Time To Think Outside The Box
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
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Today's puzzle is a very unusual one for the channel. It has a perfect rating on Logic Masters but, to solve the sudoku, you must first solve the riddle of why the lines are the shape they are in each of the 3x3 sudoku boxes! The sudoku is by ZegreS and JeremyDover and it's absolutely gorgeous - if you can solve the riddle that is :)
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There is a secret reason behind each shape in these sudoku boxes. The shape in box 5 is missing and solvers must fill in this shape to start. [If you can't work out this part, check the video description for a spoiler.] Normal sudoku rules apply. On gold "entropic" lines, every three adjacent digits consist of a low (1-3), medium (4-6) and high (7-9) digit. Each purple "renban" line connects a set of non-repeating, consecutive digits (which can appear in any order). Solvers must determine the type of line in box 5 (renban or entropic). White dots join consecutive digits. Black dots join digits in a 1:2 ratio. Not all dots are given.
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** SPOILER **
The riddle's solution is to realise that each box contains the bottom part of the "digital clock" number corresponding to that box. eg box 6 contains the bottom part of a 6 on a digital clock. So box 5 must have the bottom part of the digit 5...
I am very happy too see my Riddle Sudokus get featured!
Thanks for another great solve!
I also wanted to thank JeremyDover for helping me set this and to him and Raumplaner for coming up with Entropic lines - which worked so well here.
Nice puzzle! Thanks! Форму линии быстро понял, а вот дальше было тяжко. Больше часа потратил. Ошибся, правда, на одной энтропийной с чередованием. Но это всего на 2-3 минуты бы ускорило. 1:10:55.
Hey ZegreS. You and Jeremy absolutely made a masterpiece here. Congrats to the wonderful concept.
Poor Simon was struggling for so long to determine if that box 5 cell was a 3 or a 6, completely ignoring the uncolored 2 in that box.
I got the "riddle" fairly quickly, then took ages to gain any traction on the rest of the puzzle. Well worth the effort, though; this was a fantastic solve once I figured out how to make some headway. The entropic lines seem so feeble at first, it's quite a fun surprise how powerful they turn out to be.
I literally figured out the shape and color of Box 5 before he finished reading the rules. As he read "there's a reason behind each shape in each Box" I thought maybe each shape depended on the number of the box it was in and that literally was the answer! 😁 Also, you have to "think outside each box" to "see" the number... brilliant! Love it! (I figured the color would follow the pattern of all the other odd boxes and be Entropic.)
i got a rotated version of the correct answer. i figured that i needed to add the vertical entropic lines in 1 and 7 to the ones in 3 and 9 to make a “whole box”. i then broke off the vertical half the renban in box 4 and asked what did i need to finish the box with a horizontal top piece? the answer ends up being a rotated version of the actual answer and it looks like a U
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 I tried that approach as well. This is the problem with "guess what I was thinking" as a basis for a task, question or riddle, if you are not lucky to think about the same thing it can be near impossible.
Yeah thanks I needed that. Not a big fan of this type of riddle but if you've got the head for it I can't complain. Never would have come up with it on my own.
One thing to consider is that patterns like these are used very much in "IQ" tests. You are supposed to find various ways that lines, shapes and colours are rotated, added, deleted and otherwise modified. The rules are simple once you spot the pattern, even if it can be hard to apply them correctly.
Without a solid hint, this task is actually impossible, because there is a countably infinite amount of rules that create this set of patterns.
Beautiful puzzle and solve. At playback time 14:53 Simon missed this nice piece of logic:
Within box *4,* column *3* requires low *(L),* mid *(M)* and high *(H)* digits. We know that
*L = 3,* and
*M = 4* or *6*
We also know that both *L* and *M* must be on the black dots, hence they cannot be *3* and *6❗* Otherwise, they would break *column 3,* by forcing both the black dots to contain *3* and *6.*
Hence,
*M = 4*
I love you Simon! I usually try the puzzles, and did give this a go for a few minutes. But it's been such a rough few weeks that I just needed to watch someone clever figure things out this time.
Question: why did the renban in box 2 need to be missing either 1 and 2 or 8 and 9? Why couldn’t it have just missed out 1 and 9?
I was thinking the same thing.
Good point. The answer to your question is "because I'm an idiot" and didn't think of it! Fortunately it doesn't matter here because I get the 2 in box 2 first - at which point 1 must also be off the line.
I was really hoping for 1 and 9 to be off the renban. Would have loved to see how Simon would have reacted to that.
