One of the best debate. Thank you Sir Yasir and Sir Ahsan. I completely agree with Sir Yasir's perspective that the role of the establishment is crucial in a country like Pakistan, especially considering the initial absence of strong democratic leadership.I believe the role of the Establishment is essential in certain state domains, but interference in democratic principles is neither justified nor acceptable. While it is true that democratic leaders may falter at times, democracy remains the system that ultimately serves the people and the state. It is through the will of the people, expressed via their votes, that these leaders are held accountable and given the mandate to govern again. And the Establishment should play its part in safeguarding national interests but must avoid overstepping into areas reserved for elected representatives. Strengthening democracy requires allowing political leaders to make mistakes, learn, and grow through accountability by the people, not by external interference. Regards, Muneeb Haider.
Is there a role of establishment in general elections of Pakistan? As you mentioned that they are our representatives in parliament that we elected. In my opinion as a citizen i think our right to vote doesn't matter in elections anymore, all members are already selected.
It was such an insightful podcast,we will wish to have an another podcast on the same topic by some beaureacrat or some government body.Thanks to both of you.
You guys said that Establishment is a group made by different kind of people including ,Army officers, politicians and many more. Yes! you are absolutely right but your statment is true for other countries not for pakistan, Establisment in pakistan is Pak Army no other group.
In all developed countries of the world like the USA establishment does play a role but different power houses are in a certain proportion. No power house dominates the others. In the case of Pakistan eatblishment is army and army have no sense of what their involvement has resulted in the derailing of democracy. If the army does have a sense of it then the history is replete with such cases.
Mai jab bhi koi lecture ya important discussion sunta hu nujhe bhool jata hai aur agey reference ke tor par implement nahi kar sakta. Kindly share your opinion on this
Currently situation the Pakistan politics hitting to each others Pakistani politics policy's have no rules and regulation not elected members keep in parliament but unfortunately selected members keep in parliament
Pakistan's establishment don't apprehend regarding the social deprivation, economic disparity, political elitism, and clientelistic politics instead of ensuring inclusivity, justice, safety etc.
Wow..subhan Allah... Education aor democracy ka koi relation nhi hai... Mujhay tu Bhai bhi sasta elite lagta hai... Jo education k Haq mein nhi hai... Bhai uneducated banda apnay rights and duties nhi Janta... Wo ghalt aor Sahi mein Kesy farq krey ga.... Illm wslay aor jahil brarber nhi ho saktay.. 😊
O bhai yeh thori kaha he k education or achi zindagi ka koi talluq nai he. Democracy hoti apni marzi se numainda chunna. Us k liay education ki nai balke choice ki zarurat hoti he, education nai hogi tab bhi choice ho sakti he. Uneducated banda apnay rights or duties nai janta isi liay ese hi banday ko vote kre ga. Is wajah se us k vote ka haq nai cheen skte. Umeed he samjh agai hogi.
One of the best debate. Thank you Sir Yasir and Sir Ahsan.
I completely agree with Sir Yasir's perspective that the role of the establishment is crucial in a country like Pakistan, especially considering the initial absence of strong democratic leadership.I believe the role of the Establishment is essential in certain state domains, but interference in democratic principles is neither justified nor acceptable. While it is true that democratic leaders may falter at times, democracy remains the system that ultimately serves the people and the state. It is through the will of the people, expressed via their votes, that these leaders are held accountable and given the mandate to govern again.
And the Establishment should play its part in safeguarding national interests but must avoid overstepping into areas reserved for elected representatives. Strengthening democracy requires allowing political leaders to make mistakes, learn, and grow through accountability by the people, not by external interference.
Regards,
Muneeb Haider.
Thoughts appreciated Muneeb!
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I Always learn from ur debates
Exactly our politician are Soo weak to handle the crises of Pakistan, that leads towards establishment interference
Is there a role of establishment in general elections of Pakistan? As you mentioned that they are our representatives in parliament that we elected. In my opinion as a citizen i think our right to vote doesn't matter in elections anymore, all members are already selected.
Excellent Ahsan Tariq Sb
It was such an insightful podcast,we will wish to have an another podcast on the same topic by some beaureacrat or some government body.Thanks to both of you.
stand with sir AHSAN TARIQ on many points
100% Agreed with Ahsan Tariq
Glad to hear sir Ahsan
Waiting patiently!!
Great sir! It was precious discussion.
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Need another episode on how that lost space can be taken back politically
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How 'll you define establishment please?
Amazing video.
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A good analysis by Sir Ahsan
Sir Ahsan Tariq is a great analyst. We learn a lot by his research
Amazing debate
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You guys said that Establishment is a group made by different kind of people including ,Army officers, politicians and many more. Yes! you are absolutely right but your statment is true for other countries not for pakistan, Establisment in pakistan is Pak Army no other group.
That would be naive to think that only military is in the establishment of Pakistan.
In all developed countries of the world like the USA establishment does play a role but different power houses are in a certain proportion. No power house dominates the others. In the case of Pakistan eatblishment is army and army have no sense of what their involvement has resulted in the derailing of democracy. If the army does have a sense of it then the history is replete with such cases.
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Mai jab bhi koi lecture ya important discussion sunta hu nujhe bhool jata hai aur agey reference ke tor par implement nahi kar sakta.
Kindly share your opinion on this
Please jot down important points , and keep revising,
What is uni directional thinking which always puts a country in the marsh of challenges 🤔 --- signs for those who have constrictive wisdom 😮😅
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what if we say establishment is contingent to state?
There are a lot of states, are they all contingent to estab ?
In here establishment is Pakistan army?
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Sir hamary mulk ki establishment hy aor others ki b hy lakin oen k halaat hamary jasy nhi hein? Agr establishment control kr rhi hy tu.
Currently situation the Pakistan politics hitting to each others
Pakistani politics policy's have no rules and regulation not elected members keep in parliament but unfortunately selected members keep in parliament
you said state strong hoti ha or insan weak , kia logon k bina state exists kr skti ha?
Nai kr skti. But individual insan weak hota he or state ek collective hoti he.
Astagfirullah Establishment ke Neyat achi hote hai sir Ahsan 😅
"ho Sakta he" ka word use kia he
Pakistan's establishment don't apprehend regarding the social deprivation, economic disparity, political elitism, and clientelistic politics instead of ensuring inclusivity, justice, safety etc.
Mujy nafrat hogye ya alfaaz sun sun ki . Pakistan ma aj Kal yahi sun na ko milta hai 😮
Wow..subhan Allah... Education aor democracy ka koi relation nhi hai... Mujhay tu Bhai bhi sasta elite lagta hai... Jo education k Haq mein nhi hai... Bhai uneducated banda apnay rights and duties nhi Janta... Wo ghalt aor Sahi mein Kesy farq krey ga.... Illm wslay aor jahil brarber nhi ho saktay.. 😊
O bhai yeh thori kaha he k education or achi zindagi ka koi talluq nai he. Democracy hoti apni marzi se numainda chunna. Us k liay education ki nai balke choice ki zarurat hoti he, education nai hogi tab bhi choice ho sakti he.
Uneducated banda apnay rights or duties nai janta isi liay ese hi banday ko vote kre ga. Is wajah se us k vote ka haq nai cheen skte.
Umeed he samjh agai hogi.
2 imrandos discussing establishment.
So one day before, they saw @syed muzammil official videos.
Bhai ye hafta pehle record hoti he phir lagti he
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