@@robotoxthepaperimagination Was riding downhill after heavy rain (recently started riding so no experience) and slid right through 1 small and 1 bigger junction. Thank the cars were 10m away. Rear brake would not engage and have never used the front one. Will surely do after this event though.
This is incredibly helpful. I'm actually just using my commuter bike, but have quite steep hills near my house. So it's helpful to know the proper braking for when I pick up lots of speed going downhill. Thanks!!!
Back in the early days of disc brakes on cars, just the front wheels got disc brakes. There was a reason for that. Nowadays, all four wheels get the disc brakes, but look at the wheels of any car, the front wheels will be dirtier. That's because the brake pads are getting worn quicker. There's a reason for that, too, and it's the same reason: the front wheels do most of the stopping. Bikes are no different in this regard.
I hit both brakes on yesterday, I am sure equally simultaneously, I wasn't even going fast, on a flat road, and went head over heels, albeit not at any great speed. I hovered at 45 degrees for a moment and then tumbled to the side. But if I can topple over going at 5 mph it doesn't give much confidence going at high speed. Fork suspension was off, I think, I never have it on when on flat or going up.
I need to make another video about brake modulation. Grabbing the brakes too quickly can definitely result in what happened to you and it's easy to do. Thanks for the idea!
It's a misconception that we need larger front rotors. Brake fade is more of an issue in the rear because of a build up of heat from long braking. So actually having a larger rotor in the back can help to dissipate heat more quickly. Yes most of our stopping power comes from the front, but we use the rear more continuously, building up heat and decreasing the brakes effectiveness.
I agree with you about having a nice big rotor in the back as well. I usually put the same size on the front and back. The more stopping power the better. I was just explaining the reasoning behind why you see larger rotors in front. Although nowadays bike companies have it figured out and usually both the same size on both. Thanks for your comment.
Once upon a time i was riding downhill for the first time and used the front break and i had like the strongest brakes ever my life flashed through my eyes and i literary got K. Oed for 2mins and that's the story of how i realised i have anxiety. Yep oh and also that i needed to learn how to use the brakes properly
Thought that was Laie Pt !! Born n raised in Kailua but live in Hood River, N most Oregon in the Columbia River Gorge whewe the riding is OFF DA HOOK !! Good specifics for braking right ! Been doing it all kukai for a long time ! Got a utube chnl -Garth Hardin, to see some of the trails n features in Post Canyon - couple miles outside town. Ride Jump or Wither !! Jeriatric Jump Club !! Mahalos !!
Yup, Laie Point. Not a bad place for a pretty background! I heard the riding is amazing out there but haven't had a chance to visit yet! Mahalo for the comment!
using front brake will also impact your cornering, less grip will be available to corner and it will make the bike straighten up more. front to slow before a corner, rear to maintain or adjust speed through corners
"front to slow before a corner, rear to maintain or adjust speed through corners" is absolutely spot on. Braking is a bit different whether it's on loose dirt, in a corner, on off camber etc. Really need videos for how to practice it in different scenarios.
Big front smaller is good for up and down trails but I have a different thinking. I think if any it will have to be both the same if not bigger in the rear for long steep DH as we only use the front when we really need to slow down but we drag the rear most of the time and they do get hot if not hotter than the front?
Thanks for the comment. I agree and I love that nowadays bikes are shipping with big rotors front and back. First thing I do when getting a new bike is put bigger rotors on the back. They get less hot, required less effort to use etc. Like you said, in downhill the front brake is effective when you really need to slow down. But for just maintaining speed and staying in control the rear wheel works fine since in DH you want to slow down as little as possible anyways! This video is more geared toward newer riders and helping them understand the basics of how brakes react so they won't be afraid to learn to use the front brake.
I haven't ridden a scooter in ages so can't say but it is similar to a motorcycle. When you use the front brake on your motorcycle the weight also shifts forward which transfers the majority of the braking power to the front of the bike. If you squeeze the brake hard enough on a sport bike the rear wheel can lift off the ground, at that point it's 100% useless for braking. The rear brake of a motorcycle is often used to maintain speed or create stability similar to how it's used on a mountain bike. So not exactly the same but similar.
