub acting as a sort of Alpha base for the UNSC where Adjundant Resolution deploys Zeta Halo's sentinel's to aid us.
The Weapon already stole back Despondent Pyre's brain from the Harbinger, meaning she can be revived.
Man I sure hope so.
Just wanna say. I love the intro to your videos. So beautiful.
The banished ship master just had a good gaming chair
The infinitys power systems were still operable, that means the reactor was still online and her artificial gravity was still receiving power. A fight with a guardian wouldn't affect just a few systems and it is naive to believe that the designers had all the power systems connected on the same rails. Her weapons system would be segmented as well. Her 10 Onager dorsal Macs and 85 dorsal anti air/space heavies should've been firing all out. 350 archer missile pods, 250 rapier missile pods. 500 howler missile pods, 190 guided missile pods should've been launching all that they had left. These systems don't need human attendance. Her 830 point defense 72 mm guns should've been hammering everything. To state that sensors, shields and weapons were taken out but nothing else? Is really really bad writing.
Try as I may to avoid spoilers for Halo Infinite, my favorite RUclips content creator puts a pretty decent spoiler in the title to one of his video's. Which of course I get a notification for on my phone. Thanks, mate... lol
I commend you for almost two weeks spoiler free lol
It's been out for nearly two weeks. This is on you honestly
I mean it's halo, can't expect a ship to last that long right?
@@Spartan-sz7km how exactly do you figure that? I've avoided all social media because I know my wife ( she doesn't know that I know ) is getting me Infinite and am Xbox Series X for Christmas. This was spoiled by a notification from RUclips. I didn't seek it out.
You poor baby. Should we legislate some laws and censor content creators harder for you?
The idea seem plausible but I would like to put a twist on it, the banish ships were temporarily disable by the guardian and then the infinity arrive they fought and won the battle and celebrate.
The banish we're able to get a ship online and seeing that the infinity was weaken, attacked causing the crew to scramble to see what is attacking them and best strategy but by the time they engage the ship the other ships came back and strike them bringing it down.
A personal reason the ship and ring disappear is the infinity drive was hit causing a black hole like slip space dragging everything near it to a new location which is why (I got this vibe not sure) the banish were in fighting some what with the leader at the time wanting to have "fun" with master chief instead of figuring out where they were
You all have to finish the campaign on Legendary and see the after credits scene. . . I don't wanna spoil shit but it's insane. Go play it!
The fact cortana and infinity were off screened is absolutely unforgivable. I'm a lifelong halo fan and this almost makes me wanna just walk away from the series. These things shouldn't be left to interpretation.
Pump the breaks on writing the game off, this isn't the end of the Campaign, Campaign DLC's are coming out which could shed light on everything, this halo game is different compared to the others, they're sorta following the same style as Destiny, releasing the main Campaign then DLC's to expand.
I prefer my theory that cortana was already theee with the guardian, as soon as infinity warped in, thr guardian fired an EMP pulse, shutting down the infinity
Lasky says "i dont care what it takes, engines, lights, even shields! Just get them MAC guns operational!" In ehich the officer intentionally prioritised turning the guns back online opposed to the shields
As soon as the guns were back up, they shot and destroyed the guardian, immedietly following lasky saying "get everything back online ASAP!" In which, naturally, shields would have been prioritised
But before they could re-engage the shields the banished showed up and started to shred the infinity
Lasky, knowing this is a defeat, bellowed out "ROLAND! i dont care what it takes, the MILISECOND we get the shields back up, get us out of here!"
its a very solid theory. and it would make sense in an overall tactical setting
While the theory does make some sense, a bit of the context surrounding the events preceding Infinite is missing. It's stated in the game that Cortana wasn't on that ring, in fact the ring we saw previously in Halo 5 was Installation 09/04C from Halo Wars 2. Installation 07/Zeta Halo wasn't touched by Cortana. Or at the very least, she wasn't there for some time. She might've been there previously, as hinted at during some of the games story beats where she talks with the installations monitor. But what really led to Infinite's events was the Infinity delivering The Weapon to Zeta Halo, planting her there as a lure. She possessed a copy of the activation index, or fragments of it, as well as having a similar signal to Cortana due to their shared origins. This caught Cortana and the Created's attention and Cortana personally went to Zeta Halo to confront Weapon. It was here that Weapon's trap closed shut on Cortana. The Guardian was likely Cortana's personal one, and without Cortana to control it, it either moved on its own or crashed down onto Zeta Halo. Or perhaps a third possibility, there was more than one AI aboard, so when Cortana was locked down the other took control. This scenario or the first one with it moving autonomously would work with this theory. The Infinity would need to leave Zeta Halo's area before Cortana arrived, otherwise her attention would be focused on it instead. When they received the signal from Weapon that Cortana had been captured, Infinity jumped into Slipspace.