@@MoD366 I would imagine a good 10 minutes of "oh I broke it".
@@CrackingTheCryptic to me, what made this work was at 17:50 when you claim the line in box 5 is entropic because the digits of the line are from 1288 in row 5, that is still the case if 1 and 9 are of the line... I was kinda hoping this would come back to haunt, but the rest of the solve was beautiful
I 've had absolutely no idea for the green line in box 5, so I used Simon's jump-start and then solved the puzzle. It was very adventurous and I enjoyed it extensively.
34:50 ... took me about a minute to figure the riddle out; the rest was for the solve. And a fine solve it was!
Nice puzzle!
Loved the entropic rule, and how that then interacts with other rules.
Entropic lines and modular lines (similar, but with 1/4/7, 2/5/8 and 3/6/9 instead of 1/2/3, 4/5/6, 7/8/9) are quite popular on the discord server too! I'm surprised there haven't been more solved on the channel. Once you get used to coloring them (I use green/yellow/red for entropic's low/medium/high, and red/yellow/blue for modular since these are the 7, 8 and 9 'keys' of the app respectively once you flip to the color mode), they are quite easy to get your head around!
Three of us tried to solve this one and eventually gave up and watched your solve instead. Completely flummoxed us.
Evening, chaps - get some sleep :)
Great puzzle, great solve. Did not manage to solve the riddle, but after I managed to solve it slowly but steadily for a change. Thanks to the constructors and thanks to Simon.
Rules: 02:48
Puzzle Solved: 37:40
What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?!
The Secret: 3x (02:34, 06:51, 37:55)
Bobbins: 1x (19:00)
Goodliffing: 1x (15:43)
Cooking with Gas: 1x (33:40)
And how about this video's Simarkisms?!
Beautiful: 10x (13:54, 13:56, 17:07, 20:59, 22:00, 22:56, 27:50, 35:38, 37:43, 38:42)
Obviously: 7x (02:23, 09:15, 12:24, 24:43, 35:01, 35:56, 36:29)
Ah: 7x (13:36, 20:22, 20:54, 22:12, 24:33, 25:20, 26:31)
By Sudoku: 6x (26:04, 26:08, 27:09, 34:02, 34:09, 36:23)
Good Grief: 3x (29:32, 36:21, 36:23)
Nature: 3x (27:29, 32:43, 38:37)
Sorry: 2x (08:21, 33:23)
Gorgeous: 2x (30:53, 38:32)
Hang On: 2x (05:44, 30:50)
I've Got It!: 2x (26:31, 26:31)
In Fact: 2x (04:08, 13:36)
Wow: 2x (16:45, 16:46)
Pencil Mark/mark: 2x (15:45, 23:51)
Apologies: 1x (00:52)
I Have no Clue: 1x (16:46)
Brilliant: 1x (04:45)
Take a Bow: 1x (39:09)
Approachable: 1x (02:17)
Progress: 1x (11:43)
What Does This Mean?: 1x (06:41)
That's Huge: 1x (25:41)
Cake!: 1x (01:42)
Most popular digit and colour this video:
Three, Four (70 mentions)
Black (20 mentions)
Antithesis Battles:
High (25) - Low (25)
Even (5) - Odd (1)
Outside (5) - Inside (1)
Black (20) - White (5)
Column (7) - Row (0)
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20:07 for me. So happy to see another one of these riddles featured on the channel, I love them!!
Riddle was instant for me, but getting started afterwards was a bit trickier!
I think a year or two ago, this puzzle would have been assumed to be a joke. Even after you find the line, it surely doesn't look like it could possibly be solved, and it was really pretty straightforward and fun. Sudoku has come a long way, and I credit a lot of that progress with the existence of CTC.
33:22 finish. It took me a minute to get the riddle, but I worked on box 4 while thinking, allowing me to place the 7 within a few seconds. Another wonderful puzzle and solve!
Yeah, one didn't need the riddle to place the 7 and get the range of the renban. I was able to place the 57 pair in blocks 5 and 6 as well. I never got the riddle.
Getting the Kropki in col 3 is the key. How clever are the people that set such puzzles?
It's so funny that Simon always says in the end: "Don't be deadly pattern." But he knows that the puzzle has a unique solution because the playtesters has screened it. So it cannot ever have a deadly pattern.
Really enjoyed this puzzle, it unfolded so beautifully starting with the riddle. Thank you.
I got the riddle even before reading the title, which actually has two hints in it. This didn't help me much to progress further, though.