Absolutely, oftentimes both brakes are in play. In the video I recommend isolating them to practice and get comfortable with how different each feels and where they work best. Over time using them together happens naturally.
@@doraratliff323 Braking is a pretty complex issue and can definitely be scary! If you are on loose dirt you don't want to try and stop quickly with the front brake, you will slide out, or go over the bars if there is lot's of traction etc. But in general, if you practice isolating using the front and back brakes on terrain that is comfortable for you, and then practice using them together you will become much more confident. There is also one other key component to braking called modulation. Modulation is how hard you squeeze and un-squeeze the brakes. On soft terrain you can only squeeze so hard before your wheel locks up. Keep up the practice (on easy terrain) and you will gain confidence for sure!
Good question, in most cases it's not to actually stop or slow down, it's to balance the bike properly and keep the tires planted on the ground at high speeds. Sometimes it's also just for style!
I know this is late but wanted to answer for posterity :) You probably have it dialed by now! Some situations call for one or the other but most times you will use both simultaneously so you are doing it proper. To get more comfortable braking, it's good to practice them one at a time and simultaneously. Think I'll make a video that goes over how to practice braking in more detail.
Absolutely the same, the weight still goes to the front of the bike, you just don't have the extra inches of cushion the suspension provides. Your arms take up the slack instead.
Wrong! Both brakes should be use together. Front provides 75/80% of the stopping power (depending on conditions) the rear the rest. This applies to most vehicles.
About to watch this video but I've always viewed the front brakes as dangerous. It's been a while since I've rode a bicycle but I've usually used front brakes while going uphill and used the rear brakes for everything else.
Late replay but I want to get in the habit of trying to answer back now that I'm getting the channel going again. The front wheel can definitely skid and when it does, you slightly release the front brake, just enough for the skid to stop. I have some exercises that can be used to practice this safely. Gonna add that to the list of upcoming videos.
OK, how about I pick people's brains on brakes? In terms of disc brake pad wear only, is it better to brake steadily down a slope so as to avoid going too fast, or to leave the braking till later in the descent and brake harder when necessary? Safety considerations aside (the rider will need to respond to their own ride), but just in terms of the brake pads, is this something anybody knows? PS, I am not especially good, I just wear brake pads out every month.
It's much like a car. If you ride your brakes all the time they wear out faster. Slow down when you know you need to. That may be because your speed is getting uncomfortably fast or because you see a corner coming and know you aren't going to be able to clean it at your current speed (just two examples). At the start you'll find yourself speeding up and braking often but as you learn to ride at higher speeds you need to do it much less frequently. In the beginning it will also gives you many opportunities to practice controlled braking. When you always drag brakes you never get a chance to learn. Having said that, if you need to drag to stay safe do so. Then practice braking on easier terrain where you don't have to worry about getting hurt. Eventually you'll be able to stop dragging.
get sintered brake pads and compatible rotors, they should last a lot longer and have a much more positive bite (bit can be noisier especially in the wet)
the demonstration was poorly represented. When you did the front tires, you placed all your weight on them. When you did the back tires, you put no weight on them. All you did was show that breaks are useless if the tire is not touching the ground. Ironically, you did prove why over-using the front breaks are a way to crash when you overwise would not have.
I’ve been scared of the front brake since it made me scorpion as a small kid and I’ve been riding bmx for a while, bought a Kona smoke and I wanna take the front brakes off
actualy i did im not using the rear brake anymore unless i want just litle slow down. or downhill.. but atmy regular route that im going from point A to B and back just to get groceries.. im not even using brakes anymore. xD
It definitely can if you use too much front brake. That's why I recommend finding an easy trail to practice on. Once you get the hang of using your arms to brace yourself and not over-braking, learning how to slow down with your front brakes will open up a whole new world of fun on your bike!
It's all about the modulation, how hard you squeeze the brakes. It can be easy starting out to get nervous and over squeeze the brakes and todays brakes are very good at stopping! It's good to practice modulating your brakes, once you get comfortable at it you can control your speed on very loose, steep terrain.
I wonder if this guy is a dentist looking to cash in on a bunch of broken teeth from people face planting their face in the ground going over handle bars lol.
Me watching this because I almost died on my bike yesterday
Ride safe 👍
Same.