Something to keep in mind is that in the book Shadows of Reach, the Infinity was extremely careful not to draw the Created's attention. Not only because they needed time, but because, and this is a big point, the Infinity CAN'T fight the Guardians. Even its four Super MAC's wouldn't take out a Guardian. It only poked a hole in the Mantle's Approach, barely an inconvenience. Granted, it was probably the EMP they feared most, but it's a reason they would never engage a Guardian head on. It's actually implied in the game that the Banished ambushed the Infinity IMMEDIATELY after it exited Slipspace. There would likely be signs of a Slipspace rupture, especially one that big, and the Banished knew it would be coming. So they wanted around the area it was likely to exit at. It's also possible that shields were down while in transit, either because they needed to be(Not likely) or simply because they expected zero resistance so why have them up? The most likely answer of course is just that, for plot reasons, they were down. No real explanation. They needed to be down so that the Banished could ambush the ship and take it out fast. When you really think about it, it wasn't a very good plan. If it's shields had been up, as you would expect them to be, the ships probably would've bounced off of each other at worst given the Dreadnoughts size. The Covenant Remnant vessel was tiny with far weaker shields, so no wonder the shields flickered, broke, and the ship was obliterated. But the Dreadnoughts are large enough that that wouldn't happen, especially with them doing the ramming. But the Infinity's shields are Forerunner strength, so they wouldn't break under the pressure from the Dreadnoughts. So if the Infinity's shields had been up, Escharum's plan would've been a wash. He basically got lucky, but then bragged about it.
There’s a simpler answer that doesn’t involve the Guardian: the Banished _did_ actually have the firepower to drop the Infinity’s shields, just not in the way you think.
Infinite introduces us to Jiralhanae Shock weaponry, technology that is designed to *disable shields and vehicles.* Also, in Halo: Envoy, it’s mentioned that Brutes enjoy overloading their ships with armor plating and simply charging at enemy vessels.
So, the Banished likely fitted their vessels with ship-sized Shock Rifles, began the battle by disabling the Infinity’s shields at range, then slammed straight into it as a final insult.
As for the Infinity’s fate? Well, the last person we actually see aboard the Infinity is Atriox, and the last person we see in the game 6 months later is a not-dead Atriox. I assume that the two events are related.
Lets be honest, UNSC Infinity fell because fans didnt like the Infinity in general, and although quite a few people like the ship now, their opinions didnt matter. 343 listens to the loudest voices, so they curbstomped the Infinity (and possibly the entire Created) in the most quickest, and anticlimactic way possible.
There is still possibly a way to salvage this, though. What if in a future Halo Infinite Campaign, we find the crash-site of the Infiity, and instead of blowing it up for the sake of nostalgically-mimicking Halo CE (which is a game I like) we use a Forerunner Upgrade-Seed to repair the Infinity?
Nah Halo 4 and 5 still suck major balls. So they removed the infinity with all the trash character of those two games. Thank God. Now we can finally move on with this franchise. Here is your dose of reality.
Who hates the infinity?
Sad but true about the subject of louder opinions being what is often heeded and not those more thought out.
I do hope we get DLC expanding on the fate of the ship and how to repair it.
Infinity wasn't hated, people just thought it was too overpowered to keep around for a "humanity on the backfoot again" storyline. Plus of you remember the Halo 5 teasers had the Infinity crippled over a planet that Locke and Chief fought on, so the ship was originally slated to be canned before the disaster we got was made.
@@requiemagent3014 halo 4 and 5 nine months later/🤰
Ok I am sorry for saying this but I just love the sound the Master Chief makes as Atriox is swing him around like a rag doll. And the reason why is because you can hear just how heavy the armor the master chief is wearing.
I figured they concentrate shields to the front when they ram. Infinity took the full hit because their shields were taxed by being attacked from all sides.
The near-instant fall of the Infinity and the one-sided beatdown of Chief, at least to me, just seems a bit silly and plot-armor-ish for the Banished, no matter how the situation is. Luckily though, the UNSC Eternity is (probably) more or less finished, unless ofcourse it's been retconned.