9:33 "I need to work out what the bottom of a five looks like in digital clock world" - Don't people nowadays have digital clocks anymore? No clock in your room (or in at your wrist) to look at?
17:08 [if box 5 had a Renban line, we had 5 digits needing to be 1289 in row 5] - I think an easier (for me) way of seeing this is to look where 5 and 7 can go in line 5 (there are only two places, one of which is r5c5, which excludes the Renban).
(This took me a very long time, because I just couldn't resolve the alignments of the entropic lines. Somehow Simon got there quite fast.)
"Don't people nowadays have digital clocks anymore? No clock in your room (or in at your wrist) to look at?" - most digital clocks have an actual full screen nowadays (basically just little tablets that only have a clock app), and use actual fonts to display the time. The same is true of most electronic watches (otherwise you'd just use a proper analog watch) and tablets/computers. The digital font is a thing of the past, pretty much.
@@andrewsparkes6275 "The digital font is a thing of the past", how ironic. The more we go to the future, the more we go back to monke.
Box 5 having an entropic line was obvious to me from the moment I knew the lines in the boxes are the bottoms of their counterpart on a digital clock. All the given odd numbers give an entropic line and all the even even ones a renban. So the bottom of the 5 would be an entropic line. I loved that that pattern clicked basically immediately in my head. That was fun
Yes this. I did not get the riddle part but once Simon did the heavy lifting on that the 5 being odd was screaming at me. So I was screaming at Simon everytime he said if it was a renban line......
It was a simple enough pattern of odd-even, entropic-Renban, but I actually really like that there is a way to prove through Sudoku that the line must be entropic. In the rules it says that there is a "reason for the shape" and the "line type must be determined" that is what Simon did.
@@zegres Agreed. I unfortunately also leapt to the assumption that it must be an entropic line, based on the pattern, and now I feel a little sad that I missed the neat 1289 logic that proved it couldn't be a renban.
@@zegres true. Maybe it's different of you go into the video having decided to not give the puzzle a try.
But to me the word determine also can be applied to my method.
It's not like that one time where I did try a puzzle he did in a video and at some point was like: this has to be an eight (or another digit) just by gut feeling. I just assumed my head saw something subconsciously that my conscious brain missed because that happens with other things too.
And the digit was correct. I never broke the puzzle and loved it when I got to see the logic play out.
At least this time I saw logic and didn't do gut feeling.
I didn't get the riddle. I was stuck by the idea, it might be like an intelligent test, where you have to find the missing figure and tried mirroring shapes, rotation, subtraction, counting occupied cells. I saw 1C?, 7x0, 10? and am totally buffled, how many solvers found that pattern. I guess I could have spent weeks, searching further.
With the hint, it took me, as usual, still a long time, found the 57-pair in row 5 more early and it took me another path to find the 8s in the central box. But after the break in, it nicely accelerated. :) A very nice puzzle and many thanks for the spoiler!
Was able to do it in 43:27. I got the riddle almost immediately, but determining the type of line in box 5, then working through the puzzle I kept missing some (in hindsight) obvious things that really slowed down my time. Very cool puzzle, though!
Happy birthday to..
ME
[I had a sleeve of Ritz crackers and 5 slices of provolone -- TWICE]
So, happy birthday to me
[Because mine sucked]
Happy birthday though
[And, Happy Anniversary yesterday to someone else]
Cheers
Happy Birthday Steve - hopefully more enjoyable next year. (Although cheese & crackers sound good - particularly when paired with 🍷)
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Thanks
[Had it with coffee -- the nectar of the Gods -- although, your wine sure is , too for You lol]
Thanks 😂☕☕
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42:05 for me, solving the riddle almost immediately. I love seven-segment displays. 🙂
omg i just spent 2 hours on this puzzle only to get a contradiction, realised it was because I did the beginning wrong, I solved the puzzle correctly, just forgot which way you draw a 5 :'(
Brilliant puzzle once again. This is truly the golden age of Sudoku.
Nine minutes I think you are right. I just looking at shapes guessed a yellow backwards c. Glad to know just eyeballing the other shapes and thinking there was a pattern of lines ... I am glad you have better reasoning.
"We did it" ... Thank you Simon for including me in your thanks though I really wasn't much help.
Because I have a riddle involving the shape of the numbers that I use quite often, as soon as you mentioned that the lines may be a number, I saw that it would be the bottom of 1 to 9.
The riddle with the shape of the numbers is interesting because it is international, it does not rely on the language of the people, so I can use it with anybody.
Thanks Simon.
As a horologist that has had to rewire seven-segment displays from scratch on a breadboard (a certain someone at college had a VERY loud alarm clock that drew the ire of the lacrosse team), I got the riddle in a few minutes. The Sudoku puzzle afterward, not so much. I decided that all Renban lines were German Whispers.
Edit: The breadboard, LCD, wires, and Boolean gates came from the college Circuitry Lab supplies. I think almost all of the parts were on the verge of being thrown out anyway; the frankenstein'd result was an eyesore prone to tipping over, but the guy was glad to have his alarm clock semi-functioning again.
Great puzzle!
I was almost sure I wouldn't be able to solve the riddle but I gave myself the benefit of doubt and tried it anyway, basically giving it some thought while checking the logic in the external boxes to see if the interactions with the center box would give me some clue (which they clearly didn't) and then out of nowhere I solved the riddle.
Fun stuff.
Such a cool puzzle. The riddle alone was cool but then there were so many beautiful deductions thereafter, especially with the entropy lines. Great solving too, I know I pointed out that one thing in another comment but still great solve!!
42m22s. I got the riddle easily enough, but it took me a while to start reasoning correctly about the entropy lines
100 minutes, but I did it! Loved this puzzle.
I'm terrible at sudoku, but got the number riddle almost immediately by numbering the boxes in my head and making that link. Don't worry Simon. I still have you and Mark down as my goto demonstration of genius.
My 10 year old loves doing the puzzles! Thank you for your puzzles
54:33 for me, though I needed a hint on the secret part...I jumped right into the puzzle, and worked out that it was an entropy line, but the shapes weren't clicking...oops. But I did love the puzzle!
Some nice logic here. I vaguely recalled seeing this puzzle done somewhere before so had a headstart on the riddle - not sure if I would have got it otherwise.
26:50 - r4c5 was already an 8 because of the 56 pair in box 4 - and the 189 triple has been there since the 2 was placed in box 5.
Got the riddle in 6 minutes... and another 49 for the puzzle 😆. I need to seriously get back to play more sudokus!
Entropic limes are cool.. more please... :-)
Look up some Sudokus by Raumplaner and Jeremydover they have set some amazing ones.
0:00 -- I was able to place a 7 and a range on the renban in block 4, at the left. I also penciled a few other things. I was able to figure out the nature of the middle line, but I finally gave up on the shape, and went to the other link where the shape was shown. Now that I'm stumped, I'm starting the video.
5:00 -- Begin with column 3. One can get some info all the lines. (Placing a 7, for example.)
15:00 -- I hope that the middle riddle was solved. In any case, I got the block-4 renban before attempting (in vain) the riddle.
16:10 -- R3C3 can't have a 3, because of the 3s below. See what happens with 5s and 7s in blocks 5 and 6.
24:00 -- Where can 57 go in row 5?
25:50 -- Thanks for ruling out 12 pairs from both dominoes. I was able to fill them now.
27:40 -- The 19 disambiguation -- another obvious thing I missed.
Thanks for the puzzle, and thanks for the version with block 5's line entered. I could never have figured out that those shapes were (what they were).
Amazing puzzle! I got the riddle immediately. So easy. Then it took me about 10 minutes to see the...Spoiler:
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columns 3 and 9. :) From there the puzzle opens up and is a quick solve.
Very nice puzzle. It took me a while to get the riddle. It was only when I looked at the title that the penny dropped. I found it surprisingly easy once the riddle was solved and the type of line was determined. I've not watched the video yet, but given how my success depended on scanning, and properly examining the effects of each placement, I anticipate this being a struggle for Simon.
Edit: I've now watched the video. Apart from being a tad slow to spot that R5C6 couldn't be 3 because of the 2 in the box, not too bad today from Simon.
I used the second link and started with the box 5 shape already revealed. 38:04
Wow, finding the start pattern is quite hard and it's nearly took half of my solving time. A total of 50.4min is quite a long trip to destination. I found the 'entropic' lines has quite strong power to eliminate digits.
25:40 for me. i started the sudoku without the line, at 13 minutes i was stuck and because im very very stupid at analogies i just had to put the line in using the other link. then it got solved easily
You got a bit lucky in box 2. A seven cell renban can be made 2345678 and be missing a 19.
46:17 for me - that was a weird puzzle.
I never would have solved the riddle on my own. Never. How on earth did anyone spot it?
49:13 took me too long to figure out that beginning
Happy birthday Ella!
25:18 this time - fun riddle
Completed in 18m28s (including the riddle).
HAPPY weekend
Boxes 1-3 are the lower half of digital 1, 2, and 3. Boxes 4-9 are digital 7, 8, and 9. Digital 4,5, and 6 are missing which should give the missing color. I'm just describing what I'm seeing. Don't know if that is right yet ...
There've been a lot of these intra-box clue puzzles lately. Funny, I never would've clocked that as a puzzle trend but here we are
What do you mean exactly? 🤔
*Kropkies* here are not intra-box. And the riddle requires "outside-the-box" thinkng.
@@Paolo_De_Leva yeah but the primary clues were clearly set per box, and that's what we've been seeing a lot of. In fact, the very name of the puzzle is directing you to not think of the puzzle this way, implying that you probably would've otherwise because it's a trend
@@z-beeblebrox I have not noticed a trend, bit I will pay attention in the future. Thanks for pointing it out.
By the way, new trends on CtC include lots of extra *regions* or snakes to be determined by the solver, or *equal sum lines,* which are not intra-box logic.
That was hard! 1:10:55 for me.
I’m curious how many puzzles there are out there which you attempted but couldn’t solve. You should post them anyway, maybe on a separate account!
Would have been funny if the center box was a German or Dutch Whispers line - or a Magic Square.
It took me about 3 minutes to figure out the pattern.
I'll stop there and call it a win since I didn't even try the rest of the puzzle :)
you wince at 15minutes to get a single digit, but by the standards of difficulty of the puzzles on the channel now that's got to be near average
I took 20mims to get the shape in box 5!
Looks like a fun one
I misunderstood the any order of the renban lines so I gave up after looking at the left 3 cells
Cute. Skipped the "riddle"; thanks for giving that to us. About 45 minutes for me.
The only thing I noticed about the riddle was, that it spells "Cool" in Boxes 2, 4, 6 and 8 and so I was thinking what the hell the "CI ? CI" could be. 😅
this was so hard for me idk why.. 118 minutes 🥲
Question: please someone explain to me why on entropic line in box five (or box 3 and 9) there must be exactly 3 cell distance between low, med & high numbers??? because for example why it can't be a sequence of low, med, high, med, low, med, high???
Because *each* set of consecutive cells must include low, med, and high.
That example includes a run "med, high, med".
@@AndreasMarx thanks for the answer. Because for some reason I thought the rule was indicating that in each column & row of an entropic line, only one of low, med and high numbers can exist which wasn't the case.
I didn't even see that extra rule about the line, lol
Gold line explanation unclear. Is it that the first 3 squares must be the same "parity" (low/middle/high), or that cell 1, 4, 7 would be same parity, 2, 5, 8 would be the same, etc...
I was struggling with this for a while as well. What it means is: every 3 cells that are connected on the line need to have different "parity" (low/middle/high). so : cells 1, 2 & 3 have different parity, cells 2, 3 & 4 have different parity, cells 3, 4, 5 have different parity and so forth till the end of the line. And for this there is only one way: every third cell on the line has the same parity.
Thanks for your comment, I will change the wording a bit if I set another Entropic lines puzzle.
It never ceases to surprise me how hard it is to write unambiguous rules!
Sorry, but I don't see how the current wording is ambiguous.
"...every three adjacent digits consist of A low (1-3), medium (4-6) AND high (7-9) digit [singular]"
For the other interpretation, surely it would have had to say "...every three adjacent digits consist of low (1-3), medium (4-6) OR high (7-9) digitS"
Similar, but not the same.
Simon, I was having trouble understanding here
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If you needed that "3" in column three in box4 [because you don't have it in r4c1&2] then you might as well take the "3" out of r3c3.
Is that why you don't have the 3 on the other parts of that renban in box4 though?
Curious [and wondering -- now with an idea lol ]
Yes, box 4 column 3 requires a high (7, placed), mid and low (3). 6 could never be the mid, as it would make the other digit a 3, which breaks the puzzle, so it has to be 4.
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This solved nice after a while.
Good one.
Why is Simon stating that C ranband in a box must have 12 or 89 pair in unlined cells? Couldn't it be 19 pair?
I think he was just stating the possible digits that could go in those two cells
@@JK7H nah, he just forgot about the possibility that the renban could be 2-8
Didn't Simon solve an entropic line puzzle that had some weights and counter-balance lines?
Simon solved Balance = Entropy by Raumplaner and JeremyDover (who set this puzzle with me) but that was a Patrons video because the Ruleset was pretty complex.
I'm not particularly happy with my time. 52:43 on the version that has the riddle solution.
11:09
done
Oh no, I was thinking of creating sudoku like this... I have also never in my life created a sudoku, so it is all purely theoretical, but how dare you steal the idea that I thought in my little mind! :-D
Sorry about stealing your idea : )
I am well familiar with that feeling.
By the way I have only been setting for 8 months, so I encourage you to try.
@@zegres I do like the idea, but 8 months will not be enough for me :-D
Question: Why do exactly those need to be the same? Wouldnt the combination like for example: L M H , M , L H M also be possible?
In the order you mention the triple of the second, third en fourth digit does not consist of an L-M-H combination which is required.
every three digits need to be different. In your example there is a MHM sequence.
Any sequence of three digits must each consist of one from H, M or L. In your example the first three digits are L, M, H. So the next digit must be L. Position n must always be the same as position n-3.
Yeah I'm not following that either. It seems to me you can put the LMH in different orders and still have it work, no? Box 5 was colored Without knowing the 2 digits missing from the line. Could the line just as easily not have gone (starting from the top, going clockwise) 4,8,1,9,6,3,7. This gives the 3 adjacents groups: MHL, LHM, MLH. Unless previous knowledge is necessary that entropic lines must follow the same pattern. But I didn't see that in the rules.
@@Holmes108 yeah its not LMH digits in row/column, its any 3 digits on the line. So even 2nd,3rd and 4th must be different from each other.
Totally lost on this one. Please help me here, how do we know that the entropic lines follow that pattern? Couldn't box five have been from the top, M H L H M H L and still met the requirements?
Each group of three consecutive cells must have a low, a medium and a high. In your example the second, third, and fourth are H L H, which is not allowed - they must be one of each.
No. Because each consecutive string of three cells had to contain each HML. In your example above, the first three would’ve been fine (MHL), but you encounter a problem for your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cell because you have it as HLH in your example.
If that’s confusing, the other way to consider it is that the rule doesn’t state that the three have to be all in the same row or all in the same column. So, when it bends at an L shape, all three of the cells on that shape need different entropy.
If you need an entropic lines primer , Bremster has at least one on his channel , and might still have a puzzle pack of them as well.
@@shellmichael9665 ok!, I get it. I was thinking of each line as separate. I see it now. Thank you
@@steve470 I get it now, thank you
Nice solve! The puzzle annoys me a bit, though. How do box 3 and box 6 make a digital 6? Box 3 is backwards for that... I'd have gone for digits too, if it wasn't clearly wrong.
That's because the boxes only represent the bottom half of their respective digits. In other words, box 3 is the bottom half of the digit 3, and box 6 is the bottom half of the digit 6.
To put that another way, each 3x3 box has an invisible two extra tiles above it that contain the rest of the digital number. Try taking each box from 4 to 9 and, ignoring the lines in the box above it, highlight the shape you see there and the squares in the two (not three, two) rows above it that you would need to make it look like the proper number as shown on a digital clock. It should work for all of them. It also works for boxes 1 through 3, but you can't as easily just highlight tiles to show it since it would go off the edge of the board.
In other words, each number is a 5x3 drawing that's cut off by the box above it.
That's not what the riddle solution at the bottom says.
ah, I see, thanks. I thought the way Simon was solving it was based on the boxes above as well, since his examples were mainly with boxes 1-5 where that holds. Each entry being the bottom half-digit makes more sense.
I honestly wouldn't mind it if you posted a failed solve, it wouldn't make me think any less of you, and it would be encouraging to me in my own failures.
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I got the initial riddle within a few minutes, for what it's worth.
The initial "puzzle" must have dozens of alternative solutions, and the intended one is probably not even in the most plausible top 10. Complete nonsense.
The shape in box 4 greatly limits the number of solutions. What other solutions did you think of?
Can you provide a short explanation along with your ten more likely solutions? I’m sure they would spark ideas for more puzzles.
Keep in mind the title of the puzzle is part of the riddle so any alternative solutions would have to work with that too.
I must say that I did not come up with this riddle (just like my other riddle sudokus), but I did alter it slightly.
I have tried very hard to make sure there were not plausible alternate solutions.
It is of course possible that I missed some, so please provide one, instead of just claiming that there are dozens.
@@zegres I think someone's annoyed he couldn't solve the riddle 😂.
It was a good riddle.