Me today.. 🤣 i was riding Downhill And my rear brake got fucked 🤣
@@robotoxthepaperimagination Was riding downhill after heavy rain (recently started riding so no experience) and slid right through 1 small and 1 bigger junction. Thank the cars were 10m away. Rear brake would not engage and have never used the front one. Will surely do after this event though.
Me watching because my kid flew off the bike today
This is incredibly helpful. I'm actually just using my commuter bike, but have quite steep hills near my house. So it's helpful to know the proper braking for when I pick up lots of speed going downhill. Thanks!!!
Thank you! Just got in to the sport a few weeks ago. Haven ridden a bike in many years so this was a great refresher. Thanks a ton! Cheers
same I never know when to use front brake but I'm scared of going over the handle bars
Finally some very clear explanation about the how and when👌 It's time to practice now. Thank You!🤙🤙
Thank you for such a thorough explanation. Many other videos do not walk you through the basics in the way this does.
Much thanks, that is what I was hoping for.
MY HERO, WE NEED MORE OF THESE
THANK YOU!!! Very few if any cover this topic! It’s about time someone took the time to explain this. Appreciate it!
Thanks for the feedback. Hoping to make more of these videos in the near future.
3:40 wow this helped so much. I often nearly fly over the bars or lose control in turns cuz i use my fromt brake while turning
Very clear explanation! Thanks for this video !!
Thank you sir for this tip in braking...
Very helpful tip. I always use my rear brakes down our office parking building. Now I know that is not good. Thanks!!
Thanks for your great instructions. I rode bikes for over 20 years and this helped
Happy to hear that. I hope you enjoy the next 20 years of riding as well!
Thank you so much for saving my life!
I just use my front brakes as emergency brakes (probably only pressed once in my life) while gradually or rapidly slowing down with rear brakes.
Back in the early days of disc brakes on cars, just the front wheels got disc brakes. There was a reason for that. Nowadays, all four wheels get the disc brakes, but look at the wheels of any car, the front wheels will be dirtier. That's because the brake pads are getting worn quicker. There's a reason for that, too, and it's the same reason: the front wheels do most of the stopping. Bikes are no different in this regard.
Good comparison.
Thanks Mike! :-)
My pleasure Scott! I hope the remainder of your trip to the islands was fantastic!
Very helpful video! Thank you!
I hit both brakes on yesterday, I am sure equally simultaneously, I wasn't even going fast, on a flat road, and went head over heels, albeit not at any great speed. I hovered at 45 degrees for a moment and then tumbled to the side. But if I can topple over going at 5 mph it doesn't give much confidence going at high speed. Fork suspension was off, I think, I never have it on when on flat or going up.
I need to make another video about brake modulation. Grabbing the brakes too quickly can definitely result in what happened to you and it's easy to do. Thanks for the idea!
Thank you for this very helpful video. :)
I don't think I've ever used my front brake
Very helpful thanks for the video
Straight to the point love it !! Thank you
Thanks for the feedback. I'm replying late but now I'm starting the channel again any feedback is extremely helpful.
Your welcome and no worry ;)
Awesome! Great explanation. Thank you!
very helpful. thank you!
It's a misconception that we need larger front rotors. Brake fade is more of an issue in the rear because of a build up of heat from long braking. So actually having a larger rotor in the back can help to dissipate heat more quickly. Yes most of our stopping power comes from the front, but we use the rear more continuously, building up heat and decreasing the brakes effectiveness.
I agree with you about having a nice big rotor in the back as well. I usually put the same size on the front and back. The more stopping power the better. I was just explaining the reasoning behind why you see larger rotors in front. Although nowadays bike companies have it figured out and usually both the same size on both. Thanks for your comment.
Once upon a time i was riding downhill for the first time and used the front break and i had like the strongest brakes ever my life flashed through my eyes and i literary got
K. Oed for 2mins and that's the story of how i realised i have anxiety. Yep oh and also that i needed to learn how to use the brakes properly
Now, please learn to punctuate and spell properly. Your comment is difficult to understand.
gato ryak it really isnt but ok
@@gatoryak7332 i am writing a comment not a test you know
gato ryak the disrespect is real.
It's happened to all of us one time or another!
Thanks sir to the tips.
Thanks for this
Very helpful
Thought that was Laie Pt !! Born n raised in Kailua but live in Hood River, N most Oregon in the Columbia River Gorge whewe the riding is OFF DA HOOK !! Good specifics for braking right ! Been doing it all kukai for a long time ! Got a utube chnl -Garth Hardin, to see some of the trails n features in Post Canyon - couple miles outside town. Ride Jump or Wither !! Jeriatric Jump Club !! Mahalos !!
Yup, Laie Point. Not a bad place for a pretty background! I heard the riding is amazing out there but haven't had a chance to visit yet! Mahalo for the comment!
using front brake will also impact your cornering, less grip will be available to corner and it will make the bike straighten up more.
front to slow before a corner, rear to maintain or adjust speed through corners
"front to slow before a corner, rear to maintain or adjust speed through corners" is absolutely spot on. Braking is a bit different whether it's on loose dirt, in a corner, on off camber etc. Really need videos for how to practice it in different scenarios.
Awesome
Baking technique is much benefit to me. May i know if it can apply to downstair and long downstairs in the trail?
"giggle galore" made me laugh... I totally get what you mean
Hah, I felt silly saying if I'm honest with myself, I'm definitely do my fair share of giggling while riding :)
I’m here because I went flying over my handlebars
Big front smaller is good for up and down trails but I have a different thinking. I think if any it will have to be both the same if not bigger in the rear for long steep DH as we only use the front when we really need to slow down but we drag the rear most of the time and they do get hot if not hotter than the front?
Thanks for the comment. I agree and I love that nowadays bikes are shipping with big rotors front and back. First thing I do when getting a new bike is put bigger rotors on the back. They get less hot, required less effort to use etc. Like you said, in downhill the front brake is effective when you really need to slow down. But for just maintaining speed and staying in control the rear wheel works fine since in DH you want to slow down as little as possible anyways! This video is more geared toward newer riders and helping them understand the basics of how brakes react so they won't be afraid to learn to use the front brake.
Rear brake is also for steering .
So that's why my rear brakes is worn out in less than 2 months ..lol
Does this process also apply or can apply to Mopeds and Scooters?
I haven't ridden a scooter in ages so can't say but it is similar to a motorcycle. When you use the front brake on your motorcycle the weight also shifts forward which transfers the majority of the braking power to the front of the bike. If you squeeze the brake hard enough on a sport bike the rear wheel can lift off the ground, at that point it's 100% useless for braking. The rear brake of a motorcycle is often used to maintain speed or create stability similar to how it's used on a mountain bike. So not exactly the same but similar.
Hi. Can I brake both front/rear at the same time, even riding on road?
Absolutely, oftentimes both brakes are in play. In the video I recommend isolating them to practice and get comfortable with how different each feels and where they work best. Over time using them together happens naturally.
Yes
I did this Front and back at the same time and flipped. Then was told by a neighbor to use the back brace to slow down and the front to stop????
@@doraratliff323 Braking is a pretty complex issue and can definitely be scary! If you are on loose dirt you don't want to try and stop quickly with the front brake, you will slide out, or go over the bars if there is lot's of traction etc. But in general, if you practice isolating using the front and back brakes on terrain that is comfortable for you, and then practice using them together you will become much more confident.
There is also one other key component to braking called modulation. Modulation is how hard you squeeze and un-squeeze the brakes. On soft terrain you can only squeeze so hard before your wheel locks up. Keep up the practice (on easy terrain) and you will gain confidence for sure!
modulation your brake is important
I have seen some videos of MTbikers over the corners using their feet to stop instead. How this makes a difference?
Good question, in most cases it's not to actually stop or slow down, it's to balance the bike properly and keep the tires planted on the ground at high speeds. Sometimes it's also just for style!
I’ve definitely only ever used my back break
Last time i was braking with my front brakes whule standing up i ended up flying over the bars into a ditch 😂
i got used to use both brakes in same time..! is it rwong to do that? shall i try to adapt to use only 1 when is needed ?
I know this is late but wanted to answer for posterity :) You probably have it dialed by now! Some situations call for one or the other but most times you will use both simultaneously so you are doing it proper. To get more comfortable braking, it's good to practice them one at a time and simultaneously. Think I'll make a video that goes over how to practice braking in more detail.
Does it work the same for smaller rigid forks?
Absolutely the same, the weight still goes to the front of the bike, you just don't have the extra inches of cushion the suspension provides. Your arms take up the slack instead.
2024 anyone?
Yup
Wrong! Both brakes should be use together. Front provides 75/80% of the stopping power (depending on conditions) the rear the rest. This applies to most vehicles.
About to watch this video but I've always viewed the front brakes as dangerous. It's been a while since I've rode a bicycle but I've usually used front brakes while going uphill and used the rear brakes for everything else.
What happens when you use your front brake and your front wheel starts to skid?
Bike crashes are from skidding rear wheels. T
I don't think the front will skids.. It's always the rear wheels that skids that is why most b
Late replay but I want to get in the habit of trying to answer back now that I'm getting the channel going again. The front wheel can definitely skid and when it does, you slightly release the front brake, just enough for the skid to stop. I have some exercises that can be used to practice this safely. Gonna add that to the list of upcoming videos.
Is your bike a Bronson?
The hardtail is a Stanton Switchback TI. The full suspension is an Evil Following.
You might wanna pump a bit more air in your suspension
OK, how about I pick people's brains on brakes? In terms of disc brake pad wear only, is it better to brake steadily down a slope so as to avoid going too fast, or to leave the braking till later in the descent and brake harder when necessary? Safety considerations aside (the rider will need to respond to their own ride), but just in terms of the brake pads, is this something anybody knows? PS, I am not especially good, I just wear brake pads out every month.
It's much like a car. If you ride your brakes all the time they wear out faster. Slow down when you know you need to. That may be because your speed is getting uncomfortably fast or because you see a corner coming and know you aren't going to be able to clean it at your current speed (just two examples). At the start you'll find yourself speeding up and braking often but as you learn to ride at higher speeds you need to do it much less frequently. In the beginning it will also gives you many opportunities to practice controlled braking. When you always drag brakes you never get a chance to learn.
Having said that, if you need to drag to stay safe do so. Then practice braking on easier terrain where you don't have to worry about getting hurt. Eventually you'll be able to stop dragging.
get sintered brake pads and compatible rotors, they should last a lot longer and have a much more positive bite (bit can be noisier especially in the wet)
@@ByronWWW Not when you earn $200 a month, sorry. Thanks for thinking of me.
@@2WHLHI Thanks, sorry for late reply, I never really come on YT these days and don't set notifications.
I was told from a very young age to never use front brakes that they cause more harm than good so I never have lol
the demonstration was poorly represented. When you did the front tires, you placed all your weight on them. When you did the back tires, you put no weight on them. All you did was show that breaks are useless if the tire is not touching the ground. Ironically, you did prove why over-using the front breaks are a way to crash when you overwise would not have.
I’ve been scared of the front brake since it made me scorpion as a small kid and I’ve been riding bmx for a while, bought a Kona smoke and I wanna take the front brakes off
Im ussing only rear brake but after today i really want learn to use the front brake 🤣
Did you ever learn to use the front brake? :)
actualy i did im not using the rear brake anymore unless i want just litle slow down. or downhill.. but atmy regular route that im going from point A to B and back just to get groceries.. im not even using brakes anymore. xD
@@robotoxthepaperimagination That's awesome! Bikes become so much more fun once you get comfortable enough to use the brakes only when necessary!
Jeepers I thought using your front brake just shot you over your handle bars.
Same
It definitely can if you use too much front brake. That's why I recommend finding an easy trail to practice on. Once you get the hang of using your arms to brace yourself and not over-braking, learning how to slow down with your front brakes will open up a whole new world of fun on your bike!
If your about to go in a accident use your back brakes if you use front it will throw you off the bike head on
If you use the front brake, your bike will flip over!
If you use both brakes together you will flip too. I know
It's all about the modulation, how hard you squeeze the brakes. It can be easy starting out to get nervous and over squeeze the brakes and todays brakes are very good at stopping! It's good to practice modulating your brakes, once you get comfortable at it you can control your speed on very loose, steep terrain.
I wonder if this guy is a dentist looking to cash in on a bunch of broken teeth from people face planting their face in the ground going over handle bars lol.
Haha, nope. No direct correlation to face planting and my income :)